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WILLIAM GREEN JR: All right today, I
would like to do a Kinetic Monte Carlo example with you in class
and, also, talk a little bit about the connection
between the master equations, master equation solution,
the normal kinetic equations we use, and the--
how you handle these trajectories,
you'll get how to Kinetic Monte Carlo.
All right, so let's just pick a simple example.
As we mentioned, in the real world,
it's pretty easy for these examples
to get completely out of hand, because the number
of possible states can be so gigantic.
Let's all do a really super, super simple one here.
To try to keep that underhand, not worry about that.
When you do the real problems, that will be a major issue--
is if he number of states get out of hand.
So the simple example I'm gonna do
is a real one from inside your body.
So inside your body, you have a thing
called low density lipoprotein.
And there's little vesicles of fat, lipids, inside your body,
actually, in your blood vessels.
And these are bad.
If you go to the doctor, they measure your LDL and your HDL.
And if your LDL number is too high
then they yell at you for eating too much fat food.
And they make you exercise and stuff like that.
This has happened to me, so I know.
And there's a reason for this, is because the LDL is
susceptible to oxidation.
And if too many of those lipid molecules peroxidize,
it causes inflammation in your blood vessels.
And that can cause your blood vessels
to constrict and stuff that eventually
can lead to heart attacks.
And so that's why your doctor is alarmed
if you have too much LDL, because you have
a lot more material available that could be oxidized,
that could kill you.
There's actually a really complicated, interesting story
about what vitamin E does in the LDL,
and how it interacts with vitamin C.
And if you take my kinetics class,
I'll tell you about that.
But we'll do the simplest case now.
There's no vitamin E, there's nobody Vitamin C. You just have
some lipid, and it's oxidizing.
And let's model what's happening.
So what you have is a little bubble of fat.
So out here is water.
And here's my fat which I'll politely call lipid.
That sounds like not quite as fat, if you call it lipid,
slimy.
And the lipid is susceptible to attack by this reaction.
So if I have some peroxy radical,
and I have the lipid molecules, which are some hydrocarbon,
they can react and make peroxide plus a radical.
And in your blood vessels, if you're not
under the water or being killed, you have a lot of oxygen.
And so the carbon set of radicals
you form immediately react with oxygen
to make the peroxy radical back.
And so the net process--
we can kind of combine these steps,
because this is super fast.
So it's like a microsecond times scale.
For that to happen in your body, because the oxygen
concentration is so high in the blood.
And so this reaction is really roo, plus RAH, plus O2,
to rooh, plus roo.
So the radical is just catalyzing
the oxidation of your lipid into the peroxide.
When this level gets too high, then your body will detect it.
There's an inflation, and you'll have all kinds of trouble.
OK, so we like to understand this.
Now, these vesicles are very small,
so there's a probability you might
have only a very, very, small number of radicals in there.
Also, your body has a lot of antioxidants
in it, like vitamin C and vitamin E and some other ones
too.
And the antioxidants are trying to get rid of radicals.
So the number of radicals you'd expect the concentration--
background concentration is very tiny.
And because of that, this is tiny
and the concentration is tiny.
So the concentration times the volume might also be tiny.
So the total number of radicals might be very, very small.
And so therefore, you might need to worry
about the stochastic kinetics being
different than the continuum kinetics.
OK, so that's the idea.
Now, on top of that, you also have a lot
of these vesicles in your body.
So you might be able to somehow work up some continuum model,
treat them all.
And in fact, I think that's what people did originally, is
they just said well, let's take the total amount of LDL you
got in your body and do a continuum model.
But as you will see, it's different,
because the fact that the vesicles are small,
each one might only have, say, one radical in it.
And that will actually behave quite differently than
if you had a lot of radicals.
All right so, this is the kinetics,
and the oxygen is almost always high concentration,
so I'm not going to worry about that.
And I'm going to assume that we're not going let your lipid
oxidize so much that the amount of lipid changes significantly.
So let's just, for now, we can just ignore this.
OK, maybe later we might go back and figure out
how you'd account for the fact that these cells are
being consumed, which would change the rates a little bit.
So we'll just assume that concentration is constant.
So you have a tiny amount of radicals.
And if you had the radicals in your vesicle,
they're creating roh.
And you see, the ro is catalytic.
And so what we're gonna see is basically
D. If you did it in classical kinetics,
you'd write DR dt this is basically
equals some constant times roo.
And then, I lumped these concentrations
into this constant.
[INAUDIBLE] That all right?
All right, so that's the import process.
We also have another important process,
is that if you get two radicals in there,
and they bump into each other, they can kill each other off.
So two peroxy radicals can combine and make
stable molecules.
And we don't care what stable molecules they really are.
What's important is that they get rid of the radicals,
because the radicals are catalyzing
the unfavorable oxidation.
In this program I started writing, I called this k3.
This one is k4, reaction four.
There's two other things happening.
Out here, I had some peroxy radicals.
They're floating around the water.
Some of them might go into my lipid.
I'll call that process K1.
There's some time constant, which new radicals arrive.
And then, I also have the possibility
these guys could diffuse out.
So I call that k2.
And k1, I'll just treat as a constant.
So as soon as a background concentration radicals
that's constant, and so this is a sum-- every 10 seconds
or something, a radical arrives in a vesicle.
And this will depend on the concentration,
the number of ro's.
So the more you have inside here, the faster
the rate which they go out.
That all right?
And this just mass transfer.
But from the point of view of the equations,
it doesn't care if it's mass transfer or chemical reaction.
They arrive in the same way.
All right, so that's the system.
And so let's look at the--
I should try to write the MATLAB code for this.
And maybe, we can try to finish this together in class.
So I have four processes--
arrival of new radical, diffusion
of the radical and the vesicle, reaction
to make the peroxide, and self-destruction
of the radicals.
And I wrote down what each of these does.
So the first one increases the number of radicals by one.
The second one gets rid of a radical
because it's diffused away.
The third one increases the amount of peroxide.
The last one gets rid of two radicals.
So we're going to try to compute a trajectory by the Kinetic
Monte Carlo method.
And trajectory is going to be some time
points, the number of radicals at that time
point, the number of peroxides I have at that time point.
And as I run, I'm going to get many, many, different time
points.
And each one will have a different number of radicals
or a different number of peroxides.
And that's what I want to compute.
And then, at the end, after I have trajectories like that,
big tables of these things, I want to somehow put it together
to figure out on average what happened or something,
try to understand it.
And so let's see, so my inputs are the initial numbers
of radicals and peroxides in the vesicle, the vector of rate
coefficients, the max amount of time I want
to run the trajectory for--
not clock time, but time in the simulation.
So it's like how many microseconds or milliseconds
or seconds I look at my lipid protein
and see what it's doing.
And the maximum number of steps, because I
don't want to get a trajectory list that's
10 to the ninth long, because over a while, my memory,
my computer would cause me trouble.
So here they are, all the setups.
Everything is fine so far.
So here's the loop.
So the outermost loop is just to keep track of how many steps
we have, which is going to be the number of entries we
have in the trajectory table.
And the second one is really--
what we care about-- is well, the time
is less than the maximum time of the simulation.
First, we want to figure out the time [INAUDIBLE]
until something happens.
So following Joe Scott's notes, we
compute this quantity called A, which
is the sum of all the rates.
And that's equal to the rate of the first process.
And then, they're in the second process, which depends
on the number of radicals.
And the rate of the third process
all depends on the radicals.
And the rate of the fourth process,
which is a number radicals times the number of radicals
minus one.
Now k4 has to have units of per second.
But bi-molecular rates would normally have units of volume
per second, per mole even--
volume is per molecule per second.
And so that k4 has to really be a normal kind
of k divided by the volume.
And we're going to have to figure out what
to do about that in a minute.
And then, we do the formula to get the--
Gillespie's formula for how to sample
from an exponential decay, as good as that is.
So Gillespie thinks that the probability that something
is going to happen, or the probability, the time,
until the next thing happens is going as e
to the negative a times t.
So we're trying to sample from e to the negative, a, t.
And that's what that crazy log of the random number is doing--
it's sampling from that distribution.
And so we get a [INAUDIBLE] that how long we've
waited from the time the last thing happened
until the next thing happened.
And now, we have to figure what happened.
So there's four different processes
that could have happened.
A radical could have arrived.
A radical could have left.
A radical could have reacted with one of my hydrocarbon
molecules, with one of my lipids,
or the two radicals could have killed each other.
So we list these guys out.
A is the sum of all those processes.
P1 is the probability that the first process happened,
that a new radical arrives.
So it's going to be the k for the first step, divided by a.
That one was zero water, because it's
subterfuging it from outside.
So it's just a k of 1.
Probably the second step is k2 times n rad.
That's the rate of the second step divided by the total rate
of all the processes.
And I'm going to add that onto p1
to make a vector of possible things that could happen.
So I'm picking a random number from zero to one.
And I want to make a little bar.
Here's the probability the first process happened.
And here's the probability that the second process happened.
And here's the probability the third process happened.
And here's the probability the fourth process happened.
I know that these guys have to add up to one,
because I computed that something happened.
And so I'm going to try to compare my random number
from zero to one to these breaks and sort it out into these four
possibilities, and then figure out which thing happened.
OK, so this is the second step of Gillespie's algorithm.
All right, so maybe you guys can help me finish the code here.
If you want to go to Broadway in Chicago, you can go there.
So I need to write the next one.
So p3 is equal p2 plus what?
So step three is--
sorry?
Say again.
AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]
WILLIAM GREEN JR: All right, that's enough, right?
So now, I get to choose a random number,
so, say, x is equal to rand.
And then, I have to say if x is less than p1, than something.
What's it gonna be?
Then step number one happened.
So that means that n rad is equal to n rad plus one,
so one radical transported in.
If x is less than p2--
[INAUDIBLE] Is that good?
AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]
WILLIAM GREEN JR: [INAUDIBLE] space.
Thank you.
What happens here?
So this is b, n rad is equal to n rad minus one?
AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]
WILLIAM GREEN JR: I think they also take care of that, right?
Is this right?
X is less than p3, than nroh.
Else and rand.
Does that look right?
Do I need an end?
AUDIENCE: Semi-colon.
WILLIAM GREEN JR: Semi-colon.
Semi-colon, thank you.
That would be really bad.
All right, yes, Ziggy?
AUDIENCE: So in the first problem,
you have step size longer than that [INAUDIBLE] size.
WILLIAM GREEN JR: So that's not good.
It should be less than.
Thank you.
Any more bugs?
AUDIENCE: I think you need spaces after the brackets.
WILLIAM GREEN JR: Spaces after the brackets-- where?
Is that here?
AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]
WILLIAM GREEN JR: [INAUDIBLE] separate line.
AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]
WILLIAM GREEN JR: I can do that.
It's easier to read anyway.
So that's good.
I definitely agree with that.
[INTERPOSING VOICES]
WILLIAM GREEN JR: Is that right?
AUDIENCE: Yeah.
WILLIAM GREEN JR: You like this?
With all these [INAUDIBLE] sets, I don't need any n's, is
that right?
[INAUDIBLE] after the other like that, no problem.
Just one end at the end.
[INTERPOSING VOICES]
WILLIAM GREEN JR: That's good.
All right, so we're OK with this?
We think this is going to work?
AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]
[INTERPOSING VOICES]
WILLIAM GREEN JR: All right, so now,
we've computed what's going to happen.
Now, we need to store results somehow.
So I'm gonna say trajectory is equal to--
or trajectory of steps--
so step was zeros.
Now, step is one.
[INAUDIBLE] step is one, to start with.
[INTERPOSING VOICES]
WILLIAM GREEN JR: Does this look good?
They had only commas, is that right?
No commas?
AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]
WILLIAM GREEN JR: All right, one step is zero.
I already have the first line filled in here.
[INTERPOSING VOICES]
WILLIAM GREEN JR: Is that good?
We'll see.
I don't know if it's OK or not, but I'll believe you.
All right, so right now, we have a program
that maybe or maybe not might actually compute something.
Is that right?
OK, now, we to figure out--
are we going to run this program?
So we need an initial.
So any suggestions?
[INTERPOSING VOICES]
WILLIAM GREEN JR: All right, so let's do an initial--
how about n rad is equal to 1 and nroh is equal to 0.
Is that OK?
We're cool with that?
And how about k?
So we need a vector of k's.
Yup?
AUDIENCE: For your line 18, I think
that's just the [INAUDIBLE]
WILLIAM GREEN JR: Yes, thank you.
Yes?
All right, so let's think about what's reasonable for the k's.
So I think we can make the k for this stuff diffusing
in very, very small.
So I don't know--
[INAUDIBLE] make a small, 1e minus 5 something.
Isn't that small-- only once an hour.
You think it might be a little too small?
And then, the next one is how fast do things diffuse out?
Now, what's that going to physically depend on?
It should be something like the diffusion.
Diffusion [INAUDIBLE] get back to the wall,
back to the outside.
So it should be--
by one radical in here, what's the average time for it
to diffuse back out?
Any ideas?
So if it does, say, just a random walk, maybe--
then you say that delta x squared is like d times tt.
OK, so delta x squared, maybe make
this like the radius of our lipid vesicle,
so that delta t is like r squared over d.
Seems like a reasonable scaling.
And we actually want to rate, so we want the other way around.
So k2 is going to be something like d over r squared.
All right, so we need to pick a size of our LDL vesicles.
I don't actually know what they are.
I used to know this, but I don't remember.
Anybody want to make a guess, how
big is a vesicle inside your blood vessel?
[INTERPOSING VOICES]
AUDIENCE: Micron.
WILLIAM GREEN JR: Micron, OK.
So let's pick a mircron.
So let's say r is equal to 10 to the minus 6 meters.
What's a diffusion constant in liquid phase?
[INAUDIBLE]
AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]
WILLIAM GREEN JR: [INAUDIBLE] meter squared per second.
OK, so feasible.
[INTERPOSING VOICES]
WILLIAM GREEN JR: Anybody know if it's meter squared
or centimeter squared?
What?
[INTERPOSING VOICES]
WILLIAM GREEN JR: You guys did the one of the drug.
What was the drugs one?
Was it 10 to the minus 6, meter squared or centimeter squared?
[INTERPOSING VOICES]
WILLIAM GREEN JR: Meters squared.
OK, so for a light, smaller molecule, it's reasonable.
So this number should be something like 10
to the minus 5, divided by 10 to the minus 12,
so something like 10 to the 7.
1, 8, and 7.
All right, now for the reaction, roo plus RH,
we can go look it up on the [INAUDIBLE]..
They'll have a list of reactions like that.
For now, let's just guess.
And so let's say that k3--
k of roo plus rh--
these guys typically have 8 factors of 10
to the eighth leaders per mole second.
And they have ea's, about 15--
15 k cals per mole over rt.
OK so now, we need to figure out how to turn this
into the k3 we want.
Now, the k3 we want is really--
K3 is like this--
times the concentration of the rh,
because we took the rh out of the problem,
because we want this to have units of per second.
Is that right?
And this is in units of volume per meters
cubed per mole second.
And this would be moles per meter cubed.
And so it's per second, which looks right.
OK so now, we need to have--
I understand we have a calculator?
We can try to calculate this number for room temperature.
And this does not mean room temperature is r time t--
actually for body temperature.
And the concentration of hydrocarbon--
it's actually the number of h's, because every h can
be attacked in a hydrocarbon.
So you typically have densities of 0.8 grams
per centimeter cubed.
It's for organic.
And you typically have two h atoms
per 14 grams of ch2 groups, because you only
see h2 groups in there.
S two h atoms.
And then, if we're going to try to keep moles here,
we need 6 times 10 to the 23rd atoms per mole.
All right, and this is centimeters cubed,
but this one has leaders, so I need 10
to the 3 centimeters cubed [INAUDIBLE]..
So again, verifying what your high school teacher taught you,
that the first thing is to learn units.
[INAUDIBLE]
So we take all these numbers.
This is the RH, and this is the k.
And we can multiply them all together,
and we should get something reasonable, maybe.
And since we have MATLAB we can make it do it for us.
So let's just do that.
So I think it's--
you have to help me, I can't read this very well.
1ea star exponential, [INAUDIBLE] 15,000,
slash 1.987 times-- what's body temperature?
40ec you told me?
So it's 310 Kelvin maybe--
times all these numbers, 0.8 times 2.
Divide by 10 to the 23rd.
More factors in there.
OK, so 5 times 10 to the minus 25.
We think we got this right?
AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]
WILLIAM GREEN JR: But I want to get moles,
because I have this in moles--
it's [INAUDIBLE].
Three times mole [INAUDIBLE] This
is really mole of [INAUDIBLE] atoms.
OK, so we'll try and see what happens.
So 5 times 7 minus 25.
It does seem pretty small, so we have a problem.
And then the last reaction--
those reactions are typically 10 to the fifth, liters per mole
second.
This is for a recombination of peroxy radicals.
So now, we have to get rid of the volume unit.
This is for roo--
sorry, [INAUDIBLE] Yeah?
Yes, question?
AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]
WILLIAM GREEN JR: One mole per [INAUDIBLE]..
Very good-- that's right, because [INAUDIBLE] that's
just two atoms.
It's actually two moles.
Yes?
That would change the [INAUDIBLE]
Only a factor of 10 to the 23rd.
So we'll get back.
Thank you.
Area 0.3, somewhere like it.
OK, so now let's go do the same thing
with this one, ro plus roo.
So typically these reactions, the normal way they're written
are numbers that are about 10 to 5th meters per mole second,
for two radicals recombining.
So now, I need to figure out how can I change the volume here.
And the thing that is key is that I know the volume
of this lipid particle.
So what I really want is this.
My k4 is going to be equal to normal k, divided
by the volume of the reactor, because the rate we
would write normally, which would be droodt--
it would be like negative 2k roo plus roo,
times the moles, the concentration of roo squared.
This how we would normally write it.
And so we have to have the--
this unit is all right.
So this is the volume of the reactor.
So we were having nroo over v, so we
might need Avogadro's number over here, because the rate
here is in moles.
But now, we are going to do single molecules.
Yeah?
AUDIENCE: Do you ever actually use k4 in calculations?
WILLIAM GREEN JR: Yeah, for a.
I think an a is there.
Good question.
All right, so we think this should
be like a volume per molecule or something
like that, for one molecule.
So this should be k4, should be 10
to the 5th, meters per mole second,
divided by 4/3 pi r cubed.
And then, we need a mole--
[INAUDIBLE] 23rd molecules.
And we're gonna have to make sure
that the leaders and these guys match up,
which is not going to be so easy.
You might use 10 to the minus 6 meters.
This is going to be meters cubed,
so I need 10 to the 3 liters per liter cubed.
And I think that will all work out to be per second.
So let's try it.
So this would be 10 to the 5th over 4/3 pi is about 4--
10 to the negative 18, 6 times 10 to the 23rd.
So all the big ones cancel each other out, is a 1 over 24.
Oh, I lost it.
That's bad.
OK, so one over 24,000.
It's a lot easier to do with a lot of people
checking your work.
All right, so four times n minus 5.
So this is what we think k is.
Anything else we need.
We need a t-max, you want to guess the time?
You want to wait?
The time for the main reaction, the time constant
is like seconds, right?
So if we made 1,000 seconds, a lot of stuff
is going to happen, right?
So maybe 1,000 seconds will be OK for t-max.
So let's try this all.
Where's the main function.
The main function--
[INAUDIBLE] my n initial was simple 1, 0.
And k, which was decided was 1e minus 5, [INAUDIBLE],, 2.3, 4e,
25.
Now, if you just look at these rates for a second,
I think you can see a problem we're going to have.
How many steps are we going to do?
I don't know.
10,000.
The time scales here--
this 27 is pretty fast.
So the stuff is going to diffuse out of there,
because it's going to disappear, and then nothing
is gonna happen.
Yeah?
AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]
WILLIAM GREEN JR: Centimeters squared, I thought so, yeah.
Thank you, so we think this is 10 to the minus 9.
So this is actually [INAUDIBLE] lower, is that right?
We're still gonna have a problem.
But it's not quite bad [INAUDIBLE] problem.
So let's fix that.
Um, so I think our problem is that the 1e minus 5
is actually too slow.
So radicals are diffusing in from outside at some rate,
and it's got to be a rate so that if there
was no reaction, basically, the concentrations of the stuff
here and here might be about the same, same order of magnitude,
of the stuff that dissolved in the water, dissolved
in the lipid.
Maybe a couple of [INAUDIBLE] are different,
but not a million times different.
And so we need to have the rate of this stuff coming in
to be something reasonable, that's
going to be consistent with having a chance of having
some radical in there.
So now we to guess what we think the real outside world
radical concentration is.
So maybe-- I don't know, what?
1e minus 10 moles per liter?
1e minus 6 moles per liter?
I don't know.
Any biologists here?
Do you know how many free radicals you have in your body?
AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]
WILLIAM GREEN JR: They can measure it, right?
So it can't be zero.
People talk about reactive oxygen species
in your body, ROS.
Yes, so I don't know what it is, 10 to the minus 6, maybe--
10 to the minus 8.
So we had the number for--
1e3 e3 is for going out from the--
we have that rate leaving is 1e3 per second times the number
in there divided by the volume, really.
Well, it's times the number, that's the rate that's leaving.
But we would think of this as a k.
I don't know how to think of this, actually.
But for sure, the volume matters.
So in order for us to compute this, we use the r squared.
Now, another way you look at this is say well,
is diffusion times the gradient in the concentration?
AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]
WILLIAM GREEN JR: [INAUDIBLE]
Well, it's OK.
They would live in their little tiny thing for a millisecond,
and then they diffuse out.
I think that actually sounds very reasonable.
It's only a micron.
It's a very tiny, little thing.
So the question is how do we complete the reverse?
So if we have stuff outside, and suppose we didn't have anything
inside, we'd have some rate of diffusion of the radical
from the outside coming in.
How do we think about it?
It's really got to be the inverse of this.
So if we think the time constant is
10 to the minus 3-- a millisecond to come out,
it's probably about a millisecond to come in.
I don't know.
You think it's got to maintain whatever initial concentration
we put there, one per volume, then
it's got to be about the same.
So this can't be as tiny as 10 to the minus 5.
So if we take the average concentration as one,
then this should 10 to the 3, I think.
If we think the average concentration is 10,
then it should be 10 to the 4.
If we think the average concentration this 100,
then it should be 10 to the five.
So let's try 10 to the 3.
So every millisecond, something comes in or goes out,
some radical comes in and out.
You guys buy this?
Would you defend this to your boss?
You can blame it on Professor Green.
All right, here goes nothing.
Do you think it's going to work?
[LAUGHTER]
Aww, aww, line 29.
What's wrong?
What's wrong with that?
Parentheses off?
AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]
WILLIAM GREEN JR: Maybe I didn't save the latest version,
let's try again.
Ah, I didn't say the latest version.
That's what it is.
Now, here goes nothing.
That [INAUDIBLE] help.
Leave me alone.
All right, trajectory, the first column
is the times, so it uses the x-axis.
And the last column is the oxidation, the products.
So let's see if anything peroxidized or not.
[LAUGHTER]
[INTERPOSING VOICES]
WILLIAM GREEN JR: Oh, it should have all the zeros, right?
So how can we do it when we [INAUDIBLE] that way.
That's really weird.
Try it again.
[INTERPOSING VOICES]
WILLIAM GREEN JR: The time is 2 plus tau.
AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE].
WILLIAM GREEN JR: I guess if you look at the [INAUDIBLE] So
trajectory--
so it only [INAUDIBLE] 2 points.
That's why it looks like that.
I don't know why it doesn't show the zeros.
Maybe they'll show on top of the origin there.
So why did it only give us two points?
AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]
WILLIAM GREEN JR: Yeah, also--
seems like a 307 oxidations, but why 307 all of a sudden?
That makes no sense, right--
because it should be one at a time.
I should be seeing one at a time coming in.
AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]
WILLIAM GREEN JR: Yes, it's very worrying.
I agree, so we have a bug.
So where is our bug.
This is where I need your help.
OK guys, let's figure out why didn't this work.
So I'm storing-- by stepping the steps, they're going up.
Ah, I know what's wrong.
I need this step thing inside the loop here.
So all of this--
so let's see if I can explain this.
I'm storing them according to the step,
but right now, the wild loop is just zipping around,
and then, it ends at the step and just gets one.
So I'd rather start again.
It's gonna work this time?
You guys don't have any faith.
If people say that scientists and engineers don't
have any faith, I think we have more faith than anybody else.
We believe stuff like this is going to work.
It's doing something now.
Who knows what?
[INTERPOSING VOICES]
WILLIAM GREEN JR: Yup?
AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE] time until your arrival
time, 7:15 [INAUDIBLE]
WILLIAM GREEN JR: [INAUDIBLE] is, not good, right?
AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]
WILLIAM GREEN JR: Yeah, it's a very good point.
I have a nested loop that should not be, right?
AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE] You don't necessarily
want to sample every arrival time.
You might want to sample [INAUDIBLE]
So you might want to have two.
You don't necessarily want to [INAUDIBLE] every single--
WILLIAM GREEN JR: Yes, yes, I agree.
AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]
WILLIAM GREEN JR: OK, so let's see how we can fix this.
So we really want-- is it really a jump out?
If the number of steps gets too large,
we just want to jump out, so we want to go to?
What do you think?
[INTERPOSING VOICES]
WILLIAM GREEN JR: Break, that's what we want.
So while is not the correct thing to do here.
AUDIENCE: Why would t [INAUDIBLE]..
WILLIAM GREEN JR: So we're stepping time,
every time we'll do the steps.
And we just want a break.
[INAUDIBLE] step greater than max steps.
AUDIENCE: Why don't you do it with a while loop [INAUDIBLE]
WILLIAM GREEN JR: What happens if you
do a wild loop like that?
Do you guys know?
Does it work?
[INTERPOSING VOICES]
WILLIAM GREEN JR: It'll work.
OK, that's easy.
Double and-- I tired it with and this morning.
It didn't work, so that's why I stopped doing it.
Stuff like that will kill you, doesn't it?
All right, we gotta get rid of one of the ends at the end.
AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]
WILLIAM GREEN JR: I think it's likely to cause a problem,
why it's taking 10 million years.
So really, is there a reason it should be nested loop, right?
Yes.
AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]
WILLIAM GREEN JR: All right, try again.
[INTERPOSING VOICES]
WILLIAM GREEN JR: That's too fast.
Try that again.
That's not good.
See we have a [INAUDIBLE] here.
AUDIENCE: Oh no.
WILLIAM GREEN JR: Oh, jumps to one.
That doesn't look very good.
Try that again.
Boom.
AUDIENCE: Oh!
WILLIAM GREEN JR: Oh, that was pretty interesting, so
much more like what you expect, so that at some time steps,
I have one, two, three, or four, or five radicals
in this vesicle.
I only have one time separate because of the nine.
So I think this actually looks like what I expect.
I should see it jumping up and down, stuff goes in and out,
sometimes it reacts, sometimes it goes away.
So this one is correct.
I don't know what's happened with the other one.
So I'll have to figure out what's
wrong with that equation.
All right, we're almost done time.
Well, I want to talk about for just one minute is--
what are we gonna do after we have this working?
So we get this working, we have the trajectory,
we really want to run 10,000 trajectories,
because all we're doing is sampling from the probability,
just the distribution of time.
So we need to run zillions of them.
So this whole thing we just wrote
would be inside a loop that runs a lot of different cases,
because every time you run this, because the random number,
you're going to get a different trajectory.
And what you care about is some kind of average behavior.
Or you might want to know what's the percentage
chance that I'm going to have [INAUDIBLE] oxidized and die?
So you might say I want to count what
fraction of the trajectories end up
with number of peroxide greater than some number, that
means I'm dead.
And if that probability is too high,
then I know I'm in big trouble.
So that'd be one possible thing.
You might have whatever objective function you want,
but you need to run a lot to get good statistics for anything.
So you're gonna have to embed this whole calculation
inside a loop, and then, you're going
to get a zillion of these trajectories out.
And you figure out how are you going to analyze them in order
to figure out what you want?
So one way is if you could add the trajectories up--
so I have a trajectory--
suppose I have the number roh's versus time.
And I do it once, and I have none.
Then I have one, and then I have two, and then, I wait longer,
and I get three.
And then, I wait longer, I get four.
Whatever, something like that.
That's what it really looks like for one trajectory.
And then, the next time I run it,
it starts in a slightly different time.
And this time it runs longer before something else happens.
And then, it gets here, and then maybe, it goes over here.
And I have a lot of them like that.
I have 10,000 trajectories, all look like that.
So if I could add them, then I can do an average,
to get an average trajectory, so that
would be one possible thing.
Or I might want to histogram, so I might pick one time point.
So like after 20 minutes, I want a histogram
of what this looks like here or here.
One of them has four peroxides, and one of them
has five peroxides.
And then the other 9,999--
some of the three, some of the whatever.
Yes, question?
AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]
you're not gonna get the same time points--
WILLIAM GREEN JR: You're not going to get the same time
points, that's right.
So see the first time it stopped,
the first time point was here, the second time, the first time
point was here.
And they'll all be different.
So one is I was asking a few of the students
before the class started, there's
got to be a program in MATLAB that
will let you generate these kind of plots with the flat lines.
Or even a linear interpolation would be OK too.
But you need to have some way to add them up
as continuous functions, because they all
have different time points.
So that's one practical issue about it,
because you want to pick some special time you care about,
and you want to know what does the trajectory say,
what does this trajectory say?
But you actually only have numbers here,
just really you have that number and this number
and this number.
That's all you got.
Yeah?
AUDIENCE: You can plot like a-- an out of time
to get to n amount of roh's and then, that would be [INAUDIBLE]
WILLIAM GREEN JR: OK, so then you plot [INAUDIBLE]
versus time instead, that's right.
So that you just think of what you want.
You're going to have all this trajectory information.
And then you need to figure out what do you want, and then,
what are you going to plot?
And what are you trying to compute?
And you might want to compute not only the number
but the standard deviation of that number, because you don't
know how many trajectories you have
to run before the center of deviation
is narrow enough that you'll be confident with it.
So this is a general problem with this whole approach--
is that what you're getting out are just
samples of things that happen.
It's just like if you were doing a Monte Carlo,
and you just got some of the energy values
from the hydrogen peroxide calculation you guys did,
you have 47 of those energy values.
What are you going to do with that?
So you have to figure out, how are
you going to take the [INAUDIBLE]
of this calculation.
It's sampling from the real solution, so it should be OK.
But what is it?
How are you going to handle that and use it as a means--
it's sort of like as if you ran a zillion experiments,
and then, what would you do with all that data?
So that's like issue number one.
Now alternatively, you can rewrite this as the master
equation and solve it as an ODE, in which case,
you'll get explicitly p of each of these ends.
So n rad, nroh time--
it would be continuous in principle,
but actually, the ODE solver gives you
out random time points also.
So you get a similar kind of thing out from the ODE solver,
except it'll give you probability
for every possible range of these guys.
So if you have one radical, two radicals, three radicals, four
radical, fie radicals, and number of peroxides
from one to 1,000, or however many peroxides you get,
you're going to get numbers.
So you have all these numbers, all these probabilities,
at different times.
Again, what are you going to do with that?
So one thing people do a lot is they would plot, say,
the number of roh's versus time.
So at different time points, compute the average
over all your trajectories.
Were with, if you had this solution,
you can compute that as nrooh, p, nrooh.
So like this, you're gonna have some kind of average
if you do it that way.
And either one are fine, but you have to think of what you want,
and then in both cases, you'll probably be
interested in the dispersion.
So you [INAUDIBLE] want to worry about the n squared too.
We'll talk more about this on Monday.
All right and I posted a homework problem
that was given last year about this, for Kinetic Monte
Carlo for catalysis.
It's used a lot in heterogeneous catalysis.
And if you have extra time, feel free to do the problem.
It's a really good problem.
Those of you who are feeling like you don't have
any extra time, and you're about to kill yourself, please
don't kill yourself.
And instead, just send an email to me
or Professor Swan asking for an extension.
And we can give you some more time
to finish up the homeworks that's due tonight.
All right, talk to you
later.