1 00:00:09,434 --> 00:00:10,850 GUEST SPEAKER: Governor, thank you 2 00:00:10,850 --> 00:00:14,180 so much for asking me to outline a comprehensive cost-benefit 3 00:00:14,180 --> 00:00:16,940 analysis, regaring decision making 4 00:00:16,940 --> 00:00:19,690 over a long delayed clean up of a highly polluted Superfund 5 00:00:19,690 --> 00:00:21,230 site. 6 00:00:21,230 --> 00:00:23,360 As we know, underground storage tanks at the site 7 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:26,840 have leaked into nearby wetlands and cleanup is expected 8 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:29,650 to cost $35 million or more. 9 00:00:29,650 --> 00:00:31,880 The debate centers around the city's eagerness 10 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:33,720 to reuse this site for a new mall. 11 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:35,600 And who should be held accountable 12 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,450 for the costs associated with this clean up, as the state 13 00:00:38,450 --> 00:00:40,700 government has no funds, and the company 14 00:00:40,700 --> 00:00:43,310 responsible for the damage has since gone out of business, 15 00:00:43,310 --> 00:00:46,702 leaving even no clients remaining. 16 00:00:46,702 --> 00:00:49,160 Including an alterior road that would link to the Superfund 17 00:00:49,160 --> 00:00:51,470 site to a nearby highway would provide 18 00:00:51,470 --> 00:00:53,660 additional accessibility, and consequently 19 00:00:53,660 --> 00:00:56,090 more business for the mall, perhaps justifying 20 00:00:56,090 --> 00:00:58,250 more government spending. 21 00:00:58,250 --> 00:01:00,590 As you know, Governor, multiple parties 22 00:01:00,590 --> 00:01:02,320 are pressuring you in this decision, 23 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:03,860 and there is no consensus as to who 24 00:01:03,860 --> 00:01:06,800 should bear the cost of ensuring the site is safe 25 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,150 and of redeveloping the site. 26 00:01:09,150 --> 00:01:11,720 You asked me to outline a comprehensive cost-benefit 27 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:14,919 analysis that can be done to help answer this question. 28 00:01:14,919 --> 00:01:16,960 I would argue that a cost-benefit analysis should 29 00:01:16,960 --> 00:01:19,850 not in fact be used in this decision-making process, 30 00:01:19,850 --> 00:01:21,880 as I believe the method is deeply flawed, 31 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:23,840 and may lead to misleading results, 32 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,315 exacerbating feelings of poorly distributed benefits 33 00:01:26,315 --> 00:01:27,290 among parties. 34 00:01:32,625 --> 00:01:35,180 While proponents of cost-benefit analysis 35 00:01:35,180 --> 00:01:38,220 assert that it, 1, results in the more efficient allocation 36 00:01:38,220 --> 00:01:42,353 of resources and, 2, provides objectivity and transparency, 37 00:01:42,353 --> 00:01:46,170 in a paper titled Pricing the Priceless by Frank 38 00:01:46,170 --> 00:01:49,615 Ackerman and Lisa Heinzerling, the authors 39 00:01:49,615 --> 00:01:52,140 argue against these arguments by illuminating 40 00:01:52,140 --> 00:01:56,040 four fundamental flaws to cost-benefit analysis. 41 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,710 I will outline some of these fundamental flaws in relation 42 00:01:58,710 --> 00:02:01,230 to the case the Superfund site and provide thoughts 43 00:02:01,230 --> 00:02:03,600 for an alternative approach. 44 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:05,640 The first fundamental flaw centers around it 45 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:08,220 cost-benefit analysis, the process 46 00:02:08,220 --> 00:02:10,650 of reducing life, health, and the natural world 47 00:02:10,650 --> 00:02:12,630 to monetary values. 48 00:02:12,630 --> 00:02:15,030 For example, according to cost-benefit analysis, 49 00:02:15,030 --> 00:02:16,890 preventing the extinction of bald eagles 50 00:02:16,890 --> 00:02:20,850 is worth $250 per household. 51 00:02:20,850 --> 00:02:22,570 And saving a human life is calculated 52 00:02:22,570 --> 00:02:25,640 to be worth $6.3 million. 53 00:02:25,640 --> 00:02:28,270 For the people in this scenario that we're talking about today, 54 00:02:28,270 --> 00:02:32,390 a risk of toxic poisoning due to the previous industrial factory 55 00:02:32,390 --> 00:02:35,210 operations at the site, the price of their health, 56 00:02:35,210 --> 00:02:37,979 and even their lives, cannot be assigned a finite amount 57 00:02:37,979 --> 00:02:39,950 of money. 58 00:02:39,950 --> 00:02:41,930 Furthermore, the $6.3 million figure 59 00:02:41,930 --> 00:02:44,450 is not considered by the cost-benefit analysis 60 00:02:44,450 --> 00:02:49,940 to be a price of life, but the cost of the risk of death. 61 00:02:49,940 --> 00:02:52,280 According to Ackerman, in this way 62 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,190 the cost-benefit analysis equates the risks 63 00:02:55,190 --> 00:02:57,680 of death with death itself, which are actually 64 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:01,140 two different calculations. 65 00:03:01,140 --> 00:03:03,560 The second, cost-benefit analysis ignores the reality 66 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:05,450 that citizens are concerned about risks 67 00:03:05,450 --> 00:03:08,150 to others and in addition to their concern about risk 68 00:03:08,150 --> 00:03:09,840 to themselves. 69 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,110 If we do a cost-benefit analysis looking 70 00:03:12,110 --> 00:03:14,600 at the rebuilding of the Superfund site, 71 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:17,150 our analysis can't quantify the value 72 00:03:17,150 --> 00:03:19,310 to our townspeople people of the lives 73 00:03:19,310 --> 00:03:22,310 and health of their relatives, and friends, and even 74 00:03:22,310 --> 00:03:23,292 strangers in the town. 75 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:28,880 Thirdly, cost-benefit analysis fails 76 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:30,740 to address the collective choice presented 77 00:03:30,740 --> 00:03:34,115 to society, as its valuation of environmental benefits 78 00:03:34,115 --> 00:03:38,100 is based only individual's private decision as consumers, 79 00:03:38,100 --> 00:03:41,810 and not collective decisions as citizens. 80 00:03:41,810 --> 00:03:44,680 For example, a study by Mark Sagoff 81 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,820 found that his students in their role as citizens 82 00:03:47,820 --> 00:03:50,170 opposed commercial ski development of a wilderness 83 00:03:50,170 --> 00:03:53,120 area, but in their role as consumers would plan 84 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,900 to ski there if it were actually built. So in this scenario, 85 00:03:56,900 --> 00:03:59,810 cost-benefit analysis could take into account only 86 00:03:59,810 --> 00:04:01,940 our towns peoples' willingness to pay 87 00:04:01,940 --> 00:04:04,640 for a new mall as individuals and consumers, 88 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:08,040 and not how they value this site and its environmental 89 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:12,714 and community value as citizens. 90 00:04:12,714 --> 00:04:14,380 In addition, there are fundamental flaws 91 00:04:14,380 --> 00:04:15,960 and the use of discounting. 92 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,390 While discounting acknowledges that individuals believe 93 00:04:18,390 --> 00:04:22,019 it is better for them to suffer harm later rather than sooner, 94 00:04:22,019 --> 00:04:24,190 it doesn't address the very, very long term, 95 00:04:24,190 --> 00:04:26,970 where discounting its a choice between preventing harm 96 00:04:26,970 --> 00:04:30,330 to the current generation and preventing similar harms 97 00:04:30,330 --> 00:04:33,270 to future generations. 98 00:04:33,270 --> 00:04:35,770 And discounting also assumes that environmental problems 99 00:04:35,770 --> 00:04:37,960 won't get any worse if we wait to address them, 100 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,450 and that technology will keep evolving 101 00:04:40,450 --> 00:04:44,880 so that future solutions will do more and cost less. 102 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:46,810 Therefore, if we do a cost-benefit analysis 103 00:04:46,810 --> 00:04:49,510 for the remediation of this Superfund site, 104 00:04:49,510 --> 00:04:52,830 we cannot take into account the possibility that we find 105 00:04:52,830 --> 00:04:56,710 an additional or irreversible toxic pollution source that we 106 00:04:56,710 --> 00:05:00,190 do not currently know exists. 107 00:05:00,190 --> 00:05:03,460 Based on these fundamental flaws in cost-benefit analysis 108 00:05:03,460 --> 00:05:05,560 outlined by Ackerman and Heizerling, 109 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,410 we cannot expect such an analysis to be either objective 110 00:05:08,410 --> 00:05:10,520 or transparent. 111 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:12,180 In fact, the cost-benefit analysis 112 00:05:12,180 --> 00:05:14,742 relies on a series of assumptions and value 113 00:05:14,742 --> 00:05:17,100 judgements that are far from objective. 114 00:05:17,100 --> 00:05:18,600 As a result, I don't think we should 115 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,940 use a cost-benefit analysis for our analysis. 116 00:05:21,940 --> 00:05:23,850 But rather, I think we should look 117 00:05:23,850 --> 00:05:26,880 to past situations of Superfund site remediation 118 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:28,740 that may add in our understanding of how 119 00:05:28,740 --> 00:05:32,520 other towns have addressed such complex situations 120 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,880 and undertake economic analyzes of various past planning 121 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:39,450 decisions that could inform our own situation. 122 00:05:39,450 --> 00:05:41,460 Another idea would be to potentially-- 123 00:05:41,460 --> 00:05:43,810 based on public town hall hearings-- 124 00:05:43,810 --> 00:05:45,870 move toward the consideration of a local vote 125 00:05:45,870 --> 00:05:48,902 to decide whether a tax can be applied to the town's citizens 126 00:05:48,902 --> 00:05:51,020 and collected into a pool that will 127 00:05:51,020 --> 00:05:55,467 go towards cleaning the site and rebuilding the mall. 128 00:05:55,467 --> 00:05:58,050 I look forward to continuing to analyze alternative approaches 129 00:05:58,050 --> 00:06:00,180 to evaluate our best options going forward 130 00:06:00,180 --> 00:06:02,670 in this complex situation.