1 00:00:09,235 --> 00:00:10,610 GUEST SPEAKER: Morning, governor. 2 00:00:10,610 --> 00:00:13,370 As you're well aware, how best to prevent or compensate 3 00:00:13,370 --> 00:00:16,370 for wetland destruction is a crucial and contentious debate 4 00:00:16,370 --> 00:00:17,950 here in Oregon at the moment. 5 00:00:17,950 --> 00:00:21,020 However, a local watershed advocacy group currently 6 00:00:21,020 --> 00:00:23,150 recommends new methodology for calculating 7 00:00:23,150 --> 00:00:24,800 the value of these wetlands. 8 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:26,750 I'm eager to share what I see are the pros 9 00:00:26,750 --> 00:00:28,126 and cons to this method. 10 00:00:28,126 --> 00:00:29,750 First of all, I'll explain a little bit 11 00:00:29,750 --> 00:00:32,150 about how it compares to our current tactics 12 00:00:32,150 --> 00:00:33,380 that we're using. 13 00:00:33,380 --> 00:00:35,720 Then I'll discuss some major critiques. 14 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,240 And then I'll conclude and wrap up with my thoughts 15 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:40,020 and recommendations. 16 00:00:40,020 --> 00:00:41,750 So the current system we have right now, 17 00:00:41,750 --> 00:00:43,730 we require three acres of wetlands 18 00:00:43,730 --> 00:00:47,392 to be created for every acre that's destroyed. 19 00:00:47,392 --> 00:00:49,850 People have complained that this really hinders development 20 00:00:49,850 --> 00:00:51,558 and that there's little room for creating 21 00:00:51,558 --> 00:00:53,300 these new wetlands right now. 22 00:00:53,300 --> 00:00:55,430 Landowners, particularly farmers, 23 00:00:55,430 --> 00:00:58,460 have started a system of mitigation banking, 24 00:00:58,460 --> 00:01:01,320 where they turn acres of their land into wetlands 25 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:03,440 and then sell these acres to developers 26 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:05,060 who use it as compensatory wetlands, 27 00:01:05,060 --> 00:01:07,640 or essentially wetlands credit. 28 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:09,050 The main problem with this system 29 00:01:09,050 --> 00:01:12,590 is that it's unclear whether these new wetlands are really 30 00:01:12,590 --> 00:01:14,630 functioning how they should be. 31 00:01:14,630 --> 00:01:17,930 Wetlands execute a number of ecosystem services 32 00:01:17,930 --> 00:01:21,170 like water storage, carbon sequestration, water 33 00:01:21,170 --> 00:01:23,630 filtration, services that are particularly 34 00:01:23,630 --> 00:01:26,400 beneficial for humans as well. 35 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:28,460 So it'd be a better approach to look specifically 36 00:01:28,460 --> 00:01:33,530 at these services to recognize what we would have to replace. 37 00:01:33,530 --> 00:01:35,870 So this new system would require adding up 38 00:01:35,870 --> 00:01:40,070 the total value of what these ecosystems' services are 39 00:01:40,070 --> 00:01:42,939 worth to humans in monetary terms. 40 00:01:42,939 --> 00:01:45,230 As they aren't currently bought and sold on the market, 41 00:01:45,230 --> 00:01:48,300 this evaluation process can be challenging. 42 00:01:48,300 --> 00:01:51,660 But a mixture of different processes can be used. 43 00:01:51,660 --> 00:01:53,750 We can use market goods as a proxy. 44 00:01:53,750 --> 00:01:57,950 For example, flood barriers can cost up to around $15 billion, 45 00:01:57,950 --> 00:02:00,340 while coral reefs do this naturally for free. 46 00:02:00,340 --> 00:02:02,930 So it provides a comparison. 47 00:02:02,930 --> 00:02:05,670 We can look at revealed preferences, 48 00:02:05,670 --> 00:02:08,900 like seeing people, if they travel to x place 49 00:02:08,900 --> 00:02:13,160 to see nature, it gives a sense of their value, 50 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,560 but also using hypothetical markets 51 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,860 like measuring people's willingness to pay. 52 00:02:18,860 --> 00:02:21,850 Using this process, Robert Costanza and his team 53 00:02:21,850 --> 00:02:23,690 calculated that ecosystem services 54 00:02:23,690 --> 00:02:31,190 are worth $142.7 trillion annually in 2014 US dollars, 55 00:02:31,190 --> 00:02:33,050 which is a profound number to really show 56 00:02:33,050 --> 00:02:37,580 how these ecosystems, or services are of value. 57 00:02:37,580 --> 00:02:39,770 Of course, there are many critiques and arguments 58 00:02:39,770 --> 00:02:42,730 for why this is not a really applicable process. 59 00:02:42,730 --> 00:02:45,440 Critiques specifically to the framework of method, 60 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,350 first of all, include that the economic assumptions 61 00:02:48,350 --> 00:02:50,360 are usually inappropriate. 62 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:51,860 It assumes everyone is always trying 63 00:02:51,860 --> 00:02:55,060 to maximize a personal utility function 64 00:02:55,060 --> 00:02:57,110 and assumes that goods are substitutable, 65 00:02:57,110 --> 00:02:59,044 which is not always the case. 66 00:02:59,044 --> 00:03:00,710 Also, there's an issue with discounting. 67 00:03:00,710 --> 00:03:03,680 It's problematic to assume that ecosystems in the future 68 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,770 have diminished value. 69 00:03:06,770 --> 00:03:10,070 People also identify that people's ability to evaluate 70 00:03:10,070 --> 00:03:10,899 is flawed. 71 00:03:10,899 --> 00:03:13,190 People don't necessarily have a complete understanding, 72 00:03:13,190 --> 00:03:18,290 like what a particular soil microorganism will do. 73 00:03:18,290 --> 00:03:20,277 People are also asked to put a price on things 74 00:03:20,277 --> 00:03:21,860 that aren't normally priced, and so it 75 00:03:21,860 --> 00:03:23,840 makes it a challenge to judge. 76 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,480 Essentially, valuation methods and market schemes 77 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:28,640 are not ideologically neutral. 78 00:03:28,640 --> 00:03:30,770 It's said they're culturally construed, 79 00:03:30,770 --> 00:03:35,160 so therefore, there's a risk of having high subjectivity. 80 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,210 Zooming out in terms of these critiques, the quantification 81 00:03:38,210 --> 00:03:42,620 of nature, people will say, in the first place is problematic. 82 00:03:42,620 --> 00:03:46,610 Valuing nature is arguably a personal and social value 83 00:03:46,610 --> 00:03:49,040 at the level of morals. 84 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:52,100 And so therefore, no amount of money 85 00:03:52,100 --> 00:03:54,590 can be effectively compared. 86 00:03:54,590 --> 00:03:56,660 Others will also argue that commodification 87 00:03:56,660 --> 00:04:00,410 induces competition, which can be counterproductive. 88 00:04:00,410 --> 00:04:02,930 It basically undermines the moral incentives 89 00:04:02,930 --> 00:04:06,789 of conservation by making it about self-interest instead. 90 00:04:06,789 --> 00:04:09,080 Despite these critiques and these arguments against it, 91 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,586 I would still recommend it, though, as a valuable exercise. 92 00:04:12,586 --> 00:04:16,760 Although the process itself clearly has some flaws, 93 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:18,769 by spelling out all the different assumptions 94 00:04:18,769 --> 00:04:22,040 we make, we can perhaps not reduce the subjectivity, 95 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,170 but can at least be transparent about the thinking 96 00:04:24,170 --> 00:04:25,820 that we're implying. 97 00:04:25,820 --> 00:04:27,735 Also in terms of the moral implications, 98 00:04:27,735 --> 00:04:29,360 currently with the system that we have, 99 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,450 we're already using markets for ecosystem services 100 00:04:32,450 --> 00:04:34,600 with the mitigation banking procedure. 101 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:39,080 The Army Corps of Engineers has cut the cost $45,000 102 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,600 to replace a acre of wetland. 103 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,540 So in a way, we're already quantifying these wetlands. 104 00:04:44,540 --> 00:04:46,940 Instead, we would just be valuing the services 105 00:04:46,940 --> 00:04:48,770 that they provide. 106 00:04:48,770 --> 00:04:51,440 Furthermore, I'd argue that we should focus on the outcomes 107 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:55,580 regardless of the different, differing ethical philosophies. 108 00:04:55,580 --> 00:04:58,210 Economic arguments tend to be more salient. 109 00:04:58,210 --> 00:05:00,680 They fit with the ideological and institutional structures 110 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,500 in place, and thus have shown remarkable success 111 00:05:03,500 --> 00:05:07,490 in political recognition and spurring policy 112 00:05:07,490 --> 00:05:10,190 around ecosystem conservation. 113 00:05:10,190 --> 00:05:13,120 Currently, without valuing ecosystems in this way, 114 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,880 in formal policy evaluations like cost-benefit analysis, 115 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,850 we are effectively assigning them a value of zero. 116 00:05:19,850 --> 00:05:22,640 So instead, by illustrating the immense value to humans, 117 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:24,890 the critical need to preserve these services 118 00:05:24,890 --> 00:05:29,570 becomes much more salient both land owners and developers. 119 00:05:29,570 --> 00:05:32,060 Although Marc Sagoff shows how the back story 120 00:05:32,060 --> 00:05:34,820 or political rationale has been misportrayed, 121 00:05:34,820 --> 00:05:36,680 the parable of how New York chose 122 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:38,240 to restore the Catskills Watersheds 123 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,170 illustrates this value. 124 00:05:40,170 --> 00:05:42,697 Restoring, restoration cost them $1 billion, 125 00:05:42,697 --> 00:05:44,780 whereas a new filtration plant, on the other hand, 126 00:05:44,780 --> 00:05:48,110 cost up to $6 billion, which shows the great efficiency 127 00:05:48,110 --> 00:05:50,630 in natural ecosystem services. 128 00:05:50,630 --> 00:05:52,810 The greater lesson, however, indicates 129 00:05:52,810 --> 00:05:55,740 that we should be seeking to preserve rather than always 130 00:05:55,740 --> 00:05:56,860 restore. 131 00:05:56,860 --> 00:05:59,610 This can save ourself money in the long run. 132 00:05:59,610 --> 00:06:01,790 As this methodology makes this message clear, 133 00:06:01,790 --> 00:06:05,270 I see great utility in using an ecosystem services approach. 134 00:06:05,270 --> 00:06:07,190 Although money is not the end-all be-all 135 00:06:07,190 --> 00:06:09,020 and shouldn't be, putting it in these terms 136 00:06:09,020 --> 00:06:11,165 creates great political agency for conserving 137 00:06:11,165 --> 00:06:14,490 the ecosystems depend on.