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JON GRUBER: OK.

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The other thing to know
is about my lecture style,

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a couple of points.

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First of all, I go too
fast, and my handwriting

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is incredibly messy.

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So please do not hesitate to
ask what the hell I just said.

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You will learn this
semester about public goods.

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You all know what
public goods are,

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which is when you provide
something that helps others.

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If you don't
understand something,

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chances are most of the
class didn't understand it.

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So please don't hesitate
to ask, ask to repeat

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or just ask a question.

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This class, if I
don't get interrupted,

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I go faster and faster.

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And eventually, my
head just pops off.

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So you guys need to interrupt
me with questions, thoughts.

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I understand you guys
don't like to talk.

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You know the joke about Harvard
students and MIT students?

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If you tell a joke at
Harvard, they laugh.

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If you tell a joke at
MIT, they write it down.

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So basically, please
laugh at my jokes.

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But more than that, please
ask questions, not just

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to understand, but
anything, if you're

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just curious about anything,
I'd like this class

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to be a discussion.

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Remember, you're not just
serving your own interests.

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Any question you ask is going
to be helpful to everyone

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in the class.

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So please provide that public
good and ask questions.

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OK.

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That's point 1.

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Point 2 is, I have
a terrible tendency

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to use the term guys as
in a gender-neutral sense.

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So when I say guys, I mean
economic agents, men and women,

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people.

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I don't mean men.

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So I'm sorry.

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It's just a sexist
term that I just

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use in the generic sense
of, guys are people.

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So I say guys, I mean economic
agents, not particularly

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men or women.

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That's the second one
of my teaching style.

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So that is pretty much
the setup of the class.

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Come to class.

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Let's discuss, do the
problem sets, do the exams.

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Oh, problem sets, no problem
at all with group work.

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I don't think ChatGPT
is yet smart enough

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to solve my problems.

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I hope it isn't.

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But here's the thing.

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The problem sets, I
should have mentioned,

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jointly are worth
25% of the grade.

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The midterm's only 25%.

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And the final is 50%.

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So if you cheat on
the problem set,

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you're only hurting yourself,
because the problem sets are

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the very best practice for the
exams, which is really where

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the bulk of the grades are.

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So please work in a team.

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That's great.

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But make sure you understand
what you're doing.

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Because at the end
of the day, if you

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don't understand
the problem sets,

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you're not going to
understand the exams.

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That's the closest
approximate prediction

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of what will be in the exams.

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So make sure that if
you work in groups,

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you understand what your
group is doing so that you're

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prepared when exams come along.

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OK.

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Any questions about the class?

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OK.

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So the way it's going to work--

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if you have the syllabus,
the way this is going to work

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is, essentially, I'm going to
do roughly a chapter a lecture,

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with some exceptions.

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So today, I'll do chapter 1.

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This is on the syllabus.

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Chapters 2, 3, and
4 are background.

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Oh that's the other thing I need
to mention, in terms of prereqs.

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Prereq is a good
understanding of 14.01.

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And how do you tell you have
good understanding of 14.01?

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You look at chapter 2.

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If chapter 2 is like, yeah,
I remember all that stuff,

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I need a little brushing
up, that's great.

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If chapter 2 is like, I don't
know the hell I'm looking at,

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you should not be
taking this class.

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I will assume chapter 2.

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I will assume you
can handle anything

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that's covered in chapter 2.

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I won't assume anything beyond
that, in terms of math skills

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or knowing models.

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But I will assume
that chapter 2 can

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be relied on as base knowledge.

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I'm not even going to
review it in section.

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So please, on your own,
skim through chapter 2.

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Make sure that's stuff you
vaguely, at least, remember.

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If it looks foreign to you, you
should not be in this class.

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So that's chapter 2.

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Chapters 3 and 4 are
also background chapters.

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We'll cover those in section.

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Chapter 3, we'll
cover this Friday,

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chapter 4 in a few weeks.

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So I'm going to go,
today, chapter 1.

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I'm then going to go from
chapter 5 to 25 pretty linearly,

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pretty much a chapter a lecture,
except some of the chapters

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will take more than one lecture.

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We'll end up with 25
lectures for the semester.

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All right?

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So today, we'll
start with chapter 1,

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which is just introduction.

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I'm just going to teach
you out of the book.

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That's what I want to
teach, so it makes it easy.

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So basically, we're going
to start with chapter 1,

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which is an introduction to
what is public finance and how

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should you think about it.

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So when people ask
what I teach, I

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say I teach a course about
the role of the government

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in the economy.

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And roughly speaking,
that's what we'll

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be talking about this semester.

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More specifically,
we focus on what

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we call the four questions
of public finance, the four

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questions of public finance.

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And these are the questions
that organize everything

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we do this semester.

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The first question is,
when should the government

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intervene in the economy?

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When should the government
intervene in the economy?

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The second question is, how
might the government intervene?

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When should the
government intervene?

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How might it intervene?

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The third question
is, what is the effect

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of these interventions?

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When should the
government intervene?

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How might it intervene?

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What is the effect of
these interventions?

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And the fourth is,
why do governments

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choose to do what they do?

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Why do governments
intervene in the way

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we actually see them doing?

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So what I'm going to do is
run through these questions

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in the context of a
specific example, which

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is health insurance.

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We'll talk a lot about health
care and health insurance

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this semester.

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It's the largest single
expenditure of the US government

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and many governments
around the world.

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So it makes sense it's
a focus of this class.

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We'll talk about the
example of health insurance

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to guide our thinking.

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And here is the key
single guiding principle,

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is to remember that economics,
as I say, in 14.01--

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how many here took
14.01 with me?

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OK.

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I apologize that at the
end of the semester,

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I'll tell the same joke.

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OK.

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The key, as I
emphasized in 14.01,

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economics is fundamentally
a right-wing science.

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We assume the market is correct,
unless proven otherwise.

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So the fundamental
guiding principle

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of this class on
question 1 is, when

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should the government intervene
is, is there a provable market

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failure?

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Is there a provable case that
the market is not delivering

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the welfare-maximizing outcome?

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Only then do you go on
to the other questions.

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This is the threshold question.

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If there's no provable case
that the market isn't welfare

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maximizing, you're done.

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You don't have to worry
about these other things.

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You need a provable case that
the market outcome is not

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welfare maximizing.

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We'll talk about many, many
of such provable cases.

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But you need one.

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OK.

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So, for example-- and
as we prove in 14.01

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and prove again
quickly in chapter 2,

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the first fundamental
welfare theorem of economics

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says the market
outcomes efficient

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under certain conditions.

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And we want to ask which
of those conditions

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might be violated.

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So there's essentially
two types of reasons

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why we say the government
might want to intervene,

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or two types of answers
to the when question.

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The first is market
failures, market failures.

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The market does not
meet the conditions

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that are required for an
efficiently operating economy.

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OK.

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So let's take the market
for health insurance.

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At first glance, this should
be a pretty well-functioning

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market.

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There's something like 300
million Americans or more buying

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health insurance.

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There is a price of
health insurance.

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There's a price and quantity
of health insurance.

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There's many firms
delivering health insurance.

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At first, this might seem
like any other market.

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Now, you might say, well, of
course, it's not like a market

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because people are uninsured.

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Indeed, before the
Affordable Care Act,

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about 50 million
Americans were uninsured.

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Now almost 30 million are.

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You might say,
gee, well, clearly,

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the market's broken because
there's uninsured people.

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But that would be wrong.

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Just because someone
doesn't buy something

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doesn't mean the
market's broken.

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There are people in America
without large screen TVs.

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That doesn't mean the market
for large screen TVs is broken.

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It just means some people
have chosen not to buy them

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at the existing price.

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So the fact there's
uninsured does not

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mean the market is broken.

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We need an actual reason
why the market is not

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functioning efficiently.

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That is, we need some
kind of market failure.

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So classic example
would be an externality.

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So for example-- and we
learned about this in 14.01.

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For example, imagine
that I get sick

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with a communicable disease.

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And because I don't
have health insurance,

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I don't get vaccinated
or take the medicine

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that I need to fix that
communicable disease.

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And I come to class,
and I get you all sick.

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COVID obviously is
fresh on our minds here.

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We all lived through that.

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That is a classic externality,
an example when one party's

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actions affect another party.

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In such situations-- we'll cover
in depth in chapter 5 and beyond

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in the class--

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this is a reason why the social
value of health insurance

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exceeds the private value
of health insurance.

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Market failures arise whenever
social benefits and costs do not

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align with private
benefits and costs.

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Once again, we'll go over
this in detail next lecture.

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But that's where market
failure's going to rise.

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A classic example would be if I
am not accounting for the fact

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that I'm making you sick, then
my private incentives are not

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aligned, my private
benefit is not

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aligning with the
social benefit.

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And this is a
classic externality.

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And in the book, I
talk about vaccination

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as a classic example
of government policies

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to fight this kind
of externality.

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Measles used to be an
incredibly deadly disease.

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About 3 to 4 million
Americans used to get them,

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with about 500 people dying
every year from measles.

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A measles vaccine was
invented, and measles largely

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went away as a problem.

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By the 1980s, there were
fewer than 3,000 cases.

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But then in the 1990s, there
was a burst of measles cases.

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And it turned out
that basically,

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what happened was that
basically, a bunch of patients

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had stopped getting vaccinated.

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And enough patients
stopped getting vaccinated

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that kids were starting to catch
measles again and dying from it.

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So immunization rates
fell dramatically,

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and deaths increased
from measles.

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In response, the
federal government

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made vaccination for
measles free for everyone.

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And that caused immunization
rates to go back up.

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Immunization rates went
back up into the '90s.

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But then a new problem
happened, which is--

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I'll try not to be too
judgmental in this class,

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but one of the world's
biggest assholes

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is a guy named Andrew Wakefield.

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Andrew Wakefield
wrote an article

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in The Lancet, actually a
reputable medical journal,

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claiming that vaccines
gave you autism.

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Now, if you look at his study--

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I swear to God, this is true.

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His study-- and we don't have
to be empirical scientists

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to understand this.

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His study was, he went
to a birthday party

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and collected data
from, like, eight kids.

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And two of them had autism.

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And it was correlated whether
they'd been vaccinated or not.

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And somehow, it got published
in reputable medical journal.

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And it became the
basis for this view

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that vaccines are bad
for you and cause damage.

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Of course, it's false.

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There's never been any
evidence that's true.

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But it was the kicking-off point
for a massive anti-vaccination

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movement.

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We all know about it by now.

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We all know about the
anti-vax movement.

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We know that it led to a massive
spread in lack of vaccination

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for things like measles and
an explosion in measles cases.

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These were often concentrated
in particular areas,

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like-- do we have
any Minnesotans here?

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No, no Minnesotans.

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My wife's from Minnesota, so
I focus on Minnesota a lot

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in my examples.

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They have a large
immigrant Somali community.

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For some reason, the word
got around that community

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that vaccines were bad.

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Immunizations rates
fell to less than 50%.

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And they had their
largest measles outbreaks

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in more than 30 years.

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So that led to other reactions.

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For example, the state of
California started saying,

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we will kick kids out of school
if they're not immunized,

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and we won't accept
any exemptions.

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Some states said, well,
you have to be immunized,

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but if you tell us your
religion forbids it,

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we'll let you not be immunized.

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California said no.

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You're not immunized,
you're not going to school.

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Is that a good policy?

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That's what we
want to talk about.

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That's what we want
to think about.

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Does that make sense?

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Is that a sensible
way to fight this?

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And obviously, COVID
brings it to the fore.

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We all know about the vaccine
skepticism and problems

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in COVID.

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We may have seen the facts that
death rates in red counties,

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counties that typically vote
Republican, during COVID

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were dramatically higher than
death rates in blue counties,

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correlated with the fact
that vaccination rates were

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much lower in red counties
and blue counties.

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And in general,
the estimates are

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that the availability
of the COVID vaccine

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saved about 2 million
lives worldwide--

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were saved by the
available vaccine.

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And yet, vaccination rates,
even for the first COVID shot,

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never got much above 70% in
the US, and for boosters,

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are well below 50%
and diminishing.

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So basically, this
notion of, well, there's

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an externality, should get
a vaccine is clearly not

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percolating through, and
other things are coming in.

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This raises the
question of, what

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should the government's role be?

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So that's the first kind of
market failure, the first kind

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of answer to the when question.

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The second kind of answer to the
when question is redistribution.

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We learned in 14.01 that we
have a social welfare function.

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And the goal of
government is not

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to maximize the size of
the pie but to maximize

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social welfare, which
accounts for both the size

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of the pie and its
distribution-- or, at least,

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some would say.

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Some people might
say the goal's solely

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to maximize the size of the pie.

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That's a particular
social welfare function.

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But other social
welfare functions

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would say, no,
distribution matters.

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In that case, even with a
well-functioning market,

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you may want to engage in
government intervention

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for your distribution.

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Now, the trick here is
that typically, this

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is going to lead to what we call
an efficiency-equity trade-off.

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Typically, when you
redistribute and intervene

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in economy distribute,
you cause inefficiencies.

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So distribution is rarely free.

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There are a few cases where
it is, where actually, you

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get a win-win solution of
both solving market failures

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and redistributing.

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But, by and large,
there's a trade-off.

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And that's the core of a lot of
what we'll talk about this year

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this semester, is
basically, how do

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you think about that
trade-off between efficiency

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and redistribution?

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So this is the first threshold.

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Is there either a market failure
or redistribution argument

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for what you want to do?

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If not, go home.

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We are going to trust
the market unless you

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have one of those reasons.

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If you have those reasons, you
can then turn to how question.

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If the government
sees a market failure,

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it wants to redistribute,
how can it do so?

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Well, the government has a lot
of different tools to do so.

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I'll just give an overview here.

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For example, the government
could tax or subsidize

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private purchase.

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The government
could say, look, we

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think there should
be more vaccination,

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so we're going to make it free.

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We think there should be
more health insurance.

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We'll offer you a tax credit.

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Indeed, the Affordable Care Act
includes massive tax credits

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for health insurance
exactly under the argument

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the health insurance
market is not working well.

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So as a result, we need
to subsidize the provision

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of health insurance.

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So that's one way the
government can intervene.

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A second way a government
could intervene

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is to restrict or
mandate purchase.

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The government could
say, well, we're not

00:16:38.400 --> 00:16:39.760 align:middle line:84%
going to change the price,
but we're going to either

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not allow you to sell it--

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for example, we think cigarettes
have negative externalities.

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We could ban the
sale of cigarettes

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or mandate you have to buy it.

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If we think that not
having health insurance

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is negative externalities, we
can mandate health insurance,

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which is, once again, what
the Affordable Care Act did.

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Although, it's
subsequently been repealed.

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That's the second
thing you could do.

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The third thing you could
do is public provision.

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You could say,
look, we think this

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is a problem that's solved
by the government literally

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providing the good.

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So the government
could literally

00:17:17.435 --> 00:17:19.040 align:middle line:84%
say, as they do in
Canada, we're going

00:17:19.040 --> 00:17:21.060 align:middle line:84%
to have government-provided
health insurance.

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We think people are not buying
enough health insurance.

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We're not going to mess with
the private market stuff.

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We're just going
to have government

00:17:25.520 --> 00:17:27.079 align:middle line:90%
provide health insurance.

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That is another way you could
approach a problem like that.

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And then finally, the
last category here

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is public financing of private
provision, public financing.

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You can say, look, I'll let
the private sector provide it,

00:17:48.580 --> 00:17:51.040 align:middle line:84%
but I'm going to
pay them to do so.

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So an example here
is in 2003, as we'll

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talk about in a
number of lectures,

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the government had a
prescription drug benefit

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to the Medicare program
for our nation's elders.

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You don't need to
know about this now.

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We'll cover it later.

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But instead of just giving
them a government-provided drug

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option, they reimbursed private
health insurance companies

00:18:11.640 --> 00:18:12.515 align:middle line:90%
to provide the drugs.

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So they said, you're going
to buy in a private market,

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but the government's
going to pay for it.

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So that's another
way they can go.

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So there's lots of options.

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Yeah?

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AUDIENCE: What's the
difference between 3 and 4,

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just a form of subsidy?

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JON GRUBER: 3 and 4,
the difference is,

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is the private market involved?

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In 3, the private
market's not involved.

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The government just
provides the insurance.

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So the debate, as we'll cover
about Medicare Part D, which--

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the other parts of
Medicare are literally,

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government just
provides the insurance.

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This was, no, instead of
the government providing

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the insurance, we're going
to hire private insurance

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companies to provide it,
and we'll just pay them.

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AUDIENCE: But isn't that just a
form of a subsidy, which is 1?

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JON GRUBER: The
difference is that--

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it is a form of a subsidy.

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These are all sort of related.

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It is a form of a subsidy.

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The difference is
the government sort

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of organizes the
market more in 4.

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But they're related.

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It's a good point,
good question.

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OK.

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So that's the second question.

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The third question
is the what question.

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OK.

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You've decided that the
government should intervene.

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You said there's
a justification.

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You're considering ways
the government might.

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Well, how do you
choose between them?

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Well, the way you
choose between them

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is by understanding what effect
these different interventions

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will have.

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To help choose,
you need evidence

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on how these different
interventions might work.

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And that is the area of what we
call empirical public finance,

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which is actually
trying to assess

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what effect different types
of government policies

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actually have.

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And here, of course, we have
direct and indirect effects.

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The direct effects aren't fun.

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That's accounting.

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Accounting is boring.

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The indirects are fun.

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That's economics.

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That's the effect of the
policy that's unintended,

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but yet, can have a critical
impact on the outcome.

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So, for example, let's
say, before the ACA,

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the government said there's 50
million uninsured people, 50

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million uninsured people.

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And let's say, we think we can
insure each of them for $2,500

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each.

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So that means that we could
ensure all the uninsured

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for $125 billion.

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Now, when I was a kid,
that was a big number.

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In the year of COVID, when
you guys are hearing lots

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of trillions thrown around
like they're nothing,

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that's not that big a number.
$125 billion-- after all,

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our spending on health care in
the US is 3 and 1/2 trillion.

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That's a pretty small number,
if you think about it.

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We cover all the uninsured.

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That's the direct effect.

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What does that miss?

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Why is that number wrong?

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Yeah?

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AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]

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JON GRUBER: No, I'm just doing
the cost for now, just the cost.

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Yeah?

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AUDIENCE: People who have
private health care but switch

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[INAUDIBLE].

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JON GRUBER: Yeah.

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What that misses--
being uninsured

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is not stamped on our forehead
at birth and irremovable.

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It's a choice.

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And if you change relative
prices, choices change.

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So if you change
the relative price

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of being uninsured by
making going for something

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bad to something that's good,
because you get free health

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insurance, you
could create a lot

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of people who then announce
themselves uninsured to get

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this free care.

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So, for example,
basically, imagine

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that half of everyone
who has private insurance

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dropped it and said,
well, gee, why should I

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pay for my private insurance?

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I'll just get this free
insurance to the uninsured.

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That would cause the cost to
rise from $125 billion to $340

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billion a year.

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Now we're talking real money.

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On the other hand, if only 10%
of those with private insurance

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decide to drop it
and join the program,

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that raised the cost to
only $165 billion a year.

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So this is if half
the privately insured

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say I'm going to take
advantage of this free program.

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This is if 10% do.

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That's a huge difference.

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What's the right answer?

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How many will?

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That's the thing we get at with
the what of public finances,

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try to understand these, measure
these indirect effects so we

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can understand what effect
government interventions will

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actually have.

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We'll get to the benefits later.

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This is just the cost.

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So that's the what.

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And here, we're going to come
to the heroes of our story,

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the people, the unsung--
not all heroes wear

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capes-- the hero story, which
is the Congressional Budget

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Office, the CBO.

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The Congressional Budget
Office, is fundamentally

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the last thing between us and
total collapses of democracy.

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And I'm only slightly
exaggerating.

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Why do I say that?

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Because the Congressional
Budget Office is a truly--

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it's hard to imagine
these words still

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exist in America-- but a truly
nonpartisan institution that

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is in charge of what's called
scoring government policies.

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So let's say you've got a bill
and you want to do something.

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You want to provide free
health care to veterans

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or whatever CBO takes your
bill, takes the bill language,

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and estimates what
it's going to cost.

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They have models of the type
we'll discuss this semester.

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And they form
estimates, including

00:23:26.300 --> 00:23:29.980 align:middle line:84%
both direct and indirect effects
of what it's going to cost.

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And that becomes the
official word for Congress.

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And basically,
what that means is

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that if you want to
do some policy that's

00:23:39.740 --> 00:23:43.793 align:middle line:84%
fiscally responsible, CBO is
going to call you out on it.

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So let me give a simple
example of why this matters.

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In 1965, Lyndon Johnson
wanted to introduce

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the Medicare program,
which is universal coverage

00:23:50.620 --> 00:23:52.380 align:middle line:90%
for the elderly.

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He knew it was going to cost x.

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He announced it
would cost 1/10 x.

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And he passed it.

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And no one could really
say he was wrong.

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Now, I like we have Medicare.

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I'm not saying that
was the wrong decision.

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But it's no way to
make a decision.

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We want to know-- we want
our eyes open when we go in

00:24:10.420 --> 00:24:11.920 align:middle line:84%
and think about
government policy.

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We want our eyes wide open
and what we're getting into.

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And that's going
to mean actually

00:24:15.820 --> 00:24:18.080 align:middle line:84%
having objective
scoring of what that is.

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And that's what the CBO does.

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So they really are sort of the
truth tellers in Washington

00:24:24.220 --> 00:24:26.220 align:middle line:84%
about what government
policies are going to cost

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and what they're going to do.

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And we'll refer to them
with great reverence

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throughout the semester.

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Now, to be clear, if
they're projecting a number,

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it is, by definition,
never right.

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It's impossible to project
these things correctly.

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All you want is that the
errors are symmetric.

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You just want an
organization, which

00:24:43.220 --> 00:24:44.860 align:middle line:84%
is not going to get it
right-- you can't hold them

00:24:44.860 --> 00:24:46.022 align:middle line:90%
by how right they get it.

00:24:46.022 --> 00:24:47.980 align:middle line:84%
You just want to make
sure their errors are not

00:24:47.980 --> 00:24:49.543 align:middle line:90%
too large and symmetric.

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One way to see that they
achieve that goal is,

00:24:51.460 --> 00:24:53.460 align:middle line:90%
both parties hate them equally.

00:24:53.460 --> 00:24:54.980 align:middle line:90%
That is a good sign.

00:24:54.980 --> 00:24:57.180 align:middle line:84%
If any party ever starts
defending CBO a lot

00:24:57.180 --> 00:24:59.500 align:middle line:84%
compared to the other,
then that's a problem.

00:24:59.500 --> 00:25:03.320 align:middle line:84%
So we'll talk about that
more in the semester.

00:25:03.320 --> 00:25:07.940 align:middle line:84%
And then the final question
in public finance is the why.

00:25:07.940 --> 00:25:11.380 align:middle line:84%
Why do governments do
the crazy shit they do?

00:25:11.380 --> 00:25:13.580 align:middle line:84%
Why does Canada have
single-payer coverage and we

00:25:13.580 --> 00:25:15.760 align:middle line:84%
have this mixed
private-public system?

00:25:15.760 --> 00:25:18.480 align:middle line:90%


00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:22.060 align:middle line:84%
This, at least, is the field of
what's called political economy,

00:25:22.060 --> 00:25:25.940 align:middle line:90%
political economy.

00:25:25.940 --> 00:25:28.780 align:middle line:84%
Now, this is a really an
entire subfield of economics.

00:25:28.780 --> 00:25:30.280 align:middle line:84%
You can take entire
classes on that.

00:25:30.280 --> 00:25:32.655 align:middle line:84%
In fact, we have the world's
leading political economists

00:25:32.655 --> 00:25:33.540 align:middle line:90%
right here at MIT.

00:25:33.540 --> 00:25:35.713 align:middle line:84%
You can take entire
classes on that.

00:25:35.713 --> 00:25:37.380 align:middle line:84%
We will, unfortunately,
devote a lecture

00:25:37.380 --> 00:25:40.860 align:middle line:90%
to it, which is really unfair.

00:25:40.860 --> 00:25:45.380 align:middle line:84%
It's just it's kind of
not fun and depressing.

00:25:45.380 --> 00:25:47.605 align:middle line:84%
Basically, we're going to
spend the semester talking

00:25:47.605 --> 00:25:49.480 align:middle line:84%
about what a benevolent
government should do.

00:25:49.480 --> 00:25:50.500 align:middle line:84%
And then we'll spend
a lecture talking

00:25:50.500 --> 00:25:51.550 align:middle line:84%
about why governments
aren't benevolent

00:25:51.550 --> 00:25:52.860 align:middle line:90%
and they screw everything up.

00:25:52.860 --> 00:25:54.140 align:middle line:84%
And then I'll say, oh,
well, let's go back

00:25:54.140 --> 00:25:56.120 align:middle line:84%
and assume what benevolent
governments can do.

00:25:56.120 --> 00:25:58.453 align:middle line:84%
That's not quite right, because
throughout the semester,

00:25:58.453 --> 00:26:00.820 align:middle line:84%
I'll talk about some political
realities that intervene

00:26:00.820 --> 00:26:02.218 align:middle line:90%
in doing the right thing.

00:26:02.218 --> 00:26:03.760 align:middle line:84%
But political economy
is fascinating.

00:26:03.760 --> 00:26:04.677 align:middle line:90%
It's really important.

00:26:04.677 --> 00:26:05.930 align:middle line:90%
It's increasingly important.

00:26:05.930 --> 00:26:07.680 align:middle line:84%
And we'll spend some
time on this semester

00:26:07.680 --> 00:26:09.980 align:middle line:84%
but not nearly as
much as it deserves.

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OK.

00:26:11.180 --> 00:26:13.720 align:middle line:84%
Questions about
the four questions?

00:26:13.720 --> 00:26:14.220 align:middle line:90%
Yeah?

00:26:14.220 --> 00:26:16.167 align:middle line:90%
AUDIENCE: I'm just curious.

00:26:16.167 --> 00:26:18.500 align:middle line:84%
Who's the person who does a
lot of the work [INAUDIBLE]?

00:26:18.500 --> 00:26:19.800 align:middle line:84%
JON GRUBER: Well, no,
we have economists.

00:26:19.800 --> 00:26:20.342 align:middle line:90%
We have many.

00:26:20.342 --> 00:26:24.220 align:middle line:84%
We have Daron Acemoglu, Ben
Olken, Abhijit Banerjee.

00:26:24.220 --> 00:26:26.660 align:middle line:84%
We just hired a guy
named Jacob Moscona.

00:26:26.660 --> 00:26:29.115 align:middle line:90%
We have a ton of--

00:26:29.115 --> 00:26:30.740 align:middle line:84%
really, we have, by
far, the best group

00:26:30.740 --> 00:26:33.203 align:middle line:90%
doing that in the world.

00:26:33.203 --> 00:26:35.620 align:middle line:84%
And probably the single book
and political economists book

00:26:35.620 --> 00:26:38.060 align:middle line:84%
called Why Nations
Fail by Daron Acemoglu

00:26:38.060 --> 00:26:39.280 align:middle line:90%
sold, like, a million copies.

00:26:39.280 --> 00:26:44.740 align:middle line:84%
It's probably the central book
of political economy today.

00:26:44.740 --> 00:26:45.280 align:middle line:90%
All right.

00:26:45.280 --> 00:26:48.060 align:middle line:90%
Other questions?

00:26:48.060 --> 00:26:48.900 align:middle line:90%
OK.

00:26:48.900 --> 00:26:51.380 align:middle line:84%
So now let's go on to the
next thing I want to cover

00:26:51.380 --> 00:26:54.420 align:middle line:84%
this lecture, which
is, why should we care?

00:26:54.420 --> 00:26:55.920 align:middle line:90%
What's going on?

00:26:55.920 --> 00:26:57.320 align:middle line:90%
Why does any of this matter?

00:26:57.320 --> 00:26:58.500 align:middle line:90%
And to do that--

00:26:58.500 --> 00:26:59.080 align:middle line:90%
we're at MIT.

00:26:59.080 --> 00:27:00.580 align:middle line:84%
I want to motivate
that with some facts.

00:27:00.580 --> 00:27:01.640 align:middle line:90%
So let's go to the handout.

00:27:01.640 --> 00:27:03.807 align:middle line:84%
You should all have grabbed
a handout from up front.

00:27:03.807 --> 00:27:07.140 align:middle line:84%
By the way, every lecture, there
will be a handout to pick up.

00:27:07.140 --> 00:27:08.993 align:middle line:90%
Make sure you pick it up.

00:27:08.993 --> 00:27:10.410 align:middle line:84%
Also, if you have
the book online,

00:27:10.410 --> 00:27:11.618 align:middle line:90%
you can look on your laptops.

00:27:11.618 --> 00:27:12.590 align:middle line:90%
It's not a problem.

00:27:12.590 --> 00:27:14.430 align:middle line:84%
You don't have to
look at it on paper.

00:27:14.430 --> 00:27:15.930 align:middle line:84%
But if you don't
have your laptop,

00:27:15.930 --> 00:27:19.025 align:middle line:84%
you don't have access
to the chapters--

00:27:19.025 --> 00:27:21.150 align:middle line:84%
the handouts will always
just be tables and figures

00:27:21.150 --> 00:27:22.197 align:middle line:90%
from every chapter.

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If you access to the
chapters online, great.

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If not, you can grab a handout.

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OK.

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So this is from section
1.2 of the book, which is

00:27:28.798 --> 00:27:30.090 align:middle line:90%
the facts about the government.

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Let's go through facts
about the government.

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Figure 1.2 is the growth in
the size of the US government,

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the percent of GDP
that is spending

00:27:38.390 --> 00:27:40.590 align:middle line:84%
by the federal
government over time.

00:27:40.590 --> 00:27:42.690 align:middle line:84%
What you see is
that when we started

00:27:42.690 --> 00:27:44.690 align:middle line:84%
collecting this data
around the Great Recession,

00:27:44.690 --> 00:27:46.910 align:middle line:84%
the federal government
was very small.

00:27:46.910 --> 00:27:49.870 align:middle line:84%
About 5% of GDP was
government expenditures.

00:27:49.870 --> 00:27:52.670 align:middle line:84%
It then exploded
during World War II,

00:27:52.670 --> 00:27:55.390 align:middle line:84%
then settled back to
a slowly-rising trend,

00:27:55.390 --> 00:28:00.290 align:middle line:84%
really peaking in
about the 1980s.

00:28:00.290 --> 00:28:01.890 align:middle line:90%
Then it went back up om 2010.

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If this graph went into COVID,
you'd see a big peak in 2021.

00:28:06.790 --> 00:28:09.310 align:middle line:84%
2021, the government
spending went up

00:28:09.310 --> 00:28:12.830 align:middle line:84%
to over 30% of the economy,
the biggest since World War II.

00:28:12.830 --> 00:28:17.013 align:middle line:84%
And now it's back down to
about 25% of the economy.

00:28:17.013 --> 00:28:18.930 align:middle line:84%
So basically, if you
want to extend this line,

00:28:18.930 --> 00:28:21.330 align:middle line:90%
it goes up to about 30% in 2021.

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And today, it's back down about
24%, I think, of the economy.

00:28:25.590 --> 00:28:27.870 align:middle line:84%
So this raises
natural questions,

00:28:27.870 --> 00:28:30.270 align:middle line:84%
such as well, what is the
right percent of the economy

00:28:30.270 --> 00:28:31.510 align:middle line:90%
for the government?

00:28:31.510 --> 00:28:33.390 align:middle line:90%
And why did it grow?

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And is it good that it
grew or bad that it grew?

00:28:36.430 --> 00:28:38.222 align:middle line:84%
You should be looking
at graphs like this.

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That's the central question
you want to ask yourself,

00:28:40.430 --> 00:28:43.970 align:middle line:84%
is, what does this all mean for
what the US government's doing,

00:28:43.970 --> 00:28:46.480 align:middle line:84%
both what it's done and
what it should be doing?

00:28:46.480 --> 00:28:48.230 align:middle line:84%
So that's one sort of
facts we'll look at.

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And comparatively, you
can look at figure 1-2.

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This shows the growth
of government spending.

00:28:55.890 --> 00:28:56.910 align:middle line:90%
Now, let me be clear.

00:28:56.910 --> 00:28:58.450 align:middle line:84%
Sometimes these figures
look contradictory.

00:28:58.450 --> 00:29:00.075 align:middle line:84%
If you note, the US
line in this figure

00:29:00.075 --> 00:29:01.950 align:middle line:84%
is higher than the
previous figure, that's

00:29:01.950 --> 00:29:04.430 align:middle line:84%
because this includes all
of government-- federal

00:29:04.430 --> 00:29:05.570 align:middle line:90%
and state and local.

00:29:05.570 --> 00:29:06.950 align:middle line:90%
I'll come to that in a minute.

00:29:06.950 --> 00:29:08.770 align:middle line:84%
This is total size
of government.

00:29:08.770 --> 00:29:11.790 align:middle line:84%
And what you see here is,
you can see the US growth

00:29:11.790 --> 00:29:15.950 align:middle line:90%
in the orangish line.

00:29:15.950 --> 00:29:17.447 align:middle line:84%
And you compare
that to the average

00:29:17.447 --> 00:29:18.530 align:middle line:90%
among developed countries.

00:29:18.530 --> 00:29:19.905 align:middle line:84%
Our indicator
developed countries

00:29:19.905 --> 00:29:22.090 align:middle line:84%
is called the OECD, the
Organization of Economic--

00:29:22.090 --> 00:29:24.273 align:middle line:90%
I don't know what it stands for.

00:29:24.273 --> 00:29:25.190 align:middle line:90%
O is for Organization.

00:29:25.190 --> 00:29:26.690 align:middle line:90%
I know that.

00:29:26.690 --> 00:29:29.850 align:middle line:84%
And that's our set of
developed country counterparts.

00:29:29.850 --> 00:29:32.710 align:middle line:84%
You see, actually, we started
about the same place as OECD

00:29:32.710 --> 00:29:34.070 align:middle line:90%
in 1960.

00:29:34.070 --> 00:29:36.310 align:middle line:84%
OECD countries have grown
somewhat more than the US

00:29:36.310 --> 00:29:40.120 align:middle line:84%
over time, although
they've come back in line.

00:29:40.120 --> 00:29:41.870 align:middle line:84%
You see two interesting
different patterns

00:29:41.870 --> 00:29:43.650 align:middle line:84%
in Sweden and Greece,
just two examples.

00:29:43.650 --> 00:29:45.830 align:middle line:84%
Sweden, spending by
the government exploded

00:29:45.830 --> 00:29:49.150 align:middle line:84%
in the 1970s, to the
point where, by 1980,

00:29:49.150 --> 00:29:53.647 align:middle line:84%
2/3 of all activity in the
Swedish economy was government.

00:29:53.647 --> 00:29:55.730 align:middle line:84%
That was a huge number
that persisted for a while,

00:29:55.730 --> 00:29:57.617 align:middle line:84%
but it started to
fall again over time.

00:29:57.617 --> 00:29:59.450 align:middle line:84%
Sweden then started
reducing that over time,

00:29:59.450 --> 00:30:02.470 align:middle line:84%
and it's actually come
back down to about 50%.

00:30:02.470 --> 00:30:05.230 align:middle line:84%
Compare that to Greece,
which, for many, many years,

00:30:05.230 --> 00:30:10.190 align:middle line:84%
was well below the OECD average
and then exploded in the 1990s,

00:30:10.190 --> 00:30:13.990 align:middle line:84%
ultimately leading to what we
know as the Greek debt crisis

00:30:13.990 --> 00:30:18.710 align:middle line:84%
about a decade ago, and
is now spending at a level

00:30:18.710 --> 00:30:23.070 align:middle line:84%
that's comparable to Sweden
and above the OECD average.

00:30:23.070 --> 00:30:25.310 align:middle line:84%
So once again, lots of
different patterns--

00:30:25.310 --> 00:30:28.010 align:middle line:84%
why did Sweden explode in
the '70s then come back down?

00:30:28.010 --> 00:30:30.093 align:middle line:90%
Why did Greece explode later?

00:30:30.093 --> 00:30:32.510 align:middle line:84%
These are the kind of things
we want to try to understand.

00:30:32.510 --> 00:30:34.650 align:middle line:84%
And what were the
effects of all those?

00:30:34.650 --> 00:30:37.470 align:middle line:90%


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Fact number 3, figure 1.3, the
highly-technical figure 1.3

00:30:43.390 --> 00:30:46.310 align:middle line:84%
shows the division of what
the US government does

00:30:46.310 --> 00:30:51.150 align:middle line:84%
between federal and state
and local expenditures,

00:30:51.150 --> 00:30:53.390 align:middle line:84%
or what we might
call the central

00:30:53.390 --> 00:30:57.550 align:middle line:84%
and the decentralized
part of the US government.

00:30:57.550 --> 00:31:00.030 align:middle line:84%
Now, what you see here is,
federal expenditures are about

00:31:00.030 --> 00:31:05.160 align:middle line:84%
2/3 of total
government expenditure.

00:31:05.160 --> 00:31:11.000 align:middle line:84%
Now, that actually is
pretty steady over time

00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:14.280 align:middle line:84%
but changed dramatically
during COVID

00:31:14.280 --> 00:31:17.560 align:middle line:84%
when the federal share
went much, much higher.

00:31:17.560 --> 00:31:20.260 align:middle line:84%
Now it's slowly returning back
to that long-run steady state--

00:31:20.260 --> 00:31:22.100 align:middle line:84%
and differs enormously
across countries.

00:31:22.100 --> 00:31:25.240 align:middle line:84%
We'll see in Chapter 10,
where we discuss this,

00:31:25.240 --> 00:31:28.040 align:middle line:84%
the US government is relatively
unusual in how little is

00:31:28.040 --> 00:31:29.560 align:middle line:90%
done by the central government.

00:31:29.560 --> 00:31:32.600 align:middle line:84%
Most other countries
have a much larger share

00:31:32.600 --> 00:31:34.060 align:middle line:84%
of the government
expenditures run

00:31:34.060 --> 00:31:36.060 align:middle line:84%
through the central
government than the US does.

00:31:36.060 --> 00:31:40.800 align:middle line:84%
We have a relatively
decentralized government.

00:31:40.800 --> 00:31:42.760 align:middle line:84%
A relatively large
share of our spending

00:31:42.760 --> 00:31:44.240 align:middle line:84%
goes through states
and localities

00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:46.440 align:middle line:84%
as opposed to the
federal government.

00:31:46.440 --> 00:31:48.320 align:middle line:84%
This raises a set of
questions you probably

00:31:48.320 --> 00:31:50.903 align:middle line:84%
haven't thought a lot about, but
which are really interesting,

00:31:50.903 --> 00:31:53.240 align:middle line:84%
that go into the name of
fiscal federalism, which

00:31:53.240 --> 00:31:56.240 align:middle line:84%
is, what should be done at
what level of government?

00:31:56.240 --> 00:31:59.160 align:middle line:84%
Why is defense done by the
federal government and education

00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:00.920 align:middle line:90%
done by towns?

00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:04.360 align:middle line:84%
Why are roads and
police done by towns

00:32:04.360 --> 00:32:06.800 align:middle line:84%
but welfare programs,
like Medicaid and the FTC,

00:32:06.800 --> 00:32:08.920 align:middle line:90%
are run by states?

00:32:08.920 --> 00:32:09.780 align:middle line:90%
Does it make sense?

00:32:09.780 --> 00:32:11.655 align:middle line:84%
Is it done for some
random historical reason,

00:32:11.655 --> 00:32:14.100 align:middle line:84%
or is there actually a strong
theoretical basis behind it?

00:32:14.100 --> 00:32:16.920 align:middle line:84%
I'll argue there is, actually,
and that, actually, there's

00:32:16.920 --> 00:32:19.865 align:middle line:84%
a solid explanation for why we
distribute things the way we do.

00:32:19.865 --> 00:32:21.240 align:middle line:84%
And that's the
purview of what we

00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:26.840 align:middle line:84%
call fiscal federalism, which is
what we'll cover in chapter 10.

00:32:26.840 --> 00:32:31.200 align:middle line:84%
So that's the third fact
I want you to focus on.

00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:34.200 align:middle line:84%
The fourth set of facts are
around the government's budget

00:32:34.200 --> 00:32:34.940 align:middle line:90%
balance.

00:32:34.940 --> 00:32:38.420 align:middle line:84%
Now, this course is distinctly
a microeconomics course.

00:32:38.420 --> 00:32:40.298 align:middle line:84%
We'll do incredibly
little macro.

00:32:40.298 --> 00:32:41.840 align:middle line:84%
Basically, the only
macro in the book

00:32:41.840 --> 00:32:44.280 align:middle line:84%
is contained in chapter
4, which you'll cover

00:32:44.280 --> 00:32:46.200 align:middle line:90%
in section in a few weeks.

00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:53.040 align:middle line:84%
But this sort of notion
that deficits are bad

00:32:53.040 --> 00:32:55.320 align:middle line:84%
lies behind a lot of
what we'll talk about

00:32:55.320 --> 00:32:56.560 align:middle line:90%
throughout this semester.

00:32:56.560 --> 00:32:58.360 align:middle line:90%
Now, is that notion correct?

00:32:58.360 --> 00:33:00.760 align:middle line:84%
You'll talk about it in
section in chapter 4.

00:33:00.760 --> 00:33:03.080 align:middle line:84%
But nonetheless, it's a
focus of a lot of what we'll

00:33:03.080 --> 00:33:05.780 align:middle line:84%
talk about as an
underlying-- in other words,

00:33:05.780 --> 00:33:08.000 align:middle line:84%
we're going to talk about
throughout this notion

00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:10.260 align:middle line:84%
that the government doesn't
have an unlimited budget.

00:33:10.260 --> 00:33:12.680 align:middle line:84%
It's got to eventually
pay its bills.

00:33:12.680 --> 00:33:14.560 align:middle line:84%
In chapter 4, we
talk about why that's

00:33:14.560 --> 00:33:17.640 align:middle line:84%
a framework that makes sense
and where it comes from.

00:33:17.640 --> 00:33:20.658 align:middle line:84%
But for the rest of the book,
we'll just take that as given.

00:33:20.658 --> 00:33:22.700 align:middle line:84%
Now, what are the facts
on the government budget?

00:33:22.700 --> 00:33:24.320 align:middle line:90%
Well, it's rather interesting.

00:33:24.320 --> 00:33:27.760 align:middle line:84%
Once again, you see
that expenditures

00:33:27.760 --> 00:33:30.440 align:middle line:84%
we saw before-- this is now
back to the federal level only.

00:33:30.440 --> 00:33:32.460 align:middle line:84%
You see, revenues,
except for World War II,

00:33:32.460 --> 00:33:34.755 align:middle line:84%
were largely in line
with expenditures.

00:33:34.755 --> 00:33:36.380 align:middle line:84%
And therefore, except
for World War II,

00:33:36.380 --> 00:33:41.440 align:middle line:84%
until about the early '70s, we
had a zero surplus or deficit.

00:33:41.440 --> 00:33:44.120 align:middle line:84%
That is, government
spending was about the same

00:33:44.120 --> 00:33:47.240 align:middle line:90%
as government revenues.

00:33:47.240 --> 00:33:51.080 align:middle line:84%
Then, starting in the 1970s,
we started building up large

00:33:51.080 --> 00:33:51.740 align:middle line:90%
deficits.

00:33:51.740 --> 00:33:55.840 align:middle line:84%
That's the second panel,
the numbers going below 0.

00:33:55.840 --> 00:33:59.200 align:middle line:84%
And you see the gap between
the red and blue lines growing.

00:33:59.200 --> 00:33:59.780 align:middle line:90%
OK.

00:33:59.780 --> 00:34:02.400 align:middle line:84%
We started to build
up large deficits.

00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:05.585 align:middle line:84%
Then in the 1990s, there was a
boom in tax collections that,

00:34:05.585 --> 00:34:07.960 align:middle line:84%
actually, we closed the deficit
and actually briefly went

00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:10.052 align:middle line:90%
into surplus.

00:34:10.052 --> 00:34:11.219 align:middle line:90%
I remember was very excited.

00:34:11.219 --> 00:34:12.420 align:middle line:90%
I was in the White House.

00:34:12.420 --> 00:34:13.540 align:middle line:84%
I was in the Clinton
administration.

00:34:13.540 --> 00:34:15.400 align:middle line:84%
I got to be in the
White House when Clinton

00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:19.072 align:middle line:84%
did this big celebration about
how we'd move to surplus,

00:34:19.072 --> 00:34:20.780 align:middle line:84%
and we're going to
end the national debt.

00:34:20.780 --> 00:34:23.780 align:middle line:84%
And then what happened was, of
course, what always happens,

00:34:23.780 --> 00:34:27.199 align:middle line:84%
which is, once President
Bush got elected,

00:34:27.199 --> 00:34:30.239 align:middle line:90%
we went back into deficit.

00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:34.679 align:middle line:84%
That deficit got significant
during both Bush and Obama

00:34:34.679 --> 00:34:38.739 align:middle line:84%
handling the Great Recession
of the late 2008, 2009 period.

00:34:38.739 --> 00:34:41.600 align:middle line:84%
And we'll talk some about
why the Great Recession led

00:34:41.600 --> 00:34:44.080 align:middle line:90%
to such a boom in the deficit.

00:34:44.080 --> 00:34:46.920 align:middle line:84%
It then started to close,
and then COVID hit.

00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:49.380 align:middle line:84%
And once again, this graph
stops at an early point.

00:34:49.380 --> 00:34:52.480 align:middle line:84%
You'll see there the deficit
explodes during COVID

00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:56.489 align:middle line:84%
again because the massive
federal spending on the economy.

00:34:56.489 --> 00:34:58.770 align:middle line:84%
And we'll talk about what
that federal spending was.

00:34:58.770 --> 00:35:01.090 align:middle line:84%
And now it's starting
to close again.

00:35:01.090 --> 00:35:03.270 align:middle line:84%
So basically, if you
extend this graph,

00:35:03.270 --> 00:35:06.590 align:middle line:84%
you'll see the red
line going way up.

00:35:06.590 --> 00:35:11.670 align:middle line:84%
Like I said, we went up to
about 30% of GDP in 2021.

00:35:11.670 --> 00:35:14.115 align:middle line:84%
The blue line stays
pretty much the same.

00:35:14.115 --> 00:35:15.490 align:middle line:84%
And eventually,
now, the red line

00:35:15.490 --> 00:35:17.032 align:middle line:84%
is coming back
towards the blue line.

00:35:17.032 --> 00:35:19.370 align:middle line:84%
But we've got very
large deficits now.

00:35:19.370 --> 00:35:21.090 align:middle line:90%
The result is the national debt.

00:35:21.090 --> 00:35:22.510 align:middle line:90%
Deficit's a flow measure.

00:35:22.510 --> 00:35:24.010 align:middle line:90%
Debt is a stock measure.

00:35:24.010 --> 00:35:27.030 align:middle line:84%
The debt is the accumulation
of all past national deficits.

00:35:27.030 --> 00:35:29.490 align:middle line:84%
And what you see is, we
had a modest national debt

00:35:29.490 --> 00:35:31.250 align:middle line:90%
to World War II.

00:35:31.250 --> 00:35:34.130 align:middle line:84%
World War II caused the national
debt to spike at about 120%

00:35:34.130 --> 00:35:35.450 align:middle line:90%
of GDP.

00:35:35.450 --> 00:35:36.630 align:middle line:90%
It then fell over time.

00:35:36.630 --> 00:35:37.870 align:middle line:90%
Now, here's the clear thing.

00:35:37.870 --> 00:35:40.040 align:middle line:90%
Here's the key thing.

00:35:40.040 --> 00:35:42.290 align:middle line:84%
When you're talking about
aggregate concepts like debt

00:35:42.290 --> 00:35:45.690 align:middle line:84%
or deficit, never talk
about them in dollars.

00:35:45.690 --> 00:35:47.470 align:middle line:84%
Politicians are
very good at this.

00:35:47.470 --> 00:35:49.450 align:middle line:84%
When they want to make
a number sound big,

00:35:49.450 --> 00:35:50.590 align:middle line:84%
they'll talk about
it in dollars.

00:35:50.590 --> 00:35:52.132 align:middle line:84%
To make a number
sound small, they'll

00:35:52.132 --> 00:35:54.810 align:middle line:84%
talk about it as a
percent of something.

00:35:54.810 --> 00:35:56.230 align:middle line:90%
We aren't politicians.

00:35:56.230 --> 00:35:57.450 align:middle line:90%
We care about things right.

00:35:57.450 --> 00:35:58.890 align:middle line:84%
The dollar amount
doesn't matter.

00:35:58.890 --> 00:36:00.650 align:middle line:84%
Dollars are worth different
times a different period

00:36:00.650 --> 00:36:00.990 align:middle line:90%
of time.

00:36:00.990 --> 00:36:01.532 align:middle line:90%
We know that.

00:36:01.532 --> 00:36:03.730 align:middle line:84%
You'll review present
discounted value in chapter 4.

00:36:03.730 --> 00:36:06.748 align:middle line:84%
What matters is the share of the
economy, how big is the debt.

00:36:06.748 --> 00:36:08.790 align:middle line:84%
And what you see is, from
the end of World War II

00:36:08.790 --> 00:36:12.150 align:middle line:84%
all the way to 1980, the debt
shrunk enormously a share

00:36:12.150 --> 00:36:13.650 align:middle line:84%
of the economy, not
because the debt

00:36:13.650 --> 00:36:15.525 align:middle line:84%
fell-- because the
economy grew, and the debt

00:36:15.525 --> 00:36:16.610 align:middle line:90%
didn't grow as fast.

00:36:16.610 --> 00:36:21.088 align:middle line:84%
So we basically grew out
of our debt in that period.

00:36:21.088 --> 00:36:23.630 align:middle line:84%
Then deficits started to rise
and the debt accumulated again.

00:36:23.630 --> 00:36:26.810 align:middle line:84%
It flattened out a bit in the
2000s because we had gotten

00:36:26.810 --> 00:36:27.910 align:middle line:90%
the small deficits.

00:36:27.910 --> 00:36:29.110 align:middle line:90%
Now it's exploded.

00:36:29.110 --> 00:36:31.530 align:middle line:84%
Now we're currently
at approximately

00:36:31.530 --> 00:36:35.090 align:middle line:84%
where we were at the end of
World War II, about 125% of GDP.

00:36:35.090 --> 00:36:42.090 align:middle line:84%
The debt's the largest it's
been now in 70 years, 80 years.

00:36:42.090 --> 00:36:44.030 align:middle line:84%
So once again, how
do we about that?

00:36:44.030 --> 00:36:44.730 align:middle line:90%
Yeah.

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AUDIENCE: When we say that
we grew out of our debt,

00:36:46.390 --> 00:36:48.515 align:middle line:84%
is that referring to the
economy is growing, or did

00:36:48.515 --> 00:36:50.085 align:middle line:90%
we just inflate away the data?

00:36:50.085 --> 00:36:51.710 align:middle line:84%
JON GRUBER: Well,
that's a great point.

00:36:51.710 --> 00:36:52.970 align:middle line:84%
We nominally grew
out of our debt.

00:36:52.970 --> 00:36:54.928 align:middle line:84%
And once again, you'll
cover this in chapter 4.

00:36:54.928 --> 00:36:58.630 align:middle line:84%
What that means is, the debt is
denominated in nominal dollars.

00:36:58.630 --> 00:37:00.545 align:middle line:84%
The nominal economy
grew massively.

00:37:00.545 --> 00:37:01.670 align:middle line:90%
Some of that was inflation.

00:37:01.670 --> 00:37:03.970 align:middle line:84%
A lot of it was
underlying growth.

00:37:03.970 --> 00:37:05.993 align:middle line:90%
Good question.

00:37:05.993 --> 00:37:07.910 align:middle line:84%
So where does that put
us in national context?

00:37:07.910 --> 00:37:10.618 align:middle line:84%
Well, if you look at figure 1-5,
that shows where our debt levels

00:37:10.618 --> 00:37:12.370 align:middle line:90%
are relative to other countries.

00:37:12.370 --> 00:37:14.570 align:middle line:90%
We were right in the middle.

00:37:14.570 --> 00:37:16.342 align:middle line:90%
I'm now revising the textbook.

00:37:16.342 --> 00:37:18.050 align:middle line:84%
We currently have the
second-biggest debt

00:37:18.050 --> 00:37:19.610 align:middle line:90%
in the world.

00:37:19.610 --> 00:37:22.130 align:middle line:84%
So we've gone from being right
in the middle in this graph

00:37:22.130 --> 00:37:26.470 align:middle line:84%
to about second in the
world with our debt.

00:37:26.470 --> 00:37:28.983 align:middle line:90%
So we're large.

00:37:28.983 --> 00:37:31.150 align:middle line:84%
There is, as I said, what
you'll cover in chapter 4.

00:37:31.150 --> 00:37:34.130 align:middle line:84%
There's a constant debate about
whether it's too large, how

00:37:34.130 --> 00:37:35.890 align:middle line:90%
worried we should be.

00:37:35.890 --> 00:37:38.390 align:middle line:84%
We don't need to get in that
debate other than to say,

00:37:38.390 --> 00:37:40.810 align:middle line:84%
in general, we're going to
operate under the concept

00:37:40.810 --> 00:37:43.130 align:middle line:84%
that all else equal, it's
better to not spend money

00:37:43.130 --> 00:37:44.710 align:middle line:90%
than to spend money.

00:37:44.710 --> 00:37:47.290 align:middle line:84%
All else equal, we don't
want to burn money,

00:37:47.290 --> 00:37:51.650 align:middle line:84%
that that's the underlying
principle with which we'll

00:37:51.650 --> 00:37:54.520 align:middle line:90%
operate.

00:37:54.520 --> 00:37:58.370 align:middle line:90%
Now let's now turn to-- oh.

00:37:58.370 --> 00:38:01.438 align:middle line:84%
Then it was interesting--
if you look at figure 1-6--

00:38:01.438 --> 00:38:02.230 align:middle line:90%
that's interesting.

00:38:02.230 --> 00:38:03.530 align:middle line:90%
This is state and local.

00:38:03.530 --> 00:38:05.250 align:middle line:84%
Note the difference the way
state and local governments

00:38:05.250 --> 00:38:05.630 align:middle line:90%
operate.

00:38:05.630 --> 00:38:07.797 align:middle line:84%
State and local governments
are generally in surplus

00:38:07.797 --> 00:38:09.490 align:middle line:90%
and never in deficit.

00:38:09.490 --> 00:38:10.590 align:middle line:90%
Why is that?

00:38:10.590 --> 00:38:12.342 align:middle line:90%
Well, because it's the law.

00:38:12.342 --> 00:38:14.050 align:middle line:84%
States have what's
called balanced budget

00:38:14.050 --> 00:38:18.767 align:middle line:84%
requirements that mandate that
they can never be in deficit.

00:38:18.767 --> 00:38:20.350 align:middle line:84%
And I think, well,
that's a good idea.

00:38:20.350 --> 00:38:22.300 align:middle line:84%
Why didn't the federal
government have that?

00:38:22.300 --> 00:38:23.550 align:middle line:90%
Well, that's a great question.

00:38:23.550 --> 00:38:25.310 align:middle line:84%
That will be part of what
you discuss in chapter 4,

00:38:25.310 --> 00:38:26.530 align:middle line:90%
we'll discuss elsewhere.

00:38:26.530 --> 00:38:29.850 align:middle line:84%
But the answer is, because of
the macro stuff we don't cover,

00:38:29.850 --> 00:38:34.410 align:middle line:84%
that basically, a
standard way to fight

00:38:34.410 --> 00:38:36.810 align:middle line:84%
macroeconomic cyclical
fluctuations through government

00:38:36.810 --> 00:38:38.950 align:middle line:84%
spending, that's the
standard Keynesian model.

00:38:38.950 --> 00:38:39.890 align:middle line:84%
And you wouldn't
want the government

00:38:39.890 --> 00:38:41.970 align:middle line:84%
not to be able to spend
in bad times, which

00:38:41.970 --> 00:38:43.850 align:middle line:84%
is why, even if a
state-level balanced budget

00:38:43.850 --> 00:38:48.210 align:middle line:84%
requirement makes sense, a
federal level one does not.

00:38:48.210 --> 00:38:50.490 align:middle line:84%
Now, the next thing
we're going to talk about

00:38:50.490 --> 00:38:54.250 align:middle line:84%
is, what does the government
actually do with all this money?

00:38:54.250 --> 00:38:55.810 align:middle line:90%
And that's in figure 1-7.

00:38:55.810 --> 00:38:58.570 align:middle line:90%


00:38:58.570 --> 00:39:02.690 align:middle line:84%
This shows-- figure 1-7,
there's four panels.

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The left panels are for 1960,
the right panels for 2019.

00:39:07.530 --> 00:39:10.650 align:middle line:84%
The upper is federal government,
the lower state and local

00:39:10.650 --> 00:39:11.378 align:middle line:90%
government.

00:39:11.378 --> 00:39:13.170 align:middle line:84%
And this, I think, will
have a lot of facts

00:39:13.170 --> 00:39:14.128 align:middle line:90%
you may not have known.

00:39:14.128 --> 00:39:17.570 align:middle line:84%
For example, in 1960,
the federal government

00:39:17.570 --> 00:39:20.907 align:middle line:84%
basically spent about half
its dollars on defense.

00:39:20.907 --> 00:39:21.990 align:middle line:90%
And other stuff was small.

00:39:21.990 --> 00:39:26.890 align:middle line:84%
In particular, education,
housing, and welfare

00:39:26.890 --> 00:39:28.130 align:middle line:90%
was about 3.6%.

00:39:28.130 --> 00:39:31.330 align:middle line:84%
And healthcare
spending was 2.7%.

00:39:31.330 --> 00:39:33.650 align:middle line:84%
Today, healthcare spending
is the single largest thing

00:39:33.650 --> 00:39:34.483 align:middle line:90%
the government does.

00:39:34.483 --> 00:39:36.210 align:middle line:90%
It's gone up tenfold.

00:39:36.210 --> 00:39:39.930 align:middle line:84%
So over the 60 years
from 1960 to 2019,

00:39:39.930 --> 00:39:42.490 align:middle line:84%
healthcare spending went from
2.6% of the government budget

00:39:42.490 --> 00:39:44.860 align:middle line:84%
to 30% of the
government's budget.

00:39:44.860 --> 00:39:49.060 align:middle line:90%
Defense shrunk from 47% to 14%.

00:39:49.060 --> 00:39:51.260 align:middle line:90%
Social Security's gone up some.

00:39:51.260 --> 00:39:53.940 align:middle line:90%
Net interest is comparable.

00:39:53.940 --> 00:39:57.200 align:middle line:84%
And basically, as the
economist, Paul Krugman wrote,

00:39:57.200 --> 00:40:00.740 align:middle line:84%
the US government has become
a large social pension fund

00:40:00.740 --> 00:40:03.280 align:middle line:90%
with a small army attached--

00:40:03.280 --> 00:40:04.280 align:middle line:90%
is kind of where we are.

00:40:04.280 --> 00:40:06.780 align:middle line:84%
We've changed massively in how
we spend our dollars compared

00:40:06.780 --> 00:40:08.860 align:middle line:90%
to 1960.

00:40:08.860 --> 00:40:10.560 align:middle line:84%
Now compare that
to the state level.

00:40:10.560 --> 00:40:13.740 align:middle line:84%
At the state level, things
haven't changed as much.

00:40:13.740 --> 00:40:18.060 align:middle line:84%
Health spending has also
grown at the state level.

00:40:18.060 --> 00:40:20.740 align:middle line:84%
Education spending
shrunk a little bit.

00:40:20.740 --> 00:40:23.620 align:middle line:84%
Other, whatever it is,
is about comparable.

00:40:23.620 --> 00:40:25.680 align:middle line:84%
What's more interesting
is less the growth.

00:40:25.680 --> 00:40:28.520 align:middle line:84%
It's more interesting, the
comparison from up versus down.

00:40:28.520 --> 00:40:30.563 align:middle line:84%
Look at the fundamentally
different things

00:40:30.563 --> 00:40:32.980 align:middle line:84%
that the federal government
and state and local government

00:40:32.980 --> 00:40:33.880 align:middle line:90%
spend their money on.

00:40:33.880 --> 00:40:35.672 align:middle line:84%
The federal government's
spending its money

00:40:35.672 --> 00:40:37.500 align:middle line:84%
on health and Social
Security and defense.

00:40:37.500 --> 00:40:40.568 align:middle line:84%
But education, welfare, and
housing together are 8%.

00:40:40.568 --> 00:40:42.860 align:middle line:84%
Well, a third of what state
and local governments spend

00:40:42.860 --> 00:40:45.540 align:middle line:90%
the money on is education.

00:40:45.540 --> 00:40:48.980 align:middle line:84%
And they spend nothing on
defense and, comparable,

00:40:48.980 --> 00:40:50.580 align:middle line:90%
somewhat less on health.

00:40:50.580 --> 00:40:52.780 align:middle line:84%
So that raises a question
I already asked, which is,

00:40:52.780 --> 00:40:56.543 align:middle line:84%
why are these different spending
done in such different ways

00:40:56.543 --> 00:40:57.960 align:middle line:84%
at different levels
of government?

00:40:57.960 --> 00:40:58.960 align:middle line:90%
Does it make sense?

00:40:58.960 --> 00:41:00.460 align:middle line:90%
What are the effects of that?

00:41:00.460 --> 00:41:02.180 align:middle line:84%
That's a really
fascinating question

00:41:02.180 --> 00:41:05.540 align:middle line:84%
that we cover under
fiscal federalism.

00:41:05.540 --> 00:41:07.600 align:middle line:84%
Now, that's how the
government spends its money.

00:41:07.600 --> 00:41:09.267 align:middle line:84%
How does the government
raise its money?

00:41:09.267 --> 00:41:11.980 align:middle line:90%


00:41:11.980 --> 00:41:15.340 align:middle line:84%
Well, figure 1-8 gives the
source of federal receipts.

00:41:15.340 --> 00:41:17.700 align:middle line:84%
Now, here, what's
interesting is--

00:41:17.700 --> 00:41:20.740 align:middle line:84%
once again, 1960
versus now 2020.

00:41:20.740 --> 00:41:21.520 align:middle line:90%
Top is federal.

00:41:21.520 --> 00:41:22.852 align:middle line:90%
Bottom is state and local.

00:41:22.852 --> 00:41:24.560 align:middle line:84%
What's interesting
here is, first of all,

00:41:24.560 --> 00:41:26.620 align:middle line:84%
the share of federal
revenues from income tax

00:41:26.620 --> 00:41:28.700 align:middle line:90%
has basically not changed.

00:41:28.700 --> 00:41:30.980 align:middle line:84%
We consistently get
slightly less than half

00:41:30.980 --> 00:41:33.340 align:middle line:84%
of our federal revenues
from income taxes.

00:41:33.340 --> 00:41:35.950 align:middle line:84%
Now, we'll talk about what
income taxes are later.

00:41:35.950 --> 00:41:37.700 align:middle line:84%
We'll talk about
different kinds of taxes.

00:41:37.700 --> 00:41:39.325 align:middle line:84%
Basically, with
different kinds of tax,

00:41:39.325 --> 00:41:41.003 align:middle line:84%
we tax income tax on
your whole income.

00:41:41.003 --> 00:41:42.420 align:middle line:84%
On the other hand,
we have what we

00:41:42.420 --> 00:41:46.540 align:middle line:84%
call social insurance
contributions or also payroll

00:41:46.540 --> 00:41:49.180 align:middle line:84%
taxes, which are that FICA
line and Medicare line

00:41:49.180 --> 00:41:50.460 align:middle line:90%
on your pay stub.

00:41:50.460 --> 00:41:53.500 align:middle line:84%
Those are collected just on
your pay but not other income.

00:41:53.500 --> 00:41:55.520 align:middle line:90%
That's where the real change is.

00:41:55.520 --> 00:41:57.460 align:middle line:84%
And then we also
have corporate taxes,

00:41:57.460 --> 00:42:00.340 align:middle line:84%
which is taxes on the
profits made by corporations.

00:42:00.340 --> 00:42:02.100 align:middle line:84%
And here's the
fundamental change.

00:42:02.100 --> 00:42:05.100 align:middle line:84%
We've gone from
corporate taxes being 23%

00:42:05.100 --> 00:42:08.340 align:middle line:84%
and social insurance being
17% to corporate taxes being

00:42:08.340 --> 00:42:11.140 align:middle line:84%
6% and social
insurance being 39%.

00:42:11.140 --> 00:42:12.740 align:middle line:84%
We've basically
massively shifted

00:42:12.740 --> 00:42:17.237 align:middle line:84%
from corporations paying taxes
to pay to workers paying taxes.

00:42:17.237 --> 00:42:18.320 align:middle line:90%
How do we feel about that?

00:42:18.320 --> 00:42:19.780 align:middle line:90%
Well, at first, that sounds bad.

00:42:19.780 --> 00:42:22.100 align:middle line:84%
Big corporation should
pay tax, not workers.

00:42:22.100 --> 00:42:24.960 align:middle line:84%
But then you realize that
corporations pay the workers.

00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:26.460 align:middle line:84%
And if they pay
taxes, maybe they'll

00:42:26.460 --> 00:42:28.040 align:middle line:84%
have less money to
pay the workers.

00:42:28.040 --> 00:42:31.300 align:middle line:84%
And maybe it's not such a big
deal at the end of the day

00:42:31.300 --> 00:42:32.800 align:middle line:84%
if it's corporate
tax or worker tax.

00:42:32.800 --> 00:42:33.520 align:middle line:90%
It's all the same pot.

00:42:33.520 --> 00:42:34.680 align:middle line:84%
There's a bunch of
money firms pay.

00:42:34.680 --> 00:42:37.100 align:middle line:84%
They either pay it to workers or
keeping profits-- doesn't really

00:42:37.100 --> 00:42:37.600 align:middle line:90%
matter.

00:42:37.600 --> 00:42:38.860 align:middle line:90%
It gets taxed.

00:42:38.860 --> 00:42:39.740 align:middle line:90%
Which view is right?

00:42:39.740 --> 00:42:41.900 align:middle line:84%
That's what we'll
cover in chapter 19.

00:42:41.900 --> 00:42:44.380 align:middle line:84%
We talk about tax incidence
or the question of,

00:42:44.380 --> 00:42:46.580 align:middle line:90%
who actually bears the taxes?

00:42:46.580 --> 00:42:48.963 align:middle line:84%
Think about, what does it
mean that our economy has

00:42:48.963 --> 00:42:51.380 align:middle line:84%
gone from one which collects
a large share of its revenues

00:42:51.380 --> 00:42:53.340 align:middle line:84%
from corporations
to one which collect

00:42:53.340 --> 00:42:57.420 align:middle line:84%
a large share of its
revenue from payroll?

00:42:57.420 --> 00:42:59.840 align:middle line:90%
Now, that's spending and taxes.

00:42:59.840 --> 00:43:03.260 align:middle line:84%
But it turns out, much of
what the government does

00:43:03.260 --> 00:43:05.700 align:middle line:90%
does not involve much money.

00:43:05.700 --> 00:43:08.340 align:middle line:84%
And that's the regulatory
role of the government.

00:43:08.340 --> 00:43:12.980 align:middle line:84%
So, for example, the FDA, the
Food and Drug Administration,

00:43:12.980 --> 00:43:17.160 align:middle line:84%
approves all the food you eat,
all the beverage you drink,

00:43:17.160 --> 00:43:18.820 align:middle line:90%
and all the drugs you take.

00:43:18.820 --> 00:43:21.460 align:middle line:84%
Now, the FDA, their
budget is only

00:43:21.460 --> 00:43:26.180 align:middle line:84%
0.025% of the federal
government budget,

00:43:26.180 --> 00:43:31.780 align:middle line:84%
but their regulations affect
on the order of $3 trillion

00:43:31.780 --> 00:43:34.060 align:middle line:90%
of goods annually.

00:43:34.060 --> 00:43:36.850 align:middle line:84%
So they have an outsized
effect, not a lot of spending,

00:43:36.850 --> 00:43:39.390 align:middle line:90%
but a huge regulatory effect.

00:43:39.390 --> 00:43:42.910 align:middle line:84%
Likewise, if you think about
work and think about safety

00:43:42.910 --> 00:43:45.750 align:middle line:84%
at work, the OSHA, the
Occupational Safety Hazard

00:43:45.750 --> 00:43:49.990 align:middle line:84%
Administration, regulates
the safety of workplaces.

00:43:49.990 --> 00:43:54.310 align:middle line:84%
Once again, the agency
only has 1,850 employees,

00:43:54.310 --> 00:43:57.790 align:middle line:84%
but it is responsible for the
safety of over 10 million work

00:43:57.790 --> 00:43:59.790 align:middle line:90%
sites in America.

00:43:59.790 --> 00:44:02.270 align:middle line:90%
They regulate work safety.

00:44:02.270 --> 00:44:04.030 align:middle line:84%
If you listen to
radio or watch TV,

00:44:04.030 --> 00:44:09.750 align:middle line:84%
that's regulated by the Federal
Communication Commission.

00:44:09.750 --> 00:44:12.330 align:middle line:90%
And they've got a massive reach.

00:44:12.330 --> 00:44:16.423 align:middle line:84%
And then, of course, the water
you drink, the air you breathe,

00:44:16.423 --> 00:44:18.590 align:middle line:84%
that's all regulated by the
Environmental Protection

00:44:18.590 --> 00:44:24.865 align:middle line:84%
Agency, which has a
large staff, but once

00:44:24.865 --> 00:44:26.990 align:middle line:84%
again, small relative to
the giant environment it's

00:44:26.990 --> 00:44:28.110 align:middle line:90%
regulating.

00:44:28.110 --> 00:44:30.990 align:middle line:84%
So the government
has both fiscal roles

00:44:30.990 --> 00:44:36.030 align:middle line:84%
in spending and taxing and
regulatory roles as well.

00:44:36.030 --> 00:44:42.110 align:middle line:84%
Now, what we'll do
in this book is,

00:44:42.110 --> 00:44:44.090 align:middle line:84%
we will cover both
of those roles.

00:44:44.090 --> 00:44:48.510 align:middle line:84%
Let me give you a quick overview
of where the story is going.

00:44:48.510 --> 00:44:54.030 align:middle line:84%
So what we'll do is,
we'll start in chapters 5

00:44:54.030 --> 00:44:58.750 align:middle line:84%
through 11 in talking a lot
about what the government's

00:44:58.750 --> 00:45:02.750 align:middle line:84%
role is in dealing with
externalities and public goods.

00:45:02.750 --> 00:45:05.170 align:middle line:84%
And that's largely
a regulatory role.

00:45:05.170 --> 00:45:07.270 align:middle line:84%
There's some spending
and taxing, but that's

00:45:07.270 --> 00:45:10.710 align:middle line:90%
largely a regulatory role.

00:45:10.710 --> 00:45:12.630 align:middle line:84%
That's the first
segment of the course,

00:45:12.630 --> 00:45:14.773 align:middle line:84%
is externalities
and public goods.

00:45:14.773 --> 00:45:17.190 align:middle line:84%
We'll talk about environment,
environmental externalities,

00:45:17.190 --> 00:45:19.390 align:middle line:90%
health externalities.

00:45:19.390 --> 00:45:22.390 align:middle line:90%
We'll talk about education.

00:45:22.390 --> 00:45:24.570 align:middle line:84%
We'll talk about state
and local public finance.

00:45:24.570 --> 00:45:27.550 align:middle line:84%
And we'll talk about how you
do cost-benefit analysis.

00:45:27.550 --> 00:45:31.460 align:middle line:84%
The second third of the course
is the social insurance function

00:45:31.460 --> 00:45:32.210 align:middle line:90%
of the government.

00:45:32.210 --> 00:45:34.910 align:middle line:84%
That's Social Security,
health insurance,

00:45:34.910 --> 00:45:36.990 align:middle line:84%
all the stuff the government
does to insure us.

00:45:36.990 --> 00:45:39.230 align:middle line:84%
That's largely about
spending and taxing.

00:45:39.230 --> 00:45:42.315 align:middle line:84%
And that's the second
third of the book.

00:45:42.315 --> 00:45:44.690 align:middle line:84%
The third third of the book
is, how do we pay for it all?

00:45:44.690 --> 00:45:46.120 align:middle line:90%
And that's taxation.

00:45:46.120 --> 00:45:47.870 align:middle line:84%
And then we'll cover
all the various forms

00:45:47.870 --> 00:45:49.870 align:middle line:84%
of taxation, how
taxation affects

00:45:49.870 --> 00:45:52.470 align:middle line:84%
our behavior and the
function of the government.

00:45:52.470 --> 00:45:54.670 align:middle line:84%
So that's where we're
going in thirds.

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The midterm is going
to cover slightly less

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than the first half of the
course, the first third and some

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of the social insurance stuff.

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So that's where we're going.

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Now, the last thing I
want to talk about today.

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Let me see.

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Are there any questions
about this so far?

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OK.

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The last thing I want
to talk about today--

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I'll let you go.

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I usually won't
let you out early.

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But I don't like going
to next lectures.

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I like to keep it
a little clean.

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So we'll start
chapter 5 next time.

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Last thing I want
to talk about today

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is, why is this a
particularly exciting time

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to be taking this class?

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Now, in all fairness, I
say that every year, OK?

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But the answer changes.

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This is a really exciting time,
I would argue, for two reasons.

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The first reason is because we
have lived through the largest

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shock to the US-- probably
society-- in a hundred

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years, which was COVID, or at
least 70 years since World War

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II.

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And COVID fundamentally shook
up the whole relationship

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between the government
and the public,

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shook up the whole relationship.

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So think about
the when question.

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When should the
government intervene?

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Basically, under COVID,
the US government

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took charge of the US
economy in a fundamental way

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it never had before.

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We spent-- we never did stuff
in trillions before COVID.

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It was billions.

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Now we're in the
land of trillions.

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We spent $3 trillion
essentially trying

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to keep the US economy afloat
during this fundamental shock,

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between money sent
to unemployed people,

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between money we gave to
firms to try to stay open,

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money we gave to schools to
make sure that they could still

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provide their services,
even though students weren't

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in house, money we gave
to states and localities,

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et cetera, money we
gave to hospitals

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who are dealing with
being overwhelmed

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by COVID patients, et cetera.

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We just gave away money on a
magnitude we never had before.

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So the question is,
was that justified?

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That's the fundamental
when question.

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Should we have done this
massive intervention--

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to be fair, bipartisan,
under both Trump and Biden?

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Then there's the
question, the when

00:48:09.520 --> 00:48:12.960 align:middle line:84%
question about vaccines and
about the regulatory role

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of the government.

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Should the government
have mandated vaccines?

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Should it have mandated
vaccines stronger or weaker?

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Should the government
have mandated masks?

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Should they mandate
it earlier or later?

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What should the government have
said about social distancing?

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COVID is so interesting because
it was the biggest government

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intervention in our economy
we've seen in my lifetime,

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in terms of the government
coming in and regulating

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so many aspects of our life,
spending so much money.

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And now the dust is starting to
settle, realizing we might not

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have done some things right.

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And what lessons can we learn?

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And how can we use those to be
prepared for future government

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interventions?

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OK.

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Pandemics are no longer
going to be once a century.

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They're going to be
more frequent than that.

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So how are we going to be
prepared to deal with them?

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So that's the when question.

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What about the how question?

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Well, let's think about how the
government dealt with COVID.

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The government dealt with
COVID in very different ways.

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On the one hand, the
government provided a lot of--

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spent money directly to
people to support them

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and sent checks to people.

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It gave out a lot of
unemployment insurance.

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Democrats like that.

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On the other hand,
the government

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gave a lot of
money to businesses

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to try to keep
them afloat, things

00:49:29.440 --> 00:49:31.020 align:middle line:84%
like the Paycheck
Protection Program,

00:49:31.020 --> 00:49:33.360 align:middle line:84%
which was loans to small
businesses to stay afloat.

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The Republicans
proposed and like that.

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So there are different ways the
government handed out money.

00:49:38.287 --> 00:49:40.120 align:middle line:84%
There are very different
ways the government

00:49:40.120 --> 00:49:43.640 align:middle line:84%
regulated, with
Republican-leaning states

00:49:43.640 --> 00:49:45.720 align:middle line:84%
tending to have looser
regulations on masks

00:49:45.720 --> 00:49:48.960 align:middle line:84%
and social distancing than
Democratic-leaning states.

00:49:48.960 --> 00:49:51.200 align:middle line:84%
So the how the government
should intervene

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was also critical during COVID.

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So what are the
effects of intervention

00:49:56.383 --> 00:49:57.800 align:middle line:84%
are fascinating
because we've just

00:49:57.800 --> 00:50:01.300 align:middle line:84%
run the largest experiment
in public finance in decades.

00:50:01.300 --> 00:50:02.300 align:middle line:90%
What effect did it have?

00:50:02.300 --> 00:50:04.760 align:middle line:84%
Indeed, we'll talk
sometimes-- there's

00:50:04.760 --> 00:50:08.480 align:middle line:84%
an organization in Harvard
Square called the National

00:50:08.480 --> 00:50:10.640 align:middle line:84%
Bureau of Economic
Research, the NBER.

00:50:10.640 --> 00:50:14.160 align:middle line:84%
This is the nation's preeminent
nonpartisan economic think tank.

00:50:14.160 --> 00:50:16.040 align:middle line:84%
They issue working
papers, which are

00:50:16.040 --> 00:50:19.040 align:middle line:90%
ongoing research in the field.

00:50:19.040 --> 00:50:27.040 align:middle line:84%
And basically, over the
first nine months of COVID,

00:50:27.040 --> 00:50:30.760 align:middle line:84%
about a quarter of all working
papers issued by this group

00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:32.800 align:middle line:90%
were related to COVID.

00:50:32.800 --> 00:50:35.360 align:middle line:84%
There's been a massive
study of the effects

00:50:35.360 --> 00:50:36.880 align:middle line:90%
of all these interventions.

00:50:36.880 --> 00:50:38.920 align:middle line:84%
We've learned really
interesting things

00:50:38.920 --> 00:50:41.740 align:middle line:84%
about the effect of more
generous employment insurance,

00:50:41.740 --> 00:50:43.960 align:middle line:84%
about the effect
of mask mandates,

00:50:43.960 --> 00:50:47.200 align:middle line:84%
about the effect of money
to businesses to stay open.

00:50:47.200 --> 00:50:48.800 align:middle line:84%
We've learned things
from comparing

00:50:48.800 --> 00:50:50.440 align:middle line:90%
the US to other countries.

00:50:50.440 --> 00:50:52.000 align:middle line:90%
We've learned lots from this--

00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:55.280 align:middle line:84%
we've run a massive experiment,
and we're learning from it.

00:50:55.280 --> 00:51:01.660 align:middle line:84%
And then, finally, there's, why
does government do what it do?

00:51:01.660 --> 00:51:04.640 align:middle line:84%
So here's a fundamentally
interesting question.

00:51:04.640 --> 00:51:07.160 align:middle line:84%
In the US, when COVID
hit, we basically

00:51:07.160 --> 00:51:11.280 align:middle line:84%
let companies shut and gave
people unemployment insurance.

00:51:11.280 --> 00:51:14.880 align:middle line:84%
In Europe, they paid
companies to stay open

00:51:14.880 --> 00:51:17.080 align:middle line:84%
and didn't give
unemployment insurance.

00:51:17.080 --> 00:51:18.340 align:middle line:90%
Which was the right approach?

00:51:18.340 --> 00:51:20.400 align:middle line:90%
How do we think about that?

00:51:20.400 --> 00:51:23.010 align:middle line:84%
Why did they do
things so differently?

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That's the questions we'll
tackle in political economy.

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So that's the first reason why
this semester is particularly

00:51:27.890 --> 00:51:30.348 align:middle line:84%
interesting, because we've just
run this massive experiment

00:51:30.348 --> 00:51:32.818 align:middle line:84%
that we're starting to learn
about and we can learn from.

00:51:32.818 --> 00:51:34.610 align:middle line:84%
The second reason is,
this course is always

00:51:34.610 --> 00:51:37.495 align:middle line:84%
incredibly fun and tense
to teach an election year.

00:51:37.495 --> 00:51:39.870 align:middle line:84%
And there's no more fun and
tense election than this one.

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I don't know about
fun, but tense.

00:51:43.050 --> 00:51:45.250 align:middle line:84%
We are going to be
hearing and seeing

00:51:45.250 --> 00:51:47.970 align:middle line:84%
a lot of things that will
bear on public finance

00:51:47.970 --> 00:51:50.868 align:middle line:90%
throughout this semester.

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There's going to be a lot of
current topics that are related.

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I am eager for folks to bring
them up and discuss them.

00:51:56.770 --> 00:51:59.330 align:middle line:84%
My partisan leanings
are well known,

00:51:59.330 --> 00:52:01.087 align:middle line:84%
but I'll try to be
pretty objective.

00:52:01.087 --> 00:52:02.670 align:middle line:84%
I'm actually, in the
scheme of things,

00:52:02.670 --> 00:52:05.170 align:middle line:90%
a fairly centrist Democrat.

00:52:05.170 --> 00:52:07.615 align:middle line:90%
So I'll try to be objective.

00:52:07.615 --> 00:52:08.990 align:middle line:84%
I want to hear
people's opinions.

00:52:08.990 --> 00:52:12.410 align:middle line:84%
I want to hear questions
you're thinking about

00:52:12.410 --> 00:52:14.230 align:middle line:84%
as you're thinking
about this election,

00:52:14.230 --> 00:52:16.188 align:middle line:84%
regardless of whether it
determine your voting.

00:52:16.188 --> 00:52:18.812 align:middle line:84%
Just this election is going
to raise-- should we tax tips?

00:52:18.812 --> 00:52:21.270 align:middle line:84%
Both candidates now propose
getting rid of the tax on tips.

00:52:21.270 --> 00:52:22.812 align:middle line:84%
That turns out to
be a terrible idea.

00:52:22.812 --> 00:52:24.490 align:middle line:90%
I'll tell you why.

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So I'm not going to be
shy about my opinions,

00:52:27.250 --> 00:52:29.970 align:middle line:84%
but that doesn't mean that
you shouldn't push back.

00:52:29.970 --> 00:52:32.370 align:middle line:84%
If there are things that
you don't understand,

00:52:32.370 --> 00:52:35.090 align:middle line:84%
if you disagree, if there's just
things that have been covered

00:52:35.090 --> 00:52:37.270 align:middle line:84%
in the news this election
you want to talk about,

00:52:37.270 --> 00:52:38.970 align:middle line:90%
let's talk about them.

00:52:38.970 --> 00:52:42.850 align:middle line:84%
This is the time when public
finances in the news, hopefully

00:52:42.850 --> 00:52:43.350 align:middle line:90%
a lot.

00:52:43.350 --> 00:52:47.450 align:middle line:84%
Hopefully, it's not all news
about personal foibles and vote

00:52:47.450 --> 00:52:50.787 align:middle line:84%
stealing, but rather, news
about public finance questions.

00:52:50.787 --> 00:52:52.870 align:middle line:84%
And so it's a great semester
for discussing those.

00:52:52.870 --> 00:52:56.440 align:middle line:84%
So, once again, I really urge
you to fight your MIT instincts

00:52:56.440 --> 00:52:58.290 align:middle line:84%
to just write everything
down, and instead,

00:52:58.290 --> 00:53:00.410 align:middle line:90%
to go ahead and ask a question.

00:53:00.410 --> 00:53:02.850 align:middle line:84%
And recognize that there
are no stupid questions,

00:53:02.850 --> 00:53:05.758 align:middle line:84%
that any question you ask, many
of your classmates also have.

00:53:05.758 --> 00:53:07.550 align:middle line:84%
And you're helping them
out by asking them.

00:53:07.550 --> 00:53:09.800 align:middle line:84%
So I hope we'll take advantage
of this election season

00:53:09.800 --> 00:53:12.210 align:middle line:84%
to motivate a lot of interesting
discussion we can have.

00:53:12.210 --> 00:53:12.930 align:middle line:90%
OK?

00:53:12.930 --> 00:53:14.780 align:middle line:90%
OK, thanks.

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