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GANG CHEN: So if I give a very
quick summary of what we're

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talking in the first lecture, we
reviewed first and second law.

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And of course, I
assume that you all

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have seen in various courses.

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And this is the maximum
thermodynamic efficiency

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of any heat engine operating
in addition to the reservoirs.

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One is cold, the other is hot.

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So that's the key point.

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And then for many of you,
probably first time is,

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I introduced if you go
to the statistical side,

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the microscopic picture, the
one quantum mechanical state,

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you count how many particles,
either electrons or molecules

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or photons or lattice
vibration photons.

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And for electrons is given
by Fermi-Dirac distribution,

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and where this mu is
the chemical potential.

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That's the energy you need
to take a particle in or out

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of the system.

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And e is the energy
of that quantum state

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and t is the temperature.

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And then say that's for
electrons where the Pauli

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exclusion principle will
state the maximum possibility

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of having an electron in
accordance with this one.

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So this number is
between 0 and 1.

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And then I introduced also the
other type of particles, those--

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the photon electromagnetic
wave or lattice

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vibration we call [? photon ?]
or even molecules.

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This is the Poisson
[INAUDIBLE] distribution

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where, again, this
is the energy and mu

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is the chemical potential.

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But here we're not limited
by the Pauli exclusion.

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So in one quantum state, this
number can be larger than one.

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And if you take out
this minus 1 plus one,

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you go to the classical regime
where we call the distribution

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f, doesn't have that one,
the exponential distribution,

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that's the board's
mass statistics,

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horizontal distribution.

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This is the one you
see in [INAUDIBLE] nor

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in chemical reaction.

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So that's a review
of thermodynamics.

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And then I went on
to heat transfer

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where we have three
modes of heat transfer.

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The first mode is
the heat conduction.

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The [INAUDIBLE] tells
us the heat flux

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is proportional to the thermal
conductivity and the temperature

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gradient.

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But I went one step
further to show you

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in a very simple
kinetic picture,

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just count the number of
molecules going from left

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to right and right to left.

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Then we have a simple expression
for thermal conductivity.

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That's 1/3 c is the specific
heat, v is the velocity,

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and gamma is the mean free path.

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That's how a lot of
the molecules travel.

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So this is the heat
conduction mode.

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And then we have the Newton's
law of cooling for convection

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or the e-transfer's proportional
transfer coefficient area

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and counter difference.

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And the difference is this
heat transfer coefficient

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is no longer property
of the material.

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Thermal conductivity
is a material property.

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And h depends on the
flow configuration,

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natural convection,
forced convection,

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what kind of geometry?

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And then the third
mode of heat transfer

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was the thermal radiation.

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And I gave the
[INAUDIBLE] model,

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that's the maximum emission
of an object in half in the--

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So this is called the
Stefan-Boltzmann law.

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It's proportional to
[INAUDIBLE] fourth power.

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A real object, the
emission is less than that.

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So we normalize the real
object emission by this number,

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we get the so-called
the emissivity.

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So it's a number
between 0 and 1.

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So I moved on at the
end of the last lecture,

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I was trying to show you
the thermal radiation can

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be derived.

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There are continual, and
they give you a derivation

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of the Planck's law again.

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Now we move from continuum
to a microscopic picture.

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And once we go to microscopic,
I use the same strategy,

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I'm going to do the counting,
the number of modes,

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quantum mechanical
state, because I already

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know from statistics each
quantum mechanical state, how

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many photon.

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That's the Poisson
[INAUDIBLE] distribution,

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that's the previous slide here.

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So I know each mode, this is
a number at this temperature.

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That's the number of
photons in the mode.

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And also I commented before
for photon, photon equals 0.

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So we'll use that.

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And the task is really just
count the number of modes.

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So I will take a cubit, and
I assume that the [INAUDIBLE]

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is perfectly reflected.

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And this is a [INAUDIBLE] t.

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And now I want to
see how much is

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radiation energy is
contained inside this cube

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by counting the modes.

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I want to show you this
because we will actually

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use a lot of those
common techniques

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towards electrons,
towards the photons.

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So it's a general way
of doing the counting.

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And of course, we have
the electromagnetic wave.

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So here are our
basic relationships.

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And, you know, the
wavelength times frequency

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equals the speed of light.

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So I write it rather
than wavelengths,

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I write it in terms
of wave vector

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is the numerous wavelengths
and the angular frequency,

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so [INAUDIBLE] to near
relation between the amplitude

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and the c of the wave vector.

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Wave vector is vector,
so it's a kx, ky,

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kz in Cartesian coordinate.

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And that's what we call
the dispersion relation.

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The relation between wave vector
and frequency is dispersion.

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So now I want to see how
many moles in this cavity.

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And then my simple
picture is this

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is the length in
the x direction.

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and because a perfect wall, so
it's reflecting and it's a wave.

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So the only way that
this wave can exist

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is having 0 amplitude
at the end--

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on the surface of the wall.

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So this is-- if
you have a string

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and you want to do the,
go to think about that,

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you play violin and you have
the nodes at the two ends

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and the vibrational
modes at the two ends, 0.

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So we have different modes.

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The first mode is a
half and the second mode

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is including the [INAUDIBLE].

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And I can use this
as my constraint

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in the x direction, that's
the length and a half modes

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or twice or in [INAUDIBLE] and
half mode, half wavelengths.

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So with that I go to, because
if we factor in the x direction

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is just 2 pi over lambda, so
I can write this in terms of n

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and L of x, the
length of the box.

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And if I write that kx, I
can same way write ky and kz,

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so I have a lot more
numbers for this kx, ky, kz.

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And then each set of kx, ky,
kz, if you think about the wave,

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give me a distinct wave.

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And that's one mode, except
that the electromagnetic wave

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you learned before,
it's a transverse wave.

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The sound wave is a
longitudinal wave, right.

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When I speak here,
I'm pressing the air

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and the direction of
propagation of the wave

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is in the same direction
as the air doing

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expansion and contraction.

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So that's a longitudinal wave.

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The transverse wave,
electromagnetic wave

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from the sun, that's direction
to the Earth, the k vector.

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But the electric field,
the magnetic field

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is perpendicular to the
direction of propagation.

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And I have two, so
I put a two here.

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And then I sum up all
the modes, so n number,

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each set of n number, nx,
ny, and z is one mole.

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So I count how many moles
there are inside this cavity.

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So I just sum up all
possible combinations of

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and each combination
of one mode.

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Each mode has a polarization,
vibration direction.

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And then each mode, the
photon has an energy,

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each and every photon has an
energy, that's what we got.

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Yes?

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AUDIENCE: I have a question.

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How does the factor
two relate to the fact

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that the electric field is
transverse to the wave vector?

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GANG CHEN: So when I have
a set of x and y and z,

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so in one case, the electric
field is this direction.

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In the next case
is this direction,

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or other is a
combination of the two.

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So it's not a fundamental mode.

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So you have a factor of 2 is
because in this one set of nx,

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and ny and z, you can have
two possible e directions,

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electric field direction.

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So I do my summation here.

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And the only thing, this is the
trick I will use many times.

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I do my summation because I
don't know how to do it easily,

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analytically, so I'm converting
that summation into integration.

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So if I think about
n at this [INAUDIBLE]

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and the wave vector is
great, but if this separation

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between the energy
is small enough,

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so I can say in
this distance dkx,

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and this is the unit
of this discrete,

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so that's the equivalent
that a continuous number of n

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rather than discrete number n.

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So this is the
equivalent of summation

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into integration as long as
this function doesn't change

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a lot between the [INAUDIBLE].

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And I do that for y
and for z, so this step

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is just for my future.

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What this step means, rather
than doing this effect of two

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hear from 0 to infinite,
which is the standing wave,

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OK, n is an integer, positive
integer is a standing wave,

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I'm going to do from negative
infinity to positive infinite

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because this is a unit
function, And this way,

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I'm really rather than what
I miss is this factor of two,

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I don't have a factor
of two anymore.

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And physically what I'm saying
is the standing wave summation

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is the same as two
propagating wave, [INAUDIBLE]

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propagating wave.

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When kx is negative,
it means going

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negative direction, positive,
going positive direction.

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So this is mathematically
equivalent.

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And later on, a
lot of this minus

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infinity to positive infinite
summation of the standing wave

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summation.

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So it's a more mathematics.

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I can walk you through, but
there's no physics here.

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It's a book doing the latter.

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Are you ready to
hear the dkx, dky,

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so I wrote it into
Cartesian coordinate.

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Now it's not x, y,
z, but kx, ky, kz,

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it's the Cartesian coordinate.

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And three dimensional
integration, the rest

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is just the numerator
here I had before.

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Those numerator are lx,
ly, lz, so 8 pi cubic.

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So that's just a copying
what I had before.

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And x when we got f is
[INAUDIBLE] copying.

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So I'm doing all the copying
now to simplify again,

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simplify [INAUDIBLE]
the integration,

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you can say I have a
conflict, the conflict

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is y is integrating over
k, but my function is

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a function of omega, so I have
to transfer either y into omega

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into k or k into omega.

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And I would like to transfer
k into omega in this case,

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it's your choice
actually, when you do it.

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So I transfer that
k into omega, and I

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want to do spherical coordinate
because that's easier.

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OK, so dk, dx, dk,
dx, dk [INAUDIBLE]

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is 4 pi k squared dk is
spherical coordinate.

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And now you go to look
at the kx squared,

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I hope I read them down
in the previous slides.

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OK, kx squared equals omega
squared divided by c squared.

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So this is how I
change k into omega.

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That's where the
dispersion relation,

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the relation between omega
and the k is very important.

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So k into omega, that's
just omega equals k.

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So dk is d omega, d over c
And now I combine everything.

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I do per unit volume,
how much energy we have.

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And I write all this other
factors into the integration

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and this is what I have here.

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Everything is a mess.

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And then this t, I call
it density of states.

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What it means is
how many quantum

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mechanical states or
electromagnetic modes

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we have between--

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around omega.

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And so this is the default
count, energy, one photon,

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one state, how many
photons we have.

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And in this state, in this
region, how many states we have.

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So this is also
the energy density.

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Did I write everything together?

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It's just an energy
density in the frequency.

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OK, so this is the energy
density, as I wrote down.

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And if I want to write out
the density of states, f,

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and the actual
[INAUDIBLE] combined.

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That's Planck's law,
Planck's blackbody radiation.

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The energy density per
unit volume, and these

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were actually the start
of quantum mechanics.

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Planck was trying to explain
the blackbody radiation.

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And if this is not called--

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because the energy state,
in fact, most time we

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don't talk about
energy state, we

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talk about radiation
leaving a surface,

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not just how many energy
in per unit volume.

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And in that case, the definition
is the intensity, energy flux

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per unit, solid angle.

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What is a solid angle?

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A solid angle is if you
have a two dimension,

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you know, a polar angle, x, y.

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From x, y, you want to use
a circle polar coordinate,

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you have polar angle
and in three dimension,

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that angle is a
space, angle in space.

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That's a solid angle,
per unit area normalized

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to the distance r squared.

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So a sphere, the area
is a 4 pi r squared.

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The solid angle then is 4 pi,
because r squared [INAUDIBLE].

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In 2D, what's the phi?

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2 pi.

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2 pi versus phase for 4 pi.

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That's the solid angle.

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So that's because that's the
terminology we use often,

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so this intensity is just
now, I know the energy density

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per unit volume, this
energy is propagating

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at the speed of light, So is
the energy density times c,

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and it's going radiation,
thermal radiation

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is going in all directions.

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So per unit, solid
angle is a 4 pi.

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So this way, I write the
speed of light times energy

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density divided by 4 pi.

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That's the intensity.

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And this is just so you
go continue substitution,

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you get the intensity,
and sometimes

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we do per unit
wavelength interval

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rather than per unit
frequency interval.

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So rather than doing
d omega integration,

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you do d lambda integration,
and because lambda

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is times omega
equals 2 pi c, so you

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convert the omega into lambda.

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Again, this is when you actually
take a radiation course,

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this will be the Planck's
law as written [INAUDIBLE].

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And what are they?

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So that's a per
unit solid angle.

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And when I do the total
radiation per unit area,

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so this is the area,
[? dense ?] area, so that's

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the total radiation
is a pi times i,

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that's the mathematical,
we're not getting into it.

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With that, what I
want to show you

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is from here, if you
do your integration,

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you get Stefan-Boltzmann.

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OK.

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Stefan-Boltzmann law, if
you take a 2 double 5,

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is where we get-- we start
on thermal radiation.

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And what I gave you is a way
of going from basic concept

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to go to the
Stefan-Boltzmann, but say,

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what's important
is for you to look

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at the curve of
blackbody radiation.

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This is very much
relevant to the way

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we want to do solar
cells or solar thermal,

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because the sun's
radiation is about 50--

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here I wrote 56 as hundred, but
it's really around 5,800 Kelvin,

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that's the solar radiation.

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It's like a blackbody,
the spectrum

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is very similar to this curve.

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OK, outside the atmosphere,
to go to measure the solar

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radiation, it's close
to 5,800 kelvins curve.

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And at 300, I didn't plot,
300 Kelvin, this peak

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will be around 10.

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So here you can see the
peak start decreasing

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and that relation is the
wave's displacement mode.

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Wavelength times temperature
is about, back of the envelope,

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three solid.

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If you don't
remember that detail,

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whether it's 289
[INAUDIBLE] and in fact,

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every time I go back to
check, I remember about 3,000.

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OK, so 3,000 micron, and that's
why our eyes are sensitive

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to the 0.5 micron,
in the solar system.

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And the solar radiation,
you put about 6,000,

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3,000 divided by 6,000, our
eyes are the evolution choose us

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to be more sensitive to the
peak of solar radiation.

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And during night,
there is no sun.

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Everybody is emitting, you're
emitting, I'm emitting,

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we're emitting 10 microns.

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300 kelvin [INAUDIBLE]
10 microns.

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Of course, if you take a
detector, you can look at it.

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So you are like that, the
infrared radiation measurement.

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But if you look
at just a common--

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a solar cell,
silicon solar cell,

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the wavelengths that you can
take, the shortest wavelengths

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is about 1.12 micron.

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So 1.3 is about 1.112.

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So that's-- this
is the 1 micron.

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This is the 1.12.

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So only radiation in this range
can be utilized in solar cells.

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You have a lot that's wasted if
you do [INAUDIBLE] or yourself,

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this rest of the wave
length's energy cannot be used

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to generate the electron holes.

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We'll talk about that later.

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So that's a
completely what I was

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talking in the
review, basically heat

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transfer and thermodynamics.

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What I'm going to
move on is giving you

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a brief introduction of
thermoelectric energy

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conversion.

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In the last lecture, you have
seen a basic demonstration

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of thermoelectric generation.

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And in fact, this is the module
that used to generate the power.

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Pass around.

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Take a look.

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And basically here we are
using direct energy conversion,

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we're using electrons or
holes in semiconductor.

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We have names for positive
electrons and holes.

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And we're using this as a
working fluid to carry it around

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from one place to another.

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So let's look at the phenomena,
basic thermoelectric phenomena.

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And then we will see do a
simple analysis of that device

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and pass it around and
then look at the current

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and the potential application.

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First system I like
the effect is not new.

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And in fact, this were about
the same time people started

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to investigate the electricity.

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And Seebeck discovered
that in 1821,

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that when they put the two
metals actually at the junction,

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and the one side is hot,
the other side is cold,

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we measure the voltage.

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Seebeck, now we call
it Seebeck effect.

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And Seebeck himself, actually,
you go to read the history,

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he didn't know what's going on.

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He thought that was a magnetic
effect, because at the time

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there are a lot of interest
in say, magnetic Faraday

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or the experiment.

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So he saw thought that
was a magnetic effect.

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And about 10 years
later, Peltier

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discovered another effect,
that's the same two,

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say kind of
junction, two metals,

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was pass the current through it.

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Actually, one side cools
down, the other side heats up.

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He could make ice at the time.

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In fact, the Seebeck, if
we choose this material

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to make a device, even at that
time, a power generation device,

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you will get about a 2% to 3%
efficiency using this material.

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Somebody do the power
generator, so at the same time,

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people were starting to
develop electric motors.

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You can see the history
was really interesting.

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This one actually worked out.

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First, there will
be a lot of study,

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and it will be different, right.

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Let's say, this
effect is reversible.

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You just pass the current
first, one is one direction.

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It will be cooling, and
the other direction you

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will be heating.

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And so both those were
experimental discoveries,

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comes in, gives us the
theoretical prediction.

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And Thomson prediction
is that based

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on the experimental
discovery and understanding

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of the effects, he predicted
that when you have a material,

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one side is cold and the
other side of the hot.

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So a material under
temperature difference and you

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pass current through it, there
will be heating or cooling

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along the material.

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So this is not char heating.

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Char heating is always heating.

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This is a reversible.

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It will be either
heating or cooling,

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depending on the
direction of the current.

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as of Thomson's, Thomson
is also Law of Kelvin,

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and you'll probably see
a lot of Kelvin work,

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Kelvin relation for this,
Kelvin relation for that.

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It pops in more than 500
papers, very productive

00:27:41.370 --> 00:27:42.430 align:middle line:90%
in this lifetime.

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So now let's get a
very intuitive picture.

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We have to go to, for
those understanding,

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we have to go to
microscopic again

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and we now have to
look at electrons.

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Let's look at the electrons
and I'm going first

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to just look at the
isothermal, there

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is no temperature
difference in the material.

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Isothermal conductor, a
lot of electrons inside,

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and that's why you have to
feel the current will flow.

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We all know that.

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So I have a current flow.

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Now again, I'm doing number
crunching of this number.

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What's the current density?

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Current density is
amp per meter squared

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is the charge per electron.

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Hence, the per unit
volume or how many

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electrons I have times
the velocity of those

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electrons moving.

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It's a very intuitive.

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So you go to look
at the unit, you'll

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be adding per meter squared.

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And the velocity is related.

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I'll give you the
relation more later

00:29:03.110 --> 00:29:07.070 align:middle line:90%
on through a electrical field.

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And this, the coefficient
proportionality, coefficient

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is called the
mobility mu, relating

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the velocity of the electron
to the electric field.

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Again, this I'll give
more detail derivation.

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And of course that
will be the ohm's law,

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the current is proportional
to the electric field

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and the proportionality constant
is the electric conductivity.

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And sometimes we don't
talk about conductivity,

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we talk about resistivity,
just 1 over the conductivity.

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So this is the ohm's law,
and all the definitions,

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their units are given here.

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So this is when we talk
about the electrical flow,

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we care about current.

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But each charge also
carry heat with it.

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I can do the same
thing for heat,

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So rather than the
charge, electron charge,

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I'm going to say the heat
carried by each carrier.

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I don't define how much or
how I write that heat yet.

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I'm just saying
per carrier, heel

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is the heat carried
by each charge.

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Again number, density,
velocity, they're moving.

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And of course I can replace the
n by j the electric current.

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So now the heat current is
proportional to electric current

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and the proportionality constant
is the property of efficient.

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So associated with the current
flow, there is a heat flow.

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So Peltier coefficient
can be defined

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for each individual material.

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You don't have to
have a junction.

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The junction is only when you do
experiment, how you observe it.

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OK, so this is the--

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when I want to observe
the Peltier effect,

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the best way is to
put a junction there.

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I have two different
materials, and when

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I pass a current
through, then you

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can say the current
has to be-- electric,

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current has to be continuous.

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That's a [INAUDIBLE].

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You have [INAUDIBLE]
in and of course out.

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So that's the continuity,
current continuity.

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But the heat carried by
the electrons in 1 or 2

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of the different from the other,
so if I do my first low energy

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balance, I find out if I
have more heat flow out, then

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come see it, I have
the supply with me.

00:32:06.470 --> 00:32:09.080 align:middle line:84%
So what does this
mean, supply the heat.

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The lattice cools down.

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The atoms cool down, because
I'm talking about electron,

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The atom can supply the
heat to the electron

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cool down the junction.

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So this cool down,
and on the other side,

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you have to reject that
heat, energy values.

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So this is the
Peltier phenomenon,

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you observe experimentally.

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And you can say, if
I reverse current,

00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:42.490 align:middle line:90%
this phenomenon is reverse.

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So this is the Peltier effect.

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It's reversible.

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Now look at the Seebeck effect.

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There's a seat here.

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OK.

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Seebeck effect, Seebeck effect
is the voltage generation

00:33:05.780 --> 00:33:09.150 align:middle line:90%
under a temperature difference.

00:33:09.150 --> 00:33:11.370 align:middle line:90%
And you think about--

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we have charge in the
conductor, and then

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when one side is the hot, the
electrons are near the hot side,

00:33:22.510 --> 00:33:27.640 align:middle line:84%
have more energy they
move more violently.

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So they will diffuse
to the cosine.

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So you have at the
end after diffusion,

00:33:35.470 --> 00:33:37.420 align:middle line:90%
you have more electrons here.

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When you have more electrons,
the electron imbalance

00:33:41.830 --> 00:33:48.310 align:middle line:84%
will happen, you have
electrical field building,

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The internal electric field
will resist the diffusion.

00:33:51.850 --> 00:33:54.580 align:middle line:84%
So at the end you
have a steady state

00:33:54.580 --> 00:33:57.910 align:middle line:84%
for the diffusion
current balance,

00:33:57.910 --> 00:34:02.140 align:middle line:84%
the electric field will
drive the current back.

00:34:02.140 --> 00:34:06.915 align:middle line:84%
So this balance will give
you the Seebeck voltage.

00:34:06.915 --> 00:34:10.489 align:middle line:90%


00:34:10.489 --> 00:34:14.010 align:middle line:90%
That's the process here.

00:34:14.010 --> 00:34:17.150 align:middle line:90%


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OK.

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The Seebeck voltage is defined,
I put the [INAUDIBLE] sign.

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This is when you
do an experiment,

00:34:25.449 --> 00:34:28.630 align:middle line:84%
you want the one side is
hot, the other side is cold.

00:34:28.630 --> 00:34:33.699 align:middle line:84%
You put a probe, normally you
say, OK, the definition, I

00:34:33.699 --> 00:34:35.949 align:middle line:84%
put a hot probe on
the high temperature

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side, positive voltage
on the high temperature

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side, negative voltage
on low temperature side.

00:34:41.380 --> 00:34:44.980 align:middle line:84%
And if you do that, here
is written very clearly,

00:34:44.980 --> 00:34:47.560 align:middle line:84%
you should have put a
negative sign in front,

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that's the definition.

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I remember the first
time I measured a sample.

00:34:53.330 --> 00:34:56.030 align:middle line:84%
I just got a wrong
sign, I didn't know why.

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Everybody measured differently,
because people normally just say

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Seebeck voltage is the
voltage divided by delta t,

00:35:03.430 --> 00:35:04.930 align:middle line:84%
but then when you
do experiment, you

00:35:04.930 --> 00:35:06.490 align:middle line:90%
have to see which side it falls.

00:35:06.490 --> 00:35:11.030 align:middle line:90%


00:35:11.030 --> 00:35:13.040 align:middle line:90%
Thomson effect.

00:35:13.040 --> 00:35:17.240 align:middle line:84%
Thomson effect is when you
have a temperature difference

00:35:17.240 --> 00:35:25.820 align:middle line:84%
and you flow a current through
and if you look at every point,

00:35:25.820 --> 00:35:28.400 align:middle line:90%
there is a Peltier coefficient.

00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:31.190 align:middle line:84%
The Peltier coefficient
can depend on temperature.

00:35:31.190 --> 00:35:35.960 align:middle line:84%
So that means when current
flow in, the energy carried in

00:35:35.960 --> 00:35:39.920 align:middle line:84%
could be different from
the energy carried out.

00:35:39.920 --> 00:35:45.470 align:middle line:84%
So the heat carried out could
be different from current in.

00:35:45.470 --> 00:35:48.890 align:middle line:84%
And then that difference
must be made up, cooling in

00:35:48.890 --> 00:35:52.550 align:middle line:90%
by either cool or rejected.

00:35:52.550 --> 00:35:56.030 align:middle line:84%
So that's the Thomson
effect and Thomson

00:35:56.030 --> 00:36:01.280 align:middle line:84%
to efficient is defined the
low amount of heat absorbed

00:36:01.280 --> 00:36:05.480 align:middle line:84%
or rejected versus the
gradient divided by temperature

00:36:05.480 --> 00:36:08.680 align:middle line:90%
gradient normalized to current.

00:36:08.680 --> 00:36:12.050 align:middle line:90%
[INAUDIBLE] comes into it.

00:36:12.050 --> 00:36:18.700 align:middle line:84%
OK, so we have this
phenomenological explanation.

00:36:18.700 --> 00:36:22.630 align:middle line:84%
And now I want to
do more detail.

00:36:22.630 --> 00:36:28.100 align:middle line:84%
I want to put this in more--
into more mathematics into it.

00:36:28.100 --> 00:36:32.050 align:middle line:84%
I forgot to mention
here, Kelvin, of course,

00:36:32.050 --> 00:36:36.190 align:middle line:84%
the concept of Kelvin realized,
based on his understanding,

00:36:36.190 --> 00:36:39.250 align:middle line:84%
those three effects
are interrelated,

00:36:39.250 --> 00:36:42.220 align:middle line:84%
and he actually gives the
relation between the Peltier

00:36:42.220 --> 00:36:44.880 align:middle line:84%
coefficient and
Seebeck temperature,

00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:48.550 align:middle line:84%
and constant coefficient
is a Seebeck derivative

00:36:48.550 --> 00:36:50.160 align:middle line:90%
with respect to temperature.

00:36:50.160 --> 00:36:53.800 align:middle line:90%


00:36:53.800 --> 00:36:54.300 align:middle line:90%
OK.

00:36:54.300 --> 00:36:56.530 align:middle line:84%
Those are [INAUDIBLE]
dependent properties.

00:36:56.530 --> 00:37:00.930 align:middle line:90%
Like I said, let's go the--

00:37:00.930 --> 00:37:03.690 align:middle line:90%


00:37:03.690 --> 00:37:08.550 align:middle line:84%
so let's go listen to the
device, and we want to say,

00:37:08.550 --> 00:37:13.500 align:middle line:84%
based on this, what are the
material properties I want?

00:37:13.500 --> 00:37:15.870 align:middle line:90%
So I show this device.

00:37:15.870 --> 00:37:19.770 align:middle line:84%
And again, you can
buy the commercially,

00:37:19.770 --> 00:37:22.110 align:middle line:84%
particularly some of
you may be interested

00:37:22.110 --> 00:37:26.790 align:middle line:84%
in various competitions, MIT
has a different competitions,

00:37:26.790 --> 00:37:29.980 align:middle line:84%
and if you want to build this
device, it's not expensive.

00:37:29.980 --> 00:37:36.030 align:middle line:84%
This is a $10 to $20
commercially. you Can buy one.

00:37:36.030 --> 00:37:41.640 align:middle line:84%
And the again, the
basic concept, now

00:37:41.640 --> 00:37:49.110 align:middle line:84%
even cheaper device, you see a
lot of legs, they are electric.

00:37:49.110 --> 00:37:50.740 align:middle line:90%
There are only two electrodes.

00:37:50.740 --> 00:37:52.710 align:middle line:90%
One is in, the other is out.

00:37:52.710 --> 00:37:56.820 align:middle line:84%
So electrically, they
are connected in series.

00:37:56.820 --> 00:38:03.150 align:middle line:84%
And in fact, most of this device
are made of opposite type, p

00:38:03.150 --> 00:38:07.470 align:middle line:84%
and n together, a P type
semiconductor, N type

00:38:07.470 --> 00:38:08.970 align:middle line:90%
semiconductor.

00:38:08.970 --> 00:38:12.120 align:middle line:84%
And in the N type
is electron carry

00:38:12.120 --> 00:38:17.860 align:middle line:84%
the current flow and P type
is called the positive charge.

00:38:17.860 --> 00:38:22.080 align:middle line:84%
So when I pass a current,
of course current flow

00:38:22.080 --> 00:38:25.700 align:middle line:84%
against the electron, along
the positive charge direction,

00:38:25.700 --> 00:38:30.960 align:middle line:84%
so you can say that's in
terms of device how it works.

00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:34.050 align:middle line:84%
They carry heat from
one side to the other.

00:38:34.050 --> 00:38:36.300 align:middle line:84%
And on this side,
they reject the heat.

00:38:36.300 --> 00:38:37.860 align:middle line:84%
On the other side,
they cool down.

00:38:37.860 --> 00:38:44.200 align:middle line:84%
So you can do the refrigeration
as well as power production.

00:38:44.200 --> 00:38:49.270 align:middle line:84%
We show the power, here is a
simple demo of the cooling.

00:38:49.270 --> 00:38:56.680 align:middle line:84%
That's the price, you
convert the water into ice.

00:38:56.680 --> 00:39:02.950 align:middle line:84%
OK, let's look at how the
device performance depends on--

00:39:02.950 --> 00:39:08.080 align:middle line:84%
we show the summary, let's say
three thermoelectric effect,

00:39:08.080 --> 00:39:11.230 align:middle line:84%
but in reality, the
solid state material,

00:39:11.230 --> 00:39:15.520 align:middle line:84%
so there are other effects goes
on, when I have 100 difference.

00:39:15.520 --> 00:39:17.640 align:middle line:84%
And the first one is, of
course heat conduction.

00:39:17.640 --> 00:39:22.850 align:middle line:84%
On one side is hot, the other
is cold, heat will flow.

00:39:22.850 --> 00:39:24.790 align:middle line:84%
This heat could be
heat conduction,

00:39:24.790 --> 00:39:30.110 align:middle line:84%
electron can conduct heat,
lattice also conduct heat.

00:39:30.110 --> 00:39:32.580 align:middle line:84%
So you have both
electron and lattice.

00:39:32.580 --> 00:39:38.270 align:middle line:84%
This is different than just the
Peltier coefficient or Seebeck

00:39:38.270 --> 00:39:39.350 align:middle line:90%
coefficient.

00:39:39.350 --> 00:39:41.430 align:middle line:90%
So we have the [INAUDIBLE] law.

00:39:41.430 --> 00:39:45.320 align:middle line:84%
And if it's a 1b,
I integrate it,

00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:49.460 align:middle line:84%
I get the amount of heat
transfer is proportional

00:39:49.460 --> 00:39:54.230 align:middle line:84%
to the cross section
area, thermal conductivity

00:39:54.230 --> 00:39:56.860 align:middle line:84%
and the temperature difference
divided by the length.

00:39:56.860 --> 00:39:59.830 align:middle line:90%


00:39:59.830 --> 00:40:02.440 align:middle line:90%
You see this in [? 2005. ?]

00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:05.600 align:middle line:84%
And if I group all those
parameters together,

00:40:05.600 --> 00:40:10.060 align:middle line:84%
AKL, I say this is the
thermal conductance.

00:40:10.060 --> 00:40:13.060 align:middle line:84%
We probably define
thermal resistance before,

00:40:13.060 --> 00:40:16.060 align:middle line:84%
but the resistance is
just conductance is just

00:40:16.060 --> 00:40:20.800 align:middle line:90%
the inverse of the resistance.

00:40:20.800 --> 00:40:26.230 align:middle line:84%
So this is the definition of the
thermal conductance in the KA

00:40:26.230 --> 00:40:28.560 align:middle line:90%
or l.

00:40:28.560 --> 00:40:31.320 align:middle line:84%
And just as a
comment, very often we

00:40:31.320 --> 00:40:34.590 align:middle line:90%
write it just look like math.

00:40:34.590 --> 00:40:39.330 align:middle line:84%
But when you actually do it,
it matters a lot because here,

00:40:39.330 --> 00:40:43.740 align:middle line:84%
for example, the heat
flow is inversely

00:40:43.740 --> 00:40:46.920 align:middle line:90%
proportional to thickness,

00:40:46.920 --> 00:40:50.820 align:middle line:84%
So in the technology
development, if I use a film,

00:40:50.820 --> 00:40:53.370 align:middle line:90%
l is of the order micron.

00:40:53.370 --> 00:40:56.880 align:middle line:84%
And if I use a bulk
material, l could be probably

00:40:56.880 --> 00:41:01.320 align:middle line:84%
100 microns or millimeters,
and that heat flow

00:41:01.320 --> 00:41:05.410 align:middle line:84%
is a 0 order of magnitude
difference for the same delta t.

00:41:05.410 --> 00:41:09.520 align:middle line:84%
So whether, in reality you
have different problems,

00:41:09.520 --> 00:41:15.955 align:middle line:84%
sometimes it's clearly space,
like the solar, solar radiation

00:41:15.955 --> 00:41:18.520 align:middle line:90%
clearly is fixed.

00:41:18.520 --> 00:41:22.300 align:middle line:84%
And you want to build your
system to create a delta t,

00:41:22.300 --> 00:41:24.220 align:middle line:84%
because it's a
thermoelectric device

00:41:24.220 --> 00:41:26.110 align:middle line:90%
is proportional to delta t.

00:41:26.110 --> 00:41:29.320 align:middle line:90%
So that's one type of problem.

00:41:29.320 --> 00:41:34.360 align:middle line:84%
There are other cases
where delta t is fixed.

00:41:34.360 --> 00:41:36.160 align:middle line:90%
Give me give me an example.

00:41:36.160 --> 00:41:41.810 align:middle line:84%
There are people looking to
ocean geology generation.

00:41:41.810 --> 00:41:45.770 align:middle line:84%
In the ocean, there is the
top and bottom [INAUDIBLE]

00:41:45.770 --> 00:41:46.640 align:middle line:90%
difference.

00:41:46.640 --> 00:41:48.560 align:middle line:84%
You've got the
different problems

00:41:48.560 --> 00:41:52.940 align:middle line:84%
and you can go to back
to the most basic picture

00:41:52.940 --> 00:41:54.650 align:middle line:84%
to think about your
system, sometimes

00:41:54.650 --> 00:41:56.530 align:middle line:90%
that's always the first step.

00:41:56.530 --> 00:41:59.120 align:middle line:90%
OK.

00:41:59.120 --> 00:42:03.980 align:middle line:90%
Now let's look at the device.

00:42:03.980 --> 00:42:06.830 align:middle line:84%
Again, the [INAUDIBLE]
device has many repeat units

00:42:06.830 --> 00:42:09.440 align:middle line:90%
of this t and n.

00:42:09.440 --> 00:42:14.330 align:middle line:84%
And if I have just an ideal
device, how much cooling I

00:42:14.330 --> 00:42:15.180 align:middle line:90%
can create.

00:42:15.180 --> 00:42:20.390 align:middle line:84%
I pass a current
and the cooling is

00:42:20.390 --> 00:42:23.370 align:middle line:84%
the difference and the
junction of the two materials.

00:42:23.370 --> 00:42:26.540 align:middle line:84%
So one possible
material multiplication

00:42:26.540 --> 00:42:30.590 align:middle line:84%
times a negative material
coefficient times current.

00:42:30.590 --> 00:42:32.840 align:middle line:84%
So that's how much
cooling I can create.

00:42:32.840 --> 00:42:36.590 align:middle line:90%


00:42:36.590 --> 00:42:40.850 align:middle line:84%
But in real situation,
what happens

00:42:40.850 --> 00:42:44.390 align:middle line:84%
is that when this site is
cold, this site is hot,

00:42:44.390 --> 00:42:45.800 align:middle line:90%
the heat will flow back.

00:42:45.800 --> 00:42:48.260 align:middle line:90%
This is solid material.

00:42:48.260 --> 00:42:50.750 align:middle line:84%
You can't get rid of
that heat conduction.

00:42:50.750 --> 00:42:54.260 align:middle line:84%
So it will diffuse
back by conduction.

00:42:54.260 --> 00:42:56.880 align:middle line:90%
That's one reality.

00:42:56.880 --> 00:42:59.870 align:middle line:90%
That's a long idea factor.

00:42:59.870 --> 00:43:02.630 align:middle line:84%
The other non-idea factor
is when you pass the current

00:43:02.630 --> 00:43:04.730 align:middle line:90%
through, I have [INAUDIBLE].

00:43:04.730 --> 00:43:06.745 align:middle line:84%
I didn't talk about
[INAUDIBLE] here, right?

00:43:06.745 --> 00:43:09.680 align:middle line:90%
That's unavoidable part.

00:43:09.680 --> 00:43:11.370 align:middle line:90%
I don't have a superconductor.

00:43:11.370 --> 00:43:15.470 align:middle line:84%
In fact, you don't want to
use a superconductor here.

00:43:15.470 --> 00:43:18.560 align:middle line:84%
Superconductor,
electrical superconductor

00:43:18.560 --> 00:43:22.250 align:middle line:84%
is only one quantum
mechanical state.

00:43:22.250 --> 00:43:25.040 align:middle line:84%
They introduce 0,
doesn't carry heat.

00:43:25.040 --> 00:43:29.170 align:middle line:84%
Electrons do not carry heat,
in case, superconductor.

00:43:29.170 --> 00:43:32.800 align:middle line:84%
OK, so there's a
[INAUDIBLE] because

00:43:32.800 --> 00:43:34.900 align:middle line:90%
the electric conductivity.

00:43:34.900 --> 00:43:39.077 align:middle line:84%
And I have to consider both,
reverse heat conduction

00:43:39.077 --> 00:43:40.270 align:middle line:90%
and [INAUDIBLE].

00:43:40.270 --> 00:43:44.440 align:middle line:84%
Now, I think about
[INAUDIBLE], the difference

00:43:44.440 --> 00:43:46.390 align:middle line:84%
between conduction
is this side is

00:43:46.390 --> 00:43:49.540 align:middle line:84%
this side is called
[INAUDIBLE] conduction.

00:43:49.540 --> 00:43:52.090 align:middle line:84%
The [INAUDIBLE] is
uniformly generated

00:43:52.090 --> 00:43:55.060 align:middle line:90%
along the lag as approximation.

00:43:55.060 --> 00:43:58.460 align:middle line:84%
So in that case, [INAUDIBLE]
about half go this way.

00:43:58.460 --> 00:44:00.940 align:middle line:84%
The other half
goes the other way.

00:44:00.940 --> 00:44:04.980 align:middle line:84%
You can solve the equation and
you'll find that the answer.

00:44:04.980 --> 00:44:08.320 align:middle line:84%
But that's the
intuitive argument also.

00:44:08.320 --> 00:44:13.800 align:middle line:84%
So in that case, the real
net cooling I have is,

00:44:13.800 --> 00:44:18.250 align:middle line:84%
in addition to calculate, I
have half of the [INAUDIBLE].

00:44:18.250 --> 00:44:20.250 align:middle line:90%
This is electrical resistance.

00:44:20.250 --> 00:44:22.230 align:middle line:84%
And I have a reverse
heat conduction

00:44:22.230 --> 00:44:24.340 align:middle line:84%
that the thermal
conductance of the two legs.

00:44:24.340 --> 00:44:29.030 align:middle line:90%


00:44:29.030 --> 00:44:32.760 align:middle line:90%
So that's the mathematics.

00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:35.220 align:middle line:84%
The resistance, the
electrical resistance

00:44:35.220 --> 00:44:39.380 align:middle line:84%
is proportional to the
resistivity of both legs

00:44:39.380 --> 00:44:44.810 align:middle line:84%
area, that's and here are
thermal conductance, they both p

00:44:44.810 --> 00:44:49.470 align:middle line:90%
and n combine together.

00:44:49.470 --> 00:44:54.200 align:middle line:84%
And now you can see
the amount of heating

00:44:54.200 --> 00:44:59.960 align:middle line:84%
or cooling I create depends
on the current flow, right.

00:44:59.960 --> 00:45:03.800 align:middle line:84%
I square, y is a linear,
the other is square.

00:45:03.800 --> 00:45:08.450 align:middle line:84%
If I drive the device too
hard, I generate too much heat.

00:45:08.450 --> 00:45:12.500 align:middle line:84%
I drive too little, doesn't
have enough cooling.

00:45:12.500 --> 00:45:14.150 align:middle line:90%
So there is an optimum.

00:45:14.150 --> 00:45:17.210 align:middle line:84%
When you drive the device,
there's an optimum there.

00:45:17.210 --> 00:45:18.490 align:middle line:90%
It's easy to find the optimum.

00:45:18.490 --> 00:45:21.800 align:middle line:90%


00:45:21.800 --> 00:45:25.670 align:middle line:84%
Firstly, I want to find out more
not only for cooling but also

00:45:25.670 --> 00:45:27.020 align:middle line:90%
for efficiency.

00:45:27.020 --> 00:45:33.740 align:middle line:84%
So I have to calculate how much
electrical energy I give in.

00:45:33.740 --> 00:45:36.380 align:middle line:90%
You say. i square r.

00:45:36.380 --> 00:45:37.970 align:middle line:90%
It's not that simple.

00:45:37.970 --> 00:45:39.830 align:middle line:90%
There's a little trick here.

00:45:39.830 --> 00:45:44.300 align:middle line:84%
Because there is a i
square r, so voltage drop

00:45:44.300 --> 00:45:49.190 align:middle line:84%
is i times r, that's
the [INAUDIBLE] part.

00:45:49.190 --> 00:45:52.760 align:middle line:84%
But when there is a
temperature difference,

00:45:52.760 --> 00:45:56.390 align:middle line:90%
there is also a Seebeck voltage.

00:45:56.390 --> 00:46:00.050 align:middle line:84%
So when this side, one side is
cold, the other side is hot,

00:46:00.050 --> 00:46:03.500 align:middle line:84%
there is an additional
voltage you have to overcome,

00:46:03.500 --> 00:46:06.710 align:middle line:84%
the internal review
voltage, Seebeck voltage.

00:46:06.710 --> 00:46:11.420 align:middle line:84%
That's the Seebeck coefficient
difference times delta t.

00:46:11.420 --> 00:46:13.550 align:middle line:84%
That's the voltage
you have to overcome

00:46:13.550 --> 00:46:16.740 align:middle line:90%
in addition to resistance.

00:46:16.740 --> 00:46:23.610 align:middle line:84%
So the electrical
power is i times v. So

00:46:23.610 --> 00:46:25.710 align:middle line:90%
that's the electrical I put in.

00:46:25.710 --> 00:46:29.070 align:middle line:84%
So the efficiency,
according to our definition,

00:46:29.070 --> 00:46:33.420 align:middle line:84%
for refrigeration, we talk about
coefficient of performance,

00:46:33.420 --> 00:46:35.100 align:middle line:90%
We don't talk about efficiency.

00:46:35.100 --> 00:46:39.750 align:middle line:84%
So this is what I want, the
cooling, this is what I pay.

00:46:39.750 --> 00:46:43.050 align:middle line:84%
The pay is the power, the
power is the current times

00:46:43.050 --> 00:46:43.720 align:middle line:90%
the voltage.

00:46:43.720 --> 00:46:47.250 align:middle line:84%
So I have i square r,
that's the [INAUDIBLE].

00:46:47.250 --> 00:46:51.720 align:middle line:84%
I have to overcome
the Seebeck voltage.

00:46:51.720 --> 00:46:54.870 align:middle line:90%
So that's the term there.

00:46:54.870 --> 00:46:56.470 align:middle line:90%
So that's the bottom part.

00:46:56.470 --> 00:46:57.660 align:middle line:90%
That's what I pay.

00:46:57.660 --> 00:47:02.890 align:middle line:84%
And the numerator is what do
we derive, the previous slide.

00:47:02.890 --> 00:47:07.370 align:middle line:84%
Including is accounted
for the reverse heat

00:47:07.370 --> 00:47:10.690 align:middle line:90%
conduction and the [INAUDIBLE].

00:47:10.690 --> 00:47:14.560 align:middle line:90%
So now you go to optimize it.

00:47:14.560 --> 00:47:16.480 align:middle line:90%
And this-- yes?

00:47:16.480 --> 00:47:18.650 align:middle line:84%
AUDIENCE: Shouldn't Seebeck
dominant be reversed?

00:47:18.650 --> 00:47:20.590 align:middle line:90%
i squared r.

00:47:20.590 --> 00:47:22.870 align:middle line:84%
GANG CHEN: No, you
wish that's the case.

00:47:22.870 --> 00:47:24.340 align:middle line:90%
You wish that's the case.

00:47:24.340 --> 00:47:29.050 align:middle line:84%
But it's-- you are--
when you have a delta t,

00:47:29.050 --> 00:47:31.040 align:middle line:90%
you have to push hard.

00:47:31.040 --> 00:47:36.310 align:middle line:84%
You can say, OK, we'll have
a hard flow for cooling.

00:47:36.310 --> 00:47:37.880 align:middle line:90%
This is a t, this is n.

00:47:37.880 --> 00:47:40.030 align:middle line:90%
I know [INAUDIBLE] this way.

00:47:40.030 --> 00:47:47.020 align:middle line:84%
But this side is a hot, the
voltage is against here.

00:47:47.020 --> 00:47:50.805 align:middle line:84%
Otherwise, you get too
easy, your problem.

00:47:50.805 --> 00:47:54.650 align:middle line:90%


00:47:54.650 --> 00:47:59.670 align:middle line:84%
So you go to optimize your
current, that's the arithmetic,

00:47:59.670 --> 00:48:05.360 align:middle line:84%
you can divide ei for 0 and
you find the optimal current,

00:48:05.360 --> 00:48:09.500 align:middle line:84%
and then find the optimum,
under optimal part

00:48:09.500 --> 00:48:14.330 align:middle line:84%
you got to maximize
efficiency or CLP.

00:48:14.330 --> 00:48:17.240 align:middle line:84%
Of course, I dropped
all the math.

00:48:17.240 --> 00:48:21.330 align:middle line:90%
And let me again make a comment.

00:48:21.330 --> 00:48:25.050 align:middle line:84%
You go to save your [INAUDIBLE],
that's easy because there's

00:48:25.050 --> 00:48:27.330 align:middle line:90%
no denominator here.

00:48:27.330 --> 00:48:31.590 align:middle line:84%
You got the optimal current
for maximum cooling power.

00:48:31.590 --> 00:48:35.760 align:middle line:84%
Here you get an optimal
current for maximum efficiency,

00:48:35.760 --> 00:48:39.240 align:middle line:84%
but they two do not
agree with each other.

00:48:39.240 --> 00:48:41.310 align:middle line:84%
And in fact, in
your operation, you

00:48:41.310 --> 00:48:45.720 align:middle line:84%
want to adjust your current
just between you can't satisfy,

00:48:45.720 --> 00:48:48.730 align:middle line:84%
you go optimal current and you
don't have much cooling power.

00:48:48.730 --> 00:48:52.190 align:middle line:90%


00:48:52.190 --> 00:48:54.690 align:middle line:84%
The other point is,
you look at this,

00:48:54.690 --> 00:48:57.690 align:middle line:90%
you say, it's a linear term.

00:48:57.690 --> 00:49:01.800 align:middle line:90%
This term is all thermal energy.

00:49:01.800 --> 00:49:06.270 align:middle line:84%
That's a [INAUDIBLE]
cycle for refrigeration.

00:49:06.270 --> 00:49:09.330 align:middle line:84%
We wrote down [INAUDIBLE]
for power generation.

00:49:09.330 --> 00:49:11.680 align:middle line:84%
But this is a column so
it's a column factor,

00:49:11.680 --> 00:49:13.320 align:middle line:90%
it's a heat engine.

00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:18.080 align:middle line:84%
And of course, you all make
sure this term is less than 1.

00:49:18.080 --> 00:49:25.980 align:middle line:84%
So you can't get column, and
here came to this vector z.

00:49:25.980 --> 00:49:29.480 align:middle line:84%
So every time people
see, what's your zt?

00:49:29.480 --> 00:49:32.720 align:middle line:84%
This is where it came
from, z times temperature.

00:49:32.720 --> 00:49:35.780 align:middle line:84%
And this t is the
average temperature

00:49:35.780 --> 00:49:39.190 align:middle line:90%
between the hot and cold side.

00:49:39.190 --> 00:49:42.490 align:middle line:84%
And this is z,
again, this is all

00:49:42.490 --> 00:49:45.580 align:middle line:84%
coming from this
mathematical derivative.

00:49:45.580 --> 00:49:49.960 align:middle line:84%
And it's the Seebeck
difference of the material.

00:49:49.960 --> 00:49:54.910 align:middle line:84%
And the denominator is the
conductance, thermal conductance

00:49:54.910 --> 00:49:57.190 align:middle line:90%
times the electrical resistance.

00:49:57.190 --> 00:49:58.060 align:middle line:90%
So look at it.

00:49:58.060 --> 00:50:01.520 align:middle line:84%
It's not a material
property at all,

00:50:01.520 --> 00:50:06.340 align:middle line:84%
it'll equal the material
property, Seebeck coefficient,

00:50:06.340 --> 00:50:09.430 align:middle line:84%
electrical resistivity,
thermal conductivity,

00:50:09.430 --> 00:50:12.810 align:middle line:84%
but it also depends on
the cross section area.

00:50:12.810 --> 00:50:15.600 align:middle line:90%


00:50:15.600 --> 00:50:17.730 align:middle line:84%
And they look at
this function, you

00:50:17.730 --> 00:50:21.930 align:middle line:84%
want to maximize your zt
to get a higher efficiency.

00:50:21.930 --> 00:50:24.330 align:middle line:84%
So the first thing is
that you go to maximize

00:50:24.330 --> 00:50:27.060 align:middle line:90%
your z by geography.

00:50:27.060 --> 00:50:31.020 align:middle line:84%
You can reduce the
denominator by changing

00:50:31.020 --> 00:50:35.760 align:middle line:90%
your l or a [INAUDIBLE], right?

00:50:35.760 --> 00:50:39.420 align:middle line:84%
That's the least you can do if
you don't work in the material.

00:50:39.420 --> 00:50:42.390 align:middle line:84%
And that's what you
want to minimize.

00:50:42.390 --> 00:50:47.040 align:middle line:84%
And if you minimize it, it turns
out this is what you have to do.

00:50:47.040 --> 00:50:50.370 align:middle line:84%
The k times r is
the minimum when

00:50:50.370 --> 00:50:54.570 align:middle line:84%
they do lens cross-section
area of the two legs.

00:50:54.570 --> 00:50:55.900 align:middle line:90%
So you are engineer.

00:50:55.900 --> 00:51:01.250 align:middle line:84%
This is where when you do
the device, you optimize it.

00:51:01.250 --> 00:51:06.990 align:middle line:84%
We then-- when we do that
testing, own lab, sometimes just

00:51:06.990 --> 00:51:10.830 align:middle line:84%
hand polishing, all this, trying
to make it match to each other.

00:51:10.830 --> 00:51:13.180 align:middle line:84%
So you want to get a better
performance than others.

00:51:13.180 --> 00:51:16.050 align:middle line:90%


00:51:16.050 --> 00:51:22.920 align:middle line:84%
OK, now you that your
best case is an idea,

00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:24.750 align:middle line:90%
that still is not a zt.

00:51:24.750 --> 00:51:27.870 align:middle line:84%
That's still not the
individual material property.

00:51:27.870 --> 00:51:33.330 align:middle line:84%
It depends on both sides,
here and the end materials.

00:51:33.330 --> 00:51:37.680 align:middle line:84%
So basically, if I want
to make a good device,

00:51:37.680 --> 00:51:43.770 align:middle line:84%
I need a good n, a good p, and
the two should match each other.

00:51:43.770 --> 00:51:52.080 align:middle line:84%
One material you get, you
do get the best performance,

00:51:52.080 --> 00:51:55.530 align:middle line:84%
And you get about half
of the performance

00:51:55.530 --> 00:51:57.810 align:middle line:90%
if you have good one material.

00:51:57.810 --> 00:52:02.280 align:middle line:84%
But because at the
end, using the two

00:52:02.280 --> 00:52:04.920 align:middle line:84%
means you have to
make a lot of choices.

00:52:04.920 --> 00:52:08.430 align:middle line:84%
In materials research,
people just talk about one.

00:52:08.430 --> 00:52:13.350 align:middle line:84%
You engineer, you know, you have
to go to get both materials.

00:52:13.350 --> 00:52:14.960 align:middle line:90%
Somebody has one.

00:52:14.960 --> 00:52:16.200 align:middle line:90%
You say, do you have another?

00:52:16.200 --> 00:52:18.210 align:middle line:90%
You're eager to us.

00:52:18.210 --> 00:52:20.670 align:middle line:84%
We'll find others
who has the other.

00:52:20.670 --> 00:52:23.400 align:middle line:84%
So this is when
material scientists just

00:52:23.400 --> 00:52:34.680 align:middle line:84%
say, I discovered material with
high z, That's s for sigma or k.

00:52:34.680 --> 00:52:40.170 align:middle line:84%
You want pi, a material with
a high electric conductivity.

00:52:40.170 --> 00:52:43.320 align:middle line:84%
And so you want to
minimize [INAUDIBLE].

00:52:43.320 --> 00:52:47.610 align:middle line:84%
You want a material with a
high Seebeck coefficient.

00:52:47.610 --> 00:52:49.440 align:middle line:84%
Seebeck coefficient
fundamentally

00:52:49.440 --> 00:52:53.280 align:middle line:84%
is the heat carried
by per charge.

00:52:53.280 --> 00:52:56.040 align:middle line:84%
OK, we'll talk
more on that later.

00:52:56.040 --> 00:53:00.330 align:middle line:84%
So average speaking per charge,
how much heat it carrier.

00:53:00.330 --> 00:53:03.000 align:middle line:84%
And then you want a
thermal insulator,

00:53:03.000 --> 00:53:05.550 align:middle line:84%
a low thermal conductivity
because you don't

00:53:05.550 --> 00:53:06.880 align:middle line:90%
want to heat reverse back.

00:53:06.880 --> 00:53:10.200 align:middle line:90%


00:53:10.200 --> 00:53:14.760 align:middle line:84%
If you know any
materials, let me know.

00:53:14.760 --> 00:53:19.200 align:middle line:84%
People have been searching
this for centuries,

00:53:19.200 --> 00:53:23.100 align:middle line:84%
good material with a good
electrical thermal conductivity,

00:53:23.100 --> 00:53:25.080 align:middle line:90%
poor thermal conductivity.

00:53:25.080 --> 00:53:31.320 align:middle line:84%
But also you want every
electron carry a lot of heat.

00:53:31.320 --> 00:53:36.810 align:middle line:84%
And this has to happen in one
material, [INAUDIBLE] material.

00:53:36.810 --> 00:53:41.430 align:middle line:84%
AUDIENCE: So we derived
the Zmax for a junction.

00:53:41.430 --> 00:53:43.050 align:middle line:90%
GANG CHEN: This is the only--

00:53:43.050 --> 00:53:43.690 align:middle line:90%
Zmax.

00:53:43.690 --> 00:53:49.110 align:middle line:84%
You need a computer device
in these two materials,

00:53:49.110 --> 00:53:51.670 align:middle line:84%
Well, theoretically, you
don't need two material,

00:53:51.670 --> 00:53:53.100 align:middle line:90%
you can do one material.

00:53:53.100 --> 00:53:55.140 align:middle line:84%
In fact, in that case,
what people choose,

00:53:55.140 --> 00:53:58.530 align:middle line:84%
the other material, they
choose a superconductor.

00:53:58.530 --> 00:54:00.400 align:middle line:90%
Just don't do anything.

00:54:00.400 --> 00:54:02.730 align:middle line:84%
So that's how they
characterize the one mature

00:54:02.730 --> 00:54:05.710 align:middle line:90%
if you want to do a good job.

00:54:05.710 --> 00:54:10.820 align:middle line:84%
All right, let's see, this
one is immature research,

00:54:10.820 --> 00:54:17.555 align:middle line:84%
you don't-- you can't wait to
get too mature and positive,

00:54:17.555 --> 00:54:19.930 align:middle line:84%
You get one but mature
taking many years,

00:54:19.930 --> 00:54:22.840 align:middle line:84%
so you do a simple
material to say

00:54:22.840 --> 00:54:25.730 align:middle line:84%
this is a measure of how
good is this material.

00:54:25.730 --> 00:54:27.875 align:middle line:84%
But as an engineer, you
want to build a device,

00:54:27.875 --> 00:54:29.750 align:middle line:84%
you have to say, where
is the other material?

00:54:29.750 --> 00:54:31.370 align:middle line:90%
I mean, I need both materials.

00:54:31.370 --> 00:54:34.340 align:middle line:90%


00:54:34.340 --> 00:54:41.420 align:middle line:84%
So those are the comments that
is made to optimize [INAUDIBLE]

00:54:41.420 --> 00:54:43.790 align:middle line:90%
optimize index.

00:54:43.790 --> 00:54:46.730 align:middle line:90%
And there is two types.

00:54:46.730 --> 00:54:49.340 align:middle line:84%
And then you optimize
the device performance,

00:54:49.340 --> 00:54:54.140 align:middle line:90%
load matching by current.

00:54:54.140 --> 00:54:56.610 align:middle line:90%
This is a [INAUDIBLE].

00:54:56.610 --> 00:55:02.060 align:middle line:84%
So here is some typical
[INAUDIBLE] for the business,

00:55:02.060 --> 00:55:05.470 align:middle line:84%
that's the commercial
device mostly you buy.

00:55:05.470 --> 00:55:08.790 align:middle line:84%
You can only buy this type
of material based device.

00:55:08.790 --> 00:55:14.290 align:middle line:84%
Seebeck [INAUDIBLE] is about
220 microwatts per kelvin.

00:55:14.290 --> 00:55:19.360 align:middle line:84%
Electric [INAUDIBLE] fence
is around 1.51 [INAUDIBLE].

00:55:19.360 --> 00:55:21.490 align:middle line:90%
This is all Si units.

00:55:21.490 --> 00:55:24.210 align:middle line:84%
It's good to keep in
mind, example of a micro

00:55:24.210 --> 00:55:30.470 align:middle line:84%
[INAUDIBLE] including the
[INAUDIBLE] zte is about 1.

00:55:30.470 --> 00:55:34.310 align:middle line:90%


00:55:34.310 --> 00:55:37.340 align:middle line:90%
And we'll talk how good is that.

00:55:37.340 --> 00:55:38.990 align:middle line:90%
Now, what's the problem?

00:55:38.990 --> 00:55:41.780 align:middle line:84%
If you have all this library,
you say, OK, this is--

00:55:41.780 --> 00:55:45.840 align:middle line:84%
I think, a [INAUDIBLE] 2
millimeter long electrical

00:55:45.840 --> 00:55:49.280 align:middle line:84%
interface, cross-section,
one millimeter square.

00:55:49.280 --> 00:55:52.100 align:middle line:84%
So it's a small, if you
look at the device that

00:55:52.100 --> 00:55:54.980 align:middle line:84%
pass around, that's
dimensioned roughly,

00:55:54.980 --> 00:55:58.160 align:middle line:84%
each leg is only
20 million ohms,

00:55:58.160 --> 00:56:01.310 align:middle line:90%
20 million ohms, very small.

00:56:01.310 --> 00:56:03.080 align:middle line:84%
You go to buy
resistors, actually

00:56:03.080 --> 00:56:04.977 align:middle line:84%
very hard to buy
this small resistor.

00:56:04.977 --> 00:56:05.560 align:middle line:90%
What it means?

00:56:05.560 --> 00:56:08.330 align:middle line:90%


00:56:08.330 --> 00:56:13.060 align:middle line:84%
It means if you want to build
a single device or two legs,

00:56:13.060 --> 00:56:16.840 align:middle line:84%
because current is a voltage
divided by resistance,

00:56:16.840 --> 00:56:20.050 align:middle line:84%
It puts your [? heart, ?]
huge [? heart, ?]

00:56:20.050 --> 00:56:22.510 align:middle line:90%
you need a big power supply.

00:56:22.510 --> 00:56:27.490 align:middle line:84%
So you go to look at you in
your lab, have a big power

00:56:27.490 --> 00:56:32.070 align:middle line:84%
supply, a small
driver, small device.

00:56:32.070 --> 00:56:36.690 align:middle line:84%
And at the end, that
means cost, so everything

00:56:36.690 --> 00:56:38.160 align:middle line:90%
you have to consider.

00:56:38.160 --> 00:56:41.080 align:middle line:84%
And that's why some
people do micro devices.

00:56:41.080 --> 00:56:44.040 align:middle line:84%
You can actually
shrink your area,

00:56:44.040 --> 00:56:46.350 align:middle line:84%
You do a smaller
cross-section area

00:56:46.350 --> 00:56:50.340 align:middle line:84%
where you put a lot of those
together, in that case,

00:56:50.340 --> 00:56:54.790 align:middle line:84%
you get a higher resistance by
putting more of the [INAUDIBLE]

00:56:54.790 --> 00:56:55.410 align:middle line:90%
together.

00:56:55.410 --> 00:57:00.180 align:middle line:84%
So in the device, I showed the
cost around, this is about 100.

00:57:00.180 --> 00:57:05.130 align:middle line:84%
So if you multiply, 100 is only
two ohms, the total resistance

00:57:05.130 --> 00:57:06.930 align:middle line:90%
if you own this sort of device.

00:57:06.930 --> 00:57:11.820 align:middle line:84%
So it's a small
resistance, current device.

00:57:11.820 --> 00:57:16.860 align:middle line:84%
So that's the reason
to put them in series

00:57:16.860 --> 00:57:21.600 align:middle line:84%
is putting getting higher
resistance so that they

00:57:21.600 --> 00:57:23.520 align:middle line:90%
are supplied easier.

00:57:23.520 --> 00:57:26.130 align:middle line:84%
Let's say it's still
pretty large current.

00:57:26.130 --> 00:57:31.890 align:middle line:84%
And then you put them ceremony
in parallel, because the parity

00:57:31.890 --> 00:57:35.953 align:middle line:84%
from one side to the other,
electrically [INAUDIBLE].

00:57:35.953 --> 00:57:37.620 align:middle line:84%
AUDIENCE: When you
optimize your system,

00:57:37.620 --> 00:57:43.020 align:middle line:84%
then you really get that
simple number, 1, 1, 2.

00:57:43.020 --> 00:57:44.940 align:middle line:84%
GANG CHEN: Simple
number of 1, 1?

00:57:44.940 --> 00:57:48.030 align:middle line:84%
AUDIENCE: [? 100 ?] millimeter
by [? 200 ?] millimeter.

00:57:48.030 --> 00:57:50.160 align:middle line:84%
GANG CHEN: Oh, you mean--
no, no, no, no, no.

00:57:50.160 --> 00:57:51.580 align:middle line:90%
This you can charge.

00:57:51.580 --> 00:57:53.950 align:middle line:84%
You can make a long
leg to test it.

00:57:53.950 --> 00:57:57.700 align:middle line:84%
You will still get
the same delta t.

00:57:57.700 --> 00:58:00.870 align:middle line:84%
AUDIENCE: But when you
optimize the system?

00:58:00.870 --> 00:58:04.890 align:middle line:84%
GANG CHEN: Optimize means
also material cost, The?

00:58:04.890 --> 00:58:10.830 align:middle line:84%
Real world is not just you have
to match to your application.

00:58:10.830 --> 00:58:15.090 align:middle line:84%
You don't have to fix to
the geometry I pass around.

00:58:15.090 --> 00:58:19.050 align:middle line:84%
And that geometry is in
commercial production

00:58:19.050 --> 00:58:24.300 align:middle line:84%
because in fact, each
application may be different,

00:58:24.300 --> 00:58:27.540 align:middle line:84%
but the heart of the
market is too small,

00:58:27.540 --> 00:58:30.870 align:middle line:84%
so people are just selling
more standard modules.

00:58:30.870 --> 00:58:32.920 align:middle line:84%
Well, anything you
go along a standard,

00:58:32.920 --> 00:58:34.420 align:middle line:84%
you have to talk
to the manufacturer

00:58:34.420 --> 00:58:36.140 align:middle line:84%
and see whether they
can manufacture.

00:58:36.140 --> 00:58:40.190 align:middle line:90%


00:58:40.190 --> 00:58:45.980 align:middle line:84%
OK, so this is the example,
this we built before.

00:58:45.980 --> 00:58:48.770 align:middle line:84%
This is actually
measuring two legs.

00:58:48.770 --> 00:58:51.740 align:middle line:84%
There's a lot more difficult
than measuring device,

00:58:51.740 --> 00:58:54.470 align:middle line:84%
because any time you put
a thermocouple there,

00:58:54.470 --> 00:58:56.210 align:middle line:90%
you have a feed loss.

00:58:56.210 --> 00:58:58.410 align:middle line:84%
Feed loss is your
performance may diminish.

00:58:58.410 --> 00:59:01.850 align:middle line:84%
If you want to say, what's
your maximum delta t or that,

00:59:01.850 --> 00:59:08.030 align:middle line:84%
so it's a lot of time brewing
and doing the experiment,

00:59:08.030 --> 00:59:10.420 align:middle line:90%
you have your leg is mediums.

00:59:10.420 --> 00:59:15.350 align:middle line:84%
So anytime you have missing
[INAUDIBLE] the industry,

00:59:15.350 --> 00:59:18.420 align:middle line:90%
they do much more, much better.

00:59:18.420 --> 00:59:19.800 align:middle line:90%
I look at a production.

00:59:19.800 --> 00:59:24.890 align:middle line:84%
I was really amazed at what
I'm seeing the worker can do,

00:59:24.890 --> 00:59:28.130 align:middle line:84%
versus what we
can do in the lab.

00:59:28.130 --> 00:59:32.450 align:middle line:90%
That's a different environment.

00:59:32.450 --> 00:59:43.620 align:middle line:84%
But this is the 1p1n, and
this is a measurement curve.

00:59:43.620 --> 00:59:45.780 align:middle line:90%
You can see it's a large term.

00:59:45.780 --> 00:59:49.680 align:middle line:84%
In this case, we go one
fatigue along the line

00:59:49.680 --> 00:59:51.600 align:middle line:90%
through that device.

00:59:51.600 --> 00:59:56.010 align:middle line:84%
By [? line ?] absent, the use
of aggregate 1 million or 2.

00:59:56.010 --> 00:59:57.860 align:middle line:90%
So these were--

00:59:57.860 --> 01:00:01.050 align:middle line:84%
What's amazing with
that small thing,

01:00:01.050 --> 01:00:05.040 align:middle line:84%
on this side is 100 degree,
the other side is 0.

01:00:05.040 --> 01:00:09.270 align:middle line:84%
So you can derive a lot of
the other things you have.

01:00:09.270 --> 01:00:12.215 align:middle line:90%
The efficiency is not very good.

01:00:12.215 --> 01:00:12.715 align:middle line:90%
OK.

01:00:12.715 --> 01:00:15.250 align:middle line:90%


01:00:15.250 --> 01:00:18.550 align:middle line:84%
The material is dependent--
mentioned this before.

01:00:18.550 --> 01:00:24.550 align:middle line:84%
An the analysis I gave you
is for constant temperature.

01:00:24.550 --> 01:00:27.940 align:middle line:84%
So if you do real
device design, you

01:00:27.940 --> 01:00:31.060 align:middle line:84%
have to go solve
differential equations

01:00:31.060 --> 01:00:34.330 align:middle line:84%
and match the property,
consider all the temperature

01:00:34.330 --> 01:00:39.700 align:middle line:84%
dependent properties, and that
I'm not going to cover in depth.

01:00:39.700 --> 01:00:43.900 align:middle line:84%
Anybody wants to do that,
you can just do the energy

01:00:43.900 --> 01:00:46.270 align:middle line:90%
balance in differential form.

01:00:46.270 --> 01:00:48.490 align:middle line:84%
And this is the heat
conduction term.

01:00:48.490 --> 01:00:51.340 align:middle line:90%
This is the constant term.

01:00:51.340 --> 01:00:54.010 align:middle line:90%
This is [INAUDIBLE].

01:00:54.010 --> 01:00:56.920 align:middle line:84%
So that's a differential
equation locally.

01:00:56.920 --> 01:01:00.610 align:middle line:84%
And very often people
use differential analysis

01:01:00.610 --> 01:01:02.770 align:middle line:90%
to incorporate companies.

01:01:02.770 --> 01:01:06.370 align:middle line:84%
And then the boundary
has a plural term

01:01:06.370 --> 01:01:09.820 align:middle line:90%
and the positive term.

01:01:09.820 --> 01:01:12.820 align:middle line:84%
So you have a boundary condition
and a differential equation.

01:01:12.820 --> 01:01:16.743 align:middle line:84%
And so, again, this
is a [INAUDIBLE].

01:01:16.743 --> 01:01:17.410 align:middle line:90%
Y'all know what.

01:01:17.410 --> 01:01:18.870 align:middle line:90%
I want to talk in details.

01:01:18.870 --> 01:01:22.470 align:middle line:90%


01:01:22.470 --> 01:01:25.710 align:middle line:84%
And now let's look at where
those technologies are.

01:01:25.710 --> 01:01:29.160 align:middle line:84%
I have the expression
for CLT and you do

01:01:29.160 --> 01:01:31.710 align:middle line:90%
the same analysis about power.

01:01:31.710 --> 01:01:37.170 align:middle line:84%
And you get the efficiency
for power generation.

01:01:37.170 --> 01:01:39.450 align:middle line:84%
And we [INAUDIBLE]
power generation

01:01:39.450 --> 01:01:43.650 align:middle line:84%
and getting ZR inside, and
this factor is slightly

01:01:43.650 --> 01:01:45.930 align:middle line:84%
different from CLT,
but you go to check,

01:01:45.930 --> 01:01:48.720 align:middle line:90%
it's probably your first one.

01:01:48.720 --> 01:01:51.600 align:middle line:90%
And this is a part of that,

01:01:51.600 --> 01:01:53.640 align:middle line:90%
Again, it's a thermal engine.

01:01:53.640 --> 01:01:58.380 align:middle line:84%
The [? power ?] pans to
whatever your material.

01:01:58.380 --> 01:02:03.030 align:middle line:84%
You can try to [? power, ?] you
went big on this, you have 5gt,

01:02:03.030 --> 01:02:04.860 align:middle line:90%
you can go to [INAUDIBLE].

01:02:04.860 --> 01:02:12.040 align:middle line:84%
And so this is not-- so I
would say, not so accurate.

01:02:12.040 --> 01:02:16.080 align:middle line:84%
I mean, it's like
around 95 to 96.

01:02:16.080 --> 01:02:21.810 align:middle line:84%
And this is the accurate ratio
of hot to cold in Kelvin.

01:02:21.810 --> 01:02:24.600 align:middle line:90%
And this is the efficiency.

01:02:24.600 --> 01:02:30.510 align:middle line:84%
And what I put down here
is the thermal activities

01:02:30.510 --> 01:02:33.060 align:middle line:90%
at the bottom.

01:02:33.060 --> 01:02:36.170 align:middle line:84%
OK, there's another
[INAUDIBLE] picture.

01:02:36.170 --> 01:02:41.560 align:middle line:84%
First, have to do
a lot of research,

01:02:41.560 --> 01:02:46.210 align:middle line:84%
And the power
plant is about 40%.

01:02:46.210 --> 01:02:50.470 align:middle line:84%
The normal coal fired
power plant is 40%,

01:02:50.470 --> 01:02:53.670 align:middle line:84%
Internal combustion
engine is about 20%, 25%.

01:02:53.670 --> 01:02:56.450 align:middle line:90%


01:02:56.450 --> 01:02:57.380 align:middle line:90%
OK.

01:02:57.380 --> 01:03:01.760 align:middle line:84%
What I need now for the
[INAUDIBLE] is [INAUDIBLE].

01:03:01.760 --> 01:03:05.090 align:middle line:84%
Depends on amount of
silicon, about 6%,

01:03:05.090 --> 01:03:10.700 align:middle line:90%
single crystal silicon about 18%

01:03:10.700 --> 01:03:14.900 align:middle line:84%
Once you think about that, then
your picture becomes a better.

01:03:14.900 --> 01:03:18.220 align:middle line:84%
You can, in fact see
the [INAUDIBLE] use

01:03:18.220 --> 01:03:22.520 align:middle line:84%
a thermoelectric power generator
and that's about 6% to 7%

01:03:22.520 --> 01:03:24.500 align:middle line:90%
in the deep space missions.

01:03:24.500 --> 01:03:26.670 align:middle line:84%
And now in the lab, there
are people developing

01:03:26.670 --> 01:03:30.740 align:middle line:84%
similar generator using a
zt bottle, one material that

01:03:30.740 --> 01:03:36.680 align:middle line:84%
is around 40%,
copper, 40%, uranium

01:03:36.680 --> 01:03:42.660 align:middle line:84%
2 level of that's actually
very attractive [INAUDIBLE].

01:03:42.660 --> 01:03:46.440 align:middle line:84%
So it really is an application
because you don't--

01:03:46.440 --> 01:03:49.740 align:middle line:84%
at this stage, we're not
thinking you can't it's not

01:03:49.740 --> 01:03:54.930 align:middle line:84%
at that level to say I'm going
to replace major form over

01:03:54.930 --> 01:03:58.620 align:middle line:84%
in the sense of like,
we're not dealing here

01:03:58.620 --> 01:04:02.230 align:middle line:84%
with an internal
combustion engine,

01:04:02.230 --> 01:04:05.280 align:middle line:84%
but there are many
different sources where you

01:04:05.280 --> 01:04:08.700 align:middle line:90%
can potentially [INAUDIBLE].

01:04:08.700 --> 01:04:15.990 align:middle line:84%
And there is refrigeration
on this before.

01:04:15.990 --> 01:04:21.880 align:middle line:84%
and CLT, again,
depends on temperature.

01:04:21.880 --> 01:04:30.690 align:middle line:84%
And a CLT of thermal electric
compared to fossil refrigerator

01:04:30.690 --> 01:04:32.320 align:middle line:90%
is about a factor of 5.

01:04:32.320 --> 01:04:34.920 align:middle line:90%


01:04:34.920 --> 01:04:39.120 align:middle line:84%
So that's actually
probably the oddest really

01:04:39.120 --> 01:04:43.230 align:middle line:84%
want to say the
application, say really

01:04:43.230 --> 01:04:48.540 align:middle line:84%
replacing the screwdriver, I
think probably took a long time.

01:04:48.540 --> 01:04:53.070 align:middle line:84%
But again, there may be
other applications where you

01:04:53.070 --> 01:04:55.170 align:middle line:90%
can think about [INAUDIBLE].

01:04:55.170 --> 01:04:58.440 align:middle line:84%
And in fact the current
market, and I'll show later

01:04:58.440 --> 01:05:02.340 align:middle line:90%
is mostly [INAUDIBLE].

01:05:02.340 --> 01:05:10.560 align:middle line:84%
So this is where really the
engineers, you can really say,

01:05:10.560 --> 01:05:16.800 align:middle line:84%
I know the technology
is where it makes sense.

01:05:16.800 --> 01:05:21.930 align:middle line:84%
There are different areas
that it could make sense,

01:05:21.930 --> 01:05:28.710 align:middle line:84%
and commercially, mostly
standard size, standard size

01:05:28.710 --> 01:05:32.310 align:middle line:84%
people offer different
sides, but the geometry

01:05:32.310 --> 01:05:34.770 align:middle line:90%
is very similar.

01:05:34.770 --> 01:05:39.900 align:middle line:84%
The height could be in the case
of our generator for about 5,

01:05:39.900 --> 01:05:44.340 align:middle line:84%
6 millimeters, and the
coolers, the typical millimeter

01:05:44.340 --> 01:05:50.480 align:middle line:84%
in height in the neck, and the
top is a ceramic and copper

01:05:50.480 --> 01:05:51.540 align:middle line:90%
bottomed ceramic.

01:05:51.540 --> 01:05:55.340 align:middle line:84%
And [? the head, ?]
the next the next are

01:05:55.340 --> 01:05:57.930 align:middle line:90%
interconnected by copper.

01:05:57.930 --> 01:05:59.800 align:middle line:84%
So the technology
wise, they have

01:05:59.800 --> 01:06:03.940 align:middle line:84%
to put a diffusion barrier
between the copper and material,

01:06:03.940 --> 01:06:07.560 align:middle line:84%
because copper easily get
into the material that

01:06:07.560 --> 01:06:09.162 align:middle line:90%
composes in the [INAUDIBLE].

01:06:09.162 --> 01:06:12.290 align:middle line:90%


01:06:12.290 --> 01:06:20.960 align:middle line:84%
In terms of applications, this
has one standard small cooler,

01:06:20.960 --> 01:06:26.150 align:middle line:84%
this is because when you
reduce the compressor,

01:06:26.150 --> 01:06:29.720 align:middle line:84%
the compressor actually, the
smaller you make, the hotter--

01:06:29.720 --> 01:06:32.480 align:middle line:90%
the hotter you make it.

01:06:32.480 --> 01:06:36.410 align:middle line:84%
When you make a very small
compressor, of course,

01:06:36.410 --> 01:06:39.470 align:middle line:84%
the northern part is
[INAUDIBLE] and this

01:06:39.470 --> 01:06:44.890 align:middle line:84%
becomes a more attractive, so
this becomes more attractive.

01:06:44.890 --> 01:06:48.220 align:middle line:84%
A lot of the dormitory
[INAUDIBLE] refrigerators

01:06:48.220 --> 01:06:50.480 align:middle line:90%
made for somewhere like this.

01:06:50.480 --> 01:06:52.790 align:middle line:84%
And still the
efficiency, I think,

01:06:52.790 --> 01:06:56.150 align:middle line:84%
is still not as
competitive, but the cost

01:06:56.150 --> 01:06:58.170 align:middle line:90%
could be very attractive.

01:06:58.170 --> 01:07:00.720 align:middle line:90%


01:07:00.720 --> 01:07:04.980 align:middle line:84%
And then it can be as small
as just a little vial.

01:07:04.980 --> 01:07:09.300 align:middle line:84%
And the people, in fact,
that put a lot of multi-stage

01:07:09.300 --> 01:07:11.520 align:middle line:90%
to create a lot of--

01:07:11.520 --> 01:07:14.220 align:middle line:90%
each stage is a maybe--

01:07:14.220 --> 01:07:18.240 align:middle line:84%
this to about six
feet together, you

01:07:18.240 --> 01:07:23.670 align:middle line:84%
can get a commercially at
least 50, [INAUDIBLE] pounds.

01:07:23.670 --> 01:07:26.940 align:middle line:84%
So the infrared
detector were also

01:07:26.940 --> 01:07:29.580 align:middle line:84%
needed to be cool
with [INAUDIBLE].

01:07:29.580 --> 01:07:32.130 align:middle line:90%


01:07:32.130 --> 01:07:36.630 align:middle line:84%
But the main laser diode has
a somewhat like a cooler.

01:07:36.630 --> 01:07:39.880 align:middle line:84%
This is because the
wavelengths in communication,

01:07:39.880 --> 01:07:42.870 align:middle line:84%
telecommunication, the
wavelengths of this laser

01:07:42.870 --> 01:07:45.660 align:middle line:90%
are [INAUDIBLE].

01:07:45.660 --> 01:07:50.070 align:middle line:84%
So they actually use some energy
to stabilize the temperature,

01:07:50.070 --> 01:07:55.050 align:middle line:84%
not much for the [? human, ?]
but for the [INAUDIBLE]

01:07:55.050 --> 01:07:59.340 align:middle line:84%
macro DNA, we have to compare
the initial [INAUDIBLE]

01:07:59.340 --> 01:08:03.600 align:middle line:90%
naturalization and recycling.

01:08:03.600 --> 01:08:06.720 align:middle line:84%
And probably a really
good commercial example

01:08:06.720 --> 01:08:10.620 align:middle line:84%
is this company
for the American.

01:08:10.620 --> 01:08:15.600 align:middle line:84%
And they started
putting a device,

01:08:15.600 --> 01:08:20.609 align:middle line:84%
this is where you have to
look at where it makes sense,

01:08:20.609 --> 01:08:26.340 align:middle line:84%
They started to
manufacture around 2,000,

01:08:26.340 --> 01:08:32.170 align:middle line:84%
somewhere like six, and
in some high automobiles.

01:08:32.170 --> 01:08:35.430 align:middle line:84%
Now they have a market,
about 3 million models,

01:08:35.430 --> 01:08:39.630 align:middle line:90%
include the car seats.

01:08:39.630 --> 01:08:42.310 align:middle line:90%
I still have this in my car.

01:08:42.310 --> 01:08:54.460 align:middle line:84%
It's a luxury item and but
pretty well successful.

01:08:54.460 --> 01:08:57.810 align:middle line:84%
And now the DOE is
trying to even get rid

01:08:57.810 --> 01:09:00.040 align:middle line:90%
of the main air conditioner.

01:09:00.040 --> 01:09:05.340 align:middle line:84%
And the idea is that the main
air conditioning automobile will

01:09:05.340 --> 01:09:08.370 align:middle line:90%
require about 6, 7 kilowatt.

01:09:08.370 --> 01:09:12.390 align:middle line:84%
And the purpose is to
turn the engine on,

01:09:12.390 --> 01:09:13.450 align:middle line:90%
the air conditioning on.

01:09:13.450 --> 01:09:18.870 align:middle line:84%
You want to cool the whole
compartment in about 5 minutes,

01:09:18.870 --> 01:09:22.770 align:middle line:84%
but normally you do need a high
compression, large compressor.

01:09:22.770 --> 01:09:28.800 align:middle line:84%
So the question is whether they
can use this distributed cooler

01:09:28.800 --> 01:09:31.770 align:middle line:90%
into the automobile.

01:09:31.770 --> 01:09:34.455 align:middle line:84%
I'm not sure whether it will
be successful, but there

01:09:34.455 --> 01:09:35.760 align:middle line:90%
[INAUDIBLE].

01:09:35.760 --> 01:09:37.529 align:middle line:84%
And in fact, this is
a-- when you think

01:09:37.529 --> 01:09:39.310 align:middle line:90%
about where they make sense.

01:09:39.310 --> 01:09:44.899 align:middle line:84%
They find the seats,
not your offices.

01:09:44.899 --> 01:09:47.390 align:middle line:90%
Your offices, you move around.

01:09:47.390 --> 01:09:50.390 align:middle line:84%
Once you get the
car, it's there.

01:09:50.390 --> 01:09:54.820 align:middle line:84%
They plug in the power because
this means the power there.

01:09:54.820 --> 01:09:55.600 align:middle line:90%
Right?

01:09:55.600 --> 01:10:02.202 align:middle line:84%
So any other places it
could be using that--

01:10:02.202 --> 01:10:03.160 align:middle line:90%
AUDIENCE: Movie theater

01:10:03.160 --> 01:10:06.130 align:middle line:84%
GANG CHEN: Since that's
probably too big.

01:10:06.130 --> 01:10:08.260 align:middle line:90%
I was thinking about the bed.

01:10:08.260 --> 01:10:13.060 align:middle line:84%
I say there are
actual products there.

01:10:13.060 --> 01:10:17.650 align:middle line:84%
You go, I was thinking before,
I looked at the wrong products

01:10:17.650 --> 01:10:18.730 align:middle line:90%
already.

01:10:18.730 --> 01:10:21.850 align:middle line:84%
I guess the key there is
whether it's a physiologically

01:10:21.850 --> 01:10:26.390 align:middle line:84%
comfortable and also
how you reject that.

01:10:26.390 --> 01:10:29.240 align:middle line:84%
If you reject it
to the same rule,

01:10:29.240 --> 01:10:32.720 align:middle line:90%
does it make sense at the end?

01:10:32.720 --> 01:10:35.540 align:middle line:84%
So there are-- those
are all the places where

01:10:35.540 --> 01:10:37.400 align:middle line:84%
if you're an engineer,
you got to think

01:10:37.400 --> 01:10:41.780 align:middle line:84%
about where it makes
sense and where you

01:10:41.780 --> 01:10:45.550 align:middle line:90%
have a product people accept.

01:10:45.550 --> 01:10:48.850 align:middle line:84%
And with the more product
into the market, of course

01:10:48.850 --> 01:10:52.000 align:middle line:84%
there's a material
is also improving

01:10:52.000 --> 01:10:59.050 align:middle line:84%
that you have potential, further
advancing the technology.

01:10:59.050 --> 01:11:02.540 align:middle line:84%
Power generation, the
main driver in the past

01:11:02.540 --> 01:11:04.850 align:middle line:90%
is space missions.

01:11:04.850 --> 01:11:09.440 align:middle line:84%
So in once you go
beyond the Mars,

01:11:09.440 --> 01:11:11.510 align:middle line:90%
the solar radiation diminishes.

01:11:11.510 --> 01:11:13.700 align:middle line:84%
So in Mars, most
of the power still

01:11:13.700 --> 01:11:16.820 align:middle line:84%
come from the solar
panels, although there

01:11:16.820 --> 01:11:21.120 align:middle line:84%
are some electric cooler or
thermoelectric generator.

01:11:21.120 --> 01:11:24.140 align:middle line:84%
And sometimes those
generator proposal

01:11:24.140 --> 01:11:29.240 align:middle line:84%
was actually to keep
the electronics warm,

01:11:29.240 --> 01:11:35.930 align:middle line:84%
amazingly, in you go
to say beyond in the--

01:11:35.930 --> 01:11:37.790 align:middle line:90%
it's very cold in the night.

01:11:37.790 --> 01:11:39.090 align:middle line:90%
There's no power.

01:11:39.090 --> 01:11:42.290 align:middle line:84%
You need the electrical power
to heat up the electronics.

01:11:42.290 --> 01:11:47.540 align:middle line:84%
So the space mission, most
of the deep space mission

01:11:47.540 --> 01:11:49.430 align:middle line:90%
are thermoelectric power.

01:11:49.430 --> 01:11:53.060 align:middle line:84%
And that's a good news
because Galileo, for example,

01:11:53.060 --> 01:11:57.480 align:middle line:84%
send back signal for more
than 20, close to 30 years.

01:11:57.480 --> 01:11:59.400 align:middle line:84%
Galileo, eventually
the signal was not

01:11:59.400 --> 01:12:01.900 align:middle line:84%
lost a lot because the power
generator, just because

01:12:01.900 --> 01:12:04.410 align:middle line:90%
of the mission was abandoned.

01:12:04.410 --> 01:12:08.990 align:middle line:84%
Voyager, all those were based
on thermoelectric generator.

01:12:08.990 --> 01:12:11.810 align:middle line:84%
And in there, they
use a nuclear force.

01:12:11.810 --> 01:12:17.743 align:middle line:84%
So actually, I went to one deep
space conference in our pocket.

01:12:17.743 --> 01:12:19.910 align:middle line:84%
That's interesting, in the
conference outside, there

01:12:19.910 --> 01:12:22.970 align:middle line:90%
are people, space missions.

01:12:22.970 --> 01:12:26.240 align:middle line:84%
So there are outside
people protesting,

01:12:26.240 --> 01:12:28.700 align:middle line:84%
because it's the most
of the space missions

01:12:28.700 --> 01:12:30.420 align:middle line:90%
are nuclear power.

01:12:30.420 --> 01:12:33.750 align:middle line:90%


01:12:33.750 --> 01:12:34.250 align:middle line:90%
OK.

01:12:34.250 --> 01:12:37.130 align:middle line:90%
A terrestrial application.

01:12:37.130 --> 01:12:42.200 align:middle line:84%
This is a standalone
generator where,

01:12:42.200 --> 01:12:48.230 align:middle line:84%
for example, this company,
global thermoelectric

01:12:48.230 --> 01:12:53.060 align:middle line:84%
they become good business
because they sell those power

01:12:53.060 --> 01:12:57.110 align:middle line:84%
generators along to
big oil companies.

01:12:57.110 --> 01:13:01.190 align:middle line:84%
The oil company needs to
monitor their pipelines.

01:13:01.190 --> 01:13:04.850 align:middle line:84%
The pipelines, let's say
you go through Alaska.

01:13:04.850 --> 01:13:07.950 align:middle line:90%
There's no electric power there.

01:13:07.950 --> 01:13:16.800 align:middle line:84%
So they actually use the oil to
generate the heat and the power

01:13:16.800 --> 01:13:17.470 align:middle line:90%
generation.

01:13:17.470 --> 01:13:21.150 align:middle line:90%


01:13:21.150 --> 01:13:23.470 align:middle line:90%
Body power watch.

01:13:23.470 --> 01:13:25.260 align:middle line:90%
OK.

01:13:25.260 --> 01:13:28.350 align:middle line:84%
I don't think it's very
commercially successful.

01:13:28.350 --> 01:13:31.110 align:middle line:84%
The company first company
trying to market it

01:13:31.110 --> 01:13:36.630 align:middle line:90%
was a Japan company, Seiko.

01:13:36.630 --> 01:13:40.180 align:middle line:84%
I went to visit
them at the time,

01:13:40.180 --> 01:13:46.720 align:middle line:84%
and they said $3,000 is
the modern power watch.

01:13:46.720 --> 01:13:48.140 align:middle line:90%
I for one.

01:13:48.140 --> 01:13:53.400 align:middle line:84%
I say it's amazing
that the watch only

01:13:53.400 --> 01:13:57.358 align:middle line:84%
1 microwatt, 1
microwatt, that's what

01:13:57.358 --> 01:13:58.650 align:middle line:90%
I learned from the [INAUDIBLE].

01:13:58.650 --> 01:14:04.380 align:middle line:84%
The temperature difference
is 1 degree Kelvin,

01:14:04.380 --> 01:14:07.950 align:middle line:84%
a degree Celsius to
develop for this watch.

01:14:07.950 --> 01:14:09.770 align:middle line:84%
And there was a lot
of companies who

01:14:09.770 --> 01:14:13.370 align:middle line:84%
see, [? Carlheim ?] I think I
didn't go to check her watch,

01:14:13.370 --> 01:14:16.800 align:middle line:84%
but I heard now they
are still on the market.

01:14:16.800 --> 01:14:18.400 align:middle line:90%
They are selling $300.

01:14:18.400 --> 01:14:19.430 align:middle line:90%
This one, went to--

01:14:19.430 --> 01:14:22.220 align:middle line:84%
I visited and they say, well,
what's in the Smithsonian?

01:14:22.220 --> 01:14:24.150 align:middle line:90%
So today it's free.

01:14:24.150 --> 01:14:29.570 align:middle line:84%
But I think [? Carlheim ?]
it's is still about $300.

01:14:29.570 --> 01:14:30.680 align:middle line:90%
I don't have much.

01:14:30.680 --> 01:14:33.260 align:middle line:90%
I don't need a watch.

01:14:33.260 --> 01:14:39.350 align:middle line:84%
But some people are
developing body power

01:14:39.350 --> 01:14:46.730 align:middle line:84%
for, you think about the
low power electronics.

01:14:46.730 --> 01:14:51.020 align:middle line:84%
Some of these devices don't
really require a lot of people.

01:14:51.020 --> 01:14:54.750 align:middle line:84%
At the other day, I met an MIT
professor in the department,

01:14:54.750 --> 01:14:56.720 align:middle line:84%
I know [INAUDIBLE]
student there.

01:14:56.720 --> 01:15:01.100 align:middle line:84%
He has-- he said that he can
generate 300 microwatts, which

01:15:01.100 --> 01:15:03.110 align:middle line:90%
is pretty good.

01:15:03.110 --> 01:15:11.280 align:middle line:84%
And I saw Philips trying to
also develop it, the body power.

01:15:11.280 --> 01:15:17.310 align:middle line:84%
And in fact, it might be
worth the calculation to say,

01:15:17.310 --> 01:15:20.610 align:middle line:84%
I think Philips is
trying to develop a few,

01:15:20.610 --> 01:15:24.210 align:middle line:84%
where you put the body
the delta t right.

01:15:24.210 --> 01:15:32.520 align:middle line:84%
And one of the prototype I saw
is more like around the head.

01:15:32.520 --> 01:15:35.490 align:middle line:84%
Maybe it's good if you generate
enough power for the poor kids

01:15:35.490 --> 01:15:41.820 align:middle line:84%
to read like LED, now,
how much power LED is.

01:15:41.820 --> 01:15:43.020 align:middle line:90%
It's interesting to check.

01:15:43.020 --> 01:15:46.870 align:middle line:90%


01:15:46.870 --> 01:15:51.700 align:middle line:84%
This we were actually
talked a lot recently,

01:15:51.700 --> 01:15:54.670 align:middle line:84%
not because this will
create a lot of [INAUDIBLE]

01:15:54.670 --> 01:15:58.000 align:middle line:84%
in the thermoelectric
generator, but this

01:15:58.000 --> 01:16:01.000 align:middle line:84%
will be a technology
that will really

01:16:01.000 --> 01:16:04.270 align:middle line:84%
make the full area
of people [? burn. ?]

01:16:04.270 --> 01:16:09.520 align:middle line:84%
Because look, a lot
of places, people

01:16:09.520 --> 01:16:11.980 align:middle line:90%
are still cooking using wood.

01:16:11.980 --> 01:16:16.300 align:middle line:84%
I know where I grew
up, say not my place

01:16:16.300 --> 01:16:20.290 align:middle line:84%
now, but when I grew
up, I used the wood.

01:16:20.290 --> 01:16:23.140 align:middle line:84%
And in this wood, if you
ever use a wood cooking,

01:16:23.140 --> 01:16:28.120 align:middle line:84%
you will know that the
smoke doesn't burn efficient

01:16:28.120 --> 01:16:34.630 align:middle line:84%
And what the [? Phillip ?]
develop is a fan generated power

01:16:34.630 --> 01:16:37.420 align:middle line:84%
from the temperature
difference of the burning

01:16:37.420 --> 01:16:41.320 align:middle line:84%
and then drive the
burning process clean.

01:16:41.320 --> 01:16:46.690 align:middle line:84%
So it's a clean, clean
wood-burning, wood-burner.

01:16:46.690 --> 01:16:51.940 align:middle line:84%
And now they-- I heard that
they're trying to market,

01:16:51.940 --> 01:16:55.180 align:middle line:84%
but they still, this
is about 10 to 20 bucks

01:16:55.180 --> 01:16:59.980 align:middle line:84%
and people still couldn't
afford it and $20.

01:16:59.980 --> 01:17:03.780 align:middle line:84%
And so their market
is now first person

01:17:03.780 --> 01:17:05.740 align:middle line:84%
to get to world
health organization

01:17:05.740 --> 01:17:09.070 align:middle line:90%
by giving the people free.

01:17:09.070 --> 01:17:10.630 align:middle line:90%
So there are a lot of--

01:17:10.630 --> 01:17:13.360 align:middle line:84%
this one, if we can
gather, all the people

01:17:13.360 --> 01:17:20.320 align:middle line:84%
use it, it's a tremendous, their
analysis actually of CO2 problem

01:17:20.320 --> 01:17:25.390 align:middle line:84%
right, because about 2
billion people are out

01:17:25.390 --> 01:17:27.800 align:middle line:90%
of Greek in the world.

01:17:27.800 --> 01:17:30.520 align:middle line:90%
A lot of people burn this.

01:17:30.520 --> 01:17:33.400 align:middle line:84%
And if you make those
who still efficient,

01:17:33.400 --> 01:17:38.140 align:middle line:84%
reduce a lot significantly
CO2 consumption.

01:17:38.140 --> 01:17:42.760 align:middle line:84%
So the point is,
at this stage, you

01:17:42.760 --> 01:17:47.800 align:middle line:84%
have to think about where it
can make sense technologically.

01:17:47.800 --> 01:17:51.160 align:middle line:84%
Well, at the same time,
of course, none of you

01:17:51.160 --> 01:17:54.550 align:middle line:84%
are interested in
developing more efficient,

01:17:54.550 --> 01:17:57.390 align:middle line:90%
better materials.

01:17:57.390 --> 01:18:02.760 align:middle line:84%
So I go to a lot of material
conference, several industry

01:18:02.760 --> 01:18:04.290 align:middle line:90%
conference.

01:18:04.290 --> 01:18:07.800 align:middle line:84%
And one sense in the
past, the last conference

01:18:07.800 --> 01:18:08.880 align:middle line:90%
was very different.

01:18:08.880 --> 01:18:12.540 align:middle line:84%
But in the past, you see
more than 90% of the talk

01:18:12.540 --> 01:18:18.030 align:middle line:84%
are materials, and not
many talk on systems.

01:18:18.030 --> 01:18:20.440 align:middle line:84%
So this is where I
think the system,

01:18:20.440 --> 01:18:23.970 align:middle line:84%
the engineering actually can
make a good contribution there,

01:18:23.970 --> 01:18:25.920 align:middle line:84%
because a lot of
times people just say,

01:18:25.920 --> 01:18:28.450 align:middle line:84%
I have the [INAUDIBLE]
make a difference.

01:18:28.450 --> 01:18:32.280 align:middle line:84%
But ZR is only
half of the story.

01:18:32.280 --> 01:18:34.060 align:middle line:84%
Because if you look
at particular system,

01:18:34.060 --> 01:18:37.120 align:middle line:84%
right, where the cost will
come from, most likely

01:18:37.120 --> 01:18:41.500 align:middle line:90%
it's not in the generator.

01:18:41.500 --> 01:18:44.600 align:middle line:84%
It's an important part, but it
will not be the dominant one.

01:18:44.600 --> 01:18:48.230 align:middle line:84%
So this is an
object to be cooled.

01:18:48.230 --> 01:18:50.630 align:middle line:84%
The difference of similar
electrics from solar

01:18:50.630 --> 01:18:54.340 align:middle line:84%
is a solar cell, you put it in
the sun, that's your system.

01:18:54.340 --> 01:18:55.700 align:middle line:90%
You manufacture out.

01:18:55.700 --> 01:18:59.060 align:middle line:84%
You just need a frame and put
their electrical and the rest

01:18:59.060 --> 01:19:00.140 align:middle line:90%
is--

01:19:00.140 --> 01:19:04.220 align:middle line:84%
it's about half the cost or
balance of system, the inverters

01:19:04.220 --> 01:19:06.530 align:middle line:90%
or those other stuff.

01:19:06.530 --> 01:19:08.360 align:middle line:84%
But there's a much
simpler system.

01:19:08.360 --> 01:19:12.590 align:middle line:84%
Here for thermal system,
you have to establish,

01:19:12.590 --> 01:19:16.790 align:middle line:84%
you have to be able to maintain
the temperature difference,

01:19:16.790 --> 01:19:21.760 align:middle line:84%
so that means you have to take
the heat out or put the heat in.

01:19:21.760 --> 01:19:27.430 align:middle line:84%
And I once did a
calculation for system for.

01:19:27.430 --> 01:19:30.670 align:middle line:84%
And what I found is the
electric, thermal electric

01:19:30.670 --> 01:19:35.380 align:middle line:84%
material is only about a few
cents per watt, electrical.

01:19:35.380 --> 01:19:38.620 align:middle line:84%
But the cost come
from all the aluminum

01:19:38.620 --> 01:19:41.860 align:middle line:84%
that, I didn't do a very
good thermal design,

01:19:41.860 --> 01:19:46.630 align:middle line:84%
but that cost us a
few dollars per watt

01:19:46.630 --> 01:19:51.640 align:middle line:84%
because how you maintain
the DC and do the cooling

01:19:51.640 --> 01:19:54.040 align:middle line:84%
could be easily
dominant in your cost.

01:19:54.040 --> 01:19:57.220 align:middle line:84%
Not always, you have
to do a good design.

01:19:57.220 --> 01:20:02.200 align:middle line:84%
And the other is if you
think about the temperature,

01:20:02.200 --> 01:20:07.240 align:middle line:84%
so you need, for example,
household temperature is

01:20:07.240 --> 01:20:08.920 align:middle line:90%
about 22.

01:20:08.920 --> 01:20:11.020 align:middle line:90%
Think about your refrigerator.

01:20:11.020 --> 01:20:13.690 align:middle line:84%
And inside the
refrigeration, refrigerator,

01:20:13.690 --> 01:20:16.150 align:middle line:84%
let's suppose you
want a 0 degree.

01:20:16.150 --> 01:20:20.290 align:middle line:84%
So you say, I need a
22 degree solar heat.

01:20:20.290 --> 01:20:25.210 align:middle line:84%
But that means you [INAUDIBLE]
22 is your refrigeration

01:20:25.210 --> 01:20:28.780 align:middle line:84%
compartment inside,
your air outside.

01:20:28.780 --> 01:20:31.700 align:middle line:84%
Now you have to transfer
the heat to the cold side.

01:20:31.700 --> 01:20:36.830 align:middle line:84%
So this cold side must be
lower temperature than 24,

01:20:36.830 --> 01:20:41.270 align:middle line:84%
So let's suppose the 15
degrees, I give you degree.

01:20:41.270 --> 01:20:44.040 align:middle line:84%
And then the far
side, I rejected him.

01:20:44.040 --> 01:20:45.650 align:middle line:84%
You don't want
[INAUDIBLE] reject

01:20:45.650 --> 01:20:46.950 align:middle line:90%
has to go through the error.

01:20:46.950 --> 01:20:51.800 align:middle line:84%
So I have to have another
theology from here to here.

01:20:51.800 --> 01:20:54.800 align:middle line:90%
I give another 5 degrees.

01:20:54.800 --> 01:20:59.480 align:middle line:90%
OK, that's 12 plus 22.

01:20:59.480 --> 01:21:03.740 align:middle line:84%
So I need 39 degrees
rather than 22 degrees.

01:21:03.740 --> 01:21:10.370 align:middle line:84%
Now you go to 39, COP versus
22 COP will be very different.

01:21:10.370 --> 01:21:14.300 align:middle line:84%
So your system is really
a very critical part

01:21:14.300 --> 01:21:15.500 align:middle line:90%
of the consideration.

01:21:15.500 --> 01:21:18.020 align:middle line:84%
That's the
significant difference

01:21:18.020 --> 01:21:20.240 align:middle line:84%
of those thermal
systems, it could

01:21:20.240 --> 01:21:25.220 align:middle line:84%
be more expensive than
the simulated side.

01:21:25.220 --> 01:21:28.790 align:middle line:84%
Sensor, if you think
about [INAUDIBLE], right?

01:21:28.790 --> 01:21:32.780 align:middle line:84%
[INAUDIBLE], let's
suppose you want--

01:21:32.780 --> 01:21:37.340 align:middle line:84%
this is a hot gas, and you
put a similar [INAUDIBLE]

01:21:37.340 --> 01:21:41.780 align:middle line:84%
exhaust and then
you cool this side.

01:21:41.780 --> 01:21:44.690 align:middle line:84%
And you see what temperature
this system will offer.

01:21:44.690 --> 01:21:47.490 align:middle line:84%
Then you suppose
the device operate

01:21:47.490 --> 01:21:50.720 align:middle line:84%
at a uniform temperature,
not a good design.

01:21:50.720 --> 01:21:54.020 align:middle line:84%
OK let's say, I suppose,
the device offering

01:21:54.020 --> 01:21:57.290 align:middle line:84%
uniform temperature, then
the [INAUDIBLE] gas must have

01:21:57.290 --> 01:21:59.750 align:middle line:90%
a higher temperature at exist.

01:21:59.750 --> 01:22:03.260 align:middle line:84%
This temperature of the gas
must be higher than this,

01:22:03.260 --> 01:22:08.870 align:middle line:84%
otherwise heat cannot go
from gas to the hot side.

01:22:08.870 --> 01:22:09.620 align:middle line:90%
OK.

01:22:09.620 --> 01:22:11.360 align:middle line:84%
Heat only go from
high temperature

01:22:11.360 --> 01:22:13.550 align:middle line:90%
to lower temperature.

01:22:13.550 --> 01:22:18.350 align:middle line:84%
So that means if the
gas is 600 degree,

01:22:18.350 --> 01:22:20.300 align:middle line:84%
the amount of heat
I can take out

01:22:20.300 --> 01:22:24.350 align:middle line:84%
is from 600 degree to
whatever this happened.

01:22:24.350 --> 01:22:28.040 align:middle line:84%
So if you do an optimization,
it's about half,

01:22:28.040 --> 01:22:30.470 align:middle line:84%
because you need to
take the heat out

01:22:30.470 --> 01:22:33.230 align:middle line:90%
of the gas, put into the device.

01:22:33.230 --> 01:22:37.680 align:middle line:84%
So that means your
[? half-side ?] operator is 300.

01:22:37.680 --> 01:22:41.500 align:middle line:84%
So you can't do your
calculations, 600 degrees,

01:22:41.500 --> 01:22:42.930 align:middle line:90%
t what's my [INAUDIBLE]?

01:22:42.930 --> 01:22:46.160 align:middle line:90%
What's my efficiency?

01:22:46.160 --> 01:22:48.620 align:middle line:84%
And of course, you can
be more innovative.

01:22:48.620 --> 01:22:52.590 align:middle line:84%
You say, OK, I don't
operate at the same time,

01:22:52.590 --> 01:22:56.360 align:middle line:84%
but actually I operate
at a higher temperature

01:22:56.360 --> 01:23:00.080 align:middle line:84%
and my efficiency
system [INAUDIBLE].

01:23:00.080 --> 01:23:02.600 align:middle line:84%
So there you got a
lot of system design

01:23:02.600 --> 01:23:07.160 align:middle line:84%
that depends on material
availability and cost, weight,

01:23:07.160 --> 01:23:09.890 align:middle line:84%
particularly when
you do automobile.

01:23:09.890 --> 01:23:17.360 align:middle line:84%
And with that cost, and
so a lot of really--

01:23:17.360 --> 01:23:21.510 align:middle line:84%
so what I say is there's
space for both sides.

01:23:21.510 --> 01:23:23.210 align:middle line:90%
There are a lot of problems.

01:23:23.210 --> 01:23:26.270 align:middle line:84%
Engineers can make an
important contribution

01:23:26.270 --> 01:23:30.500 align:middle line:84%
and a lot of problems with
the material, [INAUDIBLE]

01:23:30.500 --> 01:23:35.810 align:middle line:84%
improvement of
chemical conditions.

01:23:35.810 --> 01:23:41.720 align:middle line:84%
You look at-- say this is not a
serious work on the other side,

01:23:41.720 --> 01:23:45.260 align:middle line:84%
because you look at where
the potential to use it,

01:23:45.260 --> 01:23:47.780 align:middle line:84%
but maybe car
generation most people

01:23:47.780 --> 01:23:52.110 align:middle line:84%
not working [INAUDIBLE]
because it is too small.

01:23:52.110 --> 01:23:56.550 align:middle line:90%


01:23:56.550 --> 01:24:02.250 align:middle line:84%
And the reality is automobile
company says 3% fuel saving,

01:24:02.250 --> 01:24:04.290 align:middle line:84%
you'll be happy
to think about it.

01:24:04.290 --> 01:24:07.200 align:middle line:90%
3% fuel is less than 1% system.

01:24:07.200 --> 01:24:09.840 align:middle line:90%


01:24:09.840 --> 01:24:12.750 align:middle line:84%
So if we are
exhausted, one third

01:24:12.750 --> 01:24:17.280 align:middle line:84%
of the wasted energy
there, one third,

01:24:17.280 --> 01:24:19.830 align:middle line:84%
let's take one half
of the heat, if I can

01:24:19.830 --> 01:24:21.810 align:middle line:90%
intercept the half of the heat.

01:24:21.810 --> 01:24:23.640 align:middle line:90%
So that's one sixth.

01:24:23.640 --> 01:24:27.990 align:middle line:84%
So my system efficiency, if
it's 6%, which you usually

01:24:27.990 --> 01:24:34.100 align:middle line:84%
can be done with a [INAUDIBLE]
not system device, 6%.

01:24:34.100 --> 01:24:38.340 align:middle line:84%
But then the question is, when
you put all this together,

01:24:38.340 --> 01:24:40.570 align:middle line:84%
your [? half-side ?]
your co-side is really

01:24:40.570 --> 01:24:44.910 align:middle line:84%
the temperature, you know,
if you internalize naturally.

01:24:44.910 --> 01:24:48.720 align:middle line:84%
So you have to think all
this, put them together

01:24:48.720 --> 01:24:51.960 align:middle line:90%
and make you have the impact.

01:24:51.960 --> 01:24:53.070 align:middle line:90%
Yeah.

01:24:53.070 --> 01:24:56.810 align:middle line:84%
So the [? BMW ?] is
a very aggressive

01:24:56.810 --> 01:25:04.320 align:middle line:84%
things, but if you put in a
market when [INAUDIBLE] is

01:25:04.320 --> 01:25:08.160 align:middle line:90%
before and after [INAUDIBLE].

01:25:08.160 --> 01:25:13.180 align:middle line:84%
It's really up to you
to find that where

01:25:13.180 --> 01:25:16.160 align:middle line:90%
it's not competitive against--

01:25:16.160 --> 01:25:21.610 align:middle line:84%
I say not competitive
against main [INAUDIBLE].

01:25:21.610 --> 01:25:24.618 align:middle line:84%
Let's say there are a lot
of places where you can be

01:25:24.618 --> 01:25:25.526 align:middle line:90%
[INAUDIBLE].

01:25:25.526 --> 01:25:28.195 align:middle line:90%


01:25:28.195 --> 01:25:29.360 align:middle line:90%
Any questions?

01:25:29.360 --> 01:25:32.460 align:middle line:90%


01:25:32.460 --> 01:25:33.710 align:middle line:90%
[INAUDIBLE]

01:25:33.710 --> 01:25:35.000 align:middle line:90%