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ARTHUR BAHR: All righty.

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So quite a lot of reading
for today and all--

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almost all pretty important.

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The good news is that,
from after today--

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well, I guess it
depends on whether--

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I guess it's up for discussion,
whether it's good news or not.

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But I think it's good news.

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We are moving from Baker
to Mitchell and Robinson

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for your grammar readings.

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And most of what you're reading
for Wednesday and Monday

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is further detail
and reinforcement

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of what got introduced in Baker.

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So Mitchell and
Robinson, the chapter

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we're reading for our next
two class sessions is--

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I think it's just called Syntax.

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So you'll get reinforcement of
a lot of the things that got

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introduced-- hey, Farnas--

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that got introduced
somewhat briefly for today.

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But we'll go through chapters
9 through 12 in order,

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starting with the
extremely brief chapter

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9 about numerals, cardinal
and ordinal numbers.

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You don't have to worry
too much about these,

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to be perfectly honest.

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The most important
thing to remember

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is that the numbers
one, two, and three--

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that is, the cardinal
numbers, one, two, and three--

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all get declined in Old English.

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So one, ān, this is on page 95--

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97, rather.

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The cardinal ān is usually
declined as a strong noun.

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When it is declined as
weak, āna, it means alone.

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So hē āna læġ, "he lay alone."

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If it is ambiguous, the form,
whether it's strong or weak,

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which, of course, it
could be, then you

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will need to use context
to help you decide.

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The cardinal numbers
two and three

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also have their own peculiar
inflectional system,

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shown below in table 9.1.

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The only real thing to
note about this table

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is that it's laid out
somewhat confusingly.

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The genitive and dative forms,
Baker's listed the forms just

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under the neuter.

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But those apply to
all the genders.

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So in other words, it's twēġa or
twēġra in the genitive of two,

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whether it's masculine,
neuter, or feminine.

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Of interest but not particular
importance is the top of 98,

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namely the fact that
starting with 70,

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Old English prefixes hund-,
which actually means 100,

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to the numbers--

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so hundseofontiġ,
hundeahtiġ, and so on.

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These curious forms seem
to reflect a number system

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common to all the earliest
Germanic languages, in which

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counting preceded by 12s.

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And 60 was a significant
number in much the same way

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that 100 is now.

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That's of cultural
interest, but not

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something you're going
to need to worry about.

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The number of times that
you see numbers of this sort

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is very, very small.

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Any questions about numbers--

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or rather, numerals, as
they are properly entitled?

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All right, then let's
move on to chapter 10--

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Adverbs, Conjunctions,
and Prepositions.

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The good news,
which Baker trumpets

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in his opening sentence, is
that these are all indeclinable.

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And so that is indeed good news.

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I don't know that I would
agree that, for that reason,

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they are relatively easy.

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That is one aspect
of them that is easy.

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But in fact, other
aspects are challenging.

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So we'll go through
those in order.

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One of the things that's
challenging about adverbs

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is, in fact, the
way that it makes--

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that the adverbial form is
made, namely by adding an -e.

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So to just make the
regular, plain old adverb,

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you add an -e to the end.

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Why is this challenging?

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Because it is yet another thing
that the -e ending can be.

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So you'll often need
to use context in order

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to distinguish the adverbial -e
ending from an -e ending that's

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a form of the adjective.

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The -or and the -ost endings
are for the comparison

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of adjectives on page 101.

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So [GARBLED]---- sorry, lēoflīcor
and lēoflīcost from lēoflīċe is

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the example that
they give in 12.2.1.

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So this is the
regular comparative

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and the superlative forms.

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10.2, switching back the page to
page 100, so the most common--

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you get a brief
paragraph at the top

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of the page on another way
in which adverbs can be made,

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namely by adding case
endings to nouns.

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This is rare.

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And it's mostly in idiomatic
expressions, some of which

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we've already seen before.

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So dæġes and nihtes,
the genitive,

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that's a relic of the
old genitive of time.

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unðances, "unwillingly,"
literally "without thanks."

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And then datives, so
nēode, literally "by need"-

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so that's a case of where you
could actually translate it

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as the noun that it is.

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And it would have
adverbial effect.

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hwīlum, literally
"at times," that one

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is actually very common.

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So hwīlum often, in
fact, I would say usually

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is adverbial rather than--

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functions adverbially even
though it's actually a noun.

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So be on the lookout
for that one.

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Common adverbs listed with
a star in table 10.1--

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I will draw attention, even
though it's not starred,

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to þæs in the right-hand
column, the lone unstarred word

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in the midst of a whole
list of starred ones.

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Afterwards, þæs, that may strike
you as strange because þæs,

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of course, is what case of se?

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AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]

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ARTHUR BAHR: Genitive.

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Yes, exactly, genitive,
singular, masculine, or neuter.

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And yet, here, it seems
to mean "afterwards."

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If you look up þæs-- and
I will do it for you.

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If you look up þæs
in Baker's glossary,

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then you will see that
it can mean also--

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so it can mean "afterwards,"
"accordingly," "therefore,"

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"to that extent."

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Þæs is a tricky word
in that respect.

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I'm not going to give you--

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on an exam, I'm not going to
make þæs behave in such a way.

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But you should be on the lookout
for it in your translations,

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all right?

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One thing to be aware of
is that the same word--

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and Baker does say this.

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The same word can often
function either as an adverb

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or as a subordinating
conjunction, which

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we get to in 10.3.

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So the difference
between these is

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that an adverb,
like for þām-- so

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let's take the let's take
for þām as a good example.

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So as an adverb, it means
"therefore"-- so literally,

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"for this reason."

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But it can also be,
if you take a look to,

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take a quick look at 10.3--

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so we're going to flip back and
forth between page 100 and 102,

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tables 10.1 and 10.3.

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It can also mean "because"--

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so subordinating
conjunction, adverb.

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All right, so the difference is
that this adverb stands alone,

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therefore, whereas the
subordinating conjunction

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introduces a subordinate
clause that's

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going to need to
have its own subject

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and verb of the
subordinating clause.

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Often, I would say, in the
prose usually, and in the poetry

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sometimes, they will
give you a hint--

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the author will give you a
hint as to which is which

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by adding this--

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by adding this indeclinable
þe introducing the clause

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version, the subordinating
conjunction version

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of the word or phrase.

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This is something to
be on the lookout for.

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But it's also something you
shouldn't necessarily always

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expect.

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We see this,
actually a similar--

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for those French
speakers among you,

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it's almost exactly
the same formulation

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that gives us the French
expression for "because,"

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par ce que, "for the reason
that" in medieval French.

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But of course, now, it's
just become combined

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into a single expression.

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Reinforcing this point that
the same word or words can

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serve either adverbial
or conjunctive functions,

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modern English is
much more comfortable

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with this ambiguity.

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So at the bottom
of page 100, Baker

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points out that we
use, in modern English,

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interrogatives,
like where and when,

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both to ask questions,
like "Where do you live?"

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and to introduce adverb clauses,
like "I know where you live,"

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or adjective clauses, "on
the street where you live."

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The same is rarely
true for Old English.

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So usually, you're going
to get some indication.

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And usually, it's this
þe or sometimes even

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the þām that does that.

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So for example, if you take a
look at æfter on table 10.1,

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there, it's an adverb, which we
would probably say "afterwards"

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in modern English.

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So even in modern
English, we do sometimes

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make a distinction between
the adverbial form of a word

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and the conjunctive
form of a word.

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It sounds a little
strange to say,

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"After, he went to the store."

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We would usually
say, "Afterwards, he

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went to the store."

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"After he went to
the store" suggests

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that the after is serving as
a subordinating conjunction

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introducing a whole clause.

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In Old English, by
contrast, æfter by itself

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is going to have the
adverbial function comparable

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to afterwards.

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And if you take a
look at 10.2, you

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see æfter þām þe, ǣr
þām þe, for þām þe.

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Those indicate the subordinating
conjunctions "after," "before,"

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and "because."

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But as you can see,
it's not uniform

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because with ǣr, for example,
it can either have the þām þe

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or not have the
þām þe, depending.

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So just be on the
lookout for that.

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And especially if you
see a þām or a þām þe,

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look for a clause along with it.

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These starred ones, you don't
have to memorize-- well,

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many of these are
Word Hoard words.

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So in that sense, you do
have to memorize them.

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You don't have to memorize them.

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They're not like the
preterite present verbs

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that I said that you
have to memorize.

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So these will only
show up on the exam

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if they've been Word Hoard words
to that point in the class.

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Top of page 102, the little
box with the exclamation point

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says explicitly what I've
just been going on about.

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The ambiguity of some
of these conjunctions

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with matching adverbs
may optionally

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be resolved by adding the
particle þe, which marks

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the word as a conjunction.

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Sometimes, they get doubled
to indicate conjunctiveness.

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So swā can mean "so" or "as."

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But swā swā always means
"as," in the sense of--

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in a conjunctive
sense-- that is to say,

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as introducing an
entire dependent clause,

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like "as the sun set" versus
"as a horse" or whatever,

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introducing a clause versus
introducing a simile,

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all right?

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Take a look at the
correlative conjunctions down

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at the bottom.

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Sorry, rather at the
middle, middle-ish of page

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102, the end of 10.3.

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Correlative conjunctions,
like modern English both ...

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and, are as follows.

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We had ǣġðer ... ġe.

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And in fact, I think
it was ǣġðer ġe ...

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ġe that meant "both ... and"
in the passage that Mike

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translated a while back.

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hwæðer ...

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oððe, meaning "whether ...
or," "not only ... but also,"

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"neither ...

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nor."

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And then þȳ and þȳ,
that's an expression,

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an adverbial use of the
instrumental that is actually

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one of the main uses of
the increasingly obsolete

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instrumental in Old
English, to have a þȳ ...

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þȳ to mean "the
[blank], the [blank],"

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as in "The more the merrier"
or "The less the better,"

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something like that, if
you're talking about something

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you don't like.

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Any questions about these
adverbs and conjunctions?

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All right, so correlation, we
got a brief introduction to it

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with just that list of
correlative conjunctions

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above 10.4.

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Correlation is a
construction in which

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an adverb at the beginning
of an independent clause

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recapitulates or anticipates
an adverb clause.

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This happens a lot
in Old English.

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It happens a little
bit in modern English.

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And Baker gives
you some examples.

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But the examples
in modern English

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are often either
totally optional-- so

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for example, the example,
"If you were in Philadelphia,

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then you must have seen
Independence Hall."

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That then is totally optional.

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We could just as easily and
probably would more naturally

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say, "If you were
in Philadelphia,

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you must have seen
Independence Hall."

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In modern English,
neither element

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of the coordinate of the
coordination-- or sorry,

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rather of the correlation,
neither element is optional.

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So you basically are
just going to get

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used to seeing both of
these, rather than just one.

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Sometimes, this
causes difficulty

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when the conjunction and the
adverb have the same form.

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So for example, take a look
at page 104, top of the page.

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These are very common.

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And this explains,
by the way, way back

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when in week 1 of this class,
when you were memorizing

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meanings of þǣr
and þā and so on,

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this explains how the same word
can mean "when" and "then."

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Specifically, þā means
"when" in the initial--

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that is to say subordinative,
subordinated part

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of the clause, and "then"
in the main clause.

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So "When you go
outside, then you

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will see the sun,"
(today at least).

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And similarly, þone
... þone, þǣr ... þǣr.

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Yeah?

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AUDIENCE: Are there any obvious
differences semantically

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or syntactically between
the use of þā and þone]?

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ARTHUR BAHR: I would say þā is
just much more common, yeah.

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So the more ambiguous word
is the more common word,

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unfortunately.

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AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]
over clarity.

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ARTHUR BAHR: Yeah, exactly,
concision over clarity.

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Are there other
semantic differences?

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þone ... þone.

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No, not that I can think of.

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Good question.

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Others?

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10.5 on prepositions,
the two things

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I want to reinforce here--

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one we previewed very
slightly last time, namely

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the distinction
between the dative

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and the accusative
case with prepositions

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that can take either.

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Typically-- and this is in the
very last part of the chapter

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on page 105--

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typically, the
dative is associated

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with location or stability while
the accusative is associated

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with movement towards.

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This isn't a 100% rule.

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But I would say it's 90% to 95%.

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The other thing that I
want to emphasize about

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prepositions we've also
seen a number of times.

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And that is how many things
individual prepositions

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can mean, which is to
say, many more things

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than the cognate preposition
in modern English.

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So for example, tō can
mean "to," "towards,"

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"at," "for," "before," "in
front," "because of," "in place

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of," "for the sake of,"
"mid," "with," "as well as,"

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"by means of."

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The other thing I
would draw attention to

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is the difference
between mid, which

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is the typical Old
English word for "with,"

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cognate with German
mit, and wið, which

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is where we get our
preposition with,

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but more often in Old
English means "against"

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or "opposite," sometimes
"towards," sometimes

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"in exchange for."

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So think withstand, withhold,
the oppositional sense

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of the prefix in those verbs,
as opposed to "with you."

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Any questions about
prepositions or indeed anything

00:21:57.390 --> 00:21:58.830 align:middle line:90%
in chapter 10 so far?

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All right, concord.

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So concord, all this
really means, chapter 11,

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is the agreement in
gender, case, and number

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between different words
that share a reference.

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So this basically
just means that parts

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of the sentence that are
grammatically related

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have to have the same case.

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So the preposition-- sorry, not
the preposition, the adjective,

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the demonstrative pronoun
that go with a given noun

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are going to match that noun
in gender, case, and number

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with the very rare
exceptions that we've

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discussed, like second person
genitives or second person

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possessive adjectives.

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So "your ring," we talked
a little bit about that.

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That goes back to chapter 5.

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AUDIENCE: The first and
second person [INAUDIBLE]..

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ARTHUR BAHR: Yeah,
exactly, sorry.

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It's the third person
that's the-- yeah,

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so that exception is covered
on the bottom of on page 43,

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5.1.2.

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But other than that, that is
one of the very few exceptions.

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The reason that this
is helpful is because--

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especially in the poetry,
is that Old English word

00:23:31.660 --> 00:23:34.270 align:middle line:84%
order is much more flexible
than modern English.

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We've seen this before.

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So bottom of page
107, Baker gives you

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a passage, a short
passage from Beowulf,

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about the coming of Grendel--

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þæt wæs yldum cūþ
þæt hie ne mōste,

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þā metod nolde se synscaþa
under sceadu bregdan.

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So hie ne mōste, that
hie looks initially

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like it's the subject
of the dependent clause.

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It could be.

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And yet, we're going to find
out that-- so two things should

00:24:12.200 --> 00:24:12.980 align:middle line:90%
give us pause.

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One is the -e ending of the
verb, which has to be singular.

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The other thing that's
even more unambiguous

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is the se in the next
line, se synscaþa.

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We know that that has
to be the subject.

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So very often in
translating-- in fact,

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I think almost always--

00:24:35.270 --> 00:24:37.310 align:middle line:84%
you should be thinking
about translating

00:24:37.310 --> 00:24:40.790 align:middle line:84%
clause for clause or
sentence for sentence

00:24:40.790 --> 00:24:45.470 align:middle line:84%
rather than word by word
because the words themselves

00:24:45.470 --> 00:24:48.320 align:middle line:84%
are going to have a more
flexible order than they

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do in modern English.

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Turning the page
to 108, sometimes,

00:24:58.130 --> 00:25:00.740 align:middle line:84%
in situations where
modern English uses

00:25:00.740 --> 00:25:02.180 align:middle line:90%
a pronoun subject--

00:25:02.180 --> 00:25:04.970 align:middle line:90%
so like "he," "they," "she"--

00:25:04.970 --> 00:25:09.410 align:middle line:84%
the Old English finite verb can
sometimes express the subject

00:25:09.410 --> 00:25:11.010 align:middle line:90%
all by itself.

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And then there are
three examples there

00:25:17.090 --> 00:25:22.610 align:middle line:84%
of that very phenomenon, namely
having an unexpressed subject

00:25:22.610 --> 00:25:26.720 align:middle line:84%
that's contained within or
rather implied within the verb

00:25:26.720 --> 00:25:27.890 align:middle line:90%
itself.

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This rarely happens, I would say
quite rarely happens in prose.

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And I will not
give you a version

00:25:37.580 --> 00:25:41.030 align:middle line:90%
of this on any of the exams.

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But especially as we
move into the poetry

00:25:44.330 --> 00:25:46.790 align:middle line:84%
for our own
translations in class,

00:25:46.790 --> 00:25:50.350 align:middle line:84%
you'll want to keep an eye
out for this possibility.

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Bottom of the page--

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or rather, bottom half of
page 108, compound subjects

00:25:59.340 --> 00:26:04.110 align:middle line:84%
may be split in Old English,
one part divided from the others

00:26:04.110 --> 00:26:07.480 align:middle line:84%
by the verb or some
other sentence fragment.

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So we basically, I think, never
do this in modern English.

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So a compound subject is
like "He and his friends

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went to the movies."

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We would never say "He went to
the movies and his friends,"

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because without the benefit
of case endings, that

00:26:30.730 --> 00:26:33.940 align:middle line:84%
makes it sound like we have not
a compound subject, but rather

00:26:33.940 --> 00:26:35.560 align:middle line:90%
a compound object.

00:26:35.560 --> 00:26:40.480 align:middle line:84%
He went, somehow in some
sense, to the movies

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and also went to his friends.

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In Old English, because of
the presence of case endings,

00:26:48.490 --> 00:26:52.060 align:middle line:84%
however ambiguous
they sometimes are,

00:26:52.060 --> 00:26:57.700 align:middle line:84%
Old English is prepared to
split up a compound subject.

00:26:57.700 --> 00:27:05.810 align:middle line:84%
Sometimes, quite dramatically,
when it does so--

00:27:05.810 --> 00:27:08.030 align:middle line:90%
and this is worth highlighting.

00:27:08.030 --> 00:27:13.520 align:middle line:84%
When this happens-- so
the paragraph beginning,

00:27:13.520 --> 00:27:17.120 align:middle line:84%
"Compound subjects may be split
in Old English," next sentence,

00:27:17.120 --> 00:27:20.030 align:middle line:84%
"When this happens,
the verb will typically

00:27:20.030 --> 00:27:22.770 align:middle line:84%
agree with the first
part of the subject."

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So in the case that
I gave you of "He"--

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if we separated this
such that it were--

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let's see, "He, to the
movies, went and his friends,"

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what would this verb--

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what form would this verb
take, singular or plural?

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AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]

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ARTHUR BAHR: Singular, exactly.

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What would the verb
be, by the way?

00:28:07.600 --> 00:28:09.700 align:middle line:84%
What is the third
singular of "went"?

00:28:09.700 --> 00:28:12.620 align:middle line:90%
Anyone got it ready to hand?

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AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]

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ARTHUR BAHR: ēode,
very good, excellent.

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If, by contrast, we
simply reversed them--

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His friends to the
movies went and he"--

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then it would be ēodon.

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Right?

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Good.

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AUDIENCE: It sounds so cursed.

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ARTHUR BAHR: It sounds what?

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AUDIENCE: Because we
still have case endings

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for our pronouns in
English, the reverse of this

00:28:38.940 --> 00:28:40.860 align:middle line:90%
sounds so much more cursed.

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To attempt to say
in modern English,

00:28:42.630 --> 00:28:46.170 align:middle line:84%
his friends went to the
movies and he is just--

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ARTHUR BAHR: Oh, "cursed," you
mean in the sense of awkward?

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AUDIENCE: Yeah.

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ARTHUR BAHR: Oh, OK.

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I thought you meant it
literally sounded like a curse.

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AUDIENCE: No, in the
casual slang sense.

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ARTHUR BAHR: Oh, I'm so glad
to learn the casual slang

00:28:58.830 --> 00:28:59.790 align:middle line:90%
sense of "cursed."

00:28:59.790 --> 00:29:03.570 align:middle line:84%
This is how I learn
things, how the youth speak

00:29:03.570 --> 00:29:05.790 align:middle line:90%
in today's vernacular.

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No, that is interesting.

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And you're right, cursed.

00:29:10.410 --> 00:29:14.160 align:middle line:90%
All right, good, excellent.

00:29:14.160 --> 00:29:18.030 align:middle line:84%
Impersonal verbs-- we've
talked a little bit about this

00:29:18.030 --> 00:29:23.610 align:middle line:84%
in the context of
þenċan, so þenċan

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taking an impersonal subject.

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So where was that?

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It was in, oh, be
þām þe hire þūhte,

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"according to what
it seemed to her,"

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namely Eve, that fruit of
the tree seemed good to eat.

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The only thing really
to know about this

00:29:45.060 --> 00:29:49.140 align:middle line:84%
is that Old English has
significantly more impersonal

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verbs than modern English.

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In fact, many languages
have more impersonal verbs

00:29:56.760 --> 00:30:00.240 align:middle line:90%
than modern English.

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"To dream," "to be hungry,"
these are some examples--

00:30:08.650 --> 00:30:12.160 align:middle line:84%
"to long for," at
the top of page 110.

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Bottom line here is just feel
free to translate colloquially

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into how we would actually
express it in modern English

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and not be--

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don't be too tethered
to a literal translation

00:30:31.600 --> 00:30:33.760 align:middle line:90%
of the grammar.

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Pronouns and antecedents--
we've already

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seen a good example
of where you have

00:30:41.430 --> 00:30:45.090 align:middle line:84%
to translate a masculine or
feminine pronoun as the neuter,

00:30:45.090 --> 00:30:48.150 align:middle line:84%
simply because of how
modern English uses

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grammatical gender, which
is to say barely at all.

00:30:51.190 --> 00:30:57.090 align:middle line:84%
So remember, in The Miracle of
Saint Benedict, se, se stān,

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we did a lot of talking
about "the stone," that

00:30:59.610 --> 00:31:02.490 align:middle line:90%
is, the masculine stone.

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So when we subsequently refer
to the stone using a pronoun,

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we had to use hē,
because the stone

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itself is masculine
grammatically.

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But you would go ahead
and translate it as it

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because we would never
talk about a stone

00:31:19.020 --> 00:31:20.543 align:middle line:84%
as-- well, I
shouldn't say never.

00:31:20.543 --> 00:31:21.960 align:middle line:84%
People talk about
a lot of things.

00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:24.600 align:middle line:84%
We would most typically
not talk about a stone

00:31:24.600 --> 00:31:25.950 align:middle line:90%
as being masculine.

00:31:25.950 --> 00:31:29.680 align:middle line:90%


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And then nouns and modifiers--

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a noun and all its
modifiers must agree in

00:31:37.300 --> 00:31:39.920 align:middle line:90%
gender, case, and number.

00:31:39.920 --> 00:31:42.700 align:middle line:90%
This sounds straightforward.

00:31:42.700 --> 00:31:44.800 align:middle line:84%
And indeed, it is
straightforward.

00:31:44.800 --> 00:31:47.440 align:middle line:84%
But the reason that it's
important to remember

00:31:47.440 --> 00:31:50.710 align:middle line:84%
is that if you turn the
page to the top of 112,

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the adjective is frequently
separated from its noun,

00:31:54.400 --> 00:32:00.040 align:middle line:84%
even in prose, and
especially in poetry.

00:32:00.040 --> 00:32:02.890 align:middle line:84%
When this happens,
the rules of concord

00:32:02.890 --> 00:32:06.430 align:middle line:84%
will help you match up the
adjective with its noun.

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And there's an example here from
the Old English poem, "Judith."

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It's talking about
"the wavy-haired one."

00:32:16.180 --> 00:32:20.920 align:middle line:84%
This is when she's about to
chop off Holofernes' head.

00:32:20.920 --> 00:32:24.910 align:middle line:84%
And well, she cuts
his head halfway off.

00:32:24.910 --> 00:32:28.150 align:middle line:84%
"Then the wavy-haired one
struck the hostile-minded enemy

00:32:28.150 --> 00:32:30.500 align:middle line:84%
with a decorated
sword so that she

00:32:30.500 --> 00:32:33.150 align:middle line:90%
cut through half of his neck."

00:32:33.150 --> 00:32:37.490 align:middle line:84%
And if you take a look up to the
Old English, Slōh ðā wundenlocc

00:32:37.490 --> 00:32:42.110 align:middle line:84%
þone fēondsceaðan
fāgum meċe, There's

00:32:42.110 --> 00:32:47.360 align:middle line:84%
a good example of a
dative of instrumentality.

00:32:47.360 --> 00:32:51.170 align:middle line:84%
And it's also a good
example, fāgum meċe.

00:32:51.170 --> 00:32:55.880 align:middle line:84%
Why is fāgum-- why doesn't
fāgum look like meċe, even

00:32:55.880 --> 00:32:57.974 align:middle line:90%
though they go together?

00:32:57.974 --> 00:33:00.660 align:middle line:90%
AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]

00:33:00.660 --> 00:33:03.600 align:middle line:84%
ARTHUR BAHR: Excellent.
fāgum is a dative singular

00:33:03.600 --> 00:33:06.030 align:middle line:90%
masculine strong adjective.

00:33:06.030 --> 00:33:09.730 align:middle line:90%


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AUDIENCE: Is that
the decorated sword?

00:33:11.520 --> 00:33:14.220 align:middle line:84%
ARTHUR BAHR: Yes, that's the
decorated sword, exactly.

00:33:14.220 --> 00:33:15.960 align:middle line:90%
And then heteþoncolne--

00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:20.370 align:middle line:90%


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There, the -þoncolne and the
healfne go together and thus

00:33:26.670 --> 00:33:30.060 align:middle line:84%
have the same ending,
despite being separated

00:33:30.060 --> 00:33:33.710 align:middle line:90%
in the sentence.

00:33:33.710 --> 00:33:34.265 align:middle line:90%
All right.

00:33:34.265 --> 00:33:37.230 align:middle line:90%


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When participles
are inflected-- so

00:33:39.630 --> 00:33:42.000 align:middle line:84%
take a look at the
very bottom of that,

00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:45.930 align:middle line:84%
just above 11.5,
that last paragraph.

00:33:45.930 --> 00:33:48.450 align:middle line:84%
Past and present
participles are often

00:33:48.450 --> 00:33:51.420 align:middle line:84%
inflected as adjectives
even when they

00:33:51.420 --> 00:33:55.500 align:middle line:90%
form periphrastic verb forms.

00:33:55.500 --> 00:33:58.710 align:middle line:84%
So in other words,
basically, all this means

00:33:58.710 --> 00:34:01.830 align:middle line:90%
is that participles--

00:34:01.830 --> 00:34:03.990 align:middle line:84%
well, participles
often get declined

00:34:03.990 --> 00:34:05.940 align:middle line:84%
in Old English in a
way that they do not

00:34:05.940 --> 00:34:08.940 align:middle line:90%
get declined in modern English.

00:34:08.940 --> 00:34:11.850 align:middle line:84%
One thing to note, when
they are inflected,

00:34:11.850 --> 00:34:15.780 align:middle line:84%
the ending -e is added to
the nominative and accusative

00:34:15.780 --> 00:34:20.949 align:middle line:84%
plural of all genders and
may occasionally be omitted.

00:34:20.949 --> 00:34:27.239 align:middle line:84%
So just keep a slightly flexible
eye out for participial forms.

00:34:27.239 --> 00:34:30.059 align:middle line:84%
But again, not something
I'm going to test you on,

00:34:30.059 --> 00:34:33.540 align:middle line:90%
on an exam, all right?

00:34:33.540 --> 00:34:37.290 align:middle line:90%
And then bad grammar, 11.5--

00:34:37.290 --> 00:34:41.159 align:middle line:84%
all that really means-- all
that Baker's really going into

00:34:41.159 --> 00:34:44.969 align:middle line:84%
is that sometimes when the
sentences get especially

00:34:44.969 --> 00:34:47.880 align:middle line:84%
complicated or often
the author gets

00:34:47.880 --> 00:34:51.300 align:middle line:84%
especially heated or especially
excited about something,

00:34:51.300 --> 00:34:53.790 align:middle line:84%
they lose track of
their case endings.

00:34:53.790 --> 00:34:55.870 align:middle line:90%
And that's fine.

00:34:55.870 --> 00:34:57.435 align:middle line:90%
Don't worry too much about it.

00:34:57.435 --> 00:35:03.950 align:middle line:90%


00:35:03.950 --> 00:35:04.760 align:middle line:90%
All right.

00:35:04.760 --> 00:35:09.990 align:middle line:84%
Let's quickly go
through chapter 12.

00:35:09.990 --> 00:35:12.470 align:middle line:84%
So you're going to get a
lot more on word order.

00:35:12.470 --> 00:35:16.310 align:middle line:84%
If you thought that the
treatment was rather cursory,

00:35:16.310 --> 00:35:17.330 align:middle line:90%
it is.

00:35:17.330 --> 00:35:18.980 align:middle line:84%
You're going to get
more on word order

00:35:18.980 --> 00:35:25.320 align:middle line:84%
when we dive into syntax next
time for Mitchell and Robinson.

00:35:25.320 --> 00:35:34.470 align:middle line:84%
But the quick start is that
most often, modern English

00:35:34.470 --> 00:35:36.120 align:middle line:90%
has an SVO--

00:35:36.120 --> 00:35:38.070 align:middle line:84%
subject, verb, object--
word order, just

00:35:38.070 --> 00:35:39.780 align:middle line:90%
like modern English.

00:35:39.780 --> 00:35:41.380 align:middle line:90%
That's handy.

00:35:41.380 --> 00:35:44.490 align:middle line:84%
And about 2/3 of
the way down page

00:35:44.490 --> 00:35:51.120 align:middle line:84%
116, "If the clause has both a
direct and an indirect object

00:35:51.120 --> 00:35:55.500 align:middle line:84%
and one of them is a pronoun,
the pronoun comes first."

00:35:55.500 --> 00:35:58.410 align:middle line:84%
This is just like
in modern English.

00:35:58.410 --> 00:36:04.260 align:middle line:84%
So here, you may hear that
"He gives us the power."

00:36:04.260 --> 00:36:05.970 align:middle line:90%
Us is the indirect object.

00:36:05.970 --> 00:36:07.000 align:middle line:90%
It's a pronoun.

00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:08.250 align:middle line:90%
So it comes first.

00:36:08.250 --> 00:36:10.900 align:middle line:90%
Power is the direct object.

00:36:10.900 --> 00:36:14.760 align:middle line:90%
And so it comes second.

00:36:14.760 --> 00:36:20.110 align:middle line:84%
All right, 12.3, this is where
it starts to get trickier.

00:36:20.110 --> 00:36:24.780 align:middle line:84%
So verb subject word order is
common in independent clauses

00:36:24.780 --> 00:36:30.240 align:middle line:84%
introduced by the adverbs
þā, þone, þǣr, þanan, þider

00:36:30.240 --> 00:36:34.960 align:middle line:84%
and the negative adverb ne
and the conjunctions and, ond,

00:36:34.960 --> 00:36:37.300 align:middle line:90%
and ac.

00:36:37.300 --> 00:36:40.060 align:middle line:84%
We've had a preview
of this before.

00:36:40.060 --> 00:36:42.890 align:middle line:90%
And I've mentioned it as well.

00:36:42.890 --> 00:36:45.790 align:middle line:84%
This is related to the
fact that Old English

00:36:45.790 --> 00:36:49.570 align:middle line:84%
in independent clauses
very much wants--

00:36:49.570 --> 00:36:52.720 align:middle line:84%
has a preference for
the conjugated verb

00:36:52.720 --> 00:36:56.060 align:middle line:84%
to be the second
element of the sentence.

00:36:56.060 --> 00:36:59.110 align:middle line:84%
So if that first element
is taken by the subject,

00:36:59.110 --> 00:37:00.760 align:middle line:90%
all's well and good.

00:37:00.760 --> 00:37:03.640 align:middle line:84%
The verb naturally takes
the second position.

00:37:03.640 --> 00:37:09.100 align:middle line:84%
If, by contrast, it's
introduced by an adverb,

00:37:09.100 --> 00:37:12.700 align:middle line:84%
then, more often, the verb
is going to be second.

00:37:12.700 --> 00:37:14.230 align:middle line:90%
And you'll get the subject.

00:37:14.230 --> 00:37:19.060 align:middle line:84%
Again, most often the subject
will be the third element,

00:37:19.060 --> 00:37:22.060 align:middle line:90%
as in the examples below.

00:37:22.060 --> 00:37:27.670 align:middle line:84%
Very occasionally, this word
order, this VS word order,

00:37:27.670 --> 00:37:30.640 align:middle line:84%
also appears in independent
clauses not introduced

00:37:30.640 --> 00:37:31.510 align:middle line:90%
by an adverb.

00:37:31.510 --> 00:37:37.450 align:middle line:84%
So wǣron hie ac swīþe
druncene, et cetera,

00:37:37.450 --> 00:37:39.770 align:middle line:90%
that's quite unusual.

00:37:39.770 --> 00:37:41.230 align:middle line:90%
So it can happen.

00:37:41.230 --> 00:37:48.760 align:middle line:84%
But typically, it's going to
happen for the other reasons.

00:37:48.760 --> 00:37:51.970 align:middle line:90%


00:37:51.970 --> 00:37:58.180 align:middle line:84%
12.4-- subject, dot,
dot, dot, verb--

00:37:58.180 --> 00:38:03.730 align:middle line:84%
this is commonly found in
subordinate clauses and clauses

00:38:03.730 --> 00:38:09.310 align:middle line:90%
introduced by and, ond, or ac.

00:38:09.310 --> 00:38:12.790 align:middle line:90%
This sort of is related to--

00:38:12.790 --> 00:38:14.590 align:middle line:84%
well, I shouldn't
say with confidence

00:38:14.590 --> 00:38:15.550 align:middle line:90%
that it's related to.

00:38:15.550 --> 00:38:20.770 align:middle line:84%
It's parallel to and seems
likely related to the fact

00:38:20.770 --> 00:38:29.500 align:middle line:84%
that German also tends to put
the conjugated verb at the end

00:38:29.500 --> 00:38:32.210 align:middle line:90%
of a dependent clause.

00:38:32.210 --> 00:38:33.880 align:middle line:90%
So we see examples.

00:38:33.880 --> 00:38:39.130 align:middle line:90%


00:38:39.130 --> 00:38:42.160 align:middle line:90%
Yeah, bottom of 119--

00:38:42.160 --> 00:38:44.170 align:middle line:84%
"If you find you're
having difficulty

00:38:44.170 --> 00:38:46.720 align:middle line:84%
locating the end of a
clause and the word order

00:38:46.720 --> 00:38:49.690 align:middle line:84%
appears to be subject, dot,
dot, dot verb, consider

00:38:49.690 --> 00:38:51.670 align:middle line:84%
the possibility that
the finite verb marks

00:38:51.670 --> 00:38:52.720 align:middle line:90%
the end of the clause."

00:38:52.720 --> 00:38:55.810 align:middle line:84%
My memory from my
dim, dim memories

00:38:55.810 --> 00:38:57.580 align:middle line:84%
of having studied
German is that that's

00:38:57.580 --> 00:39:00.845 align:middle line:84%
a pretty hard and fast
rule in modern German.

00:39:00.845 --> 00:39:02.470 align:middle line:84%
AUDIENCE: There's a
unifying linguistic

00:39:02.470 --> 00:39:07.210 align:middle line:84%
theoretical treatment of why
it's subject verb or something

00:39:07.210 --> 00:39:10.923 align:middle line:84%
verb in non-subordinate
clauses [INAUDIBLE]

00:39:10.923 --> 00:39:12.340 align:middle line:84%
the end of the
subordinate clause.

00:39:12.340 --> 00:39:14.157 align:middle line:90%
If you look up V2 syntax--

00:39:14.157 --> 00:39:15.115 align:middle line:90%
ARTHUR BAHR: V2 syntax?

00:39:15.115 --> 00:39:15.910 align:middle line:90%
AUDIENCE: It makes sense.

00:39:15.910 --> 00:39:17.035 align:middle line:90%
ARTHUR BAHR: OK, excellent.

00:39:17.035 --> 00:39:18.490 align:middle line:84%
And by the way,
this was something

00:39:18.490 --> 00:39:21.940 align:middle line:90%
that I wanted to run by folks.

00:39:21.940 --> 00:39:25.960 align:middle line:84%
Often, I get asked technical
or even sometimes not very

00:39:25.960 --> 00:39:27.820 align:middle line:84%
technical linguistic
questions that I just

00:39:27.820 --> 00:39:29.560 align:middle line:90%
don't know the answer to.

00:39:29.560 --> 00:39:33.610 align:middle line:84%
I'm totally-- I would love
to come up with some sort

00:39:33.610 --> 00:39:35.830 align:middle line:90%
of system of--

00:39:35.830 --> 00:39:39.680 align:middle line:84%
I don't know-- extra credit or
something where those of you

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who have an interest in these
questions that I can't answer--

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I think somebody--
I think it was you,

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Alyssa, said I think
there's research out there.

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We could find the answer.

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If you all want to
find the answers

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to some of these questions--

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I don't remember
what the question.

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It was--

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AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]

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ARTHUR BAHR: Yeah, exactly.

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I think it was something you
asked, Lambert, about the word

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order of negatives.

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Yeah, just let me
know if anyone wants

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to do a deep or even
shallow dive on that.

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I would love to get
a folder of answers

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to questions that I get asked so
that future students will have

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the benefits of your wisdom.

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And I promise to give
credit where credit is due.

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Where was I going with this?

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Oh, right.

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It's less of a rule
in Modern English--

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or sorry, in Old English.

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But it is a marked tendency.

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And this is
something that I will

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expect you to have some
comfort level with in the sight

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translation on the exam.

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But don't worry too
much about it just yet.

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We're going to get more
detail on word order

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when we turn to Mitchell and
Robinson's treatment of syntax

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for Wednesday and next Monday.

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All right, bottom of 12--

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sorry, bottom of 119,
12.5, correlation--

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"When a subordinate clause
and an independent clause are

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correlated and are introduced by
an ambiguous conjunction adverb

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pair, especially þā ... þā,
þone ... þone and þǣr ... þǣr,

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you can usually tell the
subordinate clause from

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the independent clause by
looking at the word order.

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In this situation, the tendency
of the independent clause

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is to have the VS word order.

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And the subordinate clause is
more likely to have SV or S,

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dot, dot, dot, V word order."

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So there are some good examples
in the little boxed section

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at the bottom of 120 that
you can take a look at.

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Unfortunately, this rule
does not work in poetry.

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In prose, it will
work most of the time,

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but you cannot count
on it absolutely.

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So be aware of the
tendency, but don't expect

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to be a hard and fast rule.

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The last part of chapter 12,
which is actually fairly--

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well, I guess you all can
decide how tricky it is.

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But it is quite common is
something called anticipation.

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So the technical
explanation is as follows.

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"When a noun clause functions
as a subject or an object,

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it must follow the verb.

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But often a pronoun, usually
þæt but sometimes hit,

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appears before the
verb anticipating

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the coming clause,"
hence the term.

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"This pronoun occurs
in the position

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that a pronoun subject or
object would normally take."

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So the examples
here are helpful.

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So ġeheald þū þȳ mīn word,
so "hold fast my words

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and don't tell them to any other
man," ġif þæt should ġelimpe--

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sorry, ġif þæt ġelimpe,
So "If that should occur"

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or "should happen"--

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notice the use of the
subjunctive, ġelimpe,

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for the potential.

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"If it should happen that
you speak with him"-- now,

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that's a case where the
anticipation actually

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translates pretty well
into modern English.

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We would say-- or
at least, we could

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say something pretty similar.

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The next example is much less
readily translated literally.

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So Hē Drihten þæt onġeat--

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So "He, the Lord,
perceived that."

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That's the first
independent clause.

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[OLD ENGLISH]

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So that first italicized
þæt is basically

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a dummy word that
alerts us to the fact,

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alerts the reader to
the fact that there's

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going to be this long dependent
clause, which is actually

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a noun clause.

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It's the object of the
verb "saw," the object

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of the verb ġeseah, all right?

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This is actually
very, very common.

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We're going to see
examples in the prose

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and also in the poetry.

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So you'll learn to get
comfortable with this by--

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you'll learn by doing, which
is the leitmotif of this class.

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But in those cases,
you do not have

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to translate the introductory,
dummy þæt, all right?

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And then periphrastic verbs--

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modern English generally keeps
the auxiliary and the verbals

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together.

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Although, we sometimes separate
them with an adverbial element.

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So "I will come quickly."

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We could say, and often
do, "I will quickly come."

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But that's about
the extent of it.

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That's about as far
as modern English

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is willing to tolerate a
separation of the auxiliary

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and the verbal.

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Old English, by contrast--
and you can see some examples

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on page 122--

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is perfectly happy to have
quite a distance between the two

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parts of the verb.

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Just keep an eye out for that.

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So you have examples of all
three of the word orders

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that we've discussed--
subject verb, verb subject,

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and subject, dot,
dot, dot, verb.

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But other than that,
that's about it

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for word order for today.

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But like I said, we're going
to get more for Wednesday.

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Any questions on any of this?

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All righty.

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