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JACK HARE: So I'm going
to begin by giving

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a recap of the last
lecture, just very briefly.

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And then we'll keep going
with where we left off before.

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So you remember we talked
about B-dot probes.

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These were little loops
of wire, like this.

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They've got some
area, A. They've

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got some magnetic field
pointing through them.

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We're only sensitive
to the component

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of the magnetic field
that is parallel

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to the normal of this loop.

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And what we want to do
is measure some voltage

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across this loop.

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And we showed that the flux
through this loop, phi,

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was going to be equal
to the integral of B dot

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ds over this area.

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And the voltage that we
were going to get out

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was going to be
equal to the time

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rate of change of the flux,
which is equal to B dot A,

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like that.

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So by measuring the
voltage on this loop

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and then integrating
it up, we can work out

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what the magnetic field is doing
as a function of time here.

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We also talked about--

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these are B-dots.

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We also talked about
Rogowski coils,

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which is effectively
a set of B-dots

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arranged around the circle.

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So we have a circle like this.

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But now, we have
a load of B-dots

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arranged all the way around.

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And we join them all together.

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And we measure the
voltage again here.

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And this tells us
something about the current

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which is flowing
through this loop here.

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And we found that the
voltage that we get out here

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is equal to the number
of turns per unit length.

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So for example, this might be
three turns per millimeter.

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The area of each of these little
loops here times by I dot--

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and there was an optional
factor of mu r here.

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This is different from 1.

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Or if it's different
from 1 because you've

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chosen a material that
saturates, like steel

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or something like that.

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So these Rogowski coils
are used for measuring

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current in a very
similar way to B-dots.

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We get out of voltage, which we
can then integrate up and find

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the current.

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So then we talked about how we
could use these simple devices

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to measure the
plasma conductivity,

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which we represented
by this symbol, sigma.

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And the bar here is just some
sort of average conductivity

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here.

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We made lots of assumptions,
such as the fact

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that we're in steady
state, which allows

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us to ditch a load of terms.

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And we then ended up
with a power balance

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where we balanced
the ohmic dissipation

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within the plasma, which is the
integral of the current density

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squared over this
plasma conductivity

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with the Poynting flux, which
is the energy we're pushing

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into the plasma in the form
of a loop voltage driven

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by our transformer.

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In the case of something
like a tokamak,

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this could be the
voltage inside a Z-pinch

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as well, and times by
the current flowing

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in that same direction here.

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And so this was a balance
between the ohmic heating

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and the external
applied power here.

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And we found that, for
something like a tokamak--

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I'm just giving you
half a donut here--

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if we put a Rogowski around
the cross-section here,

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we could measure I phi.

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And if we put a voltage
loop around the tokamak

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like this, which
will effectively

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sense the same voltage that's
being driven inside the tokamak

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by our transformer,
we measure V phi.

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So we can measure
those two things.

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And with a little bit
of rearrangement here,

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we ended up with a formula
for our conductivity,

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which was equal to I phi over V
phi with some geometric terms 2R

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over A squared, where R is the
major radius and A is the minor

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radius of our tokamak.

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And this was
particularly interesting

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because we have good models
for plasma resistivity.

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And we know that this
conductivity is proportional

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to a load of constants times
Te to the 3/2, like that.

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And so by measuring the
plasma conductivity,

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we could effectively
measure the temperature

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inside our plasma just
using two loops of wire,

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which is pretty cool.

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Finally, we started talking
about pressure balance.

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So we looked at
our MHD equation--

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J cross B minus
gradient P equals 0.

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This is steady state MHD
in completely general

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three dimensions.

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And the idea is we want to be
able to measure B and use that

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to infer the pressure.

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And so then the pressure
is an important quantity

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because the density and the
temperature of the tokamak,

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or whatever device
you're trying to measure,

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gives you the fusion
power output here.

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And we decided that
trying to solve this

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for like a three dimensional
tokamak or a stellarator

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was very hard.

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And so we were just
going to focus, just

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to start with, on a so-called
straight tokamak, which

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is just where we take the torus
and unfold it into a cylinder,

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like this.

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So we went for
cylindrical geometry.

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And we also said we would focus
on just the first two modes,

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the m equals 0 and
the m equals 1 modes.

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And this was the idea that
if we put some probe out here

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measuring the theta,
the magnetic field going

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around our little
cylinder here, we

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could decompose that B
theta, as we can always do,

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using a Fourier decomposition.

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So would have some
Bc component--

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C0.

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And then we'd have a sum over
these series of m modes from 1

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to infinity with coefficients
like Cm, [? pulse, ?] m theta--

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I'm running out of space--

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plus Sm phi m theta,
just about made it.

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OK, cool.

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And the idea is really,
most of the time,

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we're just going to be
interested in these lower order

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modes.

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But of course, if you
have lots and lots

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of B-dots and
digitizers, you might

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want to go after some of
these high order modes.

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But what we're going to
show in today's class

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is that the size of the m equals
0 mode tells you something

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about energy confinement.

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And the size of the m
equals 1 mode tells you

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something about the displacement
of your plasma, both of which

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are useful things to
be able to measure.

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So I'm going to
pause there and let

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you ask any questions
on the material

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that we covered last lecture.

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Mm-hmm?

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STUDENT: [INAUDIBLE]

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JACK HARE: Yes.

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STUDENT: [INAUDIBLE]

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JACK HARE: I haven't drawn
the return loop there.

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If you want to put
the return loop on,

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which is a good idea
for canceling out

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some of the stray fields,
when you get to this end,

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you simply wind it back here
and put it out this side.

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So one way you
can do this simply

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is you take coaxial
cable, like a BNC cable,

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you strip off the
outer conductor.

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And so you just
have the dielectric

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and the inner conductor.

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You take some magnet wire.

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And you back-wind it along the
section that you've stripped,

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and then solder it back
onto the outer sheet.

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And so that makes this
configuration very easily.

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Other questions?

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Anyone from Colombia?

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Yeah?

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STUDENT: [INAUDIBLE]

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JACK HARE: Yeah, so the
question is, does the Rogowski

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have to form a complete loop?

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Or can you go halfway?

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And the answer is,
no, you definitely

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have to form a complete loop.

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When you're deriving
this, you're

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using Ampere's law, where
you have a loop integral.

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And that requires you to do a
full circuit around the surface

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that you're integrating
around, but yeah.

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Matthew?

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STUDENT: Yeah, I think you
mentioned this last class,

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but I just want to make sure--

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JACK HARE: I can't hear you.

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And that's probably my fault.
So just give me a second.

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Can you try to
say something now?

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STUDENT: Test, test.

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JACK HARE: Yeah, OK.

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I can hear you.

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Can you say your
question again, please?

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STUDENT: Yeah, so I think you
mentioned this last class,

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but I just want to make sure.

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So another assumption in your
computation of the conductivity

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is that all the
current in the plasma

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is chemically driven, right?

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You can't have ECCD or
neutral beam-driven current

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or anything like that.

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Otherwise, that
V phi measurement

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wouldn't be accurate, right?

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JACK HARE: Yeah,
absolutely true.

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So in case anyone
didn't hear properly,

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here, we're assuming that
all the things that's

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driving the current here is to
do with a transformer that's

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driving the current.

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STUDENT: Right.

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JACK HARE: It's not to do
with waves or something else

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like that.

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If you have a tokamak
where you're driving waves,

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this very simple treatment
won't work anymore.

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But many tokamaks,
for a long time,

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they were just
inductively driven.

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STUDENT: Right, right, right.

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All right, thank you.

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JACK HARE: OK.

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Right.

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So yeah, we started
with this derivation

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with the Poynting flux.

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But I quickly simplified
it to this circuit model.

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But you're right, if I kept
the Poynting flux in there,

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then obviously I'm
capturing all of the power

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I'm putting into the plasma.

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But we wouldn't be able to do it
in this very simple way with two

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loops anymore because
these two loops are only

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measuring the contributions
to the Poynting flux

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from the transformer.

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These loops won't capture
your lower hybrid current.

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STUDENT: [INAUDIBLE]

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JACK HARE: Yeah.

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So if you know that power, if
you know how much power you're

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coupling--

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STUDENT: [INAUDIBLE]

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JACK HARE: Right, exactly.

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Yeah, so you might know you're
putting in 10 megawatts.

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But you may not be
coupling 10 megawatts.

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So yeah, any other questions?

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All right, let's keep going.

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So I'm just going to write that.

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Actually, I don't
think I need it.

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I'm not going to write
the decomposition again.

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Hopefully, you've
remembered this.

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I'll write it again if I
need it sometime later.

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So we're going to
focus, first of all,

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on the m equals 0 term
from that decomposition.

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This is often called
the diamagnetic term.

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We'll see, in fact,
that the plasma does not

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have to be diamagnetic.

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It just turns out,
for many plasmas

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we study, like tokamaks
and stellarators,

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they are diamagnetic.

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And so this is a reasonable
thing to call them.

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But we'll talk about
paramagnetism briefly as well.

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And the point of
studying this, just so

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you don't lose all
hope as we plow

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through all this mathematics--
the thing we're going for

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is it allows us to measure
the energy confinement

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time inside our plasma, tau e.

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And you probably recall
that the Lawson criterion

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depends on the density and
on this tau e quantity.

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And if you want to
put a T on there

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and call it the triple product,
you can do that as well.

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And pretty clearly,
right now, we're

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able to measure T very
roughly using two loops.

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And we're going to see it
only takes three loops of wire

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to measure tau e.

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It takes significantly
more than that

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to measure n, unfortunately.

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But we can get a
pretty decent way

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to being able to measure the
Lawson parameter for our plasma

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with just some little loops
of wire, which is pretty cool.

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So let's have a look at this.

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So the m equals 0 term,
as we discussed last week,

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is a term that says something
about the size of the plasma.

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This is something
that tells us--

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has no information whatsoever
about the azimuthal profile

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of our plasma.

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We've thrown all of that away.

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So we're only interested
in things that

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move in the radial coordinate.

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So can, for example,
take my MHD equation

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and dot it with the radial
unit vector and say,

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this is equal to 0.

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Previously, the whole
equation was equal to 0.

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But now, I don't care
about all the other terms.

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They'll be 0 by symmetry.

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I'm just going to
focus on this one.

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And that allows us to write down
a simplified form of this MHD

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equation, which is minus
dP/dR plus dBphi/dR

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times B phi upon mu 0 plus 1
upon RdR/d theta dR times B

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theta over mu 0.

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And you'll recall that all of
these mu 0's are popping out

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because we've replaced J
with the curl of B over mu 0.

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And you'll also remember
that, although we don't really

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have a theta in our
analysis because we're

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dealing with our
straight cylinder,

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we agreed that we
would still continue

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to call this direction
along the cylinder phi,

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like that, because, if we
do bend this back around

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into a torus, that's
what it'll be.

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And of course, the other
direction that's important

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here is the theta direction,
which wraps around

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[? but ?] your poloidal angle.

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OK.

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If you take this equation 1
and you spend a little bit

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of time fiddling with it--

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and this is where
I'm not going to do

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the whole derivation in class--

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you can take this
equation 1 and you

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can multiply it by R squared.

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And then you can
integrate it up--

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equation 1 times R squared
dR. And you can integrate it

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between 0 and A, where A is
the edge of your plasma, here.

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And if you do all of that
plus some rearrangement--

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and I suggest you go
away in your own time

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and give this a go,
especially if you're

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studying for quals
at MSE, because this

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is the sort of question
we love to ask--

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you will end up being
able to rearrange it

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into a dimensionless
parameter called beta theta.

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And beta theta is
defined as 2 times mu 0

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over B theta A squared.

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So this is the magnetic field
at the edge of the plasma.

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And this is multiplied
by the average pressure.

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So this is not necessarily the
standard definition of beta

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that you've seen.

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It's a definition
of beta that uses

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an average of the
magnetic pressure-- sorry,

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an average of the thermal
pressure over the whole plasma

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cross-section.

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And we're comparing that to the
magnetic pressure at the edge.

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So it's a little bit subtle
because it's not actually

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a local dimensionless parameter.

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This is an average
dimensionless parameter here.

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You've taken this.

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You've integrated it up.

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You've rearranged it
so that you have--

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on your left-hand
side of your equation,

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you have this, which is
what you're going after.

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On the right-hand
side of your equation,

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you find out you have 1 minus
B phi at the edge-- so B phi

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A squared minus the average of
B phi squared across the plasma

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cross-section over
B theta A squared.

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So again, these two
are at the edge.

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And so you could
measure them just

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using B-dot probes, which
are sitting at the edge,

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not inside your plasma.

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This one is going to give you
more trouble measuring it.

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Now, if I asked you to
measure B phi, you'd say,

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that's not a big problem.

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I'm just going to stick a B-dot
all the way around my plasma.

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And you see how this is going
to average the average B

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phi all the way over the area.

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And you say, job done.

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But I didn't ask you for B phi.

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I asked you for B squared phi.

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I also didn't ask you for B phi
squared, which you could do just

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by squaring that.

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So clearly, this is going
to cause us some problems.

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And we don't have
a diagnostic that

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just measures B squared phi.

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So we can't just
get this out easily.

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And so to make some
progress on this,

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we're going to have to
make some assumptions.

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And this is where we're making
even more assumptions in order

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to be able to make progress.

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Before we keep
going, does anyone

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have any questions about this?

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Yes?

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STUDENT: [INAUDIBLE]

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JACK HARE: All I need is for--

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the question was, can I
put a B-dot probe at A

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and have it survive?

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In fact, all I need is
for the plasma pressure

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to be 0 where I place my probe.

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And it could have been 0 at
A over 2, much further in.

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As long as it's still
0 where I put my probe,

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this will all work.

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So it needs to be a
vacuum measurement.

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There cannot be any plasma at
a larger radius than my probe.

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But yeah, OK, other questions?

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Yes?

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STUDENT: [INAUDIBLE]

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JACK HARE: It's free.

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It's a free agent.

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This is a fraction.

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The 1 is by itself.

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Yes, cool.

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I can't remember what equation
this is in Hutchinson,

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but this is definitely
one of his equations.

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Yeah, other questions?

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Yeah?

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STUDENT: [INAUDIBLE]

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JACK HARE: Yeah,
so we're bothering

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with this definition of beta.

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Actually, the beta,
it doesn't matter.

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What we've done is-- just ignore
that if you don't like it.

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I've shown that I can
write the average pressure

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in terms of some quantities.

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And we can certainly
measure these quantities.

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I could multiply this
up by the way, right?

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I could put this over
on the right-hand side.

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Then I'd have a B theta A
squared minus this blah, blah,

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blah.

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So far, it's looking good apart
from we can't measure this one.

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And we're going to explain
how to measure that.

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So if you don't like
thinking about B theta,

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just think, hey, you've measured
the average thermal pressure

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inside the plasma.

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That's already pretty good.

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So questions from Columbia?

00:19:33.470 --> 00:19:36.960 align:middle line:90%


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All right.

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Yeah, another question here?

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STUDENT: [INAUDIBLE]

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JACK HARE: Apart from the last
one, the squared term, yes,

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yeah.

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OK, good.

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So to make progress, we are
going to make some assumptions.

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This happens quite a lot.

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Some people are like,
is that assumption good?

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Well, it doesn't matter.

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It lets me keep going
with the mathematics.

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So it's good enough for now.

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If you want to do
it properly, you'll

00:19:59.920 --> 00:20:02.290 align:middle line:84%
often have to resort
to numerics as opposed

00:20:02.290 --> 00:20:03.470 align:middle line:90%
to analytical results.

00:20:03.470 --> 00:20:05.480 align:middle line:84%
So we want to make
analytical progress here.

00:20:05.480 --> 00:20:08.140 align:middle line:84%
So we're going to
assume three things--

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first of all, that our
toroidal magnetic field, B phi,

00:20:13.930 --> 00:20:18.250 align:middle line:84%
as a function of R
is roughly constant,

00:20:18.250 --> 00:20:22.910 align:middle line:84%
as in constant spatially, it
doesn't change much in R. We're

00:20:22.910 --> 00:20:31.660 align:middle line:84%
going to assume that B phi is
much, much larger than B theta.

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And we're also going to
assume that beta phi--

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and we haven't actually
defined that yet.

00:20:37.360 --> 00:20:39.610 align:middle line:84%
But if you squint over here,
you can probably work out

00:20:39.610 --> 00:20:41.370 align:middle line:90%
what it's going to look like.

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Oh no, I'll define it here.

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OK, 2 mu 0 B phi at the
edge, B phi A squared times

00:20:51.510 --> 00:20:57.020 align:middle line:84%
by the average total pressure
is much, much less than 1.

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Can anyone tell me
a system for which

00:20:58.820 --> 00:21:02.350 align:middle line:84%
this is a reasonable
set of assumptions?

00:21:02.350 --> 00:21:02.860 align:middle line:90%
Yeah?

00:21:02.860 --> 00:21:03.830 align:middle line:90%
STUDENT: [INAUDIBLE]

00:21:03.830 --> 00:21:07.120 align:middle line:84%
JACK HARE: Yeah, high aspect
ratio tokamak, high aspect ratio

00:21:07.120 --> 00:21:08.360 align:middle line:90%
stellarator as well.

00:21:08.360 --> 00:21:16.830 align:middle line:84%
So some sort of tokamak
or stellarator--

00:21:16.830 --> 00:21:20.280 align:middle line:84%
these are machines--
stellarator, OK.

00:21:20.280 --> 00:21:22.680 align:middle line:84%
These are machines where
we are deliberately

00:21:22.680 --> 00:21:26.700 align:middle line:84%
operating at low beta to avoid
MHD instabilities, where we have

00:21:26.700 --> 00:21:30.870 align:middle line:84%
a very strong toroidal
magnetic field to prevent MHD

00:21:30.870 --> 00:21:32.310 align:middle line:90%
instabilities, like the kink.

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And if you're at
high aspect ratio,

00:21:34.680 --> 00:21:39.860 align:middle line:84%
then your magnetic
field as a function of R

00:21:39.860 --> 00:21:43.670 align:middle line:84%
is going to be dropping
as roughly 1 over R.

00:21:43.670 --> 00:21:48.460 align:middle line:84%
So I just put my
circular cross-section

00:21:48.460 --> 00:21:50.988 align:middle line:84%
far enough out that
this is roughly

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constant across the
circular cross-section.

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So these are actually
not terrible assumptions

00:21:54.697 --> 00:21:56.068 align:middle line:90%
to make for certain plasmas.

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But they are violated
for other ones.

00:21:57.610 --> 00:21:59.560 align:middle line:84%
This won't work for
reversed field pinch

00:21:59.560 --> 00:22:01.180 align:middle line:90%
where this is not true.

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But it does work
quite well for these.

00:22:03.490 --> 00:22:04.810 align:middle line:90%
OK.

00:22:04.810 --> 00:22:07.370 align:middle line:84%
So using these assumptions,
what can we do?

00:22:07.370 --> 00:22:13.370 align:middle line:84%
We can say, again, that B phi
is roughly constant, which

00:22:13.370 --> 00:22:20.720 align:middle line:84%
means it's also roughly equal
to the average value of B phi.

00:22:20.720 --> 00:22:22.970 align:middle line:84%
But to take into account
the fact that B phi probably

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does vary just a little bit,
I'm going to write this as B phi

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at the edge, B phi A, plus
some small quantity delta B

00:22:33.800 --> 00:22:37.690 align:middle line:84%
phi, which will vary
as a function of R.

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If I take the
square of this then,

00:22:41.030 --> 00:22:44.360 align:middle line:84%
B phi squared, I'm going
to get something that's

00:22:44.360 --> 00:22:55.560 align:middle line:84%
roughly equal to B phi A
squared plus 2 delta B E phi A

00:22:55.560 --> 00:23:00.270 align:middle line:84%
plus a term, which is quadratic
in this small quantity, delta B

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phi.

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And we will say
that we are going

00:23:04.030 --> 00:23:06.530 align:middle line:90%
to drop the quadratic terms.

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And we're just going to
keep the linear terms here.

00:23:08.660 --> 00:23:11.368 align:middle line:84%
So this is a standard
perturbation theory trick.

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And if you squint at
this for a little bit,

00:23:13.160 --> 00:23:20.030 align:middle line:84%
you'll realize you can
then write B phi A squared

00:23:20.030 --> 00:23:30.280 align:middle line:84%
minus the average of B
phi squared is equal to 2

00:23:30.280 --> 00:23:41.460 align:middle line:84%
B phi A B phi A minus
the average of B phi.

00:23:41.460 --> 00:23:48.870 align:middle line:84%
Conveniently, this term here
is the same as this term here.

00:23:48.870 --> 00:23:50.670 align:middle line:84%
But we've now
rewritten it in terms

00:23:50.670 --> 00:23:52.840 align:middle line:90%
of things which we can measure.

00:23:52.840 --> 00:23:55.450 align:middle line:84%
So we can now finally
make some progress.

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I will say, I find this
derivation slightly hand-wavy.

00:23:59.460 --> 00:24:01.890 align:middle line:84%
And it's not in
Hutchinson's book.

00:24:01.890 --> 00:24:04.380 align:middle line:84%
He skips straight to
the result. So you

00:24:04.380 --> 00:24:06.150 align:middle line:84%
might want to sit
down and work it out

00:24:06.150 --> 00:24:08.610 align:middle line:84%
yourself and convince yourself
that it's really true.

00:24:08.610 --> 00:24:11.160 align:middle line:84%
We're definitely playing fast
and loose with our averages

00:24:11.160 --> 00:24:11.920 align:middle line:90%
as we do this.

00:24:11.920 --> 00:24:14.340 align:middle line:84%
So this suddenly
randomly including

00:24:14.340 --> 00:24:16.950 align:middle line:84%
these angle bracket signs
is maybe a little bit dodgy.

00:24:16.950 --> 00:24:18.600 align:middle line:90%
So give it a go.

00:24:18.600 --> 00:24:21.605 align:middle line:90%
You might find it interesting.

00:24:21.605 --> 00:24:22.105 align:middle line:90%
OK.

00:24:22.105 --> 00:24:24.650 align:middle line:90%


00:24:24.650 --> 00:24:33.580 align:middle line:84%
So that means we can now
write our colloidal beta

00:24:33.580 --> 00:24:42.738 align:middle line:84%
as roughly equal
to 1 plus 2 B phi A

00:24:42.738 --> 00:24:59.100 align:middle line:84%
by A minus the average of B
phi over B theta A squared.

00:24:59.100 --> 00:25:00.800 align:middle line:84%
And if I go back
and I have a look

00:25:00.800 --> 00:25:05.570 align:middle line:84%
at my little straight tokamak,
I can put in a B-dot here

00:25:05.570 --> 00:25:08.405 align:middle line:90%
to measure B theta A.

00:25:08.405 --> 00:25:13.945 align:middle line:84%
I can put it in a loop
that's aligned with phi.

00:25:13.945 --> 00:25:18.750 align:middle line:84%
And I can measure B phi A.
And as I've already said,

00:25:18.750 --> 00:25:22.200 align:middle line:84%
I can put a big loop that
goes around the entire plasma

00:25:22.200 --> 00:25:27.150 align:middle line:84%
and measure the average value
across the plasma of B phi.

00:25:27.150 --> 00:25:33.100 align:middle line:84%
If I number those
1, 2, and 3, you

00:25:33.100 --> 00:25:35.470 align:middle line:84%
can see that we
have now measured

00:25:35.470 --> 00:25:37.900 align:middle line:90%
all the things that we wanted.

00:25:37.900 --> 00:25:38.950 align:middle line:90%
Where's 2?

00:25:38.950 --> 00:25:43.580 align:middle line:90%
This one, this one, this one.

00:25:43.580 --> 00:25:45.950 align:middle line:84%
Great, so it's pretty
clear that we can actually

00:25:45.950 --> 00:25:49.160 align:middle line:84%
measure the average pressure
inside our plasma using

00:25:49.160 --> 00:25:54.680 align:middle line:84%
just three loops and
a lot of assumption.

00:25:54.680 --> 00:25:57.952 align:middle line:84%
But these assumptions are
reasonable for the sorts

00:25:57.952 --> 00:25:59.410 align:middle line:84%
of plasmas that
many of us work on.

00:25:59.410 --> 00:26:01.160 align:middle line:84%
Any questions on that
before we keep going

00:26:01.160 --> 00:26:03.125 align:middle line:84%
and I show you how to
get the [INAUDIBLE]?

00:26:03.125 --> 00:26:24.420 align:middle line:90%


00:26:24.420 --> 00:26:29.457 align:middle line:84%
Let's briefly return to
our definition for beta phi

00:26:29.457 --> 00:26:32.040 align:middle line:84%
because this tells us something
about the [? damn ?] magnetism

00:26:32.040 --> 00:26:33.340 align:middle line:90%
that I hinted at earlier.

00:26:33.340 --> 00:26:36.930 align:middle line:84%
So beta phi we can write
very simply as beta theta.

00:26:36.930 --> 00:26:40.470 align:middle line:84%
But we need to swap
out the magnetic field

00:26:40.470 --> 00:26:42.940 align:middle line:84%
theta in beta theta
for a beta phi field.

00:26:42.940 --> 00:26:47.640 align:middle line:84%
And so we just multiply this
by beta theta A squared--

00:26:47.640 --> 00:26:54.280 align:middle line:84%
sorry, not beta, B theta A
squared over B phi A squared.

00:26:54.280 --> 00:26:56.940 align:middle line:84%
And if you remember
what that looked like,

00:26:56.940 --> 00:26:59.940 align:middle line:84%
you're just swapping out
the B thetas for the B phis.

00:26:59.940 --> 00:27:02.790 align:middle line:84%
And so then you'll have
your definition of B phi.

00:27:02.790 --> 00:27:06.630 align:middle line:84%
And if we pop in this
B theta definition,

00:27:06.630 --> 00:27:14.860 align:middle line:84%
we'd end up with B theta
squared A over B phi squared

00:27:14.860 --> 00:27:23.780 align:middle line:84%
at the edge plus 2 times 1
minus the average value of B

00:27:23.780 --> 00:27:27.815 align:middle line:90%
phi over B phi at the edge.

00:27:27.815 --> 00:27:32.810 align:middle line:90%


00:27:32.810 --> 00:27:34.000 align:middle line:90%
I can't go down low enough.

00:27:34.000 --> 00:27:37.240 align:middle line:84%
But if you look at
this, you multiply it

00:27:37.240 --> 00:27:41.500 align:middle line:84%
by that ratio of B
theta over B phi.

00:27:41.500 --> 00:27:43.315 align:middle line:90%
The 1 picks up that term.

00:27:43.315 --> 00:27:47.300 align:middle line:84%
The B theta conveniently cancels
with the denominator on this.

00:27:47.300 --> 00:27:49.860 align:middle line:84%
We end up with
something like this.

00:27:49.860 --> 00:27:51.953 align:middle line:84%
We can go further than
this for the assumptions

00:27:51.953 --> 00:27:53.370 align:middle line:84%
that we've made
because we already

00:27:53.370 --> 00:27:57.190 align:middle line:84%
assumed that the poloidal
magnetic field is weak compared

00:27:57.190 --> 00:27:58.850 align:middle line:90%
to the toroidal magnetic field.

00:27:58.850 --> 00:28:01.290 align:middle line:90%
So we'll drop this.

00:28:01.290 --> 00:28:06.330 align:middle line:84%
Now, can anyone tell
me any bounds on beta?

00:28:06.330 --> 00:28:08.650 align:middle line:90%
STUDENT: [INAUDIBLE]

00:28:08.650 --> 00:28:10.128 align:middle line:90%


00:28:10.128 --> 00:28:11.170 align:middle line:90%
JACK HARE: It's positive.

00:28:11.170 --> 00:28:12.250 align:middle line:90%
Why is it positive?

00:28:12.250 --> 00:28:14.390 align:middle line:90%
STUDENT: [INAUDIBLE]

00:28:14.390 --> 00:28:21.240 align:middle line:84%
JACK HARE: So the definition
is 2 mu 0 over B phi A squared

00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:22.440 align:middle line:90%
average pressure.

00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:24.690 align:middle line:84%
Every single one of
those terms is positive.

00:28:24.690 --> 00:28:26.220 align:middle line:90%
So beta phi is positive.

00:28:26.220 --> 00:28:28.298 align:middle line:90%
It has to be.

00:28:28.298 --> 00:28:30.340 align:middle line:84%
There might be other limits
to MHD instabilities.

00:28:30.340 --> 00:28:32.930 align:middle line:84%
But this is the
most basic of them.

00:28:32.930 --> 00:28:39.050 align:middle line:84%
That also implies that this
term is positive because that's

00:28:39.050 --> 00:28:42.130 align:middle line:90%
just the same as beta phi.

00:28:42.130 --> 00:28:47.650 align:middle line:84%
So from that, we can see
that B phi at the edge

00:28:47.650 --> 00:28:49.360 align:middle line:84%
here is always
going to be larger

00:28:49.360 --> 00:28:53.550 align:middle line:90%
than the average value of B phi.

00:28:53.550 --> 00:28:57.460 align:middle line:84%
If that were not true, then
this could be a negative number,

00:28:57.460 --> 00:28:59.873 align:middle line:90%
which would be bad.

00:28:59.873 --> 00:29:02.040 align:middle line:84%
And what this is effectively
telling us is something

00:29:02.040 --> 00:29:04.990 align:middle line:84%
that you already know,
but is nice to show just

00:29:04.990 --> 00:29:09.850 align:middle line:84%
using some MHD, which is-- if
you think about your tokamak

00:29:09.850 --> 00:29:13.000 align:middle line:84%
as a function of
major radius, you've

00:29:13.000 --> 00:29:17.730 align:middle line:84%
got your magnetic field, which
is falling off as 1 upon R,

00:29:17.730 --> 00:29:18.780 align:middle line:90%
like that.

00:29:18.780 --> 00:29:23.780 align:middle line:84%
The cross-section of your
tokamak is something like this.

00:29:23.780 --> 00:29:29.230 align:middle line:84%
We have decreed that, in
fact, B phi at the edge

00:29:29.230 --> 00:29:30.370 align:middle line:90%
is the same on either side.

00:29:30.370 --> 00:29:32.680 align:middle line:84%
So maybe I need to go a
little bit further out

00:29:32.680 --> 00:29:34.300 align:middle line:90%
until this line flattens off.

00:29:34.300 --> 00:29:37.510 align:middle line:84%
But what this is saying is
that the average magnetic field

00:29:37.510 --> 00:29:40.060 align:middle line:84%
has to be less than the magnet
field of the edges, which

00:29:40.060 --> 00:29:42.010 align:middle line:84%
means that this
magnetic field has

00:29:42.010 --> 00:29:44.403 align:middle line:90%
a lovely little dip inside it.

00:29:44.403 --> 00:29:46.570 align:middle line:84%
So the magnetic field is
less than you would predict

00:29:46.570 --> 00:29:49.000 align:middle line:84%
from the 1 over R.
And it is, indeed,

00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:55.610 align:middle line:84%
that dip that the thermal
pressure sits inside, there.

00:29:55.610 --> 00:29:58.550 align:middle line:84%
So the plasma reduces
the magnetic field.

00:29:58.550 --> 00:30:07.300 align:middle line:90%


00:30:07.300 --> 00:30:10.440 align:middle line:84%
And that is the definition
of a diamagnetic substance.

00:30:10.440 --> 00:30:17.030 align:middle line:90%


00:30:17.030 --> 00:30:18.780 align:middle line:90%
Any questions on that?

00:30:18.780 --> 00:30:19.290 align:middle line:90%
Yes?

00:30:19.290 --> 00:30:21.705 align:middle line:84%
STUDENT: [INAUDIBLE]
magnetic [INAUDIBLE]?

00:30:21.705 --> 00:30:28.535 align:middle line:90%


00:30:28.535 --> 00:30:30.410 align:middle line:84%
JACK HARE: If there was
no pressure gradient,

00:30:30.410 --> 00:30:31.460 align:middle line:90%
there'd be no plasma.

00:30:31.460 --> 00:30:33.112 align:middle line:90%
And so it wouldn't happen.

00:30:33.112 --> 00:30:34.320 align:middle line:90%
There would just be a vacuum.

00:30:34.320 --> 00:30:35.990 align:middle line:84%
You can't have a plasma
with pressure gradient

00:30:35.990 --> 00:30:37.790 align:middle line:84%
because you need to
have a plasma which

00:30:37.790 --> 00:30:41.200 align:middle line:84%
has 0 pressure A because
otherwise you don't

00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:42.293 align:middle line:90%
have the edge of a plasma.

00:30:42.293 --> 00:30:44.710 align:middle line:84%
And if you have no gradients,
then the only other pressure

00:30:44.710 --> 00:30:46.877 align:middle line:84%
available to the plasma
throughout the entire volume

00:30:46.877 --> 00:30:48.241 align:middle line:90%
is 0, yeah.

00:30:48.241 --> 00:30:50.596 align:middle line:90%
STUDENT: [INAUDIBLE]

00:30:50.596 --> 00:30:55.495 align:middle line:90%


00:30:55.495 --> 00:30:57.620 align:middle line:84%
JACK HARE: It would, under
these strong assumptions

00:30:57.620 --> 00:30:58.827 align:middle line:90%
that we've made.

00:30:58.827 --> 00:31:01.160 align:middle line:84%
And we're going to talk about
relaxing these assumptions

00:31:01.160 --> 00:31:02.952 align:middle line:84%
and finding a plasma
which is paramagnetic,

00:31:02.952 --> 00:31:05.520 align:middle line:84%
which actually enhances the
magnetic field, in a moment.

00:31:05.520 --> 00:31:07.790 align:middle line:84%
But for something
like a tokamak,

00:31:07.790 --> 00:31:11.090 align:middle line:84%
then this is always
paramagnetic--

00:31:11.090 --> 00:31:14.430 align:middle line:90%
diamagnetic, sorry, yeah.

00:31:14.430 --> 00:31:16.790 align:middle line:90%
Other questions?

00:31:16.790 --> 00:31:18.380 align:middle line:90%
Hm?

00:31:18.380 --> 00:31:20.632 align:middle line:90%
STUDENT: [INAUDIBLE]

00:31:20.632 --> 00:31:36.940 align:middle line:90%


00:31:36.940 --> 00:31:40.830 align:middle line:84%
JACK HARE: I mean, this
is a pretty good model.

00:31:40.830 --> 00:31:43.230 align:middle line:84%
You can go to
Hutchinson's textbook

00:31:43.230 --> 00:31:45.540 align:middle line:84%
and see measurements
he made in 1973 when

00:31:45.540 --> 00:31:48.750 align:middle line:84%
I assume his mustache
was absolutely brilliant.

00:31:48.750 --> 00:31:50.167 align:middle line:84%
And he does a very
good job there.

00:31:50.167 --> 00:31:52.417 align:middle line:84%
The error bars are quite
tight on measuring the energy

00:31:52.417 --> 00:31:53.200 align:middle line:90%
confinement time.

00:31:53.200 --> 00:31:55.710 align:middle line:84%
So this was possible
in the '70s.

00:31:55.710 --> 00:31:57.547 align:middle line:84%
So I imagine it is
still possible now.

00:31:57.547 --> 00:31:59.880 align:middle line:84%
We're going to go on a little
bit about how difficult it

00:31:59.880 --> 00:32:02.530 align:middle line:84%
is because effectively
you're trying to measure--

00:32:02.530 --> 00:32:03.630 align:middle line:90%
it's a very small dip.

00:32:03.630 --> 00:32:05.070 align:middle line:90%
I've made it look very big here.

00:32:05.070 --> 00:32:06.570 align:middle line:84%
But of course, the
actual difference

00:32:06.570 --> 00:32:08.795 align:middle line:84%
between the toroidal
magnetic field

00:32:08.795 --> 00:32:10.920 align:middle line:84%
at the edge and the average
toroidal magnetic field

00:32:10.920 --> 00:32:13.450 align:middle line:84%
is very small because
the beta is so low.

00:32:13.450 --> 00:32:15.450 align:middle line:84%
So this is a very difficult
measurement to make.

00:32:15.450 --> 00:32:17.820 align:middle line:84%
But as Hutchinson
said in his book,

00:32:17.820 --> 00:32:21.210 align:middle line:84%
if you do it very carefully,
you can get reasonable results

00:32:21.210 --> 00:32:21.760 align:middle line:90%
from it.

00:32:21.760 --> 00:32:25.410 align:middle line:84%
So yeah, I think it is a real
technique that one can use.

00:32:25.410 --> 00:32:26.985 align:middle line:90%
Yeah?

00:32:26.985 --> 00:32:29.235 align:middle line:84%
STUDENT: [INAUDIBLE] so this
A [INAUDIBLE] first where

00:32:29.235 --> 00:32:31.900 align:middle line:90%
[INAUDIBLE]?

00:32:31.900 --> 00:32:33.940 align:middle line:84%
JACK HARE: Yes, the
A refers to a point

00:32:33.940 --> 00:32:35.080 align:middle line:90%
where pressure goes to 0.

00:32:35.080 --> 00:32:37.510 align:middle line:84%
I'm saying at the edge
of the vacuum chamber

00:32:37.510 --> 00:32:39.410 align:middle line:84%
because it definitely
should go to 0 there.

00:32:39.410 --> 00:32:42.610 align:middle line:84%
But if you want to put A further
out, you can also do that, yeah.

00:32:42.610 --> 00:32:45.310 align:middle line:84%
STUDENT: Does it
matter [INAUDIBLE]?

00:32:45.310 --> 00:32:46.842 align:middle line:84%
JACK HARE: Oh, it
absolutely matters

00:32:46.842 --> 00:32:48.800 align:middle line:84%
that it's outside the
last closed flux surface.

00:32:48.800 --> 00:32:51.500 align:middle line:84%
You cannot have any plasma
further out than this probe

00:32:51.500 --> 00:32:53.300 align:middle line:84%
because that plasma
could carry current.

00:32:53.300 --> 00:32:55.175 align:middle line:84%
And that would violate
all of the assumptions

00:32:55.175 --> 00:32:56.170 align:middle line:90%
we've made so far.

00:32:56.170 --> 00:32:57.628 align:middle line:84%
STUDENT: So if
there's [INAUDIBLE]?

00:32:57.628 --> 00:33:00.730 align:middle line:90%


00:33:00.730 --> 00:33:02.088 align:middle line:90%
JACK HARE: I don't understand.

00:33:02.088 --> 00:33:04.630 align:middle line:84%
I would never put a B-dot probe
inside [? the ?] [? last-- ?]

00:33:04.630 --> 00:33:06.940 align:middle line:84%
even anywhere close to
the last closed vector.

00:33:06.940 --> 00:33:09.460 align:middle line:84%
You'd have them very far away
because of reasons mentioned

00:33:09.460 --> 00:33:11.390 align:middle line:90%
earlier, that they would melt.

00:33:11.390 --> 00:33:12.470 align:middle line:90%
STUDENT: Right, OK.

00:33:12.470 --> 00:33:14.178 align:middle line:84%
JACK HARE: So let me
give you an example.

00:33:14.178 --> 00:33:17.620 align:middle line:84%
If this is your tokamak
with a divertor,

00:33:17.620 --> 00:33:21.040 align:middle line:84%
we've got our core plasma and
we've got all of this stuff

00:33:21.040 --> 00:33:22.630 align:middle line:90%
here.

00:33:22.630 --> 00:33:25.480 align:middle line:84%
You can just put your B-dots
out here, somewhere where

00:33:25.480 --> 00:33:27.250 align:middle line:90%
the pressure is equal to 0.

00:33:27.250 --> 00:33:30.070 align:middle line:84%
The pressure is not equal to 0
in the last closed flux service.

00:33:30.070 --> 00:33:32.380 align:middle line:84%
And it's not equal
to 0 in the core.

00:33:32.380 --> 00:33:35.050 align:middle line:84%
And that effectively reflects
that there is some plasma there.

00:33:35.050 --> 00:33:40.060 align:middle line:84%
That plasma could carry some
toroidal current density.

00:33:40.060 --> 00:33:42.737 align:middle line:84%
And that would mess with of
the magnetic field calculations

00:33:42.737 --> 00:33:44.320 align:middle line:84%
we've been doing
where we've carefully

00:33:44.320 --> 00:33:48.340 align:middle line:84%
assumed that there is no further
plasma carrying current outside.

00:33:48.340 --> 00:33:50.590 align:middle line:84%
So we certainly
couldn't suddenly

00:33:50.590 --> 00:33:53.880 align:middle line:84%
introduce a blob
of plasma out here.

00:33:53.880 --> 00:33:56.402 align:middle line:90%
That would ruin our day, yeah.

00:33:56.402 --> 00:33:58.807 align:middle line:90%
STUDENT: [INAUDIBLE]

00:33:58.807 --> 00:34:05.070 align:middle line:90%


00:34:05.070 --> 00:34:07.300 align:middle line:84%
JACK HARE: I mean, the
pressure of the plasma

00:34:07.300 --> 00:34:08.409 align:middle line:90%
has to go to 0 somewhere.

00:34:08.409 --> 00:34:10.449 align:middle line:84%
Otherwise, it has
no edge, right?

00:34:10.449 --> 00:34:12.670 align:middle line:84%
And you can define where
that goes, like you say,

00:34:12.670 --> 00:34:15.260 align:middle line:84%
by sticking a limiter
in, like that.

00:34:15.260 --> 00:34:18.260 align:middle line:84%
And so you can put it anywhere
that is behind the limiter,

00:34:18.260 --> 00:34:18.760 align:middle line:90%
yeah.

00:34:18.760 --> 00:34:19.659 align:middle line:90%
STUDENT: OK, cool.

00:34:19.659 --> 00:34:20.949 align:middle line:90%
Anywhere?

00:34:20.949 --> 00:34:23.605 align:middle line:84%
JACK HARE: Anywhere where the
plasma pressure is 0, yes.

00:34:23.605 --> 00:34:26.235 align:middle line:90%


00:34:26.235 --> 00:34:29.600 align:middle line:84%
Yeah, I see a
question from online.

00:34:29.600 --> 00:34:30.929 align:middle line:90%
STUDENT: Hi there.

00:34:30.929 --> 00:34:37.014 align:middle line:84%
So my question is about the B
phi at the edge on both sides.

00:34:37.014 --> 00:34:38.389 align:middle line:84%
You said at one
point that we are

00:34:38.389 --> 00:34:40.940 align:middle line:84%
like confining them to be
the same on either edge.

00:34:40.940 --> 00:34:43.159 align:middle line:90%
And so it's the dip?

00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:46.409 align:middle line:84%
JACK HARE: Yeah, so we
made an assumption here

00:34:46.409 --> 00:34:48.699 align:middle line:90%
that B phi was roughly constant.

00:34:48.699 --> 00:34:50.598 align:middle line:90%
So all I'm saying--

00:34:50.598 --> 00:34:54.150 align:middle line:84%
probably I shouldn't have drawn
the diagram exactly like this.

00:34:54.150 --> 00:35:00.210 align:middle line:84%
In the model that we're doing
at the moment, what we have is

00:35:00.210 --> 00:35:03.780 align:middle line:90%
a plasma like this.

00:35:03.780 --> 00:35:06.150 align:middle line:84%
And we're saying that
the magnetic field

00:35:06.150 --> 00:35:15.792 align:middle line:84%
up to the edge of our plasma
is some value B phi A.

00:35:15.792 --> 00:35:18.720 align:middle line:84%
And inside that,
it has some dip.

00:35:18.720 --> 00:35:20.490 align:middle line:84%
We don't know the
exact shape of the dip.

00:35:20.490 --> 00:35:24.060 align:middle line:84%
That's going to be due
to the current profile.

00:35:24.060 --> 00:35:28.270 align:middle line:84%
So the dip could look
like this, for example.

00:35:28.270 --> 00:35:31.515 align:middle line:90%
But I'm just-- some sort of dip.

00:35:31.515 --> 00:35:32.390 align:middle line:90%
Does that make sense?

00:35:32.390 --> 00:35:33.723 align:middle line:90%
STUDENT: Yeah, that makes sense.

00:35:33.723 --> 00:35:36.810 align:middle line:90%
And then the thermal energy is--

00:35:36.810 --> 00:35:39.000 align:middle line:84%
the thermal-- what did
you say about thermal?

00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:39.870 align:middle line:90%
I missed that part.

00:35:39.870 --> 00:35:41.100 align:middle line:84%
You said there was
a thermal energy--

00:35:41.100 --> 00:35:42.000 align:middle line:84%
JACK HARE: Well, we'll go
through it in a little bit

00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:43.000 align:middle line:90%
more detail in a moment.

00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:45.918 align:middle line:84%
But the thermal pressure here is
just the thermal energy density.

00:35:45.918 --> 00:35:48.210 align:middle line:84%
So you can measure the thermal
energy inside the plasma

00:35:48.210 --> 00:35:51.220 align:middle line:84%
now that you know the average
thermal energy density.

00:35:51.220 --> 00:35:51.880 align:middle line:90%
STUDENT: OK.

00:35:51.880 --> 00:35:53.740 align:middle line:84%
JACK HARE: Yeah, we'll get
to that in a second, yeah.

00:35:53.740 --> 00:35:54.740 align:middle line:90%
OK, more questions here?

00:35:54.740 --> 00:35:55.463 align:middle line:90%
Yeah?

00:35:55.463 --> 00:35:57.140 align:middle line:90%
STUDENT: [INAUDIBLE]

00:35:57.140 --> 00:35:58.940 align:middle line:90%


00:35:58.940 --> 00:36:00.470 align:middle line:84%
JACK HARE: We haven't
got there yet.

00:36:00.470 --> 00:36:03.797 align:middle line:84%
If you'll wait five
minutes, I will get there.

00:36:03.797 --> 00:36:04.880 align:middle line:90%
The big reveal at the end.

00:36:04.880 --> 00:36:06.812 align:middle line:90%
OK, other questions?

00:36:06.812 --> 00:36:09.242 align:middle line:90%
STUDENT: [INAUDIBLE]

00:36:09.242 --> 00:36:17.040 align:middle line:90%


00:36:17.040 --> 00:36:19.680 align:middle line:84%
JACK HARE: Well, the way
we've done this is we

00:36:19.680 --> 00:36:23.130 align:middle line:84%
have taken such a
large aspect ratio

00:36:23.130 --> 00:36:27.640 align:middle line:84%
that our 1 over R is
effectively constant

00:36:27.640 --> 00:36:29.215 align:middle line:90%
where we've chosen this.

00:36:29.215 --> 00:36:32.620 align:middle line:84%
This is our unwrapping of
our torus into a cylinder.

00:36:32.620 --> 00:36:33.647 align:middle line:90%
It's not true.

00:36:33.647 --> 00:36:35.980 align:middle line:84%
And we will talk a little bit
about the not truthfulness

00:36:35.980 --> 00:36:38.850 align:middle line:90%
of it in a moment as well.

00:36:38.850 --> 00:36:42.350 align:middle line:90%
Any other questions?

00:36:42.350 --> 00:36:45.730 align:middle line:84%
Cool, I'm just going to raise
these answers to questions.

00:36:45.730 --> 00:36:46.870 align:middle line:90%
And then I'll keep going.

00:36:46.870 --> 00:36:51.310 align:middle line:90%


00:36:51.310 --> 00:36:54.150 align:middle line:84%
So I want to briefly
touch on times when

00:36:54.150 --> 00:36:56.445 align:middle line:90%
we have paramagnetism instead.

00:36:56.445 --> 00:37:07.720 align:middle line:90%


00:37:07.720 --> 00:37:12.570 align:middle line:84%
So in the case where our
poloidal magnetic field is not

00:37:12.570 --> 00:37:19.393 align:middle line:84%
necessarily much smaller than
our toroidal magnetic field,

00:37:19.393 --> 00:37:20.810 align:middle line:84%
that doesn't
necessarily mean it's

00:37:20.810 --> 00:37:22.550 align:middle line:84%
bigger than the
toroidal magnetic field.

00:37:22.550 --> 00:37:25.920 align:middle line:84%
It might just be that
it's not negligible.

00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:29.400 align:middle line:84%
If you go and you work through
this equation and stare at it

00:37:29.400 --> 00:37:32.220 align:middle line:84%
for a little bit, it's
actually pretty obvious

00:37:32.220 --> 00:37:38.150 align:middle line:84%
that you can end up with a
situation in which B phi is

00:37:38.150 --> 00:37:43.490 align:middle line:84%
greater than B phi A, where
the average B phi is greater

00:37:43.490 --> 00:37:54.510 align:middle line:84%
than B phi A. So that would be a
situation which looks like that.

00:37:54.510 --> 00:37:57.450 align:middle line:84%
Anyone got any idea what's going
on here, why that could happen?

00:37:57.450 --> 00:38:03.180 align:middle line:90%


00:38:03.180 --> 00:38:03.750 align:middle line:90%
Yeah?

00:38:03.750 --> 00:38:05.714 align:middle line:90%
STUDENT: [INAUDIBLE]

00:38:05.714 --> 00:38:07.747 align:middle line:90%


00:38:07.747 --> 00:38:08.830 align:middle line:90%
JACK HARE: That'd be cool.

00:38:08.830 --> 00:38:11.690 align:middle line:90%


00:38:11.690 --> 00:38:14.085 align:middle line:84%
Dynamo is forbidden in
axisymmetric systems

00:38:14.085 --> 00:38:14.960 align:middle line:90%
by Cowling's theorem.

00:38:14.960 --> 00:38:16.070 align:middle line:90%
So I think we can't have that.

00:38:16.070 --> 00:38:17.300 align:middle line:90%
But OK, it'd be a good idea.

00:38:17.300 --> 00:38:18.664 align:middle line:90%
Yeah?

00:38:18.664 --> 00:38:21.024 align:middle line:90%
STUDENT: [INAUDIBLE]

00:38:21.024 --> 00:38:22.153 align:middle line:90%


00:38:22.153 --> 00:38:22.820 align:middle line:90%
JACK HARE: Good.

00:38:22.820 --> 00:38:24.960 align:middle line:90%
OK, so let's draw that out.

00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:28.300 align:middle line:84%
So let's start with
a big plasma that

00:38:28.300 --> 00:38:32.320 align:middle line:84%
has got a uniform
magnetic field across it.

00:38:32.320 --> 00:38:38.800 align:middle line:84%
But this plasma also has some
current going in this direction.

00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:46.740 align:middle line:90%


00:38:46.740 --> 00:38:53.730 align:middle line:84%
And that current is generating
a poloidal magnetic field,

00:38:53.730 --> 00:38:54.450 align:middle line:90%
B theta.

00:38:54.450 --> 00:38:57.460 align:middle line:84%
And this poloidal magnetic field
is allowed inside the plasma

00:38:57.460 --> 00:38:58.290 align:middle line:90%
as well, of course.

00:38:58.290 --> 00:39:00.840 align:middle line:90%


00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:03.245 align:middle line:84%
This configuration
gives rise to J

00:39:03.245 --> 00:39:07.430 align:middle line:84%
cross B forces, which
will always pinch inwards.

00:39:07.430 --> 00:39:08.990 align:middle line:90%
These are pinching forces.

00:39:08.990 --> 00:39:12.290 align:middle line:84%
This is like two wires
attracting that you know about

00:39:12.290 --> 00:39:13.440 align:middle line:90%
from electromagnetism.

00:39:13.440 --> 00:39:16.270 align:middle line:90%
So this is your J cross B force.

00:39:16.270 --> 00:39:20.110 align:middle line:84%
Now, the magnetic field inside
a sufficiently conducting plasma

00:39:20.110 --> 00:39:21.680 align:middle line:90%
is frozen to it.

00:39:21.680 --> 00:39:24.880 align:middle line:84%
So as this plasma compresses,
the magnetic field

00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:26.930 align:middle line:90%
inside will also be compressed.

00:39:26.930 --> 00:39:31.540 align:middle line:84%
So we'll end up with a situation
where the plasma is now smaller,

00:39:31.540 --> 00:39:34.630 align:middle line:84%
the magnetic field on the
outside is still pinned,

00:39:34.630 --> 00:39:38.090 align:middle line:84%
but the magnetic
field on the inside

00:39:38.090 --> 00:39:40.827 align:middle line:84%
can have some
pattern which, again,

00:39:40.827 --> 00:39:43.160 align:middle line:84%
is going to depend on some
details of how the current is

00:39:43.160 --> 00:39:48.260 align:middle line:84%
distributed such that this
condition is fulfilled.

00:39:48.260 --> 00:39:51.180 align:middle line:90%


00:39:51.180 --> 00:39:55.140 align:middle line:84%
And it turns out, if you
go through mathematically,

00:39:55.140 --> 00:39:58.230 align:middle line:84%
whether you get ferromagnetism
or diamagnetism depends

00:39:58.230 --> 00:40:05.520 align:middle line:84%
not on beta phi, but it
depends on beta theta.

00:40:05.520 --> 00:40:10.260 align:middle line:84%
And if you have beta theta
less than 1, it's diamagnetic.

00:40:10.260 --> 00:40:13.190 align:middle line:84%
And if you have beta
theta greater than 1,

00:40:13.190 --> 00:40:15.210 align:middle line:90%
it's paramagnetic.

00:40:15.210 --> 00:40:17.160 align:middle line:84%
Don't ask me what happens
if it's equal to 1,

00:40:17.160 --> 00:40:18.240 align:middle line:90%
probably nothing.

00:40:18.240 --> 00:40:22.720 align:middle line:84%
So cool, and so that
situation, can anyone

00:40:22.720 --> 00:40:24.890 align:middle line:84%
tell me some sort of device
where this could happen?

00:40:24.890 --> 00:40:27.280 align:middle line:84%
So this was relevant for
stellarators and tokamaks.

00:40:27.280 --> 00:40:30.610 align:middle line:84%
Any sorts of devices
where this could occur?

00:40:30.610 --> 00:40:33.962 align:middle line:90%
STUDENT: [INAUDIBLE]

00:40:33.962 --> 00:40:35.670 align:middle line:84%
JACK HARE: Yeah,
Z-pinches don't actually

00:40:35.670 --> 00:40:38.710 align:middle line:90%
have a toroidal magnetic field.

00:40:38.710 --> 00:40:41.160 align:middle line:84%
So it wouldn't work, but a
screw pinch would, a generic

00:40:41.160 --> 00:40:42.858 align:middle line:90%
screw pinch, Yeah.

00:40:42.858 --> 00:40:44.400 align:middle line:84%
Something like a
reversed field pinch

00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:46.120 align:middle line:90%
is like the classic example.

00:40:46.120 --> 00:40:48.960 align:middle line:84%
So reversed field pinches,
which look topologically

00:40:48.960 --> 00:40:51.845 align:middle line:84%
like tokamaks, fulfill
this condition here.

00:40:51.845 --> 00:40:53.220 align:middle line:84%
In fact, they have
a region where

00:40:53.220 --> 00:40:55.290 align:middle line:84%
the toroidal magnetic
field goes to 0

00:40:55.290 --> 00:40:57.870 align:middle line:84%
and reverses, hence
reversed field pinch.

00:40:57.870 --> 00:41:00.780 align:middle line:84%
And they definitely see
this paramagnetic effect.

00:41:00.780 --> 00:41:03.940 align:middle line:90%


00:41:03.940 --> 00:41:05.310 align:middle line:90%
Yeah?

00:41:05.310 --> 00:41:07.540 align:middle line:90%
STUDENT: [INAUDIBLE]

00:41:07.540 --> 00:41:09.640 align:middle line:84%
JACK HARE: Yeah, I think
you probably would, yes.

00:41:09.640 --> 00:41:13.440 align:middle line:90%


00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:15.090 align:middle line:84%
Sorry, for Columbia
people, I think

00:41:15.090 --> 00:41:18.950 align:middle line:84%
you would see this in a
[? sparmac, ?] but I don't know.

00:41:18.950 --> 00:41:21.260 align:middle line:84%
Any questions from Colombia
or anyone else in the room?

00:41:21.260 --> 00:41:24.670 align:middle line:90%


00:41:24.670 --> 00:41:26.300 align:middle line:90%
Yeah?

00:41:26.300 --> 00:41:28.460 align:middle line:90%
STUDENT: [INAUDIBLE]

00:41:28.460 --> 00:41:35.697 align:middle line:90%


00:41:35.697 --> 00:41:37.573 align:middle line:84%
JACK HARE: Ah, that's
a good question.

00:41:37.573 --> 00:41:38.990 align:middle line:84%
I guess the way
we're coming at it

00:41:38.990 --> 00:41:40.760 align:middle line:84%
here is what we can
measure and so what

00:41:40.760 --> 00:41:43.250 align:middle line:84%
we can learn about
our plasma rather than

00:41:43.250 --> 00:41:45.320 align:middle line:90%
what we can do to our plasma.

00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:48.870 align:middle line:84%
So I'm not sure Hutchinson
goes into much detail on this.

00:41:48.870 --> 00:41:52.860 align:middle line:84%
I'm not sure the answer
to your question there.

00:41:52.860 --> 00:41:54.690 align:middle line:84%
Yeah, I don't have
a good answer.

00:41:54.690 --> 00:41:57.620 align:middle line:90%


00:41:57.620 --> 00:41:58.890 align:middle line:90%
STUDENT: I have a question.

00:41:58.890 --> 00:42:00.760 align:middle line:90%
JACK HARE: Yes, please.

00:42:00.760 --> 00:42:03.560 align:middle line:84%
STUDENT: So how does this
relate to the diamagnetic drift?

00:42:03.560 --> 00:42:06.080 align:middle line:84%
Often in a tokamak,
if it's diamagnetic,

00:42:06.080 --> 00:42:08.750 align:middle line:84%
there will be some poloidal
drift associated with it.

00:42:08.750 --> 00:42:11.870 align:middle line:84%
But does that drift
[? switch ?] direction

00:42:11.870 --> 00:42:14.082 align:middle line:90%
in the paramagnetic case?

00:42:14.082 --> 00:42:15.790 align:middle line:84%
JACK HARE: Yeah, that's
a great question.

00:42:15.790 --> 00:42:17.415 align:middle line:84%
So if people didn't
hear, how does this

00:42:17.415 --> 00:42:19.390 align:middle line:84%
relate to diamagnetic
drifts that we talk about

00:42:19.390 --> 00:42:20.980 align:middle line:90%
from single particle motion?

00:42:20.980 --> 00:42:22.710 align:middle line:84%
The answer is this
is equivalent.

00:42:22.710 --> 00:42:24.270 align:middle line:84%
So you can get
these same results

00:42:24.270 --> 00:42:26.790 align:middle line:84%
by following single
particles as they orbit.

00:42:26.790 --> 00:42:28.472 align:middle line:84%
And you can also
get it from MHD,

00:42:28.472 --> 00:42:30.930 align:middle line:84%
which is quite nice because
you can't always get everything

00:42:30.930 --> 00:42:32.710 align:middle line:90%
single particle from MHD.

00:42:32.710 --> 00:42:36.100 align:middle line:84%
But in this case, MHD
retains that information.

00:42:36.100 --> 00:42:38.520 align:middle line:84%
And so think, in the
paramagnetic case, you're right.

00:42:38.520 --> 00:42:40.020 align:middle line:84%
The drifts in the
opposite direction

00:42:40.020 --> 00:42:43.250 align:middle line:84%
would cancel the
magnetic field, yeah.

00:42:43.250 --> 00:42:50.090 align:middle line:84%
STUDENT: [INAUDIBLE] theta theta
that [INAUDIBLE] definition?

00:42:50.090 --> 00:42:52.130 align:middle line:84%
JACK HARE: No, it's
still this one.

00:42:52.130 --> 00:42:56.870 align:middle line:90%


00:42:56.870 --> 00:42:58.520 align:middle line:84%
So it's at that
beta theta, yeah.

00:42:58.520 --> 00:43:03.250 align:middle line:90%


00:43:03.250 --> 00:43:07.060 align:middle line:84%
All right, let's measure
the energy confinement time.

00:43:07.060 --> 00:43:30.930 align:middle line:90%


00:43:30.930 --> 00:43:33.540 align:middle line:84%
So all of this has
led up to us being

00:43:33.540 --> 00:43:43.650 align:middle line:84%
able to measure the
volume averaged pressure.

00:43:43.650 --> 00:43:48.810 align:middle line:84%
And we found that we could do
that using B theta at the edge,

00:43:48.810 --> 00:43:55.770 align:middle line:84%
B phi at the edge, and
the average of B phi.

00:43:55.770 --> 00:43:57.390 align:middle line:84%
The reason we might
want to do that

00:43:57.390 --> 00:44:00.980 align:middle line:84%
is that this average
thermal pressure

00:44:00.980 --> 00:44:04.400 align:middle line:84%
is just equal to the density
times the temperature.

00:44:04.400 --> 00:44:06.140 align:middle line:84%
Using temperature
in energy units,

00:44:06.140 --> 00:44:07.970 align:middle line:84%
we swallow the
Boltzmann constant.

00:44:07.970 --> 00:44:17.250 align:middle line:84%
And the stored thermal energy
is just equal to this average

00:44:17.250 --> 00:44:22.020 align:middle line:84%
energy density times the volume
of our plasma times a factor

00:44:22.020 --> 00:44:24.522 align:middle line:84%
of 3/2, which comes from
equipartition in three

00:44:24.522 --> 00:44:26.730 align:middle line:84%
dimensions And you've probably
seen from ideal gases.

00:44:26.730 --> 00:44:28.188 align:middle line:84%
And I'm not going
to go through it.

00:44:28.188 --> 00:44:29.850 align:middle line:90%
But just, it's there.

00:44:29.850 --> 00:44:31.460 align:middle line:90%
Cool.

00:44:31.460 --> 00:44:37.190 align:middle line:84%
So the trouble is measuring this
is still difficult because--

00:44:37.190 --> 00:44:38.540 align:middle line:90%
where's my board with it on--

00:44:38.540 --> 00:44:43.810 align:middle line:90%


00:44:43.810 --> 00:44:46.840 align:middle line:84%
the thing that we're measuring
in order to get this pressure

00:44:46.840 --> 00:44:49.190 align:middle line:84%
is the ratio of
these two things.

00:44:49.190 --> 00:44:52.977 align:middle line:84%
And it turns out that this dip
is going to be very, very small.

00:44:52.977 --> 00:44:55.310 align:middle line:84%
And so it's going to be very,
very hard to measure this.

00:44:55.310 --> 00:44:57.810 align:middle line:84%
So I'm going to
put that back now.

00:44:57.810 --> 00:45:00.560 align:middle line:90%


00:45:00.560 --> 00:45:04.820 align:middle line:84%
The thing we're trying to
measure, all of the errors

00:45:04.820 --> 00:45:07.985 align:middle line:84%
are going to come from
the average value of B

00:45:07.985 --> 00:45:12.150 align:middle line:90%
phi over B phi at the edge.

00:45:12.150 --> 00:45:15.080 align:middle line:90%
And this is going to be--

00:45:15.080 --> 00:45:17.730 align:middle line:84%
it's going to vary
within about 10%.

00:45:17.730 --> 00:45:21.330 align:middle line:84%
So it's not really the right
use of approximately equal sign,

00:45:21.330 --> 00:45:24.510 align:middle line:90%
so 10% variation.

00:45:24.510 --> 00:45:28.210 align:middle line:90%


00:45:28.210 --> 00:45:30.030 align:middle line:84%
So this is difficult
to measure accurately.

00:45:30.030 --> 00:45:31.650 align:middle line:90%
But you can still do it.

00:45:31.650 --> 00:45:35.020 align:middle line:90%
It is hard, but possible.

00:45:35.020 --> 00:45:38.630 align:middle line:84%
And as I said, you should
have a look in the textbook.

00:45:38.630 --> 00:45:42.810 align:middle line:84%
There's a very nice figure from
a tokamak, I think in Australia.

00:45:42.810 --> 00:45:46.353 align:middle line:84%
And they still had tokamaks
where they did this.

00:45:46.353 --> 00:45:48.020 align:middle line:84%
And the reason you
might want to do that

00:45:48.020 --> 00:45:51.080 align:middle line:84%
is because you might want to
calculate the energy confinement

00:45:51.080 --> 00:45:52.610 align:middle line:90%
time.

00:45:52.610 --> 00:45:56.990 align:middle line:84%
So can anyone tell me a useful
definition for the energy

00:45:56.990 --> 00:45:58.340 align:middle line:90%
confinement time?

00:45:58.340 --> 00:46:00.200 align:middle line:84%
And you can do it
in words, if you

00:46:00.200 --> 00:46:01.760 align:middle line:90%
don't want to do it in formula.

00:46:01.760 --> 00:46:06.242 align:middle line:90%


00:46:06.242 --> 00:46:07.238 align:middle line:90%
Mm-hmm?

00:46:07.238 --> 00:46:10.226 align:middle line:90%
STUDENT: [INAUDIBLE]

00:46:10.226 --> 00:46:11.298 align:middle line:90%


00:46:11.298 --> 00:46:12.090 align:middle line:90%
JACK HARE: Perfect.

00:46:12.090 --> 00:46:13.060 align:middle line:90%
Thank you very much.

00:46:13.060 --> 00:46:16.765 align:middle line:84%
So it is defined as
the total stored energy

00:46:16.765 --> 00:46:20.500 align:middle line:90%
W over the input power.

00:46:20.500 --> 00:46:22.510 align:middle line:84%
And I'm writing that
as a big P because it's

00:46:22.510 --> 00:46:23.890 align:middle line:90%
not the same as our little p.

00:46:23.890 --> 00:46:26.170 align:middle line:90%
It's the power going in.

00:46:26.170 --> 00:46:32.240 align:middle line:90%
So as I said, this is simply--

00:46:32.240 --> 00:46:33.990 align:middle line:84%
well, I'm not going
to write it out again.

00:46:33.990 --> 00:46:36.070 align:middle line:90%
It's there.

00:46:36.070 --> 00:46:40.660 align:middle line:84%
And this, or an ohmically
driven, inductively driven

00:46:40.660 --> 00:46:42.730 align:middle line:84%
tokamak, doesn't include
all the other heating

00:46:42.730 --> 00:46:44.770 align:middle line:84%
terms you might
want to do is going

00:46:44.770 --> 00:46:52.580 align:middle line:84%
to be I phi squared RP where
this is the plasma resistivity

00:46:52.580 --> 00:46:53.900 align:middle line:90%
or plasma resistance.

00:46:53.900 --> 00:46:56.570 align:middle line:84%
So we're treating the entire
plasma, the entire donut

00:46:56.570 --> 00:47:07.560 align:middle line:84%
here, as some sort of resistor
with resistance RP, like that.

00:47:07.560 --> 00:47:08.160 align:middle line:90%
OK.

00:47:08.160 --> 00:47:11.640 align:middle line:84%
And if you crank the
handle on all of this,

00:47:11.640 --> 00:47:15.120 align:middle line:84%
you remember the
volume of your torus

00:47:15.120 --> 00:47:21.660 align:middle line:84%
is pi A squared times
2 pi r, at least

00:47:21.660 --> 00:47:26.610 align:middle line:84%
for large aspect ratio torus so
that we have a simple formula.

00:47:26.610 --> 00:47:32.160 align:middle line:84%
And you remember that
your toroidal make--

00:47:32.160 --> 00:47:34.320 align:middle line:84%
your toroidal current
from Ampere's law

00:47:34.320 --> 00:47:45.640 align:middle line:84%
is going to be 2 pi A B theta
at the edge over mu 0 squared.

00:47:45.640 --> 00:47:56.850 align:middle line:84%
You can write all of this
triumphantly as 3/8 mu 0 beta

00:47:56.850 --> 00:48:03.730 align:middle line:90%
theta R over RP.

00:48:03.730 --> 00:48:06.572 align:middle line:84%
I personally dislike the way
that we use R here because these

00:48:06.572 --> 00:48:07.780 align:middle line:90%
are completely different R's.

00:48:07.780 --> 00:48:09.800 align:middle line:84%
It makes it look like
it's a ratio of things

00:48:09.800 --> 00:48:10.842 align:middle line:90%
with the same quantities.

00:48:10.842 --> 00:48:18.450 align:middle line:84%
But this is the R for your
torus, the major radius.

00:48:18.450 --> 00:48:22.830 align:middle line:84%
And this, again as we said,
is the plasma resistive,

00:48:22.830 --> 00:48:25.570 align:middle line:90%
which is going to be--

00:48:25.570 --> 00:48:29.320 align:middle line:90%
let's see-- da, da, da--

00:48:29.320 --> 00:48:31.860 align:middle line:90%
it should go up with length.

00:48:31.860 --> 00:48:40.950 align:middle line:84%
So 2 pi r dotted with the
resistivity over pi A squared--

00:48:40.950 --> 00:48:44.310 align:middle line:84%
and that resistive we
can just replace with a 1

00:48:44.310 --> 00:48:47.630 align:middle line:90%
over the conductivity.

00:48:47.630 --> 00:48:48.350 align:middle line:90%
Huzzah.

00:48:48.350 --> 00:48:49.700 align:middle line:90%
So we've measured that already.

00:48:49.700 --> 00:48:52.320 align:middle line:84%
Remember, we used two
loops to measure that.

00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:57.480 align:middle line:84%
We used a Rogowski
and we measured B phi.

00:48:57.480 --> 00:49:00.820 align:middle line:84%
And then we also
need to know this.

00:49:00.820 --> 00:49:04.170 align:middle line:84%
And again, we can
measure that using

00:49:04.170 --> 00:49:17.262 align:middle line:84%
three loops, which are B theta
A B phi A and average of phi.

00:49:17.262 --> 00:49:22.400 align:middle line:84%
Three loops-- so the
conclusion of all this

00:49:22.400 --> 00:49:29.720 align:middle line:84%
is 5 loops gets you tau E
with a fair few assumptions

00:49:29.720 --> 00:49:30.870 align:middle line:90%
along the way.

00:49:30.870 --> 00:49:31.730 align:middle line:90%
But that's not bad.

00:49:31.730 --> 00:49:34.470 align:middle line:90%


00:49:34.470 --> 00:49:35.130 align:middle line:90%
Questions?

00:49:35.130 --> 00:49:38.250 align:middle line:90%


00:49:38.250 --> 00:49:39.656 align:middle line:90%
Yeah?

00:49:39.656 --> 00:49:42.046 align:middle line:90%
STUDENT: [INAUDIBLE]

00:49:42.046 --> 00:49:45.400 align:middle line:90%


00:49:45.400 --> 00:49:47.950 align:middle line:84%
JACK HARE: Yeah, I
guess you can also

00:49:47.950 --> 00:49:52.600 align:middle line:84%
extract rather more noisily
the density at this point.

00:49:52.600 --> 00:49:59.110 align:middle line:84%
So your argument is that
from the conductivity

00:49:59.110 --> 00:50:00.850 align:middle line:90%
we've also got temperature.

00:50:00.850 --> 00:50:03.460 align:middle line:84%
And because we've got the
average pressure, which

00:50:03.460 --> 00:50:06.640 align:middle line:84%
is presumably going to be
the average of n times t,

00:50:06.640 --> 00:50:10.360 align:middle line:84%
we're going to be able to
get out an estimate for n

00:50:10.360 --> 00:50:13.070 align:middle line:84%
with lots of exciting
averaging going on.

00:50:13.070 --> 00:50:15.460 align:middle line:84%
But again, for five
loops, that's not bad.

00:50:15.460 --> 00:50:17.470 align:middle line:84%
So you're going to argue
that we can also get n.

00:50:17.470 --> 00:50:19.600 align:middle line:84%
And so we can get the
Lawson criterion as well.

00:50:19.600 --> 00:50:20.475 align:middle line:90%
I'll talk about that.

00:50:20.475 --> 00:50:21.970 align:middle line:90%
That sounds like fun.

00:50:21.970 --> 00:50:24.290 align:middle line:90%
Someone should try that.

00:50:24.290 --> 00:50:24.790 align:middle line:90%
OK.

00:50:24.790 --> 00:50:27.730 align:middle line:84%
Yeah, I see there's
a question online.

00:50:27.730 --> 00:50:28.530 align:middle line:90%
STUDENT: Oh, hi.

00:50:28.530 --> 00:50:31.410 align:middle line:84%
Would you just quickly
mind showing where

00:50:31.410 --> 00:50:33.093 align:middle line:90%
you would place all of these--

00:50:33.093 --> 00:50:35.010 align:middle line:84%
JACK HARE: Thank you,
that's a great question.

00:50:35.010 --> 00:50:44.600 align:middle line:90%


00:50:44.600 --> 00:50:46.100 align:middle line:84%
I'm just going to
erase some of this

00:50:46.100 --> 00:50:47.683 align:middle line:84%
because I think you
guys have seen it.

00:50:47.683 --> 00:50:51.200 align:middle line:84%
And I want to have this space,
so I can draw nice and big

00:50:51.200 --> 00:50:54.040 align:middle line:90%
what's going on here.

00:50:54.040 --> 00:51:03.090 align:middle line:84%
So I'm going to draw my
tokamak or my toroidal device

00:51:03.090 --> 00:51:06.470 align:middle line:90%
in cross-section, like this.

00:51:06.470 --> 00:51:08.830 align:middle line:90%
So I need to have a Rogowski.

00:51:08.830 --> 00:51:14.760 align:middle line:84%
I'm going to put that around
some poloidal cross-section.

00:51:14.760 --> 00:51:16.930 align:middle line:84%
I'm going to back-wind it
to keep everyone happy.

00:51:16.930 --> 00:51:20.160 align:middle line:84%
But that's I. I
am going to stick

00:51:20.160 --> 00:51:27.670 align:middle line:84%
in a probe which measures
the toroidal magnetic field

00:51:27.670 --> 00:51:29.270 align:middle line:90%
at the edge.

00:51:29.270 --> 00:51:31.330 align:middle line:84%
I'm going to stick
in another probe.

00:51:31.330 --> 00:51:34.595 align:middle line:90%


00:51:34.595 --> 00:51:36.720 align:middle line:84%
I hope you can appreciate
the beautiful perspective

00:51:36.720 --> 00:51:38.910 align:middle line:90%
I've put into this circle here.

00:51:38.910 --> 00:51:42.540 align:middle line:84%
And this is going to be
measuring B theta at the edge.

00:51:42.540 --> 00:51:45.660 align:middle line:84%
So remember, that probe
should be lined up

00:51:45.660 --> 00:51:47.800 align:middle line:84%
with the long axis
of the torus here.

00:51:47.800 --> 00:51:52.380 align:middle line:84%
So if you want me to, I could
just draw it like this, I guess.

00:51:52.380 --> 00:51:53.050 align:middle line:90%
There we go.

00:51:53.050 --> 00:51:55.140 align:middle line:90%
Cool.

00:51:55.140 --> 00:51:56.850 align:middle line:84%
I also want to
have something that

00:51:56.850 --> 00:52:04.060 align:middle line:84%
measures the average
magnetic field B phi.

00:52:04.060 --> 00:52:06.370 align:middle line:84%
Note how this looks a little
bit like the Rogowski,

00:52:06.370 --> 00:52:09.070 align:middle line:84%
but it measures something
very, very different.

00:52:09.070 --> 00:52:18.050 align:middle line:84%
And then finally, I need
to have my flux loop, which

00:52:18.050 --> 00:52:21.325 align:middle line:90%
was measuring B phi like this.

00:52:21.325 --> 00:52:22.700 align:middle line:84%
Now, remember what
we were saying

00:52:22.700 --> 00:52:26.090 align:middle line:84%
is we're talking about here an
ohmically driven, inductively

00:52:26.090 --> 00:52:27.960 align:middle line:90%
driven device.

00:52:27.960 --> 00:52:32.910 align:middle line:84%
And so that
transformer, which will

00:52:32.910 --> 00:52:37.000 align:middle line:84%
fit around the
cross-section here,

00:52:37.000 --> 00:52:39.280 align:middle line:84%
is driving some
voltage that drives

00:52:39.280 --> 00:52:41.620 align:middle line:90%
the voltage in the plasma.

00:52:41.620 --> 00:52:45.770 align:middle line:84%
But exactly the same voltage is
being driven across this loop.

00:52:45.770 --> 00:52:47.350 align:middle line:84%
And so we can
measure the voltage

00:52:47.350 --> 00:52:50.570 align:middle line:84%
that's in the plasma
using this loop here.

00:52:50.570 --> 00:52:51.230 align:middle line:90%
OK.

00:52:51.230 --> 00:52:53.030 align:middle line:90%
Hopefully, that is clear.

00:52:53.030 --> 00:52:53.930 align:middle line:90%
Any more questions?

00:52:53.930 --> 00:52:55.160 align:middle line:90%
STUDENT: Yeah, thank you.

00:52:55.160 --> 00:52:56.243 align:middle line:90%
JACK HARE: You're welcome.

00:52:56.243 --> 00:53:06.670 align:middle line:90%


00:53:06.670 --> 00:53:09.820 align:middle line:84%
OK, let's do m equals 1
[? after ?] m equals 0.

00:53:09.820 --> 00:53:49.150 align:middle line:90%


00:53:49.150 --> 00:53:54.205 align:middle line:84%
So as we discussed last week, m
equals 1 is a displacement mode.

00:53:54.205 --> 00:54:00.160 align:middle line:90%


00:54:00.160 --> 00:54:01.960 align:middle line:84%
And so what we're
doing is we're talking

00:54:01.960 --> 00:54:04.660 align:middle line:84%
about a cylindrical
vacuum vessel

00:54:04.660 --> 00:54:08.830 align:middle line:84%
here that has inside it some
sort of cylindrical plasma.

00:54:08.830 --> 00:54:12.940 align:middle line:84%
And the center of that plasma is
offset from the geometric center

00:54:12.940 --> 00:54:16.090 align:middle line:84%
of our vacuum
vessel by a distance

00:54:16.090 --> 00:54:21.660 align:middle line:84%
that we're going to call
delta, capital delta.

00:54:21.660 --> 00:54:27.520 align:middle line:84%
And we'll say that the vacuum
vessel has a radius A here.

00:54:27.520 --> 00:54:30.160 align:middle line:84%
And around the edge
of this vacuum vessel,

00:54:30.160 --> 00:54:34.890 align:middle line:84%
we're going to place a
series of B-dot probes.

00:54:34.890 --> 00:54:45.090 align:middle line:84%
And these B-dot probes
are going to be lined up

00:54:45.090 --> 00:54:47.115 align:middle line:90%
to measure the B theta.

00:54:47.115 --> 00:54:50.490 align:middle line:90%


00:54:50.490 --> 00:54:55.150 align:middle line:84%
So if we look at
what B theta is going

00:54:55.150 --> 00:54:56.643 align:middle line:90%
to be as a function of theta--

00:54:56.643 --> 00:54:58.060 align:middle line:84%
and remember, each
of these probes

00:54:58.060 --> 00:55:00.910 align:middle line:84%
is at a different angle--
theta 1, theta 2, so on.

00:55:00.910 --> 00:55:04.390 align:middle line:84%
So effectively, we are
measuring this function sparsely

00:55:04.390 --> 00:55:05.950 align:middle line:90%
at each B-dot probe here.

00:55:05.950 --> 00:55:12.520 align:middle line:84%
We're going to see that this is
equal to mu 0 over 2 pi A times

00:55:12.520 --> 00:55:14.335 align:middle line:90%
the current inside this plasma.

00:55:14.335 --> 00:55:18.082 align:middle line:90%


00:55:18.082 --> 00:55:20.175 align:middle line:84%
For Ampere's law, we
don't care about how

00:55:20.175 --> 00:55:21.300 align:middle line:90%
the current is distributed.

00:55:21.300 --> 00:55:23.400 align:middle line:84%
It's just the
total current here.

00:55:23.400 --> 00:55:26.640 align:middle line:84%
And this is going to be
modified by a term that

00:55:26.640 --> 00:55:40.480 align:middle line:84%
looks like sine squared theta
plus cos theta minus delta

00:55:40.480 --> 00:55:46.480 align:middle line:84%
upon A [INAUDIBLE] vacuum
brackets squared square rooted.

00:55:46.480 --> 00:55:49.140 align:middle line:90%


00:55:49.140 --> 00:55:51.000 align:middle line:90%
This is just geometry.

00:55:51.000 --> 00:55:56.910 align:middle line:84%
This term here is
just R, where R

00:55:56.910 --> 00:56:01.320 align:middle line:84%
is the distance from the center
of the plasma to some probe,

00:56:01.320 --> 00:56:04.170 align:middle line:84%
which is now different
depending on your angle

00:56:04.170 --> 00:56:05.910 align:middle line:84%
that you're going
at, which is why

00:56:05.910 --> 00:56:09.210 align:middle line:90%
I'm just going to clarify it.

00:56:09.210 --> 00:56:11.430 align:middle line:84%
This now has a theta
dependence to it.

00:56:11.430 --> 00:56:15.630 align:middle line:90%


00:56:15.630 --> 00:56:18.270 align:middle line:84%
And we're going to make
an assumption again

00:56:18.270 --> 00:56:22.920 align:middle line:90%
that delta upon A is small.

00:56:22.920 --> 00:56:25.940 align:middle line:90%
Is this a good assumption?

00:56:25.940 --> 00:56:27.440 align:middle line:84%
What would happen
if it wasn't true?

00:56:27.440 --> 00:56:30.110 align:middle line:90%


00:56:30.110 --> 00:56:30.942 align:middle line:90%
Yeah?

00:56:30.942 --> 00:56:32.360 align:middle line:90%
STUDENT: [INAUDIBLE]

00:56:32.360 --> 00:56:33.410 align:middle line:90%
JACK HARE: Plasma's gone.

00:56:33.410 --> 00:56:34.997 align:middle line:84%
It's hit the wall
already, exactly.

00:56:34.997 --> 00:56:36.080 align:middle line:90%
So we're going to make it.

00:56:36.080 --> 00:56:38.497 align:middle line:84%
And it's a very good assumption
because otherwise you have

00:56:38.497 --> 00:56:40.580 align:middle line:90%
already failed the [INAUDIBLE].

00:56:40.580 --> 00:56:45.290 align:middle line:84%
So having made that assumption,
we can approximate this as mu

00:56:45.290 --> 00:56:52.217 align:middle line:90%
0 I upon 2 pi A.

00:56:52.217 --> 00:57:04.210 align:middle line:84%
And we get out 1 plus delta
upon A cos theta, the Taylor

00:57:04.210 --> 00:57:05.260 align:middle line:90%
expansion here.

00:57:05.260 --> 00:57:08.110 align:middle line:84%
And you can see that there's
going to be a second order term

00:57:08.110 --> 00:57:09.460 align:middle line:90%
[INAUDIBLE] A that disappears.

00:57:09.460 --> 00:57:11.200 align:middle line:84%
And there's going to be a sine
squared and a cos squared.

00:57:11.200 --> 00:57:13.158 align:middle line:84%
And they're going to come
together to make a 1.

00:57:13.158 --> 00:57:16.910 align:middle line:84%
So this all looks like
it's going to work.

00:57:16.910 --> 00:57:18.410 align:middle line:84%
Remember here, in
this case, we have

00:57:18.410 --> 00:57:21.330 align:middle line:84%
specified that delta
is in the x direction.

00:57:21.330 --> 00:57:25.470 align:middle line:90%
So this is delta x, like that.

00:57:25.470 --> 00:57:30.510 align:middle line:84%
If it was in the y direction,
this would be 1 plus delta y

00:57:30.510 --> 00:57:34.060 align:middle line:90%
upon A sine theta.

00:57:34.060 --> 00:57:35.970 align:middle line:84%
And if you remember the
Fourier decomposition

00:57:35.970 --> 00:57:37.887 align:middle line:84%
that we said we were
going to do at the start,

00:57:37.887 --> 00:57:40.810 align:middle line:84%
for this magnetic field pattern
there are only two terms.

00:57:40.810 --> 00:57:46.560 align:middle line:84%
There's the B-- well, this
is the C0 coefficient.

00:57:46.560 --> 00:57:49.950 align:middle line:84%
And these two are
the C1 coefficients.

00:57:49.950 --> 00:57:54.360 align:middle line:84%
And so we can say that
we can directly measure

00:57:54.360 --> 00:58:00.870 align:middle line:84%
the displacement x as 2A C1
over C0 or the displacement in y

00:58:00.870 --> 00:58:04.620 align:middle line:90%
as 2A S1 over C0.

00:58:04.620 --> 00:58:06.040 align:middle line:90%
So this is C1.

00:58:06.040 --> 00:58:07.575 align:middle line:90%
This is S1.

00:58:07.575 --> 00:58:12.730 align:middle line:90%


00:58:12.730 --> 00:58:15.040 align:middle line:84%
So by doing a Fourier
decomposition of our signal

00:58:15.040 --> 00:58:18.520 align:middle line:84%
and therefore finding the
coefficients C1 and S1,

00:58:18.520 --> 00:58:21.850 align:middle line:84%
we can immediately find the
displacement of our plasma.

00:58:21.850 --> 00:58:23.810 align:middle line:90%
And that's pretty fast to do.

00:58:23.810 --> 00:58:26.350 align:middle line:84%
And so we can see if our
plasma is starting to move.

00:58:26.350 --> 00:58:28.903 align:middle line:84%
And we can do something about
it, like active feedback,

00:58:28.903 --> 00:58:30.070 align:middle line:90%
to stop it hitting the wall.

00:58:30.070 --> 00:58:32.240 align:middle line:90%
So that's pretty useful.

00:58:32.240 --> 00:58:34.490 align:middle line:90%
Any questions on this?

00:58:34.490 --> 00:58:35.914 align:middle line:90%
Yeah?

00:58:35.914 --> 00:58:41.022 align:middle line:84%
STUDENT: [INAUDIBLE] as you're
varying theta [INAUDIBLE]?

00:58:41.022 --> 00:58:47.340 align:middle line:90%


00:58:47.340 --> 00:58:48.270 align:middle line:90%
JACK HARE: Oh, yes.

00:58:48.270 --> 00:58:49.790 align:middle line:90%
STUDENT: [INAUDIBLE]

00:58:49.790 --> 00:58:57.093 align:middle line:90%


00:58:57.093 --> 00:58:59.260 align:middle line:84%
JACK HARE: Yeah, so if your
plasma is in the center,

00:58:59.260 --> 00:59:00.640 align:middle line:90%
you would have--

00:59:00.640 --> 00:59:05.810 align:middle line:90%
B theta would be like this.

00:59:05.810 --> 00:59:08.170 align:middle line:84%
And you might reconstruct
a flat profile.

00:59:08.170 --> 00:59:11.470 align:middle line:84%
If your plasma moves
towards theta 1,

00:59:11.470 --> 00:59:12.992 align:middle line:90%
you might have a profile--

00:59:12.992 --> 00:59:14.200 align:middle line:90%
let me use a different color.

00:59:14.200 --> 00:59:20.420 align:middle line:90%


00:59:20.420 --> 00:59:22.890 align:middle line:90%
Yeah, that goes back to there.

00:59:22.890 --> 00:59:26.160 align:middle line:84%
And you'll notice that, in this
case, I've got four sensors.

00:59:26.160 --> 00:59:33.310 align:middle line:84%
And I can just about reconstruct
the cosinusoidal variation

00:59:33.310 --> 00:59:33.810 align:middle line:90%
there.

00:59:33.810 --> 00:59:35.352 align:middle line:84%
And you'll find that
very interesting

00:59:35.352 --> 00:59:38.930 align:middle line:84%
when you come to the P set
because this sort of question

00:59:38.930 --> 00:59:41.540 align:middle line:84%
is fundamental to how many
B-dot probes do you need

00:59:41.540 --> 00:59:42.780 align:middle line:90%
to measure some displacement.

00:59:42.780 --> 00:59:45.500 align:middle line:84%
So thinking in terms of
Nyquist-Shannon sampling

00:59:45.500 --> 00:59:49.160 align:middle line:84%
theorem, things like that
might get you a long way.

00:59:49.160 --> 00:59:51.443 align:middle line:90%
Cool.

00:59:51.443 --> 00:59:52.110 align:middle line:90%
Other questions?

00:59:52.110 --> 00:59:53.220 align:middle line:90%
Yeah?

00:59:53.220 --> 00:59:56.070 align:middle line:84%
STUDENT: [INAUDIBLE]
for measuring

00:59:56.070 --> 00:59:57.575 align:middle line:90%
[INAUDIBLE] 0 [INAUDIBLE]?

00:59:57.575 --> 01:00:03.160 align:middle line:90%


01:00:03.160 --> 01:00:05.880 align:middle line:84%
JACK HARE: How many
did we need to measure?

01:00:05.880 --> 01:00:07.486 align:middle line:90%
We just needed 1.

01:00:07.486 --> 01:00:09.310 align:middle line:84%
STUDENT: But now
we're [INAUDIBLE]?

01:00:09.310 --> 01:00:16.890 align:middle line:90%


01:00:16.890 --> 01:00:19.380 align:middle line:90%
JACK HARE: No, it's still here.

01:00:19.380 --> 01:00:23.220 align:middle line:84%
You see the C0 term when you
do your Fourier decomposition.

01:00:23.220 --> 01:00:27.190 align:middle line:84%
No matter how many
probes you have,

01:00:27.190 --> 01:00:31.330 align:middle line:84%
you can always Fourier
decompose it to C0 upon 2,

01:00:31.330 --> 01:00:43.850 align:middle line:84%
and then the sum to infinity of
Cm cos m theta Sm sine m theta.

01:00:43.850 --> 01:00:45.550 align:middle line:84%
And what we're
saying is if you want

01:00:45.550 --> 01:00:48.190 align:middle line:84%
to measure, for
example, Te and all

01:00:48.190 --> 01:00:50.980 align:middle line:84%
that beta stuff we did before,
you just take this one.

01:00:50.980 --> 01:00:52.810 align:middle line:90%
This is the m equals 0 term.

01:00:52.810 --> 01:00:56.110 align:middle line:84%
If you want to measure
displacements of the plasma,

01:00:56.110 --> 01:01:01.160 align:middle line:84%
you take these
first two terms, C1.

01:01:01.160 --> 01:01:04.580 align:middle line:84%
If you want to measure
more exciting higher order

01:01:04.580 --> 01:01:07.250 align:middle line:84%
modes where your
plasma gets pancaked

01:01:07.250 --> 01:01:11.360 align:middle line:84%
or it comes into
increasingly unlikely shapes,

01:01:11.360 --> 01:01:13.520 align:middle line:84%
then you want the higher
order ones of these.

01:01:13.520 --> 01:01:15.770 align:middle line:84%
But John made a very
good point, which

01:01:15.770 --> 01:01:18.770 align:middle line:84%
is that you'll have to
think about how many--

01:01:18.770 --> 01:01:21.650 align:middle line:84%
what m you need to get
to will set a requirement

01:01:21.650 --> 01:01:24.695 align:middle line:84%
on how many probes that you
have in order to properly do

01:01:24.695 --> 01:01:25.820 align:middle line:90%
this Fourier decomposition.

01:01:25.820 --> 01:01:28.460 align:middle line:84%
And this, again, is
related to Nyquist theorem.

01:01:28.460 --> 01:01:32.300 align:middle line:90%
So there's a bit to think about.

01:01:32.300 --> 01:01:33.560 align:middle line:90%
Any other questions on this?

01:01:33.560 --> 01:01:36.520 align:middle line:90%


01:01:36.520 --> 01:01:37.884 align:middle line:90%
Yeah?

01:01:37.884 --> 01:01:39.255 align:middle line:90%
STUDENT: What [INAUDIBLE]?

01:01:39.255 --> 01:01:41.285 align:middle line:90%


01:01:41.285 --> 01:01:43.410 align:middle line:84%
JACK HARE: Yeah, so the
question was, at what point

01:01:43.410 --> 01:01:44.850 align:middle line:84%
do you need to start
worrying about eddy currents

01:01:44.850 --> 01:01:46.892 align:middle line:84%
in the vacuum vessel
messing up this measurement.

01:01:46.892 --> 01:01:49.920 align:middle line:84%
These would definitely be
affected by eddy currents.

01:01:49.920 --> 01:01:54.567 align:middle line:84%
So that's a higher
order correction

01:01:54.567 --> 01:01:56.150 align:middle line:84%
that you need to do
to understand what

01:01:56.150 --> 01:01:59.110 align:middle line:90%
the eddy current does, yeah.

01:01:59.110 --> 01:02:00.925 align:middle line:84%
So in this assumption,
we have assumed

01:02:00.925 --> 01:02:02.050 align:middle line:90%
there are no eddy currents.

01:02:02.050 --> 01:02:05.200 align:middle line:84%
We have a nonconducting vacuum
vessel or something else.

01:02:05.200 --> 01:02:06.100 align:middle line:90%
Yeah, exactly.

01:02:06.100 --> 01:02:09.340 align:middle line:90%


01:02:09.340 --> 01:02:10.594 align:middle line:90%
Any other questions?

01:02:10.594 --> 01:02:15.340 align:middle line:90%


01:02:15.340 --> 01:02:21.767 align:middle line:84%
So just very briefly,
Hutchinson spends a long time

01:02:21.767 --> 01:02:22.600 align:middle line:90%
on this in the book.

01:02:22.600 --> 01:02:24.212 align:middle line:84%
And I think it's
very interesting.

01:02:24.212 --> 01:02:25.920 align:middle line:84%
But it's very hard to
go through in class

01:02:25.920 --> 01:02:27.240 align:middle line:90%
because it's very mathematical.

01:02:27.240 --> 01:02:29.940 align:middle line:84%
So I just want to give you a
little taster of what would

01:02:29.940 --> 01:02:32.350 align:middle line:90%
happen for a toroidal system.

01:02:32.350 --> 01:02:34.980 align:middle line:84%
So remember, we've really
been assuming all along here

01:02:34.980 --> 01:02:38.460 align:middle line:84%
that we've got a cylinder, a
very high aspect ratio tokamak,

01:02:38.460 --> 01:02:42.090 align:middle line:84%
so that we don't have to worry
about toroidal curvature.

01:02:42.090 --> 01:02:43.980 align:middle line:84%
But what happens in
a toroidal system

01:02:43.980 --> 01:02:47.670 align:middle line:84%
is that we have a very
complicated force balance.

01:02:47.670 --> 01:02:51.660 align:middle line:84%
Remember, our MHD equations,
which we simplified massively,

01:02:51.660 --> 01:02:53.220 align:middle line:84%
we're going to have
some more terms.

01:02:53.220 --> 01:02:54.720 align:middle line:84%
But there's a complex
force balance.

01:02:54.720 --> 01:03:00.130 align:middle line:90%


01:03:00.130 --> 01:03:02.920 align:middle line:90%
And that shifts.

01:03:02.920 --> 01:03:05.080 align:middle line:84%
If this is our axis of
symmetry of our tokamak

01:03:05.080 --> 01:03:07.660 align:middle line:84%
and this is the
vacuum vessel, that

01:03:07.660 --> 01:03:10.720 align:middle line:84%
shifts the magnetic flux
surfaces so that they're

01:03:10.720 --> 01:03:11.950 align:middle line:90%
no longer concentric.

01:03:11.950 --> 01:03:14.140 align:middle line:84%
So we may have a flux
surface like this,

01:03:14.140 --> 01:03:16.570 align:middle line:84%
and a flux surface like this,
a flux surface like this,

01:03:16.570 --> 01:03:19.950 align:middle line:90%
and a flux surface like this.

01:03:19.950 --> 01:03:22.430 align:middle line:84%
And again, I'm not explaining
where you get to from this.

01:03:22.430 --> 01:03:24.620 align:middle line:84%
This is like three or
four pages of algebra.

01:03:24.620 --> 01:03:26.428 align:middle line:84%
But you start ending
up with systems

01:03:26.428 --> 01:03:27.720 align:middle line:90%
that are much more complicated.

01:03:27.720 --> 01:03:30.020 align:middle line:84%
We have kind of been
assuming a lot of the time

01:03:30.020 --> 01:03:32.107 align:middle line:84%
here that we have
concentric flux surfaces.

01:03:32.107 --> 01:03:34.190 align:middle line:84%
It's actually not important
for most of the things

01:03:34.190 --> 01:03:35.010 align:middle line:90%
we're driving.

01:03:35.010 --> 01:03:36.830 align:middle line:84%
But we certainly
would have no reason

01:03:36.830 --> 01:03:39.260 align:middle line:84%
to believe the flux
surfaces are not concentric

01:03:39.260 --> 01:03:41.430 align:middle line:84%
because our system is
azimuthally symmetric.

01:03:41.430 --> 01:03:45.010 align:middle line:84%
There'd be nothing pushing them
from one side to the other.

01:03:45.010 --> 01:03:47.640 align:middle line:84%
So if you start doing
this analysis properly,

01:03:47.640 --> 01:03:55.070 align:middle line:84%
you get to equation 2.2.25
in Hutchinson's book,

01:03:55.070 --> 01:03:57.890 align:middle line:84%
just to let you know where
I've pulled this away from.

01:03:57.890 --> 01:04:03.070 align:middle line:84%
And you find out that your
magnetic field, the m equals 1

01:04:03.070 --> 01:04:10.260 align:middle line:84%
term, is going to be equal
to the m equals 0 term times

01:04:10.260 --> 01:04:16.040 align:middle line:84%
a correction for where
you are inside the plasma.

01:04:16.040 --> 01:04:20.990 align:middle line:84%
So this coordinate R
measures radially outwards

01:04:20.990 --> 01:04:23.480 align:middle line:84%
from the center of our
poloidal cross-section.

01:04:23.480 --> 01:04:28.130 align:middle line:84%
And this R0 is the distance
from the axis the center

01:04:28.130 --> 01:04:30.540 align:middle line:90%
of our poloidal cross-section.

01:04:30.540 --> 01:04:33.650 align:middle line:84%
And we find-- sorry,
this isn't very clear.

01:04:33.650 --> 01:04:38.800 align:middle line:90%


01:04:38.800 --> 01:04:40.780 align:middle line:84%
And all of this is
going to be multiplied

01:04:40.780 --> 01:04:48.220 align:middle line:84%
by beta theta plus a term,
Li upon 2, which I'll

01:04:48.220 --> 01:04:51.250 align:middle line:90%
explain in a moment, minus 1.

01:04:51.250 --> 01:04:53.050 align:middle line:90%
Again, none of this is derived.

01:04:53.050 --> 01:04:54.970 align:middle line:84%
I'm just throwing
this equation at you

01:04:54.970 --> 01:04:56.762 align:middle line:84%
to show you some of
the things that you can

01:04:56.762 --> 01:04:58.270 align:middle line:90%
do in the toroidal geometry.

01:04:58.270 --> 01:05:02.440 align:middle line:84%
Now, beta theta is
something that we

01:05:02.440 --> 01:05:05.057 align:middle line:84%
can measure from our m
equals 0 diagnostics.

01:05:05.057 --> 01:05:06.640 align:middle line:84%
They're still going
to work just fine.

01:05:06.640 --> 01:05:09.370 align:middle line:84%
What's interesting is
that this shift here

01:05:09.370 --> 01:05:14.610 align:middle line:84%
results in a term that is
to do with the inductance--

01:05:14.610 --> 01:05:17.250 align:middle line:84%
not quite the inductance, but
it's similar to the inductance.

01:05:17.250 --> 01:05:19.920 align:middle line:90%


01:05:19.920 --> 01:05:22.080 align:middle line:84%
And we talked before
about how the inductance

01:05:22.080 --> 01:05:24.780 align:middle line:84%
is a measure of the
geometry of your current,

01:05:24.780 --> 01:05:26.920 align:middle line:84%
so how the current is
flowing in the system.

01:05:26.920 --> 01:05:28.860 align:middle line:84%
And so by measuring
this very precisely,

01:05:28.860 --> 01:05:32.670 align:middle line:84%
you may be able to determine
whether your system has

01:05:32.670 --> 01:05:34.800 align:middle line:84%
a current profile
that is nicely peaked

01:05:34.800 --> 01:05:36.780 align:middle line:84%
or whether it has
a profile which

01:05:36.780 --> 01:05:39.910 align:middle line:84%
has a hollow in the center,
something like that.

01:05:39.910 --> 01:05:43.290 align:middle line:84%
And so you actually can end up
getting more information out

01:05:43.290 --> 01:05:46.140 align:middle line:84%
of your system when you
have a toroidal geometry.

01:05:46.140 --> 01:05:49.650 align:middle line:84%
But the price you pay for that
is significantly more complexity

01:05:49.650 --> 01:05:51.490 align:middle line:90%
with all the equations.

01:05:51.490 --> 01:05:54.240 align:middle line:84%
So again, that's all I'm going
to go into in terms of this.

01:05:54.240 --> 01:05:56.607 align:middle line:84%
If you work with magnetic
diagnostics for tokamaks,

01:05:56.607 --> 01:05:58.440 align:middle line:84%
or stellarators, or
other devices like that,

01:05:58.440 --> 01:06:00.270 align:middle line:84%
you will definitely
come across some

01:06:00.270 --> 01:06:02.560 align:middle line:90%
of this very complicated stuff.

01:06:02.560 --> 01:06:04.164 align:middle line:90%
So any questions?

01:06:04.164 --> 01:06:12.700 align:middle line:90%


01:06:12.700 --> 01:06:13.960 align:middle line:90%
OK.

01:06:13.960 --> 01:06:17.857 align:middle line:84%
Now, we're going to stick
the probe in the plasma,

01:06:17.857 --> 01:06:18.565 align:middle line:90%
see what happens.

01:06:18.565 --> 01:06:49.850 align:middle line:90%


01:06:49.850 --> 01:06:52.595 align:middle line:84%
So now, we're discussing
internal probes.

01:06:52.595 --> 01:07:03.770 align:middle line:90%


01:07:03.770 --> 01:07:08.090 align:middle line:84%
So again, we'll have some
vacuum chamber with some sort

01:07:08.090 --> 01:07:10.010 align:middle line:90%
of clever re-entrance port.

01:07:10.010 --> 01:07:14.855 align:middle line:84%
And we can stick into
it our B-dot probe.

01:07:14.855 --> 01:07:18.510 align:middle line:90%


01:07:18.510 --> 01:07:22.600 align:middle line:84%
We'll probably put a bit
of shielding insulation

01:07:22.600 --> 01:07:24.588 align:middle line:90%
on the B-dot probe, like that.

01:07:24.588 --> 01:07:26.380 align:middle line:84%
And we'll talk a little
bit more about that

01:07:26.380 --> 01:07:29.290 align:middle line:84%
in the context of Langmuir
probes next lecture.

01:07:29.290 --> 01:07:32.800 align:middle line:90%
And there is some plasma here.

01:07:32.800 --> 01:07:36.580 align:middle line:84%
And there will be
some magnetic fields,

01:07:36.580 --> 01:07:39.500 align:middle line:84%
which may be three
dimensional in nature.

01:07:39.500 --> 01:07:43.600 align:middle line:84%
Now, despite what it looks
like, this is actually not

01:07:43.600 --> 01:07:46.390 align:middle line:90%
very perturbative.

01:07:46.390 --> 01:07:49.240 align:middle line:84%
Despite the fact you would stick
a probe right in your plasma,

01:07:49.240 --> 01:07:52.420 align:middle line:84%
this is not as bad
as it might seem.

01:07:52.420 --> 01:07:53.890 align:middle line:90%
What do we mean by perturbative?

01:07:53.890 --> 01:07:56.290 align:middle line:84%
We mean that it
changes the measurement

01:07:56.290 --> 01:07:59.108 align:middle line:90%
that we're trying to make.

01:07:59.108 --> 01:08:00.900 align:middle line:84%
This turns out not to
be very perturbative.

01:08:00.900 --> 01:08:03.960 align:middle line:84%
The main reason is that the
magnetic fields at a given point

01:08:03.960 --> 01:08:07.230 align:middle line:84%
here are not just set
by the currents locally.

01:08:07.230 --> 01:08:08.760 align:middle line:84%
They're set by
currents over here,

01:08:08.760 --> 01:08:10.900 align:middle line:90%
and over here, and over here.

01:08:10.900 --> 01:08:16.890 align:middle line:90%
So B is set by global currents.

01:08:16.890 --> 01:08:20.609 align:middle line:84%
And so disturbing just a
little bit of the plasma

01:08:20.609 --> 01:08:23.580 align:middle line:84%
doesn't actually change the
magnetic field at a point

01:08:23.580 --> 01:08:25.170 align:middle line:90%
that much.

01:08:25.170 --> 01:08:28.260 align:middle line:84%
Again, we're going to put
an insulator around it.

01:08:28.260 --> 01:08:31.490 align:middle line:90%


01:08:31.490 --> 01:08:38.210 align:middle line:84%
So we would set I into
the probe equal to 0.

01:08:38.210 --> 01:08:40.609 align:middle line:84%
And we're going to
make the probe small.

01:08:40.609 --> 01:08:45.350 align:middle line:84%
We want it to be small to reduce
the perturbation on the plasma,

01:08:45.350 --> 01:08:54.510 align:middle line:84%
but also to make delta
B over the probe small,

01:08:54.510 --> 01:08:57.210 align:middle line:84%
as we discussed before, which
makes our analysis easier

01:08:57.210 --> 01:09:00.180 align:middle line:84%
because it means the magnetic
field is constant over the probe

01:09:00.180 --> 01:09:01.080 align:middle line:90%
here.

01:09:01.080 --> 01:09:02.460 align:middle line:84%
So you wouldn't
want to stick one

01:09:02.460 --> 01:09:06.240 align:middle line:84%
of these inside a very
hot and dense plasma.

01:09:06.240 --> 01:09:07.472 align:middle line:90%
Well, you might.

01:09:07.472 --> 01:09:09.180 align:middle line:84%
If went on to stick
one of these inside a

01:09:09.180 --> 01:09:10.380 align:middle line:84%
tokamak because
it would just melt

01:09:10.380 --> 01:09:12.120 align:middle line:84%
and it would fill your
plasma with impurities.

01:09:12.120 --> 01:09:13.109 align:middle line:90%
And your plasma would crash.

01:09:13.109 --> 01:09:13.920 align:middle line:90%
That would be bad.

01:09:13.920 --> 01:09:16.439 align:middle line:84%
If you're doing, for example, a
pulse power-driven experiment,

01:09:16.439 --> 01:09:18.356 align:middle line:84%
you might want to stick
these inside a plasma.

01:09:18.356 --> 01:09:21.149 align:middle line:84%
But you might not expect it to
last more than one experiment

01:09:21.149 --> 01:09:23.490 align:middle line:90%
because of the heat flux on it.

01:09:23.490 --> 01:09:26.340 align:middle line:84%
Now, what people do
on some machines is

01:09:26.340 --> 01:09:33.270 align:middle line:84%
they have sticks of probes
that they can position.

01:09:33.270 --> 01:09:37.790 align:middle line:84%
The stick has a load of probes
wound like this to measure,

01:09:37.790 --> 01:09:39.520 align:middle line:90%
for example, Bx.

01:09:39.520 --> 01:09:42.220 align:middle line:84%
It also has a load
of probes wound

01:09:42.220 --> 01:09:45.430 align:middle line:84%
like this in the same
location to measure By.

01:09:45.430 --> 01:09:51.450 align:middle line:84%
And it'll have a load of probes
wound like this to measure Bz.

01:09:51.450 --> 01:09:54.820 align:middle line:84%
So you'll be able to get
all three of the axes here.

01:09:54.820 --> 01:09:57.430 align:middle line:90%
And the nice thing about that--

01:09:57.430 --> 01:09:58.600 align:middle line:90%
you put these all together.

01:09:58.600 --> 01:10:01.240 align:middle line:84%
You can find out what
the current is locally

01:10:01.240 --> 01:10:04.360 align:middle line:84%
inside your plasma because
the current is simply 1

01:10:04.360 --> 01:10:09.355 align:middle line:84%
over mu 0 curl of B.
Now, you're taking

01:10:09.355 --> 01:10:10.480 align:middle line:90%
the gradient of the signal.

01:10:10.480 --> 01:10:11.890 align:middle line:90%
And the signal might be noisy.

01:10:11.890 --> 01:10:15.070 align:middle line:84%
So you've got to be a
little bit careful here

01:10:15.070 --> 01:10:18.100 align:middle line:84%
because this is going to be
a noisy measurement itself.

01:10:18.100 --> 01:10:19.922 align:middle line:84%
But the fact is
you can still have

01:10:19.922 --> 01:10:22.630 align:middle line:84%
some go at measuring the current
internally to a plasma, which is

01:10:22.630 --> 01:10:24.610 align:middle line:90%
a very, very hard thing to do.

01:10:24.610 --> 01:10:27.650 align:middle line:90%


01:10:27.650 --> 01:10:32.070 align:middle line:84%
I'll just make a note here
that this is noisy because we

01:10:32.070 --> 01:10:36.720 align:middle line:90%
have delta B over delta x.

01:10:36.720 --> 01:10:40.350 align:middle line:84%
Delta x is your spacing
of your probes here.

01:10:40.350 --> 01:10:42.810 align:middle line:84%
So the smaller you
can make delta x,

01:10:42.810 --> 01:10:46.020 align:middle line:84%
the better you're going to
be measuring this gradient.

01:10:46.020 --> 01:10:48.420 align:middle line:84%
And this looks very Nyquisty
again all of a sudden.

01:10:48.420 --> 01:10:50.345 align:middle line:84%
Sorry, we can't
escape from them.

01:10:50.345 --> 01:10:53.080 align:middle line:90%


01:10:53.080 --> 01:10:56.170 align:middle line:84%
The nice thing
about measuring J is

01:10:56.170 --> 01:11:03.480 align:middle line:84%
that then we would have
J and B. And we can use

01:11:03.480 --> 01:11:05.740 align:middle line:90%
that to measure the pressure.

01:11:05.740 --> 01:11:08.610 align:middle line:84%
So we can actually measure
the pressure inside our plasma

01:11:08.610 --> 01:11:10.915 align:middle line:84%
using these closely
spaced probes.

01:11:10.915 --> 01:11:12.540 align:middle line:84%
Or at least we can
measure the pressure

01:11:12.540 --> 01:11:16.110 align:middle line:90%
along the line of the probe.

01:11:16.110 --> 01:11:19.580 align:middle line:84%
This turns out to be
hard for low beta plasmas

01:11:19.580 --> 01:11:21.600 align:middle line:90%
because grad P is small.

01:11:21.600 --> 01:11:25.420 align:middle line:84%
So you won't see much
change in J cross B.

01:11:25.420 --> 01:11:29.941 align:middle line:84%
But when beta is reasonable,
you might be able to do this.

01:11:29.941 --> 01:11:34.260 align:middle line:84%
A very nice trick is if you
have a steady plasma or a plasma

01:11:34.260 --> 01:11:37.040 align:middle line:84%
which is highly reproducible,
so you can do this experiment

01:11:37.040 --> 01:11:37.925 align:middle line:90%
over and over again.

01:11:37.925 --> 01:11:43.950 align:middle line:90%


01:11:43.950 --> 01:11:48.410 align:middle line:84%
You can actually take
this probe and say

01:11:48.410 --> 01:11:51.910 align:middle line:84%
you've got a plasma
that looks like this.

01:11:51.910 --> 01:11:59.170 align:middle line:84%
And you can step the
probe across the plasma.

01:11:59.170 --> 01:12:00.880 align:middle line:84%
And either the plasma
is steady or you're

01:12:00.880 --> 01:12:03.047 align:middle line:84%
doing the same experiment
again and again and again.

01:12:03.047 --> 01:12:06.010 align:middle line:84%
And you can build up
a complete map of B

01:12:06.010 --> 01:12:10.840 align:middle line:84%
as a function of space
and time and therefore

01:12:10.840 --> 01:12:14.650 align:middle line:84%
J as a function of
space and time as well.

01:12:14.650 --> 01:12:15.970 align:middle line:90%
And people do this.

01:12:15.970 --> 01:12:20.560 align:middle line:84%
One great experiment is the
large area plasma device

01:12:20.560 --> 01:12:22.438 align:middle line:90%
at UCLA, LAPD.

01:12:22.438 --> 01:12:24.730 align:middle line:84%
And on this device where they
do astrophysics relevance

01:12:24.730 --> 01:12:27.550 align:middle line:84%
experiments, they can
map out all of this.

01:12:27.550 --> 01:12:29.560 align:middle line:84%
They will do a
shot every second.

01:12:29.560 --> 01:12:32.530 align:middle line:84%
There'll be a servo stepper
motor that moves this across.

01:12:32.530 --> 01:12:34.540 align:middle line:84%
And they just press go
after programming it.

01:12:34.540 --> 01:12:36.610 align:middle line:84%
And it will run for 24
hours a day for a week.

01:12:36.610 --> 01:12:38.710 align:middle line:84%
And you'll have a
huge amount of data

01:12:38.710 --> 01:12:41.740 align:middle line:84%
with a full three-dimensional
map of the magnetic fields.

01:12:41.740 --> 01:12:43.240 align:middle line:84%
So this is the sort
of thing you can

01:12:43.240 --> 01:12:45.220 align:middle line:90%
do with high rep rate devices.

01:12:45.220 --> 01:12:47.850 align:middle line:90%
It's very, very cool.

01:12:47.850 --> 01:12:49.700 align:middle line:90%
OK, any questions so far?

01:12:49.700 --> 01:12:50.640 align:middle line:90%
Yes?

01:12:50.640 --> 01:12:51.990 align:middle line:90%
STUDENT: [INAUDIBLE].

01:12:51.990 --> 01:12:57.926 align:middle line:90%


01:12:57.926 --> 01:13:00.300 align:middle line:84%
But when you're
entering [INAUDIBLE]?

01:13:00.300 --> 01:13:06.613 align:middle line:90%


01:13:06.613 --> 01:13:08.030 align:middle line:84%
JACK HARE: It's
the local current.

01:13:08.030 --> 01:13:09.197 align:middle line:90%
So this is a local equation.

01:13:09.197 --> 01:13:12.210 align:middle line:90%


01:13:12.210 --> 01:13:14.200 align:middle line:90%
This is B of x.

01:13:14.200 --> 01:13:18.040 align:middle line:84%
So you get J of x wherever your
measurement is being taken.

01:13:18.040 --> 01:13:21.070 align:middle line:84%
So you would get J at the
locations of each of these coils

01:13:21.070 --> 01:13:22.870 align:middle line:84%
or, depending on your
differencing scheme,

01:13:22.870 --> 01:13:25.810 align:middle line:84%
halfway between the
locations of each coil, yeah.

01:13:25.810 --> 01:13:27.420 align:middle line:90%
STUDENT: [INAUDIBLE]

01:13:27.420 --> 01:13:31.830 align:middle line:90%


01:13:31.830 --> 01:13:36.270 align:middle line:84%
JACK HARE: Yeah, so the thing
is that this equation here

01:13:36.270 --> 01:13:37.560 align:middle line:90%
does not imply causality.

01:13:37.560 --> 01:13:40.158 align:middle line:84%
You don't have magnetic fields
telling currents where to go

01:13:40.158 --> 01:13:42.450 align:middle line:84%
or currents going where--
telling magnetic fields where

01:13:42.450 --> 01:13:42.990 align:middle line:90%
to go.

01:13:42.990 --> 01:13:46.050 align:middle line:84%
It's just true simultaneously
that a global magnetic field

01:13:46.050 --> 01:13:48.240 align:middle line:84%
also constrains
the global current.

01:13:48.240 --> 01:13:51.797 align:middle line:84%
And so you don't end up having
too much perturbation here.

01:13:51.797 --> 01:13:53.130 align:middle line:90%
There will be some perturbation.

01:13:53.130 --> 01:13:55.090 align:middle line:84%
You'll be cooling down the
plasma and things like that.

01:13:55.090 --> 01:13:56.730 align:middle line:84%
But if you're on
small length scales

01:13:56.730 --> 01:13:58.740 align:middle line:84%
compared to the plasma
dynamics, the current

01:13:58.740 --> 01:14:00.550 align:middle line:90%
will still be roughly the same.

01:14:00.550 --> 01:14:01.050 align:middle line:90%
Yeah?

01:14:01.050 --> 01:14:05.513 align:middle line:84%
STUDENT: Can you repeat why
[INAUDIBLE] theta [INAUDIBLE]?

01:14:05.513 --> 01:14:07.180 align:middle line:84%
JACK HARE: It's just
that, in that case,

01:14:07.180 --> 01:14:10.230 align:middle line:84%
you have P much
less than B squared

01:14:10.230 --> 01:14:14.520 align:middle line:84%
over 2 mu 0, which means that
this J cross term is just

01:14:14.520 --> 01:14:18.970 align:middle line:90%
going to look like this.

01:14:18.970 --> 01:14:25.720 align:middle line:84%
And so this is x and this
is B squared over 2 mu 0.

01:14:25.720 --> 01:14:30.470 align:middle line:84%
So this is only going to
vary by, say, 1% or so.

01:14:30.470 --> 01:14:32.470 align:middle line:84%
But you're trying to
measure the pressure, which

01:14:32.470 --> 01:14:36.250 align:middle line:84%
is going to be the opposite
of this, down at about

01:14:36.250 --> 01:14:39.280 align:middle line:84%
a 1% level, which
means you need to have

01:14:39.280 --> 01:14:42.187 align:middle line:84%
1% accuracy on this
reconstruction.

01:14:42.187 --> 01:14:44.020 align:middle line:84%
So you need to have
very low signal to noise

01:14:44.020 --> 01:14:48.670 align:middle line:84%
because if your
signal was noisy,

01:14:48.670 --> 01:14:52.100 align:middle line:84%
you would just reconstruct
a completely noisy pressure

01:14:52.100 --> 01:14:52.600 align:middle line:90%
signal.

01:14:52.600 --> 01:14:53.892 align:middle line:90%
And it wouldn't make any sense.

01:14:53.892 --> 01:14:59.545 align:middle line:90%


01:14:59.545 --> 01:15:00.045 align:middle line:90%
Okey doke.

01:15:00.045 --> 01:15:06.820 align:middle line:90%


01:15:06.820 --> 01:15:10.150 align:middle line:84%
Some other cool tricks
you can do with probes--

01:15:10.150 --> 01:15:12.850 align:middle line:84%
if you can't move the
probe inside the plasma

01:15:12.850 --> 01:15:15.490 align:middle line:84%
because the plasma
is moving too quickly

01:15:15.490 --> 01:15:17.650 align:middle line:84%
or it's not steady
enough, you can just

01:15:17.650 --> 01:15:20.450 align:middle line:84%
set your probe up and let
the plasma flow over it.

01:15:20.450 --> 01:15:25.340 align:middle line:84%
So for example, we could
have a B-dot probe like this.

01:15:25.340 --> 01:15:29.800 align:middle line:84%
And we can have a
plasma that is moving

01:15:29.800 --> 01:15:34.970 align:middle line:84%
towards the probe
with some velocity, v.

01:15:34.970 --> 01:15:37.610 align:middle line:84%
And we're assuming here
that this plasma is taking

01:15:37.610 --> 01:15:40.400 align:middle line:90%
with it some magnetic field.

01:15:40.400 --> 01:15:42.920 align:middle line:84%
And maybe you know which
direction the magnetic field

01:15:42.920 --> 01:15:44.840 align:middle line:84%
is pointing in prior
to the experiment.

01:15:44.840 --> 01:15:46.880 align:middle line:84%
And you set up your
B-dot probe so that it's

01:15:46.880 --> 01:15:48.990 align:middle line:90%
aligned with this field.

01:15:48.990 --> 01:15:51.050 align:middle line:84%
And if you have a set
of these B-dot probes--

01:15:51.050 --> 01:15:53.420 align:middle line:84%
for example, if you have
one here and then you

01:15:53.420 --> 01:15:59.910 align:middle line:84%
have one up here and they've
got some separation delta

01:15:59.910 --> 01:16:04.590 align:middle line:84%
x, like this, the signal that
you'll measure on the two probes

01:16:04.590 --> 01:16:05.350 align:middle line:90%
will be delayed.

01:16:05.350 --> 01:16:10.010 align:middle line:84%
So if one probe goes
like this and gives you

01:16:10.010 --> 01:16:13.880 align:middle line:84%
this magnetic field
as a function of time,

01:16:13.880 --> 01:16:19.090 align:middle line:90%
well, that one is 2, 1.

01:16:19.090 --> 01:16:25.140 align:middle line:90%
And the next one goes like this.

01:16:25.140 --> 01:16:26.910 align:middle line:84%
You can do some
rather neat tricks

01:16:26.910 --> 01:16:31.500 align:middle line:84%
and identify similar features in
these two signals-- so the start

01:16:31.500 --> 01:16:35.520 align:middle line:84%
of the magnetic field,
the start of this foot,

01:16:35.520 --> 01:16:39.550 align:middle line:84%
the peak of the magnetic field
here, and the fall of this foot

01:16:39.550 --> 01:16:40.050 align:middle line:90%
here.

01:16:40.050 --> 01:16:46.180 align:middle line:90%


01:16:46.180 --> 01:16:48.320 align:middle line:84%
And you can calculate the
time differences here.

01:16:48.320 --> 01:16:49.987 align:middle line:84%
So you'll have a set
of time differences

01:16:49.987 --> 01:16:55.790 align:middle line:84%
like delta T1, delta T2,
delta T3, and so on like that.

01:16:55.790 --> 01:16:57.700 align:middle line:84%
And from this, you can
put it all together.

01:16:57.700 --> 01:17:00.640 align:middle line:84%
And you can get out an
estimate for the flow velocity

01:17:00.640 --> 01:17:05.470 align:middle line:84%
of your plasma as a function
of time at a specific point,

01:17:05.470 --> 01:17:08.740 align:middle line:84%
so at the location
of your probe, just

01:17:08.740 --> 01:17:17.000 align:middle line:84%
from doing very simple time of
flight differencing like this.

01:17:17.000 --> 01:17:19.210 align:middle line:84%
It turns out this formula
is a bit simplified.

01:17:19.210 --> 01:17:22.000 align:middle line:84%
You actually have to think
in a Lagrangian sense

01:17:22.000 --> 01:17:23.898 align:middle line:84%
rather than this is
an Eulerian sense.

01:17:23.898 --> 01:17:26.440 align:middle line:84%
And one of my grad students,
[? Rachaad ?] [? Datta, ?] wrote

01:17:26.440 --> 01:17:29.420 align:middle line:84%
a nice paper on how to do
this properly last year,

01:17:29.420 --> 01:17:30.910 align:middle line:90%
which is in RSI.

01:17:30.910 --> 01:17:35.000 align:middle line:84%
So if you want to know any more
details, [? Datta ?] et al.

01:17:35.000 --> 01:17:37.480 align:middle line:90%
RSI 2022.

01:17:37.480 --> 01:17:39.230 align:middle line:84%
Another thing that
[? Rachaad ?] then did,

01:17:39.230 --> 01:17:41.860 align:middle line:84%
which is the final thing I
want to talk about today,

01:17:41.860 --> 01:17:48.170 align:middle line:84%
is he asked what happens if the
plasma, which is flowing here,

01:17:48.170 --> 01:17:58.203 align:middle line:84%
is flowing supersonically, has
a Mach number greater than 1.

01:17:58.203 --> 01:17:59.620 align:middle line:84%
Anyone know what
will happen then?

01:17:59.620 --> 01:18:02.760 align:middle line:90%


01:18:02.760 --> 01:18:03.777 align:middle line:90%
Yeah?

01:18:03.777 --> 01:18:05.030 align:middle line:90%
STUDENT: [INAUDIBLE]

01:18:05.030 --> 01:18:07.880 align:middle line:84%
JACK HARE: Yeah, so
you'll get a bow shock

01:18:07.880 --> 01:18:10.390 align:middle line:90%
forming around your probe.

01:18:10.390 --> 01:18:13.660 align:middle line:84%
Anyone taking a course
in shock physics and

01:18:13.660 --> 01:18:18.870 align:middle line:84%
know anything interesting about
the shape of the bow shock?

01:18:18.870 --> 01:18:21.260 align:middle line:90%
STUDENT: [INAUDIBLE]

01:18:21.260 --> 01:18:23.180 align:middle line:90%


01:18:23.180 --> 01:18:24.110 align:middle line:90%
JACK HARE: Indeed.

01:18:24.110 --> 01:18:27.300 align:middle line:84%
So the opening
angle of this shock,

01:18:27.300 --> 01:18:32.510 align:middle line:84%
which we call mu, from
simple shock theory,

01:18:32.510 --> 01:18:35.390 align:middle line:84%
we get that the sine
of this opening angle

01:18:35.390 --> 01:18:38.550 align:middle line:84%
is equal to 1 over
the Mach number.

01:18:38.550 --> 01:18:41.510 align:middle line:84%
So if we have a probe
and a camera taking

01:18:41.510 --> 01:18:43.610 align:middle line:84%
a picture of this
bow shock and we

01:18:43.610 --> 01:18:45.620 align:middle line:84%
can measure the
opening angle of it,

01:18:45.620 --> 01:18:49.480 align:middle line:90%
we can get out the Mach number.

01:18:49.480 --> 01:18:51.430 align:middle line:90%
What's the Mach number equal to?

01:18:51.430 --> 01:18:55.006 align:middle line:90%
The dimensionless parameter?

01:18:55.006 --> 01:18:57.112 align:middle line:90%
STUDENT: [INAUDIBLE]

01:18:57.112 --> 01:18:58.520 align:middle line:90%


01:18:58.520 --> 01:19:00.470 align:middle line:84%
JACK HARE: Speed
over the sound speed.

01:19:00.470 --> 01:19:01.070 align:middle line:90%
Great.

01:19:01.070 --> 01:19:07.510 align:middle line:84%
Well, we've already measured
the speed using this technique.

01:19:07.510 --> 01:19:11.000 align:middle line:84%
We've just measured the Mach
number using this technique.

01:19:11.000 --> 01:19:15.670 align:middle line:84%
So now, we have an estimate
of the sound speed.

01:19:15.670 --> 01:19:18.520 align:middle line:84%
And in a plasma,
the sound speed is

01:19:18.520 --> 01:19:22.060 align:middle line:84%
going to be something like
gamma average ionization

01:19:22.060 --> 01:19:26.710 align:middle line:84%
times the electron temperature
over the ion mass all

01:19:26.710 --> 01:19:28.720 align:middle line:90%
[? halved, ?] like this.

01:19:28.720 --> 01:19:31.360 align:middle line:84%
Now, some of these coefficients
we don't know very well.

01:19:31.360 --> 01:19:33.370 align:middle line:84%
We should know what our
plasma is made out of.

01:19:33.370 --> 01:19:34.990 align:middle line:90%
We should know the ion mass.

01:19:34.990 --> 01:19:39.100 align:middle line:84%
It turns out that this
gamma for high density

01:19:39.100 --> 01:19:43.290 align:middle line:84%
plasma where you're going
to see shocks is about 1.1.

01:19:43.290 --> 01:19:45.000 align:middle line:90%
E would be 5/3 in an ideal gas.

01:19:45.000 --> 01:19:46.980 align:middle line:84%
But it's reduced by the
effect of ionization.

01:19:46.980 --> 01:19:49.200 align:middle line:84%
And so all of this
together gives you

01:19:49.200 --> 01:19:55.360 align:middle line:84%
a measurement of the ionization
times the electron temperature,

01:19:55.360 --> 01:19:57.870 align:middle line:84%
which is kind of cool because
it means that, just by using

01:19:57.870 --> 01:20:02.060 align:middle line:84%
a single B-dot and a camera,
you can get out the electron

01:20:02.060 --> 01:20:04.550 align:middle line:84%
temperature of your plasma,
which is the sort of thing

01:20:04.550 --> 01:20:07.340 align:middle line:84%
that you normally need to do
optical Thomson scattering for.

01:20:07.340 --> 01:20:09.200 align:middle line:84%
We're going to spend four
lectures on optical Thomson

01:20:09.200 --> 01:20:09.700 align:middle line:90%
scattering.

01:20:09.700 --> 01:20:11.630 align:middle line:84%
It's not an easy
thing to understand,

01:20:11.630 --> 01:20:14.540 align:middle line:84%
whereas this is a relatively
simple diagnostic and relatively

01:20:14.540 --> 01:20:15.540 align:middle line:90%
cheap as well.

01:20:15.540 --> 01:20:17.180 align:middle line:84%
So this is kind of
a nice way of being

01:20:17.180 --> 01:20:19.250 align:middle line:84%
able to measure the
temperature of your plasma

01:20:19.250 --> 01:20:21.020 align:middle line:84%
just by taking
pictures of bow shocks

01:20:21.020 --> 01:20:23.730 align:middle line:84%
and measuring the magnetic
field flowing over them.

01:20:23.730 --> 01:20:27.580 align:middle line:84%
So I see there were
some questions.

01:20:27.580 --> 01:20:30.345 align:middle line:90%
STUDENT: [INAUDIBLE]

01:20:30.345 --> 01:20:45.270 align:middle line:90%


01:20:45.270 --> 01:20:47.770 align:middle line:84%
JACK HARE: So the question is,
does the heating of the probe

01:20:47.770 --> 01:20:48.880 align:middle line:90%
cause problems?

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Definitely, these
probes get blown up.

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And normally, you see the
voltage signal go haywire.

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And then you stop trusting
it after that point.

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So you integrate up
until time of death.

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And then you leave it, yeah.

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STUDENT: [INAUDIBLE]

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JACK HARE: The thing is that
heat transport is actually

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very slow on these timescales.

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These are like nanosecond
timescale experiments here.

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So you're not too worried
about heat transport.

01:21:11.390 --> 01:21:13.813 align:middle line:84%
So yeah, ablation is
actually like photoionization

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on the surface and
heating through

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as an ablation
[INAUDIBLE] problem, yeah.

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STUDENT: [INAUDIBLE]

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JACK HARE: So the
question is, are you

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looking at optical
wavelengths, are you

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looking at X-ray wavelengths?

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Yes, all of those
wavelengths will work.

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In general, the
brightness will be

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to do with the
density of the plasma.

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It has a stronger dependence
on density than anything else.

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So if the plasma is hot
enough to be emitting,

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then you will see
the density jump.

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And you'll see that
as a dark region,

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and then a bright region
where the shock is.

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So measuring this is uncertain.

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You want to measure mu
as far back as possible,

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where you've got
to a weak shock.

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But where you've
got the weak shock,

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you have a small density
jump, so you can't see it.

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So what you actually do
is you measure up here,

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and then eyeball it.

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And you go uh, maybe like that.

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And then you measure that.

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So that contributes
a lot to the errors.

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And then, of course,
because you're only

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measuring the sound
speed with temperature

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inside a square root, when
you square the sound speed

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to get the temperature,
that amplifies those errors.

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So we measured like
22 plus or minus

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9 electron volts, which is not
a very precise measurement.

01:22:25.640 --> 01:22:29.690 align:middle line:84%
But it's still better than
you can do with [INAUDIBLE].

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Yeah, any other questions?

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Yes?

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STUDENT: [INAUDIBLE]

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JACK HARE: Z is the average
ionization of the plasma.

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So for hydrogen,
that would just be 1.

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For fully stripped
carbon, that would be 6.

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But in the plasmas I work
with, your atom can have

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some electrons attached to it.

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So it's still an ion.

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But it doesn't have all
of the electrons removed.

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And we'll talk a lot more about
ionization states later on.

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But just throwing that in there,
if you're a tokamak person

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you don't like thinking about
z, you can just make that 1.

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But then you probably
won't get any radiation

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because it's fully stripped.

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So you probably won't be
able to see this very easily.

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So you need to have
something going on, yeah.

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Any other questions?

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Anything from Colombia?

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01:23:15.660 --> 01:23:17.700 align:middle line:84%
All right, well, we're
at time or past time.

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Thank you very much.

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See you next week.

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