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NORVIN W. RICHARDS: I was
thinking about today's topic

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earlier.

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And I thought of a metaphor.

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I haven't tried this
metaphor before.

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This is the first time I
have tried this metaphor

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on people in class.

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It's always dangerous
thinking of metaphors

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for all kinds of reasons.

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One of them is that
it's entirely possible

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that I'm about to beat this
metaphor into the ground.

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I'm going to talk
about it for a while.

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But-- so I apologize in
advance if that happens.

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It's also possible that I
will tell you the metaphor,

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and you will wonder, what
the heck is he talking about?

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It will be too metaphorical.

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But, hopefully, as
the class goes along,

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it'll become clear
what I'm talking about.

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Or maybe it'll be
clear immediately.

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Who knows?

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OK.

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Here's the metaphor.

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You have to try to
imagine for this metaphor

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that the United States
is the kind of country--

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bless you-- in which board
games are extremely popular.

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Everyone plays board
games all the time.

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It's like the standard
way for people

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to interact with each other.

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So if you are on a
long plane flight,

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you'll probably
play a board game

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with the person
sitting next to you.

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You go-- you move
into your new dorm,

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and you start
playing board games

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with your new roommate and
the other people on your hall.

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That's just the
normal way for people

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to interact with each other--
all board games all the time.

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And try to imagine that there
are various board games that

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are popular.

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But in the US, for some
reason, the two big ones

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are chess and checkers.

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So those are the two board
games that are the most popular.

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There are other
games people play.

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But those are the two big ones.

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And the following kind of
weird thing has happened.

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There are families in which
everybody plays chess,

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let's say.

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Families specialize.

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So if you're born
in a chess family,

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then mom and dad play chess.

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And your older brothers
and sisters play chess.

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And your uncles, and your
aunts, and your ankles--

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your ankles do not play chess.

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Your uncles, and your aunts,
and your grandparents, they

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all play chess.

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And maybe nobody ever actually
sits you down and explains

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the rules of chess to you.

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But you see everybody
playing chess,

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and you eventually get to
where you're pretty good at it.

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In fact, by the time you're
old enough to go to school,

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you're very good
at playing chess

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if you grow up in
a chess family.

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And then there are the
checkers families, which

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are the same except checkers.

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So everybody plays checkers.

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If you grew up in
a checkers family,

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mom and dad play checkers.

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Older brothers and
sisters play checkers.

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You watch them play checkers.

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You become a checkers
expert by the time you're

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old enough to go to school.

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So there are chess kids and
there are checkers kids.

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And then when you go to
school, the following kind

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of weird thing happens.

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The teachers act as though
there is no such game as chess.

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So when they see kids
playing checkers,

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they're like, oh, yeah.

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And they watch the
kids playing checkers.

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Maybe they make tactical
suggestions or whatever.

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Maybe the teachers play
checkers with each other.

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Maybe they play checkers
with the kids sometimes.

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But when they see
kids playing chess,

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they say things like,
what are you doing?

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That's not the right
way to play checkers.

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You just took that one piece and
you moved it a zillion diagonal

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spaces.

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You can't do that.

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You're just violating all
the rules of checkers.

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That's not how checkers works.

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And what is the deal with
these weird checkers pieces--

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this one that looks like
a horse, and this one that

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looks like a castle?

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Put all that stuff away.

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Get yourself a real
checkers board.

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And play checkers
like a normal person.

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There are tests that
kids get in school where

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they are asked questions like
"Is it OK to take a piece

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and move it two steps forward
and one step to the right?"

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And the kids are
supposed to say,

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no, it's not OK to
do that, because this

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is a checkers test, and in
checkers you can't do that.

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So if you're from
a checkers family,

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this is an easy test for you
because, in fact, you can't

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make that move in checkers.

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If you're from a chess
family, then it's

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a little harder
because, of course,

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that's how you move your knight.

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That's one way you
can move your knight.

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And so maybe you made that
move just this morning

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playing with your
mom or your dad.

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And so kids from chess
families have a tendency

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to do badly on this
these tests, which

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means that when it comes
time to put the kids

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in the checkers classes--

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there are checkers
classes in schools.

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There are no chess classes,
only checkers classes.

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The kids from
checkers families tend

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to be the ones who get
into Advanced Checkers,

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and later they go on to AP
Checkers where they get--

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AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

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NORVIN W. RICHARDS:
--where they get

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college credit for their
college checkers classes.

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The kids from chess families--

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it varies.

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Some of them learn quickly how
to play checkers and suppress

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their knowledge of chess.

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But some of them have a hard
time, and it's hard for them

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to switch that quickly.

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Every so often, you
will get a teacher who's

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maybe a little more
enlightened and admits

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that there is such
a game as chess,

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and who will say to
the kids, it's OK.

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The kids who are from chess
families-- they'll say to them,

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it's OK for you to play chess
in the privacy of your own home

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with your family.

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But it's important for you
not to play it in public

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because people will
get the wrong idea.

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It's really important for
you to be good at checkers.

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Checkers is the
really important game.

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That's what the
teachers will say.

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And the teachers have
a point because this

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is a version of America in
which checkers is what people

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expect you to be good at.

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If you go for a job interview
or in political campaigns--

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presidential campaigns always
involve a huge checkers

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tournament between
the candidates,

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political correspondents
watching the game

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and commenting on the moves.

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And if somebody tries to make a
chess move in a checkers game,

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well, then, no one
will vote for them.

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That's the metaphor.

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There.

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Now, if it's not yet clear
what I'm talking about,

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hopefully it will
be in a second.

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Are there any questions about
the metaphor other than, what?

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[CHUCKLES] OK.

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AUDIENCE: [? Is it a ?] fact
that [? humans ?] see that

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checkers is [? used ?]
[INAUDIBLE] will be superior

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[INAUDIBLE]?

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NORVIN W. RICHARDS: Yeah.

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So you have to imagine that
checkers is the superior game

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in this version of the story.

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I could have told the
story the other way around.

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But I told it this way.

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AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]

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NORVIN W. RICHARDS: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Other questions?

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OK.

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So seemingly unrelated topic--

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remember negative
polarity items?

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Negative polarity items
were these expressions

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that you used together
with negation to say things

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like, "I didn't see anything."

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And what we said about
them-- so "anything" is

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a negative polarity item.

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And to call it a
negative polarity item

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is to say it's an expression
with some restrictions on where

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it can be used.

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We talked a little bit
about the different kinds

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of quantifiers that
make it possible to use

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a negative polarity item.

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One of them is--

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well, negation makes it possible
to use a negative polarity

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item.

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That's how they get their name.

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But in a sentence
like, "I saw anything,"

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there's something
wrong with that.

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Yeah?

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AUDIENCE: What about,
"I will eat anything?"

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NORVIN W. RICHARDS: Ah!

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So negative polarity items
often have another use.

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Let me find a piece of chalk.

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For some reason,
this always happens.

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There are many
erasers but no chalk.

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There's actually
literally no chalk.

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Where are the-- what the heck?

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"I will eat anything."

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This is sometimes called "free
choice 'any.'" And it's very

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interesting.

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Notice that it's
also restricted.

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So "I saw anything"
is actually no good.

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You can't use either free choice
"any" or negative polarity

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"any."

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But you're right there's
another possible use

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of these kinds of things.

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Having admitted
that you're right,

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let me just suppress that point.

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Yeah.

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You're absolutely right.

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There are complications.

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Yeah.

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Yeah?

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So, plenty of languages have
negative polarity items.

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And maybe unsurprisingly
if you are using--

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if you're going to answer a
question like, "What did you

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see?"

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in the language that
I'm now speaking,

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"anything" is not
a possible answer.

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We can be unsurprised by
that in a couple of ways.

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One would be to say, well,
yeah, this gets us back

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to the kinds of things we
were talking about when

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we were talking about ellipses.

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So if we want to think of
this as an utterance that just

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consists of a noun
phrase-- "anything"--

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then it's unsurprising
that it's bad.

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It's bad, well,
because "anything"

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doesn't have any negation
anywhere to make it happy.

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Yeah.

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That's what NPIs need--

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Negative Polarity Items.

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Getting back to your
point-- if the question

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was, "What will you eat?"

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a possible answer is "anything."

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You can also do the free
choice version of "any."

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If we want to think about
this as ellipsis-- that

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is, if we want to think of it
as, I ask you "What did you

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see?" and you are in some sense
saying, "I saw anything," well,

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that's bad because "I
saw anything" is bad.

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There's no negation
in the sentence.

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And I guess what we're
learning-- maybe you remember--

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when we were talking
about ellipsis,

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we talked about the fact
that when you do ellipsis--

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when you say things like,
"John likes his father,

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and Bill does too," there's
some kind of requirement

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that the missing phrase--

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the missing verb
phrase, in this case--

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be the same as
another verb phrase

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and we talked about the
fact that you sometimes

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have to do some work to figure
out what counts as the same.

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So we decided that this
was an ambiguous sentence.

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"John likes his father, and
Bill does too" can mean at least

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two things, possibly
some others as well.

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It's unclear whose
father we're talking

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about in this second clause.

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All right.

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So this could mean that John and
Bill both like John's father,

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or that John likes John's father
and Bill likes Bill's father.

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I guess it could
also mean that they

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both like Seymour's father--

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some other person.

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It could mean that.

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Yeah.

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So when we do ellipsis, we
have something that's missing,

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that is understood as being the
same as something that's there.

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And I guess what we're learning
here is that if I ask you,

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"What did you see?", if we want
to think of that as involving

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ellipsis, we want to think of
ourselves as being required

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to fill in "I saw anything."

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We don't, for example, have
the option of putting in

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"didn't see."

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And that's got something
to do with the fact

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that the question doesn't
have negation in it.

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It's a positive question.

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So a couple of ways of not
being surprised by this fact.

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Is everybody
sufficiently unsurprised?

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How do you answer a
question like this?

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"What did you see?"

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Well, one way you can do
it is by saying "Nothing."

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So we have another
kind of expression

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that you use that's
negative all by itself.

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It's not an NPI.

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It doesn't need to
combine with negation.

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OK so far?

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I'm just describing
facts about the language

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that I'm speaking--

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not just the language
that I'm speaking.

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There are plenty of languages
like this out there.

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Here are some Greek
data that are the same.

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So in Greek there's an
expression, [GREEK],,

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which is like "anything."

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Anybody here speak Greek?

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Cool.

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Then I won't mispronounce
Greek at you.

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I'm afraid I don't speak Greek.

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[GREEK]-- that means "anything."

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And it combines
with the Greek word

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for "not," which is "then."

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And so you can say
in Greek, literally,

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"He or she didn't see
anything," with "not"--

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[GREEK]---- but [GREEK] can't
be in a positive sentence.

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You can't say, "He
or she saw anything."

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And before anybody asks, I don't
know how to say things like,

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"I will eat anything" in Greek.

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I don't know whether
they can do that here.

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Yeah.

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So this is just to show you
when we were talking about NPIs,

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we were talking about English.

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But it's not just
an English thing.

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It's cross-linguistically
very common to have NPIs

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and for them to
behave this way--

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NPIs-- Negative Polarity Items.

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But there is another kind
of language out there.

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Here's a Ukrainian sentence.

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In Ukrainian, if I ask
you, "Who did you tell?"

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A possible response
is this word,

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which I won't try to
pronounce because I

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don't speak Ukrainian.

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We might as well
translate it as "nobody"

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because it's a
possible response that

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means "I didn't tell anybody."

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Anybody want to pronounce
this word for us?

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Do you--

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AUDIENCE: [UKRAINIAN]

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NORVIN W. RICHARDS: [UKRAINIAN]?

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OK.

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Cool.

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But Ukrainian is
different from English

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in that the same
word, [UKRAINIAN],,

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can combine with their negation.

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So it's not an NPI.

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It can combine with
their negation.

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And the result is
a single negation.

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So if you want to say, "I didn't
tell anybody," in Ukrainian,

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you say [UKRAINIAN]---- that
same word that you would use

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to answer the question,
"Who did you tell?"

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We could think of that
word as meaning "nobody."

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But if you want
to say, "I didn't

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tell anybody," in Ukrainian,
you use that word.

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And you also use
the word for "not."

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So you say, literally,
"I didn't tell nobody."

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But they don't have--

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so the word-- that
doesn't mean--

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so that means "I
didn't tell anybody."

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That's what that means.

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Ukrainian is not the
only language like this.

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Italian is like that.

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So in Italian, if I ask
you, "What did you say see?"

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you can say in
Italian, "niente."

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So we can translate
"niente" as "nothing."

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But if you want to say,
"I didn't see anything,"

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in Italian, you say,
"Non ho visto niente,"--

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literally, "I have
not seen nothing."

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"I have not seen 'niente.'"
So this is a different system.

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In English, we have these--

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the language I'm speaking,
in Greek as well--

00:14:08.110 --> 00:14:10.570 align:middle line:84%
we have these expressions--
these negative polarity

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expressions-- which
aren't possible

00:14:12.430 --> 00:14:15.495 align:middle line:84%
answers to positive questions
like, "What did you see?"

00:14:15.495 --> 00:14:16.870 align:middle line:84%
If I ask you,
"What did you see,"

00:14:16.870 --> 00:14:18.010 align:middle line:90%
you cannot say "anything."

00:14:18.010 --> 00:14:19.600 align:middle line:90%
You have to say, "nothing."

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If we use that as a test for
whether we're looking at an NPI

00:14:22.990 --> 00:14:25.480 align:middle line:84%
or not-- as a test for figuring
out whether we're looking

00:14:25.480 --> 00:14:28.300 align:middle line:84%
at "anything" or
"nothing," then Ukrainian

00:14:28.300 --> 00:14:30.460 align:middle line:84%
and Italian and
many other languages

00:14:30.460 --> 00:14:31.510 align:middle line:90%
have a different system.

00:14:31.510 --> 00:14:34.240 align:middle line:84%
One in which instead
of having NPIs,

00:14:34.240 --> 00:14:37.010 align:middle line:84%
you have these expressions
which express negation

00:14:37.010 --> 00:14:38.110 align:middle line:90%
all by themselves--

00:14:38.110 --> 00:14:40.840 align:middle line:84%
[UKRAINIAN] and [ITALIAN],,
which mean things like "nobody"

00:14:40.840 --> 00:14:43.150 align:middle line:84%
or "nothing"-- that can be
answers to questions like,

00:14:43.150 --> 00:14:45.490 align:middle line:84%
"Who did you tell?"
or "What did you see?"

00:14:45.490 --> 00:14:49.900 align:middle line:84%
But in question-- statements
that are longer than that--

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they don't have ellipses--

00:14:51.850 --> 00:14:54.280 align:middle line:84%
if you want to say things
like "I didn't see anything"

00:14:54.280 --> 00:14:56.830 align:middle line:84%
or "I didn't tell anybody,"
you use these same expressions.

00:14:56.830 --> 00:14:59.200 align:middle line:84%
There isn't a specialized
class of NPIs,

00:14:59.200 --> 00:15:02.050 align:middle line:84%
at least not for this
kind of sentence.

00:15:02.050 --> 00:15:04.400 align:middle line:90%
Is that clear?

00:15:04.400 --> 00:15:06.780 align:middle line:90%
Does that make sense?

00:15:06.780 --> 00:15:08.570 align:middle line:84%
The second kind of
language is sometimes

00:15:08.570 --> 00:15:10.890 align:middle line:84%
called a negative
concord language.

00:15:10.890 --> 00:15:14.280 align:middle line:84%
And let me give you some
background for that.

00:15:14.280 --> 00:15:16.290 align:middle line:84%
Concord is a phenomenon
which I think we haven't

00:15:16.290 --> 00:15:18.028 align:middle line:90%
talked about in this class.

00:15:18.028 --> 00:15:20.070 align:middle line:84%
There are plenty of
languages out there in which,

00:15:20.070 --> 00:15:24.120 align:middle line:84%
when you have a noun phrase
that has multiple things in it--

00:15:24.120 --> 00:15:25.860 align:middle line:84%
say it has-- there
are adjectives

00:15:25.860 --> 00:15:27.682 align:middle line:90%
or there are demonstratives.

00:15:27.682 --> 00:15:30.366 align:middle line:90%


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There will be morphology
on the noun of the kind

00:15:34.170 --> 00:15:36.090 align:middle line:84%
that we have talked
about a little bit--

00:15:36.090 --> 00:15:39.450 align:middle line:84%
morphology that indicates
things like, this is masculine,

00:15:39.450 --> 00:15:40.660 align:middle line:90%
or this is feminine.

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It tells you what noun
class the noun is in.

00:15:43.080 --> 00:15:46.320 align:middle line:84%
Or it'll tell you whether the
noun is singular or plural.

00:15:46.320 --> 00:15:47.820 align:middle line:84%
Or sometimes there'll
be morphology

00:15:47.820 --> 00:15:49.680 align:middle line:84%
telling you the
case of the noun,

00:15:49.680 --> 00:15:54.220 align:middle line:84%
whether it's a subject or
an object or something else.

00:15:54.220 --> 00:15:55.917 align:middle line:84%
So Italian is a
language, for example,

00:15:55.917 --> 00:15:57.000 align:middle line:90%
in which there's concord--

00:15:57.000 --> 00:15:59.640 align:middle line:84%
the word for "butterfly"
in Italian is "farfalla."

00:15:59.640 --> 00:16:02.850 align:middle line:84%
And the "ah" at the
end marks the butterfly

00:16:02.850 --> 00:16:05.350 align:middle line:84%
as being singular
and also feminine.

00:16:05.350 --> 00:16:07.200 align:middle line:90%
It's in the feminine noun class.

00:16:07.200 --> 00:16:09.363 align:middle line:90%
It's of the feminine gender.

00:16:09.363 --> 00:16:11.280 align:middle line:84%
And to say that it's of
the feminine gender is

00:16:11.280 --> 00:16:13.280 align:middle line:84%
to say that if you want
to modify this butterfly

00:16:13.280 --> 00:16:14.910 align:middle line:90%
with adjectives--

00:16:14.910 --> 00:16:17.610 align:middle line:84%
a beautiful butterfly
is a "farfalla bella"

00:16:17.610 --> 00:16:21.420 align:middle line:84%
So you use the feminine
marker on the adjective

00:16:21.420 --> 00:16:22.585 align:middle line:90%
as well as on the noun.

00:16:22.585 --> 00:16:24.960 align:middle line:84%
And if you want to say, "this
beautiful butterfly," well,

00:16:24.960 --> 00:16:26.252 align:middle line:90%
you use that "ah" again.

00:16:26.252 --> 00:16:28.710 align:middle line:84%
So "this beautiful butterfly"--
you can see there are three

00:16:28.710 --> 00:16:31.470 align:middle line:84%
"ahs," all of them saying
over and over again,

00:16:31.470 --> 00:16:34.470 align:middle line:84%
this butterfly is
feminine and singular.

00:16:34.470 --> 00:16:37.050 align:middle line:84%
You don't just realize that
fact on the butterfly itself.

00:16:37.050 --> 00:16:41.280 align:middle line:84%
You realize it all
over the noun phrase.

00:16:41.280 --> 00:16:42.750 align:middle line:90%
And if any of you have studied--

00:16:42.750 --> 00:16:46.200 align:middle line:84%
this is cross-linguistically
a very popular phenomenon.

00:16:46.200 --> 00:16:48.258 align:middle line:84%
It's all over the
Indo-European languages.

00:16:48.258 --> 00:16:49.800 align:middle line:84%
English doesn't have
it because we're

00:16:49.800 --> 00:16:53.580 align:middle line:84%
not big on morphology in
general but especially not

00:16:53.580 --> 00:16:54.135 align:middle line:90%
on our nouns.

00:16:54.135 --> 00:16:57.150 align:middle line:90%


00:16:57.150 --> 00:16:58.630 align:middle line:90%
But it's widespread.

00:16:58.630 --> 00:17:01.770 align:middle line:84%
If you study Italian, or
Spanish, or French, or German,

00:17:01.770 --> 00:17:05.130 align:middle line:84%
you'll have to learn
about things like this.

00:17:05.130 --> 00:17:07.390 align:middle line:84%
And it's found outside
Indo-European as well.

00:17:07.390 --> 00:17:09.060 align:middle line:84%
So there's a Lardil
example here--

00:17:09.060 --> 00:17:11.069 align:middle line:90%
[LARDIL], "this big rock."

00:17:11.069 --> 00:17:12.420 align:middle line:90%
This is an accusative big rock.

00:17:12.420 --> 00:17:14.520 align:middle line:84%
It's the kind of phrase
you'd use to say,

00:17:14.520 --> 00:17:17.010 align:middle line:90%
"I picked up this big rock."

00:17:17.010 --> 00:17:17.910 align:middle line:90%
It's an object.

00:17:17.910 --> 00:17:20.130 align:middle line:84%
You're going to mark the
rock with accusative,

00:17:20.130 --> 00:17:22.740 align:middle line:84%
but also the word for "this"
and the word for "big."

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So this is called concord.

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And there's an Icelandic
example there which

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I took from a paper--
"four little snails," which

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are nominative.

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"Four" and "little"
and "snails" all

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have suffixes on
them telling you

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that the snails are nominative
and masculine and plural.

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So Italian has concord
for number and gender--

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so feminine and singular.

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Lardil has concord
just for case.

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Icelandic has concord
for all three--

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case, number, and gender.

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So concord-- it's a phenomenon.

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It's a phenomenon with
the following shape--

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sometimes a fact-- in
this case, say the fact

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that a noun is feminine,
or that it's singular,

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or that its accusative is
marked not just on the noun

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but on a bunch of
things near the noun,

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and so the noun, but also
adjectives and demonstratives

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and other kinds of things.

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It's called concord.

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And to say that these languages
are negative concord languages

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is to say, yeah, in a
language like Italian,

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if you want to say, "I
didn't see anything,"

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you're going to mark negation
not just in what's called

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sentential negation-- the
Italian word for "not"

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which is "non"--

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yes, you'll use that word.

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But you'll also mark
it on the object.

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So you will say, in effect,
"I not saw nothing."

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That's how you do this
in Italian, or Ukrainian,

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or Russian, or a zillion
other languages--

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lots of languages that do this--
negative concord languages.

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Now, we have talked
about English

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as though English has
negative polarity items.

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And that is true of the version
of English that I am speaking.

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But there are other
versions of English

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in which there is,
instead, negative concord.

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So there are versions of
English in which the right way

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to say, "I didn't
see anything," is,

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"I didn't see nothing," in which
that's the way you say this.

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Has anybody encountered
this version of English?

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Did anybody grow up speaking
this version of English?

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Yes?

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Yeah?

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Sort of.

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So I grew up in Alabama.

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I was surrounded by people who
spoke this version of English.

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I grew up in Alabama
in a university town.

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My parents are
from further north,

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so I have always had
the accent that I have.

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It made-- it was the beginning
of a long life of being

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peculiar, surrounded by people
who talk differently than me.

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And one of the
things that I did was

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that I spoke negative polarity
item English, not negative

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concord English.

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But we were given tests
when I was a kid--

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I noticed recently my
son, who's in fifth grade,

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he's also given
tests and homework

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assignments in which he is asked
to fix problems with sentences.

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So sometimes the sentences--
the capitalization is wrong,

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or there's a word that's
misspelled, or the punctuation

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is wrong.

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But sometimes the sentences
have negative concord in them.

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And his job is to say, no,
that's not the right way

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to speak English.

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You should speak--
you should have NPIs.

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You shouldn't have
negative concord.

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I remember taking
tests like that too.

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Those of you who grew up
in English-speaking places,

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do you remember being
given tests like this?

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So these are tests
in which people

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are checking which dialect
of English do you speak?

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Are you from a checkers
family or a chess family?

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And if you're from
a checkers family,

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these tests are easy for you.

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Because, well, checkers
is what you play at home.

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Yeah, it's easy.

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But if you're from
a chess family,

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then you have to
remember, oh, yeah,

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I'm surrounded by
people who don't believe

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in the existence of chess.

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They only believe in checkers.

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And so it's your job
to try to pretend

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to be a speaker of this
other dialect of English.

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To put it another way, if you're
growing up in the States--

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and I think this is not
just true of the States.

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This is pretty common
in a lot of places.

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There are a variety of ways to
speak the majority language.

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And there's a certain set
of them that are approved--

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that schools approve of.

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And there are
others that schools

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feel it's their job to try
to steer you away from,

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even if it's, in fact,
your native language.

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This is a tricky position
for schools to be in.

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Does this ring true with
your experiences in school?

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Do you remember doing this?

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There's this weird disconnect
between different kinds

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of things that happen.

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Negative concord is
the kind of thing

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that I was explicitly
taught not to do.

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And when I was
growing up in Alabama,

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I could see why they
were teaching us

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not to do this because,
well, I was surrounded

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by people who were doing it.

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And so you could see why the
teachers felt as though they

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had to stamp it out.

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Like I said, it wasn't my
dialect of English, so it was--

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these tests were easier for me.

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There are other kinds
of things that are not--

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not been targeted by education.

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And so they have a
different status.

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This is another one.

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The percentage sign at the
beginning of this sentence is

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a mark linguists sometimes use
to indicate that some speakers

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accept this and others don't.

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It's what the
percentage sign is for.

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So you guys have
seen stars on things

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that say they're ungrammatical--
other kinds of marks--

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percentage sign says a certain
percentage of English speakers

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can say this.

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So I grew up with this.

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It's called positive anymore.

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This is a version
of English in which

00:22:43.820 --> 00:22:45.860 align:middle line:84%
you can say things like
"I used to walk to work,

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but anymore, I take the T."

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Is there anybody
here who can do this?

00:22:52.640 --> 00:22:53.300 align:middle line:90%
Yes?

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Cool.

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AUDIENCE: My brother
talks like that a lot.

00:22:56.570 --> 00:22:58.310 align:middle line:84%
And I think it has
to do with the fact

00:22:58.310 --> 00:23:04.350 align:middle line:84%
that in Spanish, the word
"ya," and "yano," is "anymore,"

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or "already," or "now."

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And it can kind of
mean "anything."

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NORVIN W. RICHARDS:
Oh, that's interesting.

00:23:08.480 --> 00:23:09.230 align:middle line:90%
AUDIENCE: Yeah.

00:23:09.230 --> 00:23:10.188 align:middle line:90%
NORVIN W. RICHARDS: OK.

00:23:10.188 --> 00:23:11.107 align:middle line:90%
Cool.

00:23:11.107 --> 00:23:12.690 align:middle line:84%
Is there anybody
else who can do this?

00:23:12.690 --> 00:23:13.890 align:middle line:84%
Is there anybody who
is looking at this

00:23:13.890 --> 00:23:16.590 align:middle line:84%
and wondering if I suffered
some kind of injury on the way

00:23:16.590 --> 00:23:19.060 align:middle line:84%
to class today, and this
can't possibly-- yeah.

00:23:19.060 --> 00:23:19.560 align:middle line:90%
OK.

00:23:19.560 --> 00:23:22.440 align:middle line:84%
So I often-- when I get to
this slide in this lecture,

00:23:22.440 --> 00:23:23.610 align:middle line:90%
I get these kinds of looks.

00:23:23.610 --> 00:23:25.290 align:middle line:90%
They're like, what?

00:23:25.290 --> 00:23:27.715 align:middle line:84%
So I don't come from a
Spanish-speaking background.

00:23:27.715 --> 00:23:29.340 align:middle line:84%
I come from a West
Virginia background.

00:23:29.340 --> 00:23:31.080 align:middle line:84%
So my mother is
from West Virginia.

00:23:31.080 --> 00:23:33.270 align:middle line:84%
And positive
anymore is a feature

00:23:33.270 --> 00:23:35.880 align:middle line:84%
of the area around West
Virginia and Pennsylvania.

00:23:35.880 --> 00:23:38.560 align:middle line:84%
There's this place
where, if you go there,

00:23:38.560 --> 00:23:40.950 align:middle line:84%
you will hear people
saying things like this.

00:23:40.950 --> 00:23:44.410 align:middle line:84%
It means something
like, "these days."

00:23:44.410 --> 00:23:49.110 align:middle line:84%
"Anymore"-- so "Anymore I take
the T," means, "as of now,

00:23:49.110 --> 00:23:49.860 align:middle line:90%
I take the T."

00:23:49.860 --> 00:23:51.270 align:middle line:90%
For me, at least--

00:23:51.270 --> 00:23:53.250 align:middle line:84%
I was doing some
googling about it.

00:23:53.250 --> 00:23:55.470 align:middle line:84%
It's most common
in places like this

00:23:55.470 --> 00:23:59.190 align:middle line:84%
where you're contrasting the
modern day with the past.

00:23:59.190 --> 00:24:00.570 align:middle line:90%
Yeah.

00:24:00.570 --> 00:24:04.410 align:middle line:84%
So here's another place
where my English is odd.

00:24:04.410 --> 00:24:06.010 align:middle line:84%
And I'm very much
in the minority.

00:24:06.010 --> 00:24:09.430 align:middle line:84%
So there's me, and there's Faith
sort of, and Faith's brother.

00:24:09.430 --> 00:24:09.930 align:middle line:90%
Yeah.

00:24:09.930 --> 00:24:11.565 align:middle line:84%
And the rest of you
have me outvoted.

00:24:11.565 --> 00:24:14.070 align:middle line:90%


00:24:14.070 --> 00:24:19.200 align:middle line:84%
But this particular feature
of a certain regional version

00:24:19.200 --> 00:24:23.130 align:middle line:84%
of English is somehow not on
the radar of the people who

00:24:23.130 --> 00:24:24.060 align:middle line:90%
write textbooks.

00:24:24.060 --> 00:24:27.150 align:middle line:84%
So I don't remember any teacher
ever telling me not to do this.

00:24:27.150 --> 00:24:30.000 align:middle line:84%
I think people didn't notice
that I was doing this.

00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:31.050 align:middle line:90%
I got away with it.

00:24:31.050 --> 00:24:34.230 align:middle line:90%


00:24:34.230 --> 00:24:37.830 align:middle line:84%
But, yes, this is a feature
of some versions of English.

00:24:37.830 --> 00:24:41.480 align:middle line:84%
Or, similarly, we've
talked about other things

00:24:41.480 --> 00:24:42.710 align:middle line:90%
in this class.

00:24:42.710 --> 00:24:45.235 align:middle line:90%
So people vary to the--

00:24:45.235 --> 00:24:47.360 align:middle line:84%
about the extent there are
phonological differences

00:24:47.360 --> 00:24:49.160 align:middle line:84%
between different
versions of English.

00:24:49.160 --> 00:24:52.220 align:middle line:84%
People vary with respect
to whether the name "Mary,"

00:24:52.220 --> 00:24:55.280 align:middle line:84%
and the adjective "merry,"
and the verb "marry"

00:24:55.280 --> 00:24:56.240 align:middle line:90%
sound the same.

00:24:56.240 --> 00:24:58.250 align:middle line:84%
To me, they do all
sound the same.

00:24:58.250 --> 00:25:01.160 align:middle line:84%
But there are people for
whom the verb, in particular,

00:25:01.160 --> 00:25:02.120 align:middle line:90%
is "maeh-ry"--

00:25:02.120 --> 00:25:03.660 align:middle line:90%
a different vowel.

00:25:03.660 --> 00:25:05.660 align:middle line:84%
And I believe there are
even people for whom all

00:25:05.660 --> 00:25:07.500 align:middle line:84%
three of them have
different pronunciations.

00:25:07.500 --> 00:25:11.810 align:middle line:84%
This is a feature of the area
around New York and New Jersey,

00:25:11.810 --> 00:25:13.580 align:middle line:84%
whether you speak
like this or not.

00:25:13.580 --> 00:25:18.350 align:middle line:90%


00:25:18.350 --> 00:25:23.040 align:middle line:84%
I grew up in Alabama where "pen"
and "pin" sound pretty similar.

00:25:23.040 --> 00:25:26.210 align:middle line:90%
They're both like "pin."

00:25:26.210 --> 00:25:30.650 align:middle line:84%
I grew up in Alabama where the
default word for a soft drink

00:25:30.650 --> 00:25:31.970 align:middle line:90%
is a Coke.

00:25:31.970 --> 00:25:34.640 align:middle line:84%
So a fizzy drink with
lots of sugar in it--

00:25:34.640 --> 00:25:36.800 align:middle line:90%
I think-- now, let's see--

00:25:36.800 --> 00:25:39.050 align:middle line:84%
I live in a soda
place now, right?

00:25:39.050 --> 00:25:42.200 align:middle line:84%
Don't-- aren't we-- this is
the soda part of the world?

00:25:42.200 --> 00:25:45.800 align:middle line:84%
And there's a pop
part of the world.

00:25:45.800 --> 00:25:48.710 align:middle line:84%
Who here grew up saying soda
for those kinds of drinks?

00:25:48.710 --> 00:25:51.286 align:middle line:90%
Did anybody grow up saying pop?

00:25:51.286 --> 00:25:52.340 align:middle line:90%
AUDIENCE: My mom did--

00:25:52.340 --> 00:25:53.360 align:middle line:84%
NORVIN W. RICHARDS:
Your mom did.

00:25:53.360 --> 00:25:53.810 align:middle line:90%
AUDIENCE: --when she was a girl.

00:25:53.810 --> 00:25:54.545 align:middle line:84%
NORVIN W. RICHARDS:
And did she--

00:25:54.545 --> 00:25:55.850 align:middle line:84%
she survived to
adulthood, didn't she?

00:25:55.850 --> 00:25:56.480 align:middle line:90%
She's OK.

00:25:56.480 --> 00:25:56.645 align:middle line:90%
AUDIENCE: Yeah.

00:25:56.645 --> 00:25:56.810 align:middle line:90%
NORVIN W. RICHARDS: Yes.

00:25:56.810 --> 00:25:57.080 align:middle line:90%
OK.

00:25:57.080 --> 00:25:57.440 align:middle line:90%
Cool.

00:25:57.440 --> 00:25:58.370 align:middle line:90%
AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

00:25:58.370 --> 00:26:01.037 align:middle line:84%
NORVIN W. RICHARDS: And did
anybody grow up saying Coke

00:26:01.037 --> 00:26:02.120 align:middle line:90%
for these kinds of things?

00:26:02.120 --> 00:26:02.330 align:middle line:90%
AUDIENCE: Yeah.

00:26:02.330 --> 00:26:03.890 align:middle line:84%
NORVIN W. RICHARDS:
Oh, well, yeah, Peter

00:26:03.890 --> 00:26:05.060 align:middle line:90%
did because Peter is like me.

00:26:05.060 --> 00:26:05.600 align:middle line:90%
He's from the South.

00:26:05.600 --> 00:26:06.290 align:middle line:90%
Where are you from?

00:26:06.290 --> 00:26:07.220 align:middle line:90%
AUDIENCE: Mississippi.

00:26:07.220 --> 00:26:07.560 align:middle line:90%
NORVIN W. RICHARDS: Yeah.

00:26:07.560 --> 00:26:08.150 align:middle line:90%
OK.

00:26:08.150 --> 00:26:11.810 align:middle line:90%
So Southerners-- represent.

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So in my version of English--
the version of English

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I grew up with, "Coke"
was the default name

00:26:16.970 --> 00:26:17.970 align:middle line:90%
for all of these things.

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It's kind of like "Xerox" for
a copying machine or whatever.

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So people would ask questions
like, "Would you like a Coke?"

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And if the answer was, "yes,"
the next question was, "OK.

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So would you like
Sprite or Mountain Dew?

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Because that's what we've got."

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So "Coke" is just
the default word

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for these kinds of beverages.

00:26:34.760 --> 00:26:37.700 align:middle line:90%


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Or-- and this is a place--
another place where languages

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or dialects of English vary
a lot with each other--

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English used to have a
distinction between singular

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"you," which was
pronounced "thou,"

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and plural "you," which
was pronounced "you."

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And the plural "you" was
also used for formal.

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And then it kind of took over.

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So it got used both for
singular and plural.

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And modern standard English--
the version of English that

00:27:05.600 --> 00:27:07.010 align:middle line:90%
I'm currently speaking--

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doesn't distinguish "you"
singular and "you" plural.

00:27:10.160 --> 00:27:12.170 align:middle line:84%
But it's handy being
able to distinguish "you"

00:27:12.170 --> 00:27:13.910 align:middle line:90%
singular and "you" plural.

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And so various
dialects of English

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have come up with
solutions for this.

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I come from the "y'all"
part of the country.

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I used "y'all" until
I came up here,

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and then I was mocked
into coming up with other

00:27:26.030 --> 00:27:26.810 align:middle line:90%
expressions.

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I seem to have fallen
into "you guys"

00:27:29.090 --> 00:27:31.610 align:middle line:84%
as the plural of
you, which I wish

00:27:31.610 --> 00:27:33.680 align:middle line:84%
I didn't have because
"you guys" I think

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of as being markedly masculine.

00:27:36.450 --> 00:27:38.060 align:middle line:90%
So I need to--

00:27:38.060 --> 00:27:41.000 align:middle line:84%
I don't know-- embark on
a series of self-hypnosis

00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:43.670 align:middle line:84%
sessions or something like that
and get myself back to using

00:27:43.670 --> 00:27:45.140 align:middle line:90%
"y'all."

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And then, there is,
again, an area--

00:27:47.807 --> 00:27:49.640 align:middle line:84%
I think around Pittsburgh--
where people say

00:27:49.640 --> 00:27:51.970 align:middle line:84%
"y'unz" as the-- or "you'ns"
as the plural of you.

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Did anybody here grow up with
an interesting plural for you?

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Yeah?

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AUDIENCE: Yeah.

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So, basically, when
I lived in Minnesota,

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I grew up in a very small
town with a very, very

00:27:59.330 --> 00:28:02.183 align:middle line:84%
high Dutch population where
a lot of people said "yous".

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NORVIN W. RICHARDS: "Yous"--

00:28:03.350 --> 00:28:03.770 align:middle line:90%
oh, yeah.

00:28:03.770 --> 00:28:04.820 align:middle line:90%
I left "yous" out of here.

00:28:04.820 --> 00:28:06.070 align:middle line:90%
Yeah, you're absolutely right.

00:28:06.070 --> 00:28:08.420 align:middle line:84%
So "yous" is absolutely
another option.

00:28:08.420 --> 00:28:11.380 align:middle line:84%
Anybody else have
another option?

00:28:11.380 --> 00:28:13.880 align:middle line:84%
"Y'all"-- I think "y'all" is
still markedly Southern, right?

00:28:13.880 --> 00:28:16.340 align:middle line:84%
If I were to say, "y'all,"
people would think of me

00:28:16.340 --> 00:28:19.380 align:middle line:84%
as being from
Alabama, which I am.

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Raquel?

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AUDIENCE: I've heard
my mom and my uncle,

00:28:23.340 --> 00:28:26.790 align:middle line:84%
who are both from
Pittsburgh, saying "yenses"

00:28:26.790 --> 00:28:27.850 align:middle line:90%
but like as a joke.

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NORVIN W. RICHARDS: "Yenses?"

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AUDIENCE: I don't know
if it's because they

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have heard people say "yenses."

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NORVIN W. RICHARDS: Wow.

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AUDIENCE: It might have just
been like a possessive thing,

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like "Yenses family
is here" or something.

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NORVIN W. RICHARDS: Oh, oh, OK.

00:28:36.450 --> 00:28:36.770 align:middle line:90%
Yes.

00:28:36.770 --> 00:28:38.100 align:middle line:84%
That I could kind
of get a handle on.

00:28:38.100 --> 00:28:39.767 align:middle line:84%
I thought of the
plural as being "yens,"

00:28:39.767 --> 00:28:41.425 align:middle line:90%
but maybe there's also "yenses."

00:28:41.425 --> 00:28:43.050 align:middle line:84%
This is a thing that
happens, actually,

00:28:43.050 --> 00:28:44.670 align:middle line:84%
that something that
was already plural

00:28:44.670 --> 00:28:46.980 align:middle line:90%
gets marked plural again.

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This is the story of "children,"
which plural of "child"

00:28:52.260 --> 00:28:54.600 align:middle line:90%
used to be "childer."

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And then "-er" became a very
uncommon-- in fact, "childer"

00:28:58.080 --> 00:29:00.360 align:middle line:84%
was the only noun that
had "-er" for it's plural.

00:29:00.360 --> 00:29:03.500 align:middle line:84%
And so people just added
another plural at the end

00:29:03.500 --> 00:29:05.820 align:middle line:90%
that you get in "oxen."

00:29:05.820 --> 00:29:08.925 align:middle line:90%
And so now it's like "childses."

00:29:08.925 --> 00:29:09.870 align:middle line:90%
That's children.

00:29:09.870 --> 00:29:11.370 align:middle line:84%
That's our modern
word for "child."

00:29:11.370 --> 00:29:13.510 align:middle line:84%
So the German plural
for child, "Kinder,"

00:29:13.510 --> 00:29:18.660 align:middle line:84%
still has that "-er"-- that
"er" suffix, [? single. ?]

00:29:18.660 --> 00:29:22.530 align:middle line:84%
So big surprise-- there are
different dialects of English.

00:29:22.530 --> 00:29:25.065 align:middle line:84%
There are different dialects
of lots of different languages.

00:29:25.065 --> 00:29:29.050 align:middle line:84%
I'm bringing this up for
a variety of reasons.

00:29:29.050 --> 00:29:32.040 align:middle line:84%
One is that there's a model that
you get exposed to-- at least

00:29:32.040 --> 00:29:37.920 align:middle line:84%
in school, at least I was; let's
see whether all of you were--

00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:41.610 align:middle line:84%
in which, well, there are
different dialects of English,

00:29:41.610 --> 00:29:43.740 align:middle line:84%
but there's a correct
version of English.

00:29:43.740 --> 00:29:45.630 align:middle line:84%
And then there are
failures to speak

00:29:45.630 --> 00:29:47.010 align:middle line:90%
the correct version of English.

00:29:47.010 --> 00:29:50.860 align:middle line:84%
Like, that's the picture you're
given in English classes.

00:29:50.860 --> 00:29:53.190 align:middle line:84%
So you're given assignments
like the one I was just

00:29:53.190 --> 00:29:54.690 align:middle line:84%
talking about for
my son, where it's

00:29:54.690 --> 00:29:57.282 align:middle line:84%
like, fix the problems
in these sentences.

00:29:57.282 --> 00:29:58.740 align:middle line:84%
And some of the
problems are things

00:29:58.740 --> 00:30:00.210 align:middle line:84%
like, oh, this person
apparently speaks

00:30:00.210 --> 00:30:01.502 align:middle line:90%
a different dialect of English.

00:30:01.502 --> 00:30:02.518 align:middle line:90%
We can't have that.

00:30:02.518 --> 00:30:03.060 align:middle line:90%
That's wrong.

00:30:03.060 --> 00:30:05.070 align:middle line:90%
We've got to fix that.

00:30:05.070 --> 00:30:08.640 align:middle line:84%
Is that the picture of
English that you guys grew up

00:30:08.640 --> 00:30:11.020 align:middle line:90%
with as well?

00:30:11.020 --> 00:30:14.970 align:middle line:84%
And so just to be clear, I mean,
if we were going to figure out

00:30:14.970 --> 00:30:23.310 align:middle line:84%
what counts as English,
these descriptions

00:30:23.310 --> 00:30:25.260 align:middle line:84%
are things that
people talk about.

00:30:25.260 --> 00:30:28.110 align:middle line:84%
Maybe-- and so from
your reactions,

00:30:28.110 --> 00:30:30.180 align:middle line:84%
I think maybe nobody
had exposed most of you

00:30:30.180 --> 00:30:31.350 align:middle line:90%
to positive "anymore."

00:30:31.350 --> 00:30:34.108 align:middle line:84%
So don't say you didn't
learn anything in this class.

00:30:34.108 --> 00:30:35.400 align:middle line:90%
Positive "anymore"-- it exists.

00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:38.040 align:middle line:90%
It's a thing.

00:30:38.040 --> 00:30:39.540 align:middle line:84%
But these kinds of
things are things

00:30:39.540 --> 00:30:41.040 align:middle line:84%
that people talk
about-- about there

00:30:41.040 --> 00:30:42.780 align:middle line:90%
being variations in English.

00:30:42.780 --> 00:30:45.700 align:middle line:84%
And people's reactions
to these variations vary.

00:30:45.700 --> 00:30:50.190 align:middle line:84%
So I think, probably, I
never got an assignment

00:30:50.190 --> 00:30:55.050 align:middle line:84%
in English class growing up in
Alabama in which somebody said,

00:30:55.050 --> 00:30:58.110 align:middle line:84%
fix the problem with this
sentence, and the problem was,

00:30:58.110 --> 00:30:59.250 align:middle line:90%
"Would you like a Coke?"

00:30:59.250 --> 00:31:02.700 align:middle line:90%
"Yes, I'd like a Sprite."

00:31:02.700 --> 00:31:04.420 align:middle line:90%
Nobody said, oh, this is wrong.

00:31:04.420 --> 00:31:07.770 align:middle line:84%
You should change 'Coke'
to 'soda' or 'pop.'"

00:31:07.770 --> 00:31:09.900 align:middle line:84%
When I was growing
up in Alabama,

00:31:09.900 --> 00:31:12.180 align:middle line:84%
when we wanted to mock
people from the North--

00:31:12.180 --> 00:31:14.580 align:middle line:84%
and it was a thing
we did sometimes--

00:31:14.580 --> 00:31:17.160 align:middle line:84%
we would use words
like "pop" and "soda."

00:31:17.160 --> 00:31:21.378 align:middle line:84%
We thought that was funny
that y'all talked this way.

00:31:21.378 --> 00:31:22.548 align:middle line:90%
[COUGH] Excuse me.

00:31:22.548 --> 00:31:24.840 align:middle line:84%
So there are some of these
kinds of things that are not

00:31:24.840 --> 00:31:28.800 align:middle line:84%
the subject of
deliberate repression

00:31:28.800 --> 00:31:30.610 align:middle line:90%
by the educational system.

00:31:30.610 --> 00:31:33.000 align:middle line:84%
But there are others that
are, like negative concord.

00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:35.125 align:middle line:84%
So there are dialects of
English that have negative

00:31:35.125 --> 00:31:37.860 align:middle line:84%
concord-- a dialect of
English in which you say,

00:31:37.860 --> 00:31:39.840 align:middle line:90%
"I didn't see nothing."

00:31:39.840 --> 00:31:41.490 align:middle line:90%
"I haven't done nothing."

00:31:41.490 --> 00:31:47.520 align:middle line:84%
And those dialects are
the subject of deliberate

00:31:47.520 --> 00:31:48.810 align:middle line:90%
repression by teachers.

00:31:48.810 --> 00:31:52.870 align:middle line:84%
So teachers attempt to
stop you from doing that.

00:31:52.870 --> 00:31:57.270 align:middle line:84%
And if you've ever
heard speakers of--

00:31:57.270 --> 00:32:00.240 align:middle line:84%
I have some websites coming
up on the next slide.

00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:04.560 align:middle line:84%
I'll put these links
up on the website.

00:32:04.560 --> 00:32:07.680 align:middle line:84%
There are people
who self-describe

00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:10.740 align:middle line:84%
as speakers of English who
I, at least, have a very

00:32:10.740 --> 00:32:12.030 align:middle line:90%
difficult time understanding.

00:32:12.030 --> 00:32:13.650 align:middle line:84%
So one of the
websites I'll show you

00:32:13.650 --> 00:32:16.620 align:middle line:90%
is to the Scots Dialect Atlas.

00:32:16.620 --> 00:32:19.320 align:middle line:84%
There's this wonderful
group of linguists

00:32:19.320 --> 00:32:22.170 align:middle line:84%
who are going around
various parts of Scotland

00:32:22.170 --> 00:32:25.290 align:middle line:84%
chronicling different
aspects of regional speech

00:32:25.290 --> 00:32:26.550 align:middle line:90%
in various places.

00:32:26.550 --> 00:32:29.970 align:middle line:84%
And these people are not
speaking a Celtic language.

00:32:29.970 --> 00:32:31.590 align:middle line:90%
They're not speaking Gaelic.

00:32:31.590 --> 00:32:33.990 align:middle line:84%
They would describe themselves
as speaking English.

00:32:33.990 --> 00:32:37.080 align:middle line:84%
But, boy, you can't
tell [LAUGHS] listening

00:32:37.080 --> 00:32:40.230 align:middle line:90%
to some of these recordings.

00:32:40.230 --> 00:32:41.250 align:middle line:90%
It's very opaque.

00:32:41.250 --> 00:32:45.000 align:middle line:90%
When we-- I had a--

00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:46.680 align:middle line:84%
when I was in grad
school, there was

00:32:46.680 --> 00:32:49.740 align:middle line:90%
a guy in the class above my--

00:32:49.740 --> 00:32:52.240 align:middle line:84%
a really excellent linguist
named Andrew Carnie,

00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:55.110 align:middle line:84%
who's now teaching at
University of Arizona.

00:32:55.110 --> 00:32:58.020 align:middle line:84%
And he grew up in Canada, but
his parents were Scottish.

00:32:58.020 --> 00:33:00.210 align:middle line:84%
And they came down
when he graduated.

00:33:00.210 --> 00:33:02.130 align:middle line:84%
And I was sitting
around with them

00:33:02.130 --> 00:33:03.450 align:middle line:90%
attempting to make small talk.

00:33:03.450 --> 00:33:06.300 align:middle line:84%
And I could just barely
understand his mother.

00:33:06.300 --> 00:33:08.333 align:middle line:84%
But his father could have
been speaking Hebrew.

00:33:08.333 --> 00:33:09.000 align:middle line:90%
I mean, I just--

00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:10.080 align:middle line:90%
I had no idea.

00:33:10.080 --> 00:33:13.390 align:middle line:84%
And I can remember doing a
lot of nodding and smiling.

00:33:13.390 --> 00:33:14.820 align:middle line:90%
It was just opaque.

00:33:14.820 --> 00:33:16.350 align:middle line:84%
I couldn't understand
this at all.

00:33:16.350 --> 00:33:17.892 align:middle line:84%
But this is a guy
who would have said

00:33:17.892 --> 00:33:19.560 align:middle line:90%
that he was speaking English.

00:33:19.560 --> 00:33:24.090 align:middle line:84%
So-- yeah, and so here
are some websites--

00:33:24.090 --> 00:33:30.570 align:middle line:84%
one to a group at Yale that's
doing a study of dialect

00:33:30.570 --> 00:33:31.680 align:middle line:90%
variation within English.

00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:34.710 align:middle line:84%
And this other is the
Scots Syntax Atlas.

00:33:34.710 --> 00:33:38.350 align:middle line:84%
I'll put links to both
of these up in the chat.

00:33:38.350 --> 00:33:40.860 align:middle line:84%
So, I've been
talking about English

00:33:40.860 --> 00:33:42.450 align:middle line:90%
because here we are in America.

00:33:42.450 --> 00:33:45.600 align:middle line:84%
And I had this metaphor
and everything.

00:33:45.600 --> 00:33:48.005 align:middle line:84%
But this is a pretty
common phenomenon.

00:33:48.005 --> 00:33:49.380 align:middle line:84%
There are lots of
languages where

00:33:49.380 --> 00:33:51.690 align:middle line:84%
there is regional variation
in the way that language is

00:33:51.690 --> 00:33:52.830 align:middle line:90%
spoken.

00:33:52.830 --> 00:33:56.790 align:middle line:84%
And what we do in
America about this--

00:33:56.790 --> 00:34:00.090 align:middle line:84%
where you fixate on
particular properties

00:34:00.090 --> 00:34:03.010 align:middle line:84%
of particular dialects and
attempt to wipe them out,

00:34:03.010 --> 00:34:05.280 align:middle line:90%
things like negative concord--

00:34:05.280 --> 00:34:07.920 align:middle line:84%
attempt, I should say,
completely unsuccessfully.

00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:09.690 align:middle line:84%
So negative concord
has been around

00:34:09.690 --> 00:34:11.280 align:middle line:90%
in English for centuries.

00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:12.400 align:middle line:90%
It's still around.

00:34:12.400 --> 00:34:14.790 align:middle line:84%
It's not clear that
English teachers have ever

00:34:14.790 --> 00:34:16.080 align:middle line:90%
had any effect on it.

00:34:16.080 --> 00:34:18.090 align:middle line:90%
But they have succeeded in--

00:34:18.090 --> 00:34:20.310 align:middle line:84%
probably not just them, and
society kind of generally

00:34:20.310 --> 00:34:22.560 align:middle line:84%
have succeeded in making
negative concord stigmatized.

00:34:22.560 --> 00:34:26.159 align:middle line:84%
So we're all taught that
negative concord is illogical.

00:34:26.159 --> 00:34:28.110 align:middle line:90%
Two negations make a positive.

00:34:28.110 --> 00:34:31.510 align:middle line:84%
Is that something you were
all taught at some point?

00:34:31.510 --> 00:34:35.250 align:middle line:84%
So the next time someone
tells you that negative--

00:34:35.250 --> 00:34:37.620 align:middle line:84%
if you ever In casual
conversation have somebody tell

00:34:37.620 --> 00:34:40.037 align:middle line:84%
you that negative concord is
illogical and that people who

00:34:40.037 --> 00:34:42.719 align:middle line:84%
say, "I didn't see nothing,"
they just can't think

00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:44.370 align:middle line:90%
straight-- they're not logical--

00:34:44.370 --> 00:34:46.590 align:middle line:84%
you should point them to
Ukrainian and Italian.

00:34:46.590 --> 00:34:48.320 align:middle line:84%
There are plenty of
languages out there

00:34:48.320 --> 00:34:50.340 align:middle line:90%
where this is what you do.

00:34:50.340 --> 00:34:54.980 align:middle line:84%
It's just that there's a dialect
of English that's like them.

00:34:54.980 --> 00:34:57.920 align:middle line:84%
So-- but this is a
question that comes up

00:34:57.920 --> 00:35:02.030 align:middle line:84%
when people are doing things
like trying to count languages,

00:35:02.030 --> 00:35:02.790 align:middle line:90%
for example.

00:35:02.790 --> 00:35:04.165 align:middle line:84%
so if you're trying
to figure out

00:35:04.165 --> 00:35:06.530 align:middle line:84%
how many languages are
spoken in the world,

00:35:06.530 --> 00:35:09.140 align:middle line:84%
or if you're trying to make
policy decisions about how

00:35:09.140 --> 00:35:11.120 align:middle line:84%
many languages are
spoken in the country,

00:35:11.120 --> 00:35:14.570 align:middle line:84%
or how many languages a
government document ought

00:35:14.570 --> 00:35:16.490 align:middle line:84%
to be translated
into, for example,

00:35:16.490 --> 00:35:20.600 align:middle line:84%
you have to make decisions about
how many languages there are--

00:35:20.600 --> 00:35:22.880 align:middle line:90%
where to draw lines.

00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:24.350 align:middle line:90%
What counts as English?

00:35:24.350 --> 00:35:25.910 align:middle line:84%
What counts as
Japanese or German?

00:35:25.910 --> 00:35:28.160 align:middle line:84%
How do you know if two people
speak the same language?

00:35:28.160 --> 00:35:30.350 align:middle line:90%


00:35:30.350 --> 00:35:31.100 align:middle line:90%
What do you think?

00:35:31.100 --> 00:35:32.870 align:middle line:84%
What's the answer
to that question?

00:35:32.870 --> 00:35:33.800 align:middle line:90%
What should we do?

00:35:33.800 --> 00:35:37.830 align:middle line:90%


00:35:37.830 --> 00:35:39.607 align:middle line:84%
Are people clear on
what the question is?

00:35:39.607 --> 00:35:41.940 align:middle line:84%
So what's-- how do you decide
if two people are speaking

00:35:41.940 --> 00:35:43.670 align:middle line:90%
the same language or not?

00:35:43.670 --> 00:35:44.610 align:middle line:90%
Yeah?

00:35:44.610 --> 00:35:48.280 align:middle line:84%
AUDIENCE: My first guess
is if two speakers--

00:35:48.280 --> 00:35:51.010 align:middle line:84%
if it's mutually intelligible,
if one can understand

00:35:51.010 --> 00:35:54.033 align:middle line:84%
the other when they
talk and vice versa,

00:35:54.033 --> 00:35:55.450 align:middle line:84%
then they speak
the same language.

00:35:55.450 --> 00:35:57.283 align:middle line:84%
NORVIN W. RICHARDS:
That's a popular answer.

00:35:57.283 --> 00:35:58.570 align:middle line:90%
Are there-- yeah?

00:35:58.570 --> 00:36:02.500 align:middle line:84%
AUDIENCE: As a counter argument,
I had a friend in middle school

00:36:02.500 --> 00:36:05.680 align:middle line:84%
who I spoke German too, and
he spoke Italian back to me.

00:36:05.680 --> 00:36:07.180 align:middle line:84%
And I knew a little
bit of Spanish,

00:36:07.180 --> 00:36:10.290 align:middle line:84%
and he knew a little bit
of Polish or something,

00:36:10.290 --> 00:36:12.040 align:middle line:84%
so we could kind of
understand each other.

00:36:12.040 --> 00:36:12.495 align:middle line:90%
NORVIN W. RICHARDS: Mm-hmm.

00:36:12.495 --> 00:36:13.289 align:middle line:84%
AUDIENCE: [? Even ?]
[? though ?] [? it ?]

00:36:13.289 --> 00:36:13.860 align:middle line:84%
[? wasn't ?] in
the same language.

00:36:13.860 --> 00:36:14.860 align:middle line:90%
NORVIN W. RICHARDS: Yes.

00:36:14.860 --> 00:36:15.480 align:middle line:90%
[LAUGHTER]

00:36:15.480 --> 00:36:17.025 align:middle line:90%
That is an awesome story.

00:36:17.025 --> 00:36:18.030 align:middle line:90%
[LAUGHS] Yes?

00:36:18.030 --> 00:36:18.840 align:middle line:90%
AUDIENCE: Yeah.

00:36:18.840 --> 00:36:20.940 align:middle line:84%
If I run into someone
who speaks Portuguese,

00:36:20.940 --> 00:36:23.140 align:middle line:84%
I can get a sense of
what they're saying.

00:36:23.140 --> 00:36:25.540 align:middle line:84%
I don't speak Portuguese,
but I do speak Spanish.

00:36:25.540 --> 00:36:26.040 align:middle line:90%
NORVIN W. RICHARDS: Mm-hmm.

00:36:26.040 --> 00:36:26.800 align:middle line:90%
Yeah.

00:36:26.800 --> 00:36:29.590 align:middle line:84%
So this is-- I was going to use
Spanish and Portuguese in just

00:36:29.590 --> 00:36:30.140 align:middle line:90%
a second.

00:36:30.140 --> 00:36:33.280 align:middle line:84%
What I had heard about
Spanish and Portuguese was--

00:36:33.280 --> 00:36:35.110 align:middle line:84%
and I heard this from
Portuguese speakers,

00:36:35.110 --> 00:36:36.700 align:middle line:84%
so I don't know
whether it's true.

00:36:36.700 --> 00:36:39.160 align:middle line:84%
Portuguese speakers believe
that Portuguese speakers

00:36:39.160 --> 00:36:41.080 align:middle line:84%
are better at
understanding Spanish

00:36:41.080 --> 00:36:43.930 align:middle line:84%
than Spanish speakers are
at understanding Portuguese.

00:36:43.930 --> 00:36:45.550 align:middle line:84%
I don't know if
this is true or not.

00:36:45.550 --> 00:36:46.050 align:middle line:90%
Raquel?

00:36:46.050 --> 00:36:49.840 align:middle line:84%
AUDIENCE: My native speaker
is a speaker of Portuguese.

00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:51.248 align:middle line:84%
And she said that,
like, exactly.

00:36:51.248 --> 00:36:52.540 align:middle line:90%
NORVIN W. RICHARDS: Yeah, yeah.

00:36:52.540 --> 00:36:54.582 align:middle line:84%
That's the kind of thing
Portuguese speakers say.

00:36:54.582 --> 00:36:57.310 align:middle line:84%
There are all kinds of
reasons that it could be true.

00:36:57.310 --> 00:37:00.100 align:middle line:84%
Portuguese has undergone
various sound changes

00:37:00.100 --> 00:37:05.710 align:middle line:84%
that have eliminated sounds
that are present in Spanish.

00:37:05.710 --> 00:37:07.497 align:middle line:84%
So I can-- I don't
know very much

00:37:07.497 --> 00:37:08.830 align:middle line:90%
about either of these languages.

00:37:08.830 --> 00:37:15.160 align:middle line:84%
But for example, the Spanish
word for "hot" is "caliente."

00:37:15.160 --> 00:37:17.140 align:middle line:84%
And the Portuguese
word for that--

00:37:17.140 --> 00:37:18.610 align:middle line:90%
I'll spell it in IPA.

00:37:18.610 --> 00:37:22.250 align:middle line:84%
It's something
like [PORTUGUESE]..

00:37:22.250 --> 00:37:26.440 align:middle line:84%
So that's Brazilian
Portuguese for "hot."

00:37:26.440 --> 00:37:28.480 align:middle line:84%
And what's happened
is, first of all,

00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:32.050 align:middle line:84%
the A has palatalized the
T, so it's become a "chuh,"

00:37:32.050 --> 00:37:36.640 align:middle line:84%
and you've also lost the final
E. So T has become "chuh."

00:37:36.640 --> 00:37:39.400 align:middle line:90%
And the final E is gone.

00:37:39.400 --> 00:37:41.253 align:middle line:90%
And the intervocalic L is gone.

00:37:41.253 --> 00:37:42.670 align:middle line:84%
That's another
thing that happened

00:37:42.670 --> 00:37:45.400 align:middle line:84%
in the course of the
evolution of Portuguese.

00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:48.800 align:middle line:84%
So-- and then some other fancy
things happened to the vowels.

00:37:48.800 --> 00:37:51.220 align:middle line:84%
So we ended up from
"caliente" to [PORTUGUESE]..

00:37:51.220 --> 00:37:53.620 align:middle line:84%
Actually, Portuguese isn't
descended from Spanish.

00:37:53.620 --> 00:37:55.370 align:middle line:90%
These are both from Latin--

00:37:55.370 --> 00:37:55.870 align:middle line:90%
"calentem."

00:37:55.870 --> 00:37:58.947 align:middle line:90%


00:37:58.947 --> 00:38:01.030 align:middle line:84%
And then like that, it
became both of these forms.

00:38:01.030 --> 00:38:02.680 align:middle line:84%
Spanish was much
more conservative.

00:38:02.680 --> 00:38:04.460 align:middle line:84%
And Portuguese has
done a lot of things

00:38:04.460 --> 00:38:06.190 align:middle line:84%
including getting
rid of sounds that

00:38:06.190 --> 00:38:08.860 align:middle line:90%
are still present in Spanish.

00:38:08.860 --> 00:38:14.805 align:middle line:84%
And it's probably easier to
ignore sounds that are there--

00:38:14.805 --> 00:38:16.180 align:middle line:84%
which is what
Portuguese speakers

00:38:16.180 --> 00:38:19.690 align:middle line:84%
have to do if they want
to understand Spanish--

00:38:19.690 --> 00:38:23.500 align:middle line:84%
than it is to figure out what
sounds would have been there

00:38:23.500 --> 00:38:25.990 align:middle line:84%
if they were not gone, which
is what Spanish speakers

00:38:25.990 --> 00:38:28.000 align:middle line:84%
have to do when they're trying
to understand Portuguese.

00:38:28.000 --> 00:38:29.958 align:middle line:84%
That's one theory anyway
about what's going on.

00:38:29.958 --> 00:38:34.300 align:middle line:84%
Another is just that there
are more situations in which

00:38:34.300 --> 00:38:36.670 align:middle line:84%
Portuguese speakers need
to understand Spanish

00:38:36.670 --> 00:38:39.160 align:middle line:84%
than there are situations in
which Spanish speakers need

00:38:39.160 --> 00:38:40.300 align:middle line:90%
to understand Portuguese.

00:38:40.300 --> 00:38:40.877 align:middle line:90%
Yeah.

00:38:40.877 --> 00:38:42.460 align:middle line:84%
So that's the kind
of thing that may--

00:38:42.460 --> 00:38:44.860 align:middle line:84%
I don't want to pick on
Kateryna's proposal, which

00:38:44.860 --> 00:38:46.210 align:middle line:90%
is a popular proposal.

00:38:46.210 --> 00:38:48.068 align:middle line:84%
It's about mutual
intelligibility.

00:38:48.068 --> 00:38:50.110 align:middle line:84%
But there are places where
the intelligibility is

00:38:50.110 --> 00:38:54.310 align:middle line:84%
kind of one way, or
where, in fact, people

00:38:54.310 --> 00:38:56.050 align:middle line:84%
who don't understand--
don't have

00:38:56.050 --> 00:38:58.270 align:middle line:84%
a common language can
speak to each other

00:38:58.270 --> 00:39:00.550 align:middle line:84%
through the magic of
interpretive dance.

00:39:00.550 --> 00:39:01.630 align:middle line:90%
Yeah.

00:39:01.630 --> 00:39:02.710 align:middle line:90%
Yeah.

00:39:02.710 --> 00:39:04.990 align:middle line:90%
That's a thing that happens.

00:39:04.990 --> 00:39:08.150 align:middle line:84%
There are other bunch
of examples here.

00:39:08.150 --> 00:39:13.270 align:middle line:84%
There's a popular linguist's
response to that question--

00:39:13.270 --> 00:39:15.460 align:middle line:84%
how do you know when you're
looking at two languages

00:39:15.460 --> 00:39:16.510 align:middle line:90%
as opposed to--

00:39:16.510 --> 00:39:19.180 align:middle line:84%
it's often phrased as,
what two things count

00:39:19.180 --> 00:39:21.340 align:middle line:84%
as two languages as
opposed to two dialects

00:39:21.340 --> 00:39:23.320 align:middle line:90%
of a single language?

00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:26.680 align:middle line:84%
And there's a popular linguistic
response to that which says,

00:39:26.680 --> 00:39:29.140 align:middle line:84%
you should really try to
stop asking that question.

00:39:29.140 --> 00:39:32.300 align:middle line:90%


00:39:32.300 --> 00:39:35.170 align:middle line:84%
So here are two
classic statements

00:39:35.170 --> 00:39:36.770 align:middle line:90%
from linguists about that.

00:39:36.770 --> 00:39:42.520 align:middle line:84%
One of them is by the great
Yiddish scholar, Max Weinreich,

00:39:42.520 --> 00:39:43.690 align:middle line:90%
who said--

00:39:43.690 --> 00:39:45.130 align:middle line:90%
he said it in Yiddish.

00:39:45.130 --> 00:39:47.880 align:middle line:84%
"A shprakh iz a dyalekt
mit an armey un flot,"

00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:51.370 align:middle line:84%
"A language is a dialect
with an army and a navy."

00:39:51.370 --> 00:39:55.390 align:middle line:84%
So what he meant was we
don't draw distinctions

00:39:55.390 --> 00:39:58.510 align:middle line:84%
like is this a language
or a dialect on the basis

00:39:58.510 --> 00:39:59.590 align:middle line:90%
of anything linguistic.

00:39:59.590 --> 00:40:01.798 align:middle line:84%
It's not about how different
they are linguistically.

00:40:01.798 --> 00:40:06.340 align:middle line:84%
It's about political power,
whether they are spoken

00:40:06.340 --> 00:40:09.620 align:middle line:90%
in different countries or not.

00:40:09.620 --> 00:40:12.740 align:middle line:84%
So lots of kinds of cases,
including the Portuguese,

00:40:12.740 --> 00:40:15.970 align:middle line:84%
Spanish example that
we talked about before.

00:40:15.970 --> 00:40:18.220 align:middle line:90%
Danish, Norwegian, and Swedish--

00:40:18.220 --> 00:40:20.917 align:middle line:84%
anybody speak any
of those languages?

00:40:20.917 --> 00:40:22.000 align:middle line:90%
So I'm not making this up.

00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:23.770 align:middle line:90%
I promise.

00:40:23.770 --> 00:40:26.980 align:middle line:90%
I was once on--

00:40:26.980 --> 00:40:28.750 align:middle line:84%
I was in Norway flying
to a conference.

00:40:28.750 --> 00:40:31.510 align:middle line:84%
I was flying from Southern
Norway up to Northern Norway

00:40:31.510 --> 00:40:32.530 align:middle line:90%
up to Tromso.

00:40:32.530 --> 00:40:35.320 align:middle line:84%
I was sitting next to
a Norwegian linguist.

00:40:35.320 --> 00:40:38.560 align:middle line:84%
And we were flying
Norwegian Air.

00:40:38.560 --> 00:40:41.740 align:middle line:84%
And various people were making
announcements over the--

00:40:41.740 --> 00:40:44.530 align:middle line:84%
so the captain came on and made
an announcement in Norwegian.

00:40:44.530 --> 00:40:48.130 align:middle line:84%
A plane full of Norwegians--
all of them are understanding.

00:40:48.130 --> 00:40:51.788 align:middle line:84%
The copilot came on and made
an announcement in Norwegian.

00:40:51.788 --> 00:40:53.080 align:middle line:90%
And then somebody else came on.

00:40:53.080 --> 00:40:54.880 align:middle line:84%
And I forget-- the purser or
something came on and made

00:40:54.880 --> 00:40:55.510 align:middle line:90%
an announcement.

00:40:55.510 --> 00:40:57.718 align:middle line:84%
And the Norwegian linguist
who was sitting next to me

00:40:57.718 --> 00:40:59.920 align:middle line:90%
said, "He's speaking Danish."

00:40:59.920 --> 00:41:02.990 align:middle line:84%
Because there's no reason
not to, apparently.

00:41:02.990 --> 00:41:05.200 align:middle line:84%
If you're speaking Danish
to a bunch of Norwegians

00:41:05.200 --> 00:41:07.585 align:middle line:84%
on Norwegian Air, ah,
they'll figure it out.

00:41:07.585 --> 00:41:09.016 align:middle line:90%
AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

00:41:09.016 --> 00:41:11.710 align:middle line:84%
NORVIN W. RICHARDS: So we
call them Norwegian and Danish

00:41:11.710 --> 00:41:14.840 align:middle line:84%
because they're spoken
in Norway and Denmark.

00:41:14.840 --> 00:41:16.690 align:middle line:84%
And they are different
from each other.

00:41:16.690 --> 00:41:18.400 align:middle line:84%
Actually, Danish
is more different

00:41:18.400 --> 00:41:21.280 align:middle line:84%
from Norwegian and Swedish
than Norwegian and Swedish

00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:22.130 align:middle line:90%
are from each other.

00:41:22.130 --> 00:41:24.940 align:middle line:84%
Norwegian and Swedish are
quite similar in lots of ways.

00:41:24.940 --> 00:41:26.720 align:middle line:84%
Danish is a little
bit different.

00:41:26.720 --> 00:41:30.603 align:middle line:84%
But, as I say, close enough
that on Norwegian Air,

00:41:30.603 --> 00:41:32.020 align:middle line:84%
you can announce
things in Danish.

00:41:32.020 --> 00:41:34.420 align:middle line:84%
It probably helps that if
you're announcing something

00:41:34.420 --> 00:41:36.100 align:middle line:84%
on a plane, probably
the passengers

00:41:36.100 --> 00:41:39.310 align:middle line:84%
know what you're saying,
usually, unless there's

00:41:39.310 --> 00:41:41.670 align:middle line:90%
something unusual happening.

00:41:41.670 --> 00:41:43.420 align:middle line:84%
There are examples of
the other kind, too.

00:41:43.420 --> 00:41:46.150 align:middle line:84%
I've got Mandarin and
Cantonese up here.

00:41:46.150 --> 00:41:47.350 align:middle line:90%
I encounter this a lot.

00:41:47.350 --> 00:41:49.270 align:middle line:84%
I work on Tagalog
sometimes, which

00:41:49.270 --> 00:41:51.620 align:middle line:84%
is a language spoken
in the Philippines.

00:41:51.620 --> 00:41:55.270 align:middle line:84%
The Philippines is a country
with many, many languages--

00:41:55.270 --> 00:41:58.120 align:middle line:84%
lots and lots of
related languages.

00:41:58.120 --> 00:42:01.580 align:middle line:84%
But they are very different
from each other in lots of ways.

00:42:01.580 --> 00:42:04.600 align:middle line:84%
So I speak Tagalog, which is the
language spoken around Manila.

00:42:04.600 --> 00:42:08.530 align:middle line:84%
If I'm listening to somebody
speaking Cebuano, or Ilocano,

00:42:08.530 --> 00:42:11.050 align:middle line:84%
or Hiligaynon, or any of a
zillion other languages that

00:42:11.050 --> 00:42:13.383 align:middle line:84%
are spoken in the Philippines,
I cannot understand them.

00:42:13.383 --> 00:42:14.980 align:middle line:84%
I mean, they're at
least as different

00:42:14.980 --> 00:42:17.920 align:middle line:90%
as Spanish and Italian.

00:42:17.920 --> 00:42:20.830 align:middle line:84%
You can tell they're
related but quite

00:42:20.830 --> 00:42:22.090 align:middle line:90%
different from each other.

00:42:22.090 --> 00:42:27.010 align:middle line:84%
But Filipinos are used
to calling them dialects.

00:42:27.010 --> 00:42:28.660 align:middle line:84%
And I've had arguments
with Filipinos

00:42:28.660 --> 00:42:31.990 align:middle line:84%
in which I will ask one
who's from some area

00:42:31.990 --> 00:42:33.845 align:middle line:84%
of the Philippines
far away from Manila--

00:42:33.845 --> 00:42:35.470 align:middle line:84%
I'll say, "What
language do you speak?"

00:42:35.470 --> 00:42:38.890 align:middle line:84%
And they'll say, "Oh, I
speak a dialect of Filipino."

00:42:38.890 --> 00:42:40.330 align:middle line:84%
And I'll be like,
"Which dialect?"

00:42:40.330 --> 00:42:43.270 align:middle line:84%
And he'll say,
"Cebuano," which is OK--

00:42:43.270 --> 00:42:47.935 align:middle line:84%
related to Tagalog but not
mutually intelligible with it.

00:42:47.935 --> 00:42:50.560 align:middle line:84%
There's something similar going
on with Mandarin and Cantonese.

00:42:50.560 --> 00:42:52.780 align:middle line:84%
We tend to call those
dialects of Chinese

00:42:52.780 --> 00:42:55.420 align:middle line:84%
because they're both
spoken in China.

00:42:55.420 --> 00:42:59.650 align:middle line:84%
But-- and they do use-- it's a
beauty of the Chinese writing

00:42:59.650 --> 00:43:02.540 align:middle line:84%
system that if you write them
down, they look very similar.

00:43:02.540 --> 00:43:04.780 align:middle line:84%
But if you are
speaking Cantonese

00:43:04.780 --> 00:43:07.060 align:middle line:84%
to someone who only
understands Mandarin,

00:43:07.060 --> 00:43:09.400 align:middle line:84%
then you will have a hard
time getting anything across

00:43:09.400 --> 00:43:10.390 align:middle line:90%
is my understanding.

00:43:10.390 --> 00:43:12.885 align:middle line:90%
They're different enough that--

00:43:12.885 --> 00:43:14.260 align:middle line:84%
they have different
tone systems.

00:43:14.260 --> 00:43:17.880 align:middle line:90%
They have different phonologies.

00:43:17.880 --> 00:43:20.770 align:middle line:84%
The Mandarin word for "I," the
first-person singular pronoun,

00:43:20.770 --> 00:43:21.460 align:middle line:90%
is [MANDARIN].

00:43:21.460 --> 00:43:23.550 align:middle line:84%
In Mandarin, it's
something like [CANTONESE]..

00:43:23.550 --> 00:43:24.650 align:middle line:90%
They're just different.

00:43:24.650 --> 00:43:26.330 align:middle line:90%
They're different languages.

00:43:26.330 --> 00:43:26.830 align:middle line:90%
Sorry.

00:43:26.830 --> 00:43:27.553 align:middle line:90%
Yeah?

00:43:27.553 --> 00:43:28.260 align:middle line:90%
AUDIENCE: Wait.

00:43:28.260 --> 00:43:29.520 align:middle line:90%
Which one is [INAUDIBLE]?

00:43:29.520 --> 00:43:31.350 align:middle line:84%
NORVIN W. RICHARDS: In Mandarin,
I think it's [MANDARIN]..

00:43:31.350 --> 00:43:31.710 align:middle line:90%
AUDIENCE: Yes.

00:43:31.710 --> 00:43:32.070 align:middle line:90%
NORVIN W. RICHARDS: Yeah.

00:43:32.070 --> 00:43:34.511 align:middle line:84%
And in Cantonese, I
believe it's [CANTONESE]----

00:43:34.511 --> 00:43:36.136 align:middle line:84%
just different,
different [INAUDIBLE]..

00:43:36.136 --> 00:43:38.000 align:middle line:84%
AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]
[? vowels ?] [INAUDIBLE]

00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:38.690 align:middle line:90%
NORVIN W. RICHARDS: Oh, it's--

00:43:38.690 --> 00:43:39.590 align:middle line:90%
AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]

00:43:39.590 --> 00:43:40.490 align:middle line:90%
NORVIN W. RICHARDS: Do you--

00:43:40.490 --> 00:43:40.700 align:middle line:90%
AUDIENCE: Yeah.

00:43:40.700 --> 00:43:41.120 align:middle line:90%
NORVIN W. RICHARDS: What is it?

00:43:41.120 --> 00:43:41.926 align:middle line:90%
AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]

00:43:41.926 --> 00:43:43.259 align:middle line:90%
NORVIN W. RICHARDS: [INAUDIBLE].

00:43:43.259 --> 00:43:45.260 align:middle line:84%
AUDIENCE: Like, the
vowel is pretty similar.

00:43:45.260 --> 00:43:45.830 align:middle line:90%
NORVIN W. RICHARDS: Oh, OK.

00:43:45.830 --> 00:43:47.375 align:middle line:84%
AUDIENCE: But that
first consonant--

00:43:47.375 --> 00:43:48.710 align:middle line:84%
NORVIN W. RICHARDS: The
consonant is different.

00:43:48.710 --> 00:43:48.980 align:middle line:90%
OK.

00:43:48.980 --> 00:43:49.670 align:middle line:90%
Cool.

00:43:49.670 --> 00:43:50.300 align:middle line:90%
Thanks.

00:43:50.300 --> 00:43:51.260 align:middle line:90%
Yeah?

00:43:51.260 --> 00:43:52.790 align:middle line:84%
AUDIENCE: I think it's
interesting that you brought up

00:43:52.790 --> 00:43:53.860 align:middle line:90%
Spanish and Italian.

00:43:53.860 --> 00:43:54.902 align:middle line:90%
NORVIN W. RICHARDS: Yeah?

00:43:54.902 --> 00:43:57.490 align:middle line:84%
AUDIENCE: Because one time
I gave a story in Italian

00:43:57.490 --> 00:44:02.265 align:middle line:84%
to my mom, and she understood
it 100% without even trying.

00:44:02.265 --> 00:44:03.640 align:middle line:84%
I was like, how
do you know that?

00:44:03.640 --> 00:44:04.870 align:middle line:90%
It's just like Spanish.

00:44:04.870 --> 00:44:06.078 align:middle line:90%
NORVIN W. RICHARDS: Oh, yeah.

00:44:06.078 --> 00:44:06.850 align:middle line:90%
Cool.

00:44:06.850 --> 00:44:09.280 align:middle line:84%
So your mom is clearly
linguistically gifted.

00:44:09.280 --> 00:44:10.250 align:middle line:90%
AUDIENCE: [LAUGHS]

00:44:10.250 --> 00:44:11.950 align:middle line:84%
NORVIN W. RICHARDS: I think
if someone had-- you gave it

00:44:11.950 --> 00:44:12.938 align:middle line:90%
to her written down?

00:44:12.938 --> 00:44:13.480 align:middle line:90%
AUDIENCE: No.

00:44:13.480 --> 00:44:14.200 align:middle line:90%
I just read it out loud.

00:44:14.200 --> 00:44:14.950 align:middle line:84%
NORVIN W. RICHARDS: Oh,
you read it out loud.

00:44:14.950 --> 00:44:15.280 align:middle line:90%
Wow.

00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:16.450 align:middle line:90%
So, wait, do you speak Italian?

00:44:16.450 --> 00:44:17.020 align:middle line:90%
AUDIENCE: No.

00:44:17.020 --> 00:44:18.010 align:middle line:90%
But I was just pronouncing--

00:44:18.010 --> 00:44:19.450 align:middle line:84%
NORVIN W. RICHARDS: You were
pronouncing it out loud.

00:44:19.450 --> 00:44:19.950 align:middle line:90%
Cool.

00:44:19.950 --> 00:44:22.550 align:middle line:90%
No, that's awesome.

00:44:22.550 --> 00:44:23.050 align:middle line:90%
Neat.

00:44:23.050 --> 00:44:25.172 align:middle line:84%
I have had the
opposite experience.

00:44:25.172 --> 00:44:26.380 align:middle line:90%
I don't speak Spanish at all.

00:44:26.380 --> 00:44:27.830 align:middle line:90%
I speak a little bit of Italian.

00:44:27.830 --> 00:44:30.815 align:middle line:84%
And so I have attempted to speak
in Italian to Spanish speakers,

00:44:30.815 --> 00:44:33.190 align:middle line:84%
to which the response is
always, "I don't speak English."

00:44:33.190 --> 00:44:34.362 align:middle line:90%
AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

00:44:34.362 --> 00:44:35.320 align:middle line:90%
NORVIN W. RICHARDS: OK.

00:44:35.320 --> 00:44:35.710 align:middle line:90%
Sorry.

00:44:35.710 --> 00:44:37.043 align:middle line:90%
My Italian is not all that good.

00:44:37.043 --> 00:44:38.290 align:middle line:90%
Maybe that was the problem.

00:44:38.290 --> 00:44:40.130 align:middle line:90%
Yeah?

00:44:40.130 --> 00:44:42.510 align:middle line:84%
AUDIENCE: So, aside from
Mandarin and Cantonese

00:44:42.510 --> 00:44:47.490 align:middle line:84%
[? being-- ?] most
dialects in China,

00:44:47.490 --> 00:44:50.466 align:middle line:84%
[INAUDIBLE] [? they ?]
[? still use ?] the same

00:44:50.466 --> 00:44:51.460 align:middle line:90%
writing systems.

00:44:51.460 --> 00:44:52.460 align:middle line:90%
NORVIN W. RICHARDS: Yes.

00:44:52.460 --> 00:44:58.427 align:middle line:84%
AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE] some
sort of [INAUDIBLE] system.

00:44:58.427 --> 00:45:03.341 align:middle line:84%
So [? could ?] I say that having
almost the same [INAUDIBLE]----

00:45:03.341 --> 00:45:07.255 align:middle line:84%
does that count as
[INAUDIBLE] or [INAUDIBLE]

00:45:07.255 --> 00:45:08.880 align:middle line:84%
NORVIN W. RICHARDS:
Well, so I wonder--

00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:11.400 align:middle line:84%
I mean, so Engl-- if I
understood what you said

00:45:11.400 --> 00:45:13.847 align:middle line:84%
correctly, there are a
couple of different--

00:45:13.847 --> 00:45:15.930 align:middle line:84%
I don't know if this is
what you're talking about.

00:45:15.930 --> 00:45:18.555 align:middle line:84%
There are a couple of variations
on the Chinese writing system.

00:45:18.555 --> 00:45:21.090 align:middle line:84%
I've heard them called the
traditional and the simplified

00:45:21.090 --> 00:45:21.840 align:middle line:90%
characters.

00:45:21.840 --> 00:45:23.257 align:middle line:84%
Is that what you're
talking about,

00:45:23.257 --> 00:45:26.340 align:middle line:84%
where you have slightly
different ways of writing

00:45:26.340 --> 00:45:27.863 align:middle line:90%
particular characters?

00:45:27.863 --> 00:45:29.280 align:middle line:84%
Is that what you
mean when you say

00:45:29.280 --> 00:45:32.042 align:middle line:84%
Mandarin and Cantonese
are using different--

00:45:32.042 --> 00:45:32.780 align:middle line:90%
AUDIENCE: No.

00:45:32.780 --> 00:45:38.680 align:middle line:84%
It's just when they already
know [INAUDIBLE] They're

00:45:38.680 --> 00:45:40.345 align:middle line:84%
most definitely
Chinese [? culture. ?]

00:45:40.345 --> 00:45:41.387 align:middle line:90%
NORVIN W. RICHARDS: Yeah.

00:45:41.387 --> 00:45:43.568 align:middle line:84%
AUDIENCE: But I can
read them, actually.

00:45:43.568 --> 00:45:45.360 align:middle line:84%
NORVIN W. RICHARDS:
Oh, that's interesting.

00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:45.750 align:middle line:90%
OK.

00:45:45.750 --> 00:45:46.320 align:middle line:90%
Yeah.

00:45:46.320 --> 00:45:48.390 align:middle line:84%
So I don't know
why that would be.

00:45:48.390 --> 00:45:50.612 align:middle line:84%
So look-- the
different-- whatever

00:45:50.612 --> 00:45:53.070 align:middle line:84%
we're going to call them within
China because it's not just

00:45:53.070 --> 00:45:53.970 align:middle line:90%
Mandarin and Cantonese.

00:45:53.970 --> 00:45:54.970 align:middle line:90%
You're absolutely right.

00:45:54.970 --> 00:45:56.640 align:middle line:90%
There are many of them.

00:45:56.640 --> 00:45:58.140 align:middle line:84%
They're all related
to each other.

00:45:58.140 --> 00:46:02.010 align:middle line:84%
They're members of a language
family of the Sino- Tibetan

00:46:02.010 --> 00:46:04.690 align:middle line:84%
language family, it's
sometimes called.

00:46:04.690 --> 00:46:07.170 align:middle line:84%
And my understanding
is that most of them

00:46:07.170 --> 00:46:10.470 align:middle line:84%
have a lot in common
syntactically,

00:46:10.470 --> 00:46:12.750 align:middle line:84%
like the basic word
order is the same.

00:46:12.750 --> 00:46:15.810 align:middle line:84%
And they have
[INAUDIBLE],, and they have

00:46:15.810 --> 00:46:17.820 align:middle line:90%
a lot of properties in common.

00:46:17.820 --> 00:46:20.700 align:middle line:84%
There's a lot of careful work
on the syntax of, for example,

00:46:20.700 --> 00:46:23.060 align:middle line:84%
Mandarin and Cantonese showing
that they're not exactly

00:46:23.060 --> 00:46:23.560 align:middle line:90%
the same.

00:46:23.560 --> 00:46:25.893 align:middle line:84%
There are lots of interesting
distinctions between them.

00:46:25.893 --> 00:46:29.160 align:middle line:84%
So, for example,
Mandarin will allow you--

00:46:29.160 --> 00:46:31.390 align:middle line:84%
Mandarin has what are
called numeral classifiers.

00:46:31.390 --> 00:46:34.110 align:middle line:84%
So if you want to
count things, there's

00:46:34.110 --> 00:46:36.750 align:middle line:84%
a morpheme that goes between
the number and the thing

00:46:36.750 --> 00:46:38.345 align:middle line:84%
that you are counting
which tells you

00:46:38.345 --> 00:46:40.470 align:middle line:84%
something about the nature
of what you're counting.

00:46:40.470 --> 00:46:42.780 align:middle line:84%
So if you want to
say three books,

00:46:42.780 --> 00:46:44.940 align:middle line:84%
there's a morpheme
that goes between three

00:46:44.940 --> 00:46:47.422 align:middle line:84%
and books that
clarifies that it is

00:46:47.422 --> 00:46:48.630 align:middle line:90%
a book you are talking about.

00:46:48.630 --> 00:46:50.610 align:middle line:84%
And you'll use that
for anything book-like.

00:46:50.610 --> 00:46:51.840 align:middle line:84%
If you're talking
about three pens,

00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:53.298 align:middle line:84%
there's another
classifier which is

00:46:53.298 --> 00:46:57.000 align:middle line:84%
used for things that are long
and thin, things like that.

00:46:57.000 --> 00:46:59.160 align:middle line:84%
Mandarin and Cantonese
both have those.

00:46:59.160 --> 00:47:00.930 align:middle line:84%
Cantonese is unlike
Mandarin in that

00:47:00.930 --> 00:47:04.050 align:middle line:84%
it can use numeral classifiers
even when there is no number.

00:47:04.050 --> 00:47:06.360 align:middle line:84%
So it can just
start a noun phrase

00:47:06.360 --> 00:47:07.690 align:middle line:90%
with a numeral classifier.

00:47:07.690 --> 00:47:10.860 align:middle line:84%
So there are those
smallish differences

00:47:10.860 --> 00:47:12.370 align:middle line:90%
between these approaches.

00:47:12.370 --> 00:47:12.870 align:middle line:90%
Sorry.

00:47:12.870 --> 00:47:13.590 align:middle line:90%
You're raising your hand.

00:47:13.590 --> 00:47:13.740 align:middle line:90%
[INAUDIBLE]

00:47:13.740 --> 00:47:14.282 align:middle line:90%
AUDIENCE: No.

00:47:14.282 --> 00:47:16.800 align:middle line:84%
I just-- I was going
to say something.

00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:17.310 align:middle line:90%
Sorry.

00:47:17.310 --> 00:47:17.610 align:middle line:90%
NORVIN W. RICHARDS: Yeah.

00:47:17.610 --> 00:47:18.485 align:middle line:90%
AUDIENCE: Never mind.

00:47:18.485 --> 00:47:20.050 align:middle line:90%
NORVIN W. RICHARDS: Oh, OK.

00:47:20.050 --> 00:47:21.550 align:middle line:84%
There are those
kinds of differences

00:47:21.550 --> 00:47:24.540 align:middle line:84%
between Mandarin and
Cantonese, but they

00:47:24.540 --> 00:47:26.040 align:middle line:90%
have many properties in common.

00:47:26.040 --> 00:47:28.415 align:middle line:84%
And I think this is probably
true of a lot of the, again,

00:47:28.415 --> 00:47:30.873 align:middle line:84%
dialects or languages-- whatever
we're going to call them--

00:47:30.873 --> 00:47:32.527 align:middle line:90%
within China that, you know--

00:47:32.527 --> 00:47:34.550 align:middle line:84%
[INAUDIBLE] or
[INAUDIBLE] or whatever.

00:47:34.550 --> 00:47:36.300 align:middle line:84%
There are all of these
different versions.

00:47:36.300 --> 00:47:40.300 align:middle line:84%
They have lots of
things in common.

00:47:40.300 --> 00:47:43.740 align:middle line:84%
It's a property of the
Chinese writing system

00:47:43.740 --> 00:47:46.380 align:middle line:84%
that if you write
a character down,

00:47:46.380 --> 00:47:49.740 align:middle line:84%
it doesn't matter what
language you're speaking.

00:47:49.740 --> 00:47:52.620 align:middle line:84%
So for that matter, if I
were to write English using

00:47:52.620 --> 00:47:55.800 align:middle line:84%
Chinese characters, someone
who didn't speak English

00:47:55.800 --> 00:47:57.420 align:middle line:84%
but could read
Chinese characters

00:47:57.420 --> 00:48:00.600 align:middle line:84%
would probably be able to figure
out what I had written down.

00:48:00.600 --> 00:48:05.378 align:middle line:90%
So if I use this symbol--

00:48:05.378 --> 00:48:07.170 align:middle line:84%
this is the Chinese
character for a person.

00:48:07.170 --> 00:48:07.980 align:middle line:90%
I apologize.

00:48:07.980 --> 00:48:10.210 align:middle line:84%
My handwriting is bad
in every language.

00:48:10.210 --> 00:48:12.330 align:middle line:90%
But it's something like this.

00:48:12.330 --> 00:48:15.000 align:middle line:84%
That's got a pronunciation
in Mandarin that's

00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:17.730 align:middle line:90%
something like [MANDARIN].

00:48:17.730 --> 00:48:20.550 align:middle line:84%
If I decided to write English
using Chinese characters,

00:48:20.550 --> 00:48:23.190 align:middle line:84%
I would use this character
for the word "person."

00:48:23.190 --> 00:48:26.850 align:middle line:84%
And it would be your job
to read it as "person."

00:48:26.850 --> 00:48:28.620 align:middle line:90%
And you'd-- if you--

00:48:28.620 --> 00:48:30.210 align:middle line:84%
again, if you knew
Chinese characters

00:48:30.210 --> 00:48:32.340 align:middle line:84%
but couldn't-- didn't
speak any English,

00:48:32.340 --> 00:48:33.540 align:middle line:90%
you'd be able to read that.

00:48:33.540 --> 00:48:35.415 align:middle line:84%
Not because you knew
English, but because you

00:48:35.415 --> 00:48:37.230 align:middle line:90%
knew these characters.

00:48:37.230 --> 00:48:41.010 align:middle line:84%
And when Mandarin and
Cantonese speakers--

00:48:41.010 --> 00:48:42.840 align:middle line:84%
if you have a monolingual
Mandarin speaker

00:48:42.840 --> 00:48:44.478 align:middle line:84%
and a monolingual
Cantonese speaker,

00:48:44.478 --> 00:48:46.020 align:middle line:84%
and they're both
writing things down,

00:48:46.020 --> 00:48:47.670 align:middle line:84%
if they do use the
same characters,

00:48:47.670 --> 00:48:49.632 align:middle line:90%
they'll be able to read--

00:48:49.632 --> 00:48:51.840 align:middle line:84%
each will be able to read
what the other has written.

00:48:51.840 --> 00:48:54.138 align:middle line:84%
But it's not-- that
doesn't have anything

00:48:54.138 --> 00:48:56.430 align:middle line:84%
to do with whether they speak
the same language or not.

00:48:56.430 --> 00:48:58.500 align:middle line:84%
It's a property of the
Chinese writing system.

00:48:58.500 --> 00:49:03.520 align:middle line:84%
You're writing down not
sounds but words in a sense.

00:49:03.520 --> 00:49:05.870 align:middle line:90%
Does that make sense?

00:49:05.870 --> 00:49:09.320 align:middle line:84%
It's a very long,
involved response.

00:49:09.320 --> 00:49:10.590 align:middle line:90%
Yeah?

00:49:10.590 --> 00:49:13.180 align:middle line:90%
OK.

00:49:13.180 --> 00:49:13.680 align:middle line:90%
Yeah.

00:49:13.680 --> 00:49:15.990 align:middle line:84%
So various examples--
Serbo-Croatian

00:49:15.990 --> 00:49:16.890 align:middle line:90%
is another example.

00:49:16.890 --> 00:49:18.750 align:middle line:84%
Down here you have
to be careful--

00:49:18.750 --> 00:49:22.320 align:middle line:84%
there used to be a language
that was called Serbo-Croatian

00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:26.280 align:middle line:84%
before the breakup of
the former Yugoslavia.

00:49:26.280 --> 00:49:30.113 align:middle line:84%
There are now people who are
very fierce about the fact

00:49:30.113 --> 00:49:31.530 align:middle line:84%
that they are
distinct languages--

00:49:31.530 --> 00:49:33.570 align:middle line:90%
Serbian and Croatian.

00:49:33.570 --> 00:49:37.020 align:middle line:84%
They are, again, written with
different writing systems--

00:49:37.020 --> 00:49:38.430 align:middle line:90%
actually, different alphabets.

00:49:38.430 --> 00:49:42.120 align:middle line:84%
And there are differences
in their grammars.

00:49:42.120 --> 00:49:43.800 align:middle line:84%
But the fact that
people are fierce

00:49:43.800 --> 00:49:45.300 align:middle line:84%
about them being
different languages

00:49:45.300 --> 00:49:47.970 align:middle line:84%
has to do with where national
borderlines have been drawn

00:49:47.970 --> 00:49:49.275 align:middle line:90%
and other things about history.

00:49:49.275 --> 00:49:52.710 align:middle line:90%


00:49:52.710 --> 00:49:56.622 align:middle line:84%
So a popular linguist's
response to this question,

00:49:56.622 --> 00:49:58.080 align:middle line:84%
how do you know
when you're looking

00:49:58.080 --> 00:50:01.830 align:middle line:84%
at two languages or two
dialects of a single language,

00:50:01.830 --> 00:50:03.960 align:middle line:90%
is to say--

00:50:03.960 --> 00:50:05.790 align:middle line:84%
I think I did this
in class-- "mu!"

00:50:05.790 --> 00:50:07.020 align:middle line:90%
Yeah.

00:50:07.020 --> 00:50:08.880 align:middle line:90%
Don't ask that question!

00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:13.560 align:middle line:84%
That question contains some
kind of false presupposition.

00:50:13.560 --> 00:50:17.508 align:middle line:84%
Chomsky in '96, in a book
called Knowledge of Language,

00:50:17.508 --> 00:50:19.050 align:middle line:84%
laid out a way of
thinking about this

00:50:19.050 --> 00:50:21.008 align:middle line:84%
that I have always thought
made a lot of sense.

00:50:21.008 --> 00:50:24.990 align:middle line:84%
He said, look, there
are-- and his claim

00:50:24.990 --> 00:50:27.630 align:middle line:84%
was there aren't actually
such things as languages

00:50:27.630 --> 00:50:29.010 align:middle line:90%
or dialects.

00:50:29.010 --> 00:50:31.230 align:middle line:90%
What there are are people.

00:50:31.230 --> 00:50:32.430 align:middle line:90%
So there are people.

00:50:32.430 --> 00:50:34.170 align:middle line:84%
We can agree that
there are people.

00:50:34.170 --> 00:50:38.370 align:middle line:84%
And people have
mental grammars--

00:50:38.370 --> 00:50:41.580 align:middle line:84%
all the stuff we've been talking
about all semester, all the--

00:50:41.580 --> 00:50:44.870 align:middle line:84%
if we knew everything about
what was going on in your brain

00:50:44.870 --> 00:50:47.370 align:middle line:84%
as it interacted with language--
if we knew everything about

00:50:47.370 --> 00:50:51.150 align:middle line:84%
your lexicon and the
phonological and syntactic

00:50:51.150 --> 00:50:53.790 align:middle line:84%
and semantic status of every
representation that you were

00:50:53.790 --> 00:50:55.890 align:middle line:84%
messing with, and we had
a perfect description

00:50:55.890 --> 00:50:57.940 align:middle line:84%
of everything that was
going on in your head--

00:50:57.940 --> 00:50:59.850 align:middle line:90%
imagine that we had that--

00:50:59.850 --> 00:51:01.590 align:middle line:84%
we can call that
your I-language,

00:51:01.590 --> 00:51:03.510 align:middle line:84%
call it your
individual language.

00:51:03.510 --> 00:51:07.060 align:middle line:90%
So that's your mental state.

00:51:07.060 --> 00:51:10.780 align:middle line:84%
And now, Chomsky
said, it is a fact

00:51:10.780 --> 00:51:15.460 align:middle line:84%
about the way that people tend
to interact with each other,

00:51:15.460 --> 00:51:21.010 align:middle line:84%
and the way that people
grow up and learn to speak,

00:51:21.010 --> 00:51:24.460 align:middle line:84%
and the way that people interact
with each other as adults

00:51:24.460 --> 00:51:27.250 align:middle line:84%
that we tend to
end up growing up

00:51:27.250 --> 00:51:30.490 align:middle line:84%
in domains where there are
lots of people with pretty

00:51:30.490 --> 00:51:33.070 align:middle line:90%
similar I-languages.

00:51:33.070 --> 00:51:34.990 align:middle line:84%
And that's what
gives us the illusion

00:51:34.990 --> 00:51:36.190 align:middle line:90%
of this other kind of thing.

00:51:36.190 --> 00:51:38.800 align:middle line:84%
He called it an E-language,
an external language--

00:51:38.800 --> 00:51:43.780 align:middle line:84%
things like English, or
Mandarin, or Japanese,

00:51:43.780 --> 00:51:45.010 align:middle line:90%
or French, or whatever--

00:51:45.010 --> 00:51:47.890 align:middle line:90%


00:51:47.890 --> 00:51:54.220 align:middle line:84%
these objects that are
abstractions over many people's

00:51:54.220 --> 00:51:55.540 align:middle line:90%
I-languages.

00:51:55.540 --> 00:51:59.530 align:middle line:84%
And it's OK to talk this way
as a loose way of talking.

00:51:59.530 --> 00:52:01.780 align:middle line:84%
This is the way we're used
to talking about languages.

00:52:01.780 --> 00:52:03.197 align:middle line:84%
But we should bear
in mind, he was

00:52:03.197 --> 00:52:05.290 align:middle line:84%
saying, that in
the final analysis,

00:52:05.290 --> 00:52:06.910 align:middle line:90%
these things don't exist.

00:52:06.910 --> 00:52:09.910 align:middle line:84%
They're just
generalizations over lots

00:52:09.910 --> 00:52:11.480 align:middle line:90%
of different I-languages.

00:52:11.480 --> 00:52:13.570 align:middle line:84%
So if we knew everything
about the I-languages

00:52:13.570 --> 00:52:15.910 align:middle line:84%
of-- let's stick to every
native speaker of English

00:52:15.910 --> 00:52:17.450 align:middle line:90%
in this room.

00:52:17.450 --> 00:52:19.570 align:middle line:84%
If we looked at
each of us in turn,

00:52:19.570 --> 00:52:22.917 align:middle line:84%
we'd discover that we have lots
and lots of things in common.

00:52:22.917 --> 00:52:25.000 align:middle line:84%
But that there are small
differences between them.

00:52:25.000 --> 00:52:27.580 align:middle line:84%
I'm apparently the only one
with positive "anymore,"

00:52:27.580 --> 00:52:30.661 align:middle line:90%
maybe Faith too.

00:52:30.661 --> 00:52:34.870 align:middle line:84%
I and a couple of other people
have "y'all" as a second person

00:52:34.870 --> 00:52:35.830 align:middle line:90%
plural pronoun.

00:52:35.830 --> 00:52:37.660 align:middle line:84%
So there are these
little differences

00:52:37.660 --> 00:52:39.105 align:middle line:90%
between pairs of us.

00:52:39.105 --> 00:52:40.480 align:middle line:84%
And some of us
are "soda" people.

00:52:40.480 --> 00:52:41.647 align:middle line:90%
Some of us are "pop" people.

00:52:41.647 --> 00:52:43.720 align:middle line:90%
Some of us are "Coke" people--

00:52:43.720 --> 00:52:45.970 align:middle line:84%
little differences
between pairs of us.

00:52:45.970 --> 00:52:49.693 align:middle line:84%
And that's all we
really need to say.

00:52:49.693 --> 00:52:51.610 align:middle line:84%
So what we have are a
bunch of people who have

00:52:51.610 --> 00:52:53.170 align:middle line:90%
pretty similar I-languages.

00:52:53.170 --> 00:52:58.250 align:middle line:84%
And if we work too hard to
try to figure out, well,

00:52:58.250 --> 00:53:01.240 align:middle line:84%
which of those languages
is really English

00:53:01.240 --> 00:53:03.790 align:middle line:84%
and which of them are
deviations from English,

00:53:03.790 --> 00:53:06.400 align:middle line:84%
then we're, Chomsky was
saying, asking ourselves

00:53:06.400 --> 00:53:08.320 align:middle line:90%
the wrong question.

00:53:08.320 --> 00:53:11.320 align:middle line:84%
Trying to decide whether two
people speak the same language

00:53:11.320 --> 00:53:15.130 align:middle line:84%
or not, it's like trying
to decide on a fall day

00:53:15.130 --> 00:53:18.040 align:middle line:84%
whether two leaves
are the same color.

00:53:18.040 --> 00:53:21.730 align:middle line:84%
So you could look at two
leaves, and say, yeah, those

00:53:21.730 --> 00:53:22.887 align:middle line:90%
are both red.

00:53:22.887 --> 00:53:24.470 align:middle line:84%
But if you looked
hard enough at them,

00:53:24.470 --> 00:53:26.748 align:middle line:84%
you'd convince yourself
they're not exactly the same.

00:53:26.748 --> 00:53:28.040 align:middle line:90%
One of them is a little deeper.

00:53:28.040 --> 00:53:29.920 align:middle line:90%
One of them's a little browner.

00:53:29.920 --> 00:53:32.095 align:middle line:90%
So what's the right answer?

00:53:32.095 --> 00:53:33.470 align:middle line:84%
Well, there isn't
a right answer.

00:53:33.470 --> 00:53:36.070 align:middle line:84%
It's just a question
of how fine-grained do

00:53:36.070 --> 00:53:37.510 align:middle line:90%
you want your analysis to be?

00:53:37.510 --> 00:53:42.370 align:middle line:84%
That was Chomsky's way
of talking about this.

00:53:42.370 --> 00:53:48.890 align:middle line:84%
I bring this up because it short
circuits a lot of ways people

00:53:48.890 --> 00:53:50.760 align:middle line:84%
have had of talking
about dialects.

00:53:50.760 --> 00:53:54.860 align:middle line:84%
So I started off with
this metaphor about chess

00:53:54.860 --> 00:53:57.920 align:middle line:84%
and checkers and the teachers
who pretended that there

00:53:57.920 --> 00:54:00.110 align:middle line:90%
was no such game as chess.

00:54:00.110 --> 00:54:01.610 align:middle line:84%
And I've already
talked a little bit

00:54:01.610 --> 00:54:06.620 align:middle line:84%
about ways in which this
metaphor has correspondences

00:54:06.620 --> 00:54:07.440 align:middle line:90%
in real life.

00:54:07.440 --> 00:54:10.130 align:middle line:84%
So there are dialects--
negative concord dialects--

00:54:10.130 --> 00:54:12.830 align:middle line:84%
that are the subject
of deliberate

00:54:12.830 --> 00:54:14.520 align:middle line:84%
suppression by the
education system.

00:54:14.520 --> 00:54:16.550 align:middle line:84%
And this has consequences
for people who grow up

00:54:16.550 --> 00:54:18.920 align:middle line:90%
speaking these dialects.

00:54:18.920 --> 00:54:22.200 align:middle line:84%
There are dialects that have
been particularly attacked

00:54:22.200 --> 00:54:24.470 align:middle line:90%
which go by various names--

00:54:24.470 --> 00:54:26.780 align:middle line:84%
sometimes called African
American English.

00:54:26.780 --> 00:54:30.200 align:middle line:84%
It's also been called African
American Vernacular English.

00:54:30.200 --> 00:54:32.510 align:middle line:84%
Decades ago, it was
once called Ebonics.

00:54:32.510 --> 00:54:34.280 align:middle line:90%
Does anyone still use this term?

00:54:34.280 --> 00:54:36.080 align:middle line:84%
Has anyone heard the
term Ebonics used

00:54:36.080 --> 00:54:38.000 align:middle line:90%
for African American English?

00:54:38.000 --> 00:54:42.230 align:middle line:84%
It was an attempt to
make African American

00:54:42.230 --> 00:54:44.907 align:middle line:84%
English sound different
from African American

00:54:44.907 --> 00:54:46.490 align:middle line:84%
English-- make it
sound like something

00:54:46.490 --> 00:54:49.280 align:middle line:90%
you might want to study.

00:54:49.280 --> 00:54:51.680 align:middle line:84%
When people first--
so people have

00:54:51.680 --> 00:54:54.470 align:middle line:84%
been talking about this version
of English for a long time.

00:54:54.470 --> 00:54:59.420 align:middle line:84%
And a lot of the discussion
has been like the teachers

00:54:59.420 --> 00:55:01.670 align:middle line:84%
that I was asking you to
think about in the metaphor--

00:55:01.670 --> 00:55:03.860 align:middle line:84%
the ones who said,
what are you doing?

00:55:03.860 --> 00:55:05.900 align:middle line:84%
That's not how
you play checkers.

00:55:05.900 --> 00:55:08.750 align:middle line:84%
You're just moving the
pieces around randomly.

00:55:08.750 --> 00:55:11.422 align:middle line:84%
Stop it and learn to play
a game with some rules.

00:55:11.422 --> 00:55:13.880 align:middle line:84%
So the people who talk about
African American English often

00:55:13.880 --> 00:55:16.850 align:middle line:84%
make a point of saying that it's
a version of English-- this is

00:55:16.850 --> 00:55:20.280 align:middle line:84%
William Raspberry, who's
African-American, I believe,

00:55:20.280 --> 00:55:24.150 align:middle line:84%
saying it's a version of
English that has no rules.

00:55:24.150 --> 00:55:26.150 align:middle line:84%
There's a lot of really
interesting reasons

00:55:26.150 --> 00:55:31.310 align:middle line:84%
and not-so-recent research on
African American English, some

00:55:31.310 --> 00:55:34.670 align:middle line:84%
of it by African-American
linguists.

00:55:34.670 --> 00:55:37.400 align:middle line:84%
There's a really
excellent series

00:55:37.400 --> 00:55:40.520 align:middle line:84%
of works by a linguist,
Lisa Green, who

00:55:40.520 --> 00:55:42.740 align:middle line:84%
I recommend that you look
up if you get interested

00:55:42.740 --> 00:55:44.927 align:middle line:90%
in these topics.

00:55:44.927 --> 00:55:47.510 align:middle line:84%
It has a number of properties,
which because we're running out

00:55:47.510 --> 00:55:49.580 align:middle line:84%
of time, we probably won't
get a chance to talk about all

00:55:49.580 --> 00:55:50.080 align:middle line:90%
of them.

00:55:50.080 --> 00:55:52.680 align:middle line:84%
But I'll run through
a couple of them.

00:55:52.680 --> 00:55:55.040 align:middle line:84%
First of all, to talk about
it as a monolithic entity

00:55:55.040 --> 00:55:56.295 align:middle line:90%
is an oversimplification.

00:55:56.295 --> 00:55:58.670 align:middle line:84%
There are a lot of varieties
of African American English,

00:55:58.670 --> 00:56:01.400 align:middle line:84%
just as there are of
non-African American English.

00:56:01.400 --> 00:56:04.190 align:middle line:84%
But it's characterized by
negative concord, which

00:56:04.190 --> 00:56:07.010 align:middle line:84%
is one of the reasons that
negative concord is picked out

00:56:07.010 --> 00:56:08.330 align:middle line:90%
for abuse.

00:56:08.330 --> 00:56:11.150 align:middle line:84%
It has a richer tense
and aspect system

00:56:11.150 --> 00:56:13.860 align:middle line:84%
than the version of
English that I'm speaking.

00:56:13.860 --> 00:56:16.370 align:middle line:84%
So a version of the
English that I'm speaking

00:56:16.370 --> 00:56:20.850 align:middle line:84%
would use the same kind of
verb to express these things.

00:56:20.850 --> 00:56:22.430 align:middle line:84%
So I would say
for both of these,

00:56:22.430 --> 00:56:24.470 align:middle line:84%
"They are usually tired
when they come home,"

00:56:24.470 --> 00:56:26.780 align:middle line:90%
and "They are tired right now."

00:56:26.780 --> 00:56:28.700 align:middle line:84%
African American English
distinguishes these.

00:56:28.700 --> 00:56:31.430 align:middle line:84%
So you use "be" for the
habitual one, the first one,

00:56:31.430 --> 00:56:33.260 align:middle line:90%
and nothing--

00:56:33.260 --> 00:56:36.150 align:middle line:84%
so "They tired right
now," for the second one.

00:56:36.150 --> 00:56:39.290 align:middle line:84%
Again, is anybody familiar
with this dialect of English?

00:56:39.290 --> 00:56:41.900 align:middle line:84%
Is this something any of
you have grown up around?

00:56:41.900 --> 00:56:42.992 align:middle line:90%
Have you heard this?

00:56:42.992 --> 00:56:44.450 align:middle line:84%
Have you heard
people saying things

00:56:44.450 --> 00:56:46.190 align:middle line:90%
like, "They tired right now?"

00:56:46.190 --> 00:56:46.730 align:middle line:90%
Yeah.

00:56:46.730 --> 00:56:48.920 align:middle line:90%
So I certainly have growing up.

00:56:48.920 --> 00:56:51.530 align:middle line:84%
And, at the time,
I believed and was

00:56:51.530 --> 00:56:54.088 align:middle line:84%
taught to believe that this was
because these speakers were,

00:56:54.088 --> 00:56:55.130 align:middle line:90%
you know, they were lazy.

00:56:55.130 --> 00:56:57.260 align:middle line:84%
They were leaving out words
that they should have said.

00:56:57.260 --> 00:56:58.635 align:middle line:84%
What they were
actually doing was

00:56:58.635 --> 00:57:00.583 align:middle line:84%
expressing an
aspectual distinction

00:57:00.583 --> 00:57:02.375 align:middle line:84%
that my version of
English doesn't express.

00:57:02.375 --> 00:57:06.650 align:middle line:90%


00:57:06.650 --> 00:57:09.080 align:middle line:84%
This is a distinction that's
also expressed in Spanish.

00:57:09.080 --> 00:57:11.090 align:middle line:84%
It's a distinction
between what's

00:57:11.090 --> 00:57:16.100 align:middle line:84%
sometimes called stage level
and individual level properties.

00:57:16.100 --> 00:57:17.690 align:middle line:84%
So individual level
properties are

00:57:17.690 --> 00:57:21.660 align:middle line:84%
properties that hold of someone
over a long period of time,

00:57:21.660 --> 00:57:25.610 align:middle line:90%
so use "ser" in Spanish for--

00:57:25.610 --> 00:57:27.680 align:middle line:84%
to express individual
level properties

00:57:27.680 --> 00:57:29.710 align:middle line:90%
like "I'm North American."

00:57:29.710 --> 00:57:33.110 align:middle line:84%
"Estar" is used for temporary
properties like being tired.

00:57:33.110 --> 00:57:35.120 align:middle line:84%
That's a distinction that
my version of English

00:57:35.120 --> 00:57:39.710 align:middle line:84%
doesn't make, but African
American English does.

00:57:39.710 --> 00:57:45.320 align:middle line:84%
It's also got, famously,
a rule-governed version

00:57:45.320 --> 00:57:46.280 align:middle line:90%
of copula drop.

00:57:46.280 --> 00:57:51.090 align:middle line:84%
So I do want to talk about
this in a little bit of detail.

00:57:51.090 --> 00:57:54.580 align:middle line:84%
So in the context in which
you can leave out the copula--

00:57:54.580 --> 00:57:57.830 align:middle line:90%


00:57:57.830 --> 00:58:00.350 align:middle line:84%
when the aspectual
distinctions allow

00:58:00.350 --> 00:58:02.870 align:middle line:84%
you to use the null copula
in African American English,

00:58:02.870 --> 00:58:05.490 align:middle line:84%
there are rules about
where you can do it.

00:58:05.490 --> 00:58:08.385 align:middle line:84%
So, for example, you can do it
in a sentence like "He rich."

00:58:08.385 --> 00:58:10.260 align:middle line:84%
But you can't do it at
the end of a sentence.

00:58:10.260 --> 00:58:12.020 align:middle line:84%
So you can't ask--
you can't say things

00:58:12.020 --> 00:58:14.000 align:middle line:84%
like, "I don't
know how rich he,"

00:58:14.000 --> 00:58:17.180 align:middle line:90%
in this version of English.

00:58:17.180 --> 00:58:19.690 align:middle line:84%
You also can't do
it in infinitives.

00:58:19.690 --> 00:58:21.980 align:middle line:84%
And you can't do it
in the past tense.

00:58:21.980 --> 00:58:23.720 align:middle line:84%
So the past tense
is "He was rich."

00:58:23.720 --> 00:58:25.580 align:middle line:90%
It's not, "He rich."

00:58:25.580 --> 00:58:29.180 align:middle line:84%
And you don't do it
when there's negation.

00:58:29.180 --> 00:58:32.540 align:middle line:84%
So there is this
phenomenon of copula drop

00:58:32.540 --> 00:58:35.520 align:middle line:84%
if you're describing
a temporary property.

00:58:35.520 --> 00:58:38.780 align:middle line:84%
But it's copula drop that's
subject to these rules which

00:58:38.780 --> 00:58:40.530 align:middle line:84%
I've just gone
through real fast.

00:58:40.530 --> 00:58:42.630 align:middle line:84%
It's not just say
whatever you want.

00:58:42.630 --> 00:58:45.050 align:middle line:84%
There are these
restrictions which linguists

00:58:45.050 --> 00:58:47.240 align:middle line:90%
have studied and figured out.

00:58:47.240 --> 00:58:49.490 align:middle line:84%
These particular
distinctions are of interest

00:58:49.490 --> 00:58:54.350 align:middle line:84%
because they have
a correspondent

00:58:54.350 --> 00:58:57.710 align:middle line:84%
in the version of English that I
am speaking, which is sometimes

00:58:57.710 --> 00:58:59.660 align:middle line:90%
called standard English.

00:58:59.660 --> 00:59:02.660 align:middle line:84%
So standard English
has a phenomenon

00:59:02.660 --> 00:59:05.085 align:middle line:84%
where we can contract
various kinds of things

00:59:05.085 --> 00:59:05.960 align:middle line:90%
including the copula.

00:59:05.960 --> 00:59:07.280 align:middle line:90%
So you can say, "He is rich."

00:59:07.280 --> 00:59:10.070 align:middle line:84%
But you can also
say, "He's rich."

00:59:10.070 --> 00:59:12.273 align:middle line:84%
And this is also
subject to restrictions.

00:59:12.273 --> 00:59:14.690 align:middle line:84%
So you can't, for example, do
it at the end of a sentence.

00:59:14.690 --> 00:59:17.148 align:middle line:84%
You can't say-- you can say,
"I don't know how rich he is."

00:59:17.148 --> 00:59:20.020 align:middle line:84%
You can't say, "I don't
know how rich he's."

00:59:20.020 --> 00:59:24.245 align:middle line:84%
And I'm about to go
through all of the context

00:59:24.245 --> 00:59:25.870 align:middle line:84%
that we did on the
last slide, but what

00:59:25.870 --> 00:59:28.540 align:middle line:84%
we're going to see is that what
African American English is

00:59:28.540 --> 00:59:33.238 align:middle line:84%
doing is dropping copulas under
just the circumstances where

00:59:33.238 --> 00:59:35.530 align:middle line:84%
my version of English-- the
version of English that I'm

00:59:35.530 --> 00:59:37.690 align:middle line:90%
speaking-- can contract copulas.

00:59:37.690 --> 00:59:38.980 align:middle line:90%
And that's it.

00:59:38.980 --> 00:59:44.020 align:middle line:84%
So they're not being
lazy or stupid.

00:59:44.020 --> 00:59:46.810 align:middle line:84%
They're not failing to say a
word that they ought to say.

00:59:46.810 --> 00:59:48.520 align:middle line:84%
They just have a
version of a contraction

00:59:48.520 --> 00:59:52.090 align:middle line:84%
that's a little more emphatic
than the version that I use.

00:59:52.090 --> 00:59:53.830 align:middle line:84%
They don't just get
rid of the vowel.

00:59:53.830 --> 00:59:55.360 align:middle line:90%
They get rid of the whole thing.

00:59:55.360 --> 00:59:58.270 align:middle line:84%
But the restrictions on
where you can do this

00:59:58.270 --> 00:59:59.830 align:middle line:90%
are the same restrictions.

00:59:59.830 --> 01:00:02.200 align:middle line:84%
So just like in my
version of English,

01:00:02.200 --> 01:00:08.260 align:middle line:84%
you can't say "He'sn't
rich," doing contraction both

01:00:08.260 --> 01:00:10.480 align:middle line:84%
of the copula and of
negation, similarly,

01:00:10.480 --> 01:00:14.170 align:middle line:84%
you can't do copula drop there
in African American English.

01:00:14.170 --> 01:00:18.010 align:middle line:84%
Did anybody get a chance to
look at the optional reading

01:00:18.010 --> 01:00:19.202 align:middle line:90%
for today?

01:00:19.202 --> 01:00:20.410 align:middle line:90%
I put up an optional reading.

01:00:20.410 --> 01:00:21.952 align:middle line:84%
And as I put up the
optional reading,

01:00:21.952 --> 01:00:24.130 align:middle line:84%
I thought, here I am putting
up an optional reading

01:00:24.130 --> 01:00:27.220 align:middle line:84%
for a one-day topic on the
day when a paper is due.

01:00:27.220 --> 01:00:29.170 align:middle line:84%
What are the odds
that anyone will

01:00:29.170 --> 01:00:32.603 align:middle line:84%
have a chance to even consider
thinking about actually

01:00:32.603 --> 01:00:34.270 align:middle line:84%
even reading the
announcement that there

01:00:34.270 --> 01:00:35.290 align:middle line:90%
is an optional reading?

01:00:35.290 --> 01:00:37.630 align:middle line:84%
These people-- it's the
end of the semester.

01:00:37.630 --> 01:00:40.060 align:middle line:84%
The optional reading is
still on the website.

01:00:40.060 --> 01:00:42.670 align:middle line:84%
It's worth having a look at
sometime when you have time.

01:00:42.670 --> 01:00:44.480 align:middle line:84%
I can just describe
for you what it is.

01:00:44.480 --> 01:00:47.650 align:middle line:84%
It's an African-American
author who

01:00:47.650 --> 01:00:51.160 align:middle line:84%
is addressing arguments
about how African

01:00:51.160 --> 01:00:54.340 align:middle line:84%
American English ought
to be treated in schools.

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And he has a very
sophisticated set of arguments.

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He's replying to
various people who

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have argued the
conservative position, which

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is that it's fine for people
to speak African American

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English in the privacy
of their own homes,

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but it is important
that we teach

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them standard English
in schools in order

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for them to get ahead in life.

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He's taking issue
with these arguments.

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But the cool thing
about the essay

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is not just that he takes
issue with these arguments,

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but that it's written in
African American English.

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So the essay is written
in the version of English

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that he is describing.

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And it's a cool and
difficult experience

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attempting to read it.

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So if it's not your
native dialect of English,

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it's not trivial figuring
out how to read the article.

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So it's an interesting
experience.

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I recommend it to everybody.

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Questions about any of this?

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Other things people
want to talk about?

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So the goal-- and we are now
in the part of the semester

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where I attempt as
a public service

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to combat various things
people believe about language

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or maybe have heard
about language.

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So the goal of today was
to get you to at least hear

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the idea that when people
speak English or whatever

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your native language is in a way
that's different from the way

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that you speak it, it's
not because they're stupid.

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It's because languages do that.

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There are varieties
of languages.

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Maybe it's because
there aren't actually

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such things as languages.

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There are just people.

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And people are different
from each other.

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Yeah?

01:02:25.340 --> 01:02:25.840 align:middle line:90%
All right.

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Go forth and frolic.

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Thank you for listening
to me talk about this.

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And I will see you
again on Thursday.

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