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JOANNE STUBBE: Where we were at
at the end of the last lecture

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was trying to figure
out what do we

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do with the fact
that cholesterol--

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its solubility is
five micromolar.

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Yet if you look
inside your blood,

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the levels would
be 5 millimolar.

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And so the question is, how
does it gets transported?

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And it gets transported
in a complex fashion.

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We need to deal with that
with any kind of very

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insoluble lipophilic materials.

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And I briefly introduced
you to lipoproteins,

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which are mixtures of
different kinds of lipids,

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triacylglycerols,
phospholipids, cholesterol,

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cholesterol esters.

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And the key question we
learned in the first couple

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lectures that cholesterol
could be biosynthesized.

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And what we started focusing
on in the last lecture

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was that it can be
taken up by the diet.

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That's what we're
focusing on now.

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And then after we do a
little more background,

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then how is it taken up and
then how is this all regulated?

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How do you control
biosynthesis versus cholesterol

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from the diet.

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What are the sort
of major mechanisms?

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So at the end of
the last lecture

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I'd given you a second picture.

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And the PowerPoint--
the original PowerPoint

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didn't have this figure.

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This is taken out of
a new Voet and Voet--

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the newest Voet and Voet--
which I think better

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describes what's going on.

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But really sort of
what you need to know

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is you form these
particles, chylomicrons,

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if you look at
the handout I gave

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you have lots of proteins, all
kinds of lipids, cholesterol.

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And they get into
the bloodstream

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and they pass off as they
go through adipocytes

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or as they go through muscle.

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The surface of these cells
have lipases, phospholipases

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that can clip off
the fatty acids

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that you need for
metabolism at most cells.

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And what happens is the size
of these particles just change.

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And so in the end, you
remove the triacylglycerols

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and you remove phospholipids.

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And what you're left with
is more of a cholesterol.

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And that-- and so what happens
is the chylomicrons change

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size.

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They call them the remnants.

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And there are receptors
on liver cells, which

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can take up these remnants,
these lipoprotein remnants.

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And then they repackage them
into other lipoproteins.

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And again, the differences
in the lipoproteins

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we talked about very
briefly, we have an outline.

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Somebody measured these with a--

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again, they're variable, but
they're based on density.

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And so the liver
repackages these things

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to a particle that's very
low density, lipoprotein.

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And then again, they
can dump off components

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into the tissues where you
can use the lipids to do

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metabolism, changing the
size, intermediate density,

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eventually low density
lipoprotein which

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is what we're focused on now.

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And then today
what we're focused

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on is how does the low density
lipoprotein get taken up

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by the liver?

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And also, can it get taken
up by other kinds of cells?

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And if you have excess
cholesterol produced

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in any of these
extrahepatic cells,

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it can be taken up to form
particles called high density

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lipoproteins.

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And they can come back.

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So they act as
cholesterol scavengers,

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come back and deliver
it back into the liver

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by a mechanism that is really
different from what we're going

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to be talking about today.

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So that's the overview picture.

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And so what I want
to do now is focus

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on the question, why do
we care about cholesterol

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and what was the
motivator for Brown

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and Goldstein's discovery of
the low density lipoprotein

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receptor.

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So this is the motivator.

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They were seeing when they
were at medical school,

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a number of children that
presented at an early age.

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These guys were six and eight.

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And the way they
present, if they turn out

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to have both genes,
both copies of the gene

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are messed up for low
density lipoprotein

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receptor, that's called
familial hypercholesterolemia.

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The way they present is they
have these little xanthomases

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that are apparently yellow.

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And what they are is
they're full of cholesterol.

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OK, and so if you have
someone that's heterozygous

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rather than homozygous--

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these guys are homozygous--

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you still see these
but you see it

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at a much later
time in their life.

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And so again, what it is,
it's a function of the fact

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that you have too
much cholesterol

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and this is the way--

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one of the ways--
it manifests itself.

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The second way it
manifests itself

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is if you look at the
concentration of low density

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lipoprotein and
the plasma, which

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is given in milligrams
for 100 mils, what you see

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is the concentrations
of cholesterol

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are actually 5 to
10 times higher.

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So that's the manifestation.

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And children that
manifest at this early age

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die of heart attacks
by the time they're 30.

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And so this was the motivator.

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They were trying to figure
out what is the basis

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or bases for this disease.

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So that's what I said.

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This is a dominant effect.

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At the time, the gene or
genes responsible for this

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were not known.

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It turns out from the data that
I've gotten from some paper,

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one in 500 people
are heterozygotes.

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That's quite
prevalent, actually.

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But the ones that
manifest themselves

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in this really
terrible way early on

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is something like
one in a million.

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And so-- but even
the heterozygotes,

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Brown and Goldstein study
all of these people,

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also manifest in this way.

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They have elevated
cholesterol levels.

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And so this was
is a huge problem.

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And so they decided they
wanted to really devote

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their life to it.

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And I think they didn't
know this in the beginning,

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but it's really
associated with one gene.

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Most diseases are much
more complicated than that.

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And so I think because of the,
quote, "simplicity" unquote,

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you'll see it's
not so simple, they

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were able to make progress.

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And these experiments
were carried out really

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sort of in the--

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started in the 1970s.

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So I think Brown and Goldstein--
we talked about the cholesterol

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biosynthetic pathway.

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And we talked about
what was rate limiting.

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So hopefully you all know
that the rate limiting step

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is the reduction of
hydroxymethylglutaryl CoA down.

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So the CoA is reduced all
the way down to an alcohol

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and that product
is mevalonic acid.

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And if you can't
remember this, you

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should pull out the
biosynthetic pathway.

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And that was proposed to
be by other people working

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in this field to be
the rate limiting

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step in this overall process.

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And when you take an
introductory course

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in biochemistry, you
talk about regulation.

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I guess it depends
on who's teaching it,

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how much you talk
about regulation.

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But of course, one of the
major mechanisms of regulation

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that's sort of easy to
understand in some fashion,

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is that oftentimes the
end product of a pathway

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can come back way
at the beginning

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and inhibit the pathway.

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So that's called
feedback inhibition.

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We saw that cholesterol
biosynthesis was 30 steps.

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And if you go back and you
look at the pathway, you know,

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I think this is
step four or five.

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I can't remember
which one it is.

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And so the model was--

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and there was some evidence
that suggested that

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from what had been done
in the literature--

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that cholesterol was potentially
acting as a feedback inhibitor.

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And that's what their original
working hypothesis was.

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So the hypothesis was--

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this is how they started it out.

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And what we'll do is just
look at a few experiments

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of how they were trying
to test their hypothesis

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and then how they change
their hypothesis to come up

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with a new model for
cholesterol regulation.

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So you start out with
acetyl CoA and you

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go through mevalonic acid.

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And then we get to cholesterol.

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And so the model was that--

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this is HMG reductase-- that
this was a feedback inhibitor.

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And that it inhibited by
allosteric regulation.

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And that's true
of many pathways.

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And often, that's one
out of many mechanisms

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that are involved in regulation.

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So the first
problem they faced--

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and for those of
you who want to read

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about this in more detail,
the original experiments,

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I'm just going to present
a few simple experiments

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and I'm going to present
them in a simple way.

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OK, everything with human
cells is more complicated

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than the way I'm presenting it.

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But for those of you would
like to read a little bit more

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about the actual
experiments, there

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are two papers that I think
are particularly compelling.

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And in previous years, I've
actually used these papers

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in recitation.

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OK, so this is one of them.

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I'll put the other
one up later on so

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that you can look
at the detail, more

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about the experimental details.

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And I think in these particular
experiments, what you're

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being introduced to, which
most students don't experience,

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is the fact that you have--

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all you do with these insoluble
membrane-like proteins

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and how do you deal
with membrane proteins.

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Most of us-- I haven't had any
experience with this at all.

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So this week's
recitation, for example,

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sort of shows you what
they had to go through

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to be able to answer
these questions.

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And it's complicated.

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And I think reading the
experimental details

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in the end, if you're going
to do something like this,

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this provides a nice
blueprint of how you try--

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how you try to
design experiments.

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And you'll see some
of the complexity

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from the few experiments I'm
just going to briefly describe.

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OK, so what they needed
was a model system.

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And of course, you can't
do experiments on humans.

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So what they wanted to
do was have some kind

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of tissue culture system.

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So they wanted a model system.

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And there was some
evidence in the literature

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that human fibroblast
skin cells were actually

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able to biosynthesize
cholesterol.

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So they wanted to
ask the question,

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do these skin cells
recapitulate what

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people had seen from the
biological studies in humans?

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And so the first
experiments I'll show you,

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does recapitulate that.

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It didn't have to.

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But then this
became their model,

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human fibroblast
cells became the model

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for which they're carrying
out all of these experiments

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that we're going to
very briefly look at.

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OK, so the experiments,
I think, are simple,

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at least on the surface.

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Although I think it wasn't
so easy to figure out

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how to do these experiments.

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So what they wanted to
do, they had patients--

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whoops.

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I didn't want to do that.

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Anyhow, sorry I'm wasting time.

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OK, this patient is JD.

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And all of the experiments
I'm going to show you is JD.

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But they had 25 other patients.

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And what you'll see is they
all manifest themselves

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in different ways.

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And we're going to see
that that, in the end,

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becomes important in sorting
out really what was going on.

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OK, so the first set
of experiments they did

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was the following.

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So they had some kind
of normal control.

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And then so we have a normal--

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so we have skin cells
from a normal person.

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And this is the control.

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And then you have
the FH patient, JD.

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And in the two papers
I'm going to reference,

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they did a lot of experiments
on JD's fibroblasts.

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And so they did some
simple experiments.

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And remember, the
rate limiting step

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is proposed to be
hydroxymethyl--

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HMG CoA reductase.

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And so they wanted
to first ask what

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happens if you treat the cells,
so you have them growing.

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OK, and you let them grow
for a certain period of days.

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And then what you do
is you take the media,

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change it, and remove
low density lipoproteins

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from the media.

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I don't know whether
they removed them all.

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They said they removed 5%.

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I don't know what the
percent that was there.

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And so we're going
to do that for both

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the experiment and the control.

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So this is the experiment.

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This is the normal person.

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This is the experiment,
the FH patient.

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And if you look at the
axis in measuring HMG CoA

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reductase activity.

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So what they're going to do
is look at plus or minus LDL.

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So in this panel, they've
removed the LDL, OK?

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And if we remove the LDL,
you remove the cholesterol,

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what might you expect to happen
to the normal HMG CoA reductase

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levels or activities?

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If you remove the
cholesterol from the plasma,

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what might you expect to
happen to the activity?

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What would you want to do?

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Would you want to turn it on?

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Would you want to turn it off?

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STUDENT: Turn on.

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JOANNE STUBBE:
Turn it on, right.

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So that's what they're
going to be assaying.

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They remove it and if you
look at the normal patient,

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the normal control,
what's going to happen

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is the biosynthesis
is turned on.

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So it'll look at this,
then, you need to have--

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and this goes back to the things
we've talked about a little bit

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about in class--

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and in fact, the
original recitation

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that we had on
radioactivity was completely

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focused on Brown and
Goldstein's work.

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So we're going to see that
they use a lot of radioactivity

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and all the assays I'm going
to be describing today.

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So what we're going to be doing
is revisiting radioisotopes.

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They couldn't have done that
without these radioisotopes.

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And this is converted to this.

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OK, what's the cofactor
for this reaction?

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So, I'm not going to
draw up the rest of this.

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This is mevalonic acid.

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What's the cofactor
required for this process?

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Any DPH.

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So you have any DPH.

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OK, so how would you assay this?

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So we're doing this now
in tissue culture systems.

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That's what-- we are doing this
in fibroblast cells in tissue

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culture.

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So we don't have
very much material.

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You might have a
plateful of cells.

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How would you do the assay?

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So this is the first thing
you have to figure out.

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And I would say, almost
everything in this class,

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when you're studying
the biology,

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first thing you have to do
is figure out a robust assay.

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This case, I think it
turned out to be quite easy.

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But it's not necessarily
easy in many cases.

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So this is something,
as a chemist,

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you bring a lot to the table.

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Yeah?

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STUDENT: You would
measure the change

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in the absorption at 340.

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JOANNE STUBBE: 340.

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So that's the way
chemists would do that.

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Why can't you do that here?

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STUDENT: You have to isolate
the HMG CoA reductase

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or somehow be able to
parse it from everything--

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JOANNE STUBBE:
Well, you might be

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able to do it in crude extracts
if you had a lot of it.

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But it's tough.

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NADPH is used in
hundreds of reactions.

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It's a great assay because the
absorption change is removed

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from where most of
the material absorbs,

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which is, you know,
280, 260, 280.

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It's not that sensitive.

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The extinction coefficient is
6,300 molar inverse centimeter

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inverse.

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And the bottom line
is if you look at it,

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it's nowhere near
sensitive enough.

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So if it's not sensitive enough,
then what do you need to go to?

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That's what-- the radioactivity.

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So what you're going
to be doing here is--

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so you could use either 14c--

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hopefully you remember that's
a beta emitter, which then gets

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converted into mevalonic acid.

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And then you need a way of
separating starting material

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from products.

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And there are many ways
that one could do that.

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But in the original
paper, they use TLC.

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And that's how they
monitored their reactions.

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And you need to
have material that's

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of hot enough radioactivity
so you can see these

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into conversion.

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So that's the assay
that they used.

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And so in the PowerPoint,
I decided not to draw out.

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So if you PowerPoint, you look
at the data, what do you see?

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What you see is that if
you look at the experiment

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where they removed
the low density

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lipoprotein from the media--

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so they've taken it out.

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They've grown the
cells they have HMG CoA

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reductase activity.

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What do you see immediately--

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and the control and
the patient's cells

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are growing exactly
the same way.

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What do you see immediately?

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You see a huge difference
in the amount of activity.

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So this is 2.

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This 150 or something.

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And so there could be a number
of reasons for all of that.

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And so the question is, what
is the basis for this increase

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in activity due to
increased huge amount,

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the amount of HMG CoA reductase.

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Has the activity changed?

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Is there a mutation that
changes the activity?

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There are lots of explanations.

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And so what they then did,
when they remove this,

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they started doing
assays over 24 hours.

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And they crack open the cells
and do this radioactive assay.

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And then they looked at the rate
of formation of mevalonic acid.

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And so what do you see
with the normal control?

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You see exactly what
you might predict.

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So if the cholesterol
levels become low,

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you might want to
biosynthesize it.

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But then what do you see with
a homozygote, the JD patient?

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What you see is the
levels start out

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high you have complete
absence of regulation

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by changing the
concentration of cholesterol.

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That's what you're seeing.

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So it seems like a
simple experiment.

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It is a simple experiment.

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The basis for these observations
is still open to debate.

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But the experiment turned
out to be straightforward.

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Then what they did
is at 24 hours,

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they then started adding
low density lipoprotein back

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into the media.

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So they start over
here, they removed it.

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They add it back.

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Here's with non.

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Here's with two
micrograms per mL.

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Here's with 20
micrograms per mL.

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And what do you see
with a normal patient?

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With a normal control?

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What you see with the normal
control is a loss of activity.

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So that's exactly what you would
expect that cholesterol-- you

00:21:51.600 --> 00:21:54.930
have a lot of cholesterol, you
don't need to make it anymore.

00:21:54.930 --> 00:21:58.410
So this data, then, this
simple data told you--

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the control told
you that minus LDL,

00:22:05.890 --> 00:22:13.210
you increased HMGR activity.

00:22:16.630 --> 00:22:24.390
And plus LDL, you
decreased activity.

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And what about the patient?

00:22:26.710 --> 00:22:30.400
The FH JD patient?

00:22:30.400 --> 00:22:36.310
So here what you see is
that removing cholesterol

00:22:36.310 --> 00:22:38.600
from the plasma has no effect.

00:22:38.600 --> 00:22:40.570
What about adding it back?

00:22:40.570 --> 00:22:42.400
Has no effect.

00:22:42.400 --> 00:22:46.470
So somehow the patient is--

00:22:46.470 --> 00:22:50.200
the patient's cells is oblivious
to the presence or absence

00:22:50.200 --> 00:22:51.800
of cholesterol.

00:22:51.800 --> 00:22:59.140
So in this case, plus or
minus LDL had no effect.

00:23:02.460 --> 00:23:09.380
So we say loss of
cholesterol regulation, which

00:23:09.380 --> 00:23:12.890
could be due to
feedback inhibition,

00:23:12.890 --> 00:23:14.390
it could be due
to something else.

00:23:14.390 --> 00:23:18.060
We'll see it is due
to something else.

00:23:18.060 --> 00:23:21.050
And so this was consistent
with what they predicted.

00:23:21.050 --> 00:23:25.700
And they furthermore learned
that these fibroblast cells

00:23:25.700 --> 00:23:28.550
might be a good model
for actually studying

00:23:28.550 --> 00:23:29.810
what's going on in the liver.

00:23:29.810 --> 00:23:31.268
I mean, you always
have this issue.

00:23:31.268 --> 00:23:34.130
You have to figure out what
you can study as a model system

00:23:34.130 --> 00:23:36.320
since we don't
work on the humans.

00:23:36.320 --> 00:23:38.630
And so you always have
to worry about how

00:23:38.630 --> 00:23:42.110
that extrapolates to humans.

00:23:42.110 --> 00:23:51.390
So basically, you're looking
at cholesterol in the media.

00:23:51.390 --> 00:23:55.050
You're looking at
cholesterol not in the media.

00:23:55.050 --> 00:23:58.720
And these are the experiments
we just described.

00:23:58.720 --> 00:24:01.350
And so one of the
questions you can ask,

00:24:01.350 --> 00:24:06.990
then, is what happens now?

00:24:06.990 --> 00:24:09.900
Another thing that can
happen is what if cholesterol

00:24:09.900 --> 00:24:11.590
can't get into the cell?

00:24:11.590 --> 00:24:14.850
So what they did is another
experiment where they--

00:24:14.850 --> 00:24:18.300
they did two things to look
at the HMG CoA reductase

00:24:18.300 --> 00:24:25.620
activity in the normal
control and in the FH patient.

00:24:25.620 --> 00:24:29.010
And one of them was they
repeated this experiment

00:24:29.010 --> 00:24:30.810
in the presence
of ethanol, where

00:24:30.810 --> 00:24:32.550
they dissolved the cholesterol.

00:24:32.550 --> 00:24:35.700
And apparently that
allows the cholesterol

00:24:35.700 --> 00:24:37.730
to get across the membrane.

00:24:37.730 --> 00:24:39.900
OK, so we're
bypassing what we now

00:24:39.900 --> 00:24:42.030
know is going to be a receptor.

00:24:42.030 --> 00:24:47.640
So they did a second
experiment and they

00:24:47.640 --> 00:24:52.330
used ethanol cholesterol.

00:24:52.330 --> 00:24:54.100
And it goes across membrane.

00:24:58.260 --> 00:25:02.340
And then they looked at the
HMG CoA reductase activity.

00:25:02.340 --> 00:25:06.660
And the activity of both the
patient and the normal controls

00:25:06.660 --> 00:25:07.980
was the same.

00:25:07.980 --> 00:25:18.360
OK, so the activity,
HMGR activity the same.

00:25:18.360 --> 00:25:21.030
They don't report the
details of this experiment.

00:25:21.030 --> 00:25:23.160
But another way you
could do this is you

00:25:23.160 --> 00:25:26.610
could pull out the protein
or partially purify

00:25:26.610 --> 00:25:28.920
the protein in crude
extracts and try to measure

00:25:28.920 --> 00:25:31.800
the activity using this assay.

00:25:31.800 --> 00:25:35.520
And if you have a good measure
of the amount of protein, which

00:25:35.520 --> 00:25:38.780
is key, so you can
measure specific activity,

00:25:38.780 --> 00:25:41.160
micromoles of product or
nanomoles of product produced

00:25:41.160 --> 00:25:43.890
per minute per
milligram of protein,

00:25:43.890 --> 00:25:49.140
you could actually see
that the HMG CoA reductase

00:25:49.140 --> 00:25:55.850
activity was the same in
the wild type in the normal

00:25:55.850 --> 00:25:56.700
and in the patient.

00:25:56.700 --> 00:26:02.770
So you could also
measure this using assay.

00:26:02.770 --> 00:26:06.690
And again, the
result was that they

00:26:06.690 --> 00:26:10.110
were the same in both the
normal and the patient.

00:26:10.110 --> 00:26:12.960
So then the elevated
levels could be--

00:26:12.960 --> 00:26:15.895
elevated levels, you saw in the
very beginning of the HMG CoA

00:26:15.895 --> 00:26:17.770
reductase activity,
could be due to the fact,

00:26:17.770 --> 00:26:20.040
they had a huge
amount of protein,

00:26:20.040 --> 00:26:22.440
more so than you do
with the fibroblasts.

00:26:22.440 --> 00:26:25.120
And so, there's no
reason to think a prior

00:26:25.120 --> 00:26:29.430
if you looked at that previous
slide, that the control,

00:26:29.430 --> 00:26:31.080
that normal control
in the wild type--

00:26:31.080 --> 00:26:34.200
I don't know what the scatter
is in the data for HMG reductase

00:26:34.200 --> 00:26:36.730
activities, but that's something
you need to think about.

00:26:36.730 --> 00:26:40.320
But a 60-fold change
is a huge change.

00:26:40.320 --> 00:26:43.290
So this data, the
initial set of data

00:26:43.290 --> 00:26:46.320
said that, yeah,
cholesterol may be

00:26:46.320 --> 00:26:48.450
acting as a feedback inhibitor.

00:26:48.450 --> 00:26:50.820
But here, we can get
cholesterol into the cell

00:26:50.820 --> 00:26:52.680
and the activities are the same.

00:26:52.680 --> 00:26:57.980
So they needed to come up with
an alternative hypothesis.

00:26:57.980 --> 00:27:03.120
OK, so they then, using
these two sets of data,

00:27:03.120 --> 00:27:07.780
came up with an
alternative hypothesis.

00:27:07.780 --> 00:27:18.250
So they concluded that it's
not cholesterol feed back

00:27:18.250 --> 00:27:19.030
regulated.

00:27:22.310 --> 00:27:27.000
And so then they set out to
do a second set of experiments

00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:28.810
based on a new hypothesis.

00:27:34.220 --> 00:27:36.900
And the new hypothesis
is that there

00:27:36.900 --> 00:27:40.530
would be some protein
that might be involved

00:27:40.530 --> 00:27:44.540
in taking up the LDL
particle, which has

00:27:44.540 --> 00:27:46.420
a cholesterol into the cell.

00:27:46.420 --> 00:27:51.900
So the new hypothesis was
there is an LDL receptor,

00:27:51.900 --> 00:27:53.340
so r is receptor.

00:27:53.340 --> 00:27:56.760
That's how I'm going
to abbreviate it.

00:27:56.760 --> 00:28:07.980
That's key to taking up LDL.

00:28:07.980 --> 00:28:12.120
And so that's what's shown here.

00:28:12.120 --> 00:28:16.200
And so then the question
is, what sets of experiments

00:28:16.200 --> 00:28:17.110
do they do next.

00:28:17.110 --> 00:28:20.880
So this is a second
set of experiments

00:28:20.880 --> 00:28:25.620
that was done in a paper
that's also quite interesting.

00:28:25.620 --> 00:28:27.180
And so, for those
of you who want

00:28:27.180 --> 00:28:39.150
to look at the details of this,
this was published in 1976.

00:28:39.150 --> 00:28:41.730
And so this is where the data
that I'm going to show you

00:28:41.730 --> 00:28:43.260
on this slide came from.

00:28:43.260 --> 00:28:46.590
Because I think they actually
put it in one of the two review

00:28:46.590 --> 00:28:48.230
articles I gave you to read.

00:28:48.230 --> 00:28:49.980
But if you want to
read the original data,

00:28:49.980 --> 00:28:51.510
the papers aren't that long.

00:28:51.510 --> 00:28:54.150
And they go through the
details of the rationale of how

00:28:54.150 --> 00:28:57.030
they design their experiments.

00:28:57.030 --> 00:28:59.910
OK, so what we want
to do now is test

00:28:59.910 --> 00:29:05.840
the idea that to get
cholesterol into the cell,

00:29:05.840 --> 00:29:07.965
there is an LDL receptor.

00:29:12.290 --> 00:29:15.380
And that that's going to play
a key role in controlling

00:29:15.380 --> 00:29:16.400
cholesterol levels.

00:29:16.400 --> 00:29:18.340
That was the working hypothesis.

00:29:18.340 --> 00:29:22.350
OK, so how would you go about
testing this experimentally?

00:29:22.350 --> 00:29:26.180
So these are the results
of the experiments.

00:29:26.180 --> 00:29:28.460
And the question
is, how would you

00:29:28.460 --> 00:29:30.650
go about testing
this experimentally

00:29:30.650 --> 00:29:33.030
if this were your hypothesis?

00:29:33.030 --> 00:29:38.150
And so if you think about
it, you might like to know,

00:29:38.150 --> 00:29:42.050
does the LDL particle bind
to the surface of the cell?

00:29:42.050 --> 00:29:42.980
Does it bind?

00:29:42.980 --> 00:29:46.130
OK, so that would be
one thing you could do.

00:29:46.130 --> 00:29:48.920
And in fact, Brown
and Goldstein were

00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:50.330
treating many, many patients.

00:29:50.330 --> 00:29:54.320
So they had fibroblasts for many
patients, 20 to 25 patients.

00:29:54.320 --> 00:29:56.300
They all had
different phenotypes.

00:29:56.300 --> 00:29:57.710
And again, these
were differences

00:29:57.710 --> 00:29:59.870
in the phenotypes
actually helped them

00:29:59.870 --> 00:30:03.380
to try to dissect this process.

00:30:03.380 --> 00:30:06.290
And so could it bind?

00:30:06.290 --> 00:30:08.922
And so we can ask the question,
how would we look at binding?

00:30:08.922 --> 00:30:10.380
I'm going to ask
you that question.

00:30:10.380 --> 00:30:12.380
We're going to have a
recitation on binding,

00:30:12.380 --> 00:30:16.550
I think, not this
week, but next week.

00:30:16.550 --> 00:30:19.520
Then it gets into the cell.

00:30:19.520 --> 00:30:21.530
OK, so how do you know
it gets into the cell?

00:30:24.270 --> 00:30:26.190
And so that's another question.

00:30:26.190 --> 00:30:27.720
Inside, outside.

00:30:27.720 --> 00:30:30.240
And then the next
question is, what is LDL?

00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:33.360
Hopefully you remember
it's a lipoprotein that has

00:30:33.360 --> 00:30:36.360
a single protein on it, apoB.

00:30:36.360 --> 00:30:39.320
And then it's full with
cholesterol, cholesterol

00:30:39.320 --> 00:30:41.400
esters, and phospholipids.

00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:44.610
What happens to that stuff
once it's inside the cell?

00:30:44.610 --> 00:30:47.760
OK, so those are the
questions in this experiment

00:30:47.760 --> 00:30:49.650
that they set out to ask.

00:30:49.650 --> 00:30:53.070
OK, so what I want to do--

00:30:53.070 --> 00:31:10.160
so binding,
internalization, and then

00:31:10.160 --> 00:31:15.600
the fate of LDL inside the cell.

00:31:15.600 --> 00:31:18.050
So that's what they
were focused on.

00:31:18.050 --> 00:31:23.270
So what I want to do
is show you the tools

00:31:23.270 --> 00:31:26.630
that they developed to try
to answer these questions.

00:31:26.630 --> 00:31:28.760
OK, I'm going to show you
a few things because this

00:31:28.760 --> 00:31:32.100
isn't such an easy set of
experiments to carry out.

00:31:32.100 --> 00:31:34.970
And then what they observed
on the normal cells

00:31:34.970 --> 00:31:37.110
and the patient cells.

00:31:37.110 --> 00:31:44.660
OK, so the tools that I want to
talk about are the following.

00:31:44.660 --> 00:31:48.440
OK, so we just talked about
the fact that, to do the assay,

00:31:48.440 --> 00:31:50.240
we needed radioactivity.

00:31:50.240 --> 00:31:52.910
We needed to be
sensitive enough.

00:31:52.910 --> 00:31:56.108
If you're going to be looking
at binding on the surface,

00:31:56.108 --> 00:31:56.900
how do you do that?

00:31:56.900 --> 00:31:58.670
Do you think there are
a lot of receptors?

00:31:58.670 --> 00:32:00.980
Are there a few receptors?

00:32:00.980 --> 00:32:02.370
So you might not know that.

00:32:02.370 --> 00:32:05.700
But in general, there aren't
huge numbers of receptors.

00:32:05.700 --> 00:32:08.840
So measuring binding to the
surface of the cell usually

00:32:08.840 --> 00:32:11.510
requires a very sensitive assay.

00:32:11.510 --> 00:32:14.060
So the first thing
they needed to do

00:32:14.060 --> 00:32:16.340
was they decided
that they needed

00:32:16.340 --> 00:32:19.910
to make the LDL radial labels.

00:32:19.910 --> 00:32:22.220
And if you go back and you
look through your notes

00:32:22.220 --> 00:32:26.660
in recitation three where we
talked about radioactivity,

00:32:26.660 --> 00:32:29.780
we saw that we have
beta, c14 beta, which

00:32:29.780 --> 00:32:31.070
is what they used up there.

00:32:31.070 --> 00:32:35.810
But they also used i125,
which is a gamma, which

00:32:35.810 --> 00:32:37.590
is much more sensitive.

00:32:37.590 --> 00:32:40.670
And so what they decided
they needed to make

00:32:40.670 --> 00:32:44.630
was i125 labeled LDL.

00:32:44.630 --> 00:32:46.970
So if you haven't
radio labeled, can you

00:32:46.970 --> 00:32:50.240
somehow see it sitting on
the surface of the cell?

00:32:50.240 --> 00:32:53.150
So the question is,
how can you do that?

00:32:53.150 --> 00:32:54.980
Well, we talked
about the composition

00:32:54.980 --> 00:32:58.070
of the LDL particle.

00:32:58.070 --> 00:32:59.710
There is cholesterol.

00:32:59.710 --> 00:33:04.010
There's cholesterol esters,
phospholipids, and one protein.

00:33:04.010 --> 00:33:06.830
And so what they're doing
to put the iodine in

00:33:06.830 --> 00:33:09.970
is putting it into
only the protein.

00:33:09.970 --> 00:33:15.110
OK, so what they use
is a method called

00:33:15.110 --> 00:33:23.120
Bolton Hunter, which uses radial
level iodide and a reagent.

00:33:23.120 --> 00:33:24.502
I'm not going to go through--

00:33:24.502 --> 00:33:26.210
you can look it up if
you're interested--

00:33:26.210 --> 00:33:28.310
I'm not going to go
through the details.

00:33:28.310 --> 00:33:32.430
And what it does is
it takes a protein--

00:33:32.430 --> 00:33:34.950
this is still
actually widely used.

00:33:34.950 --> 00:33:35.890
So this would be apoB.

00:33:38.910 --> 00:33:43.070
And it iodinates at
the ortho position.

00:33:43.070 --> 00:33:53.960
So what you end up with,
then, is iodinated apoB.

00:33:53.960 --> 00:33:56.120
So that's going
to be your handle.

00:33:56.120 --> 00:34:00.560
You can make this a very
high, specific activity.

00:34:00.560 --> 00:34:03.140
OK, so that's one thing
that they needed to do.

00:34:03.140 --> 00:34:06.860
OK, the second thing
that they needed to do

00:34:06.860 --> 00:34:11.588
is if they're going to look
for binding to the surface,

00:34:11.588 --> 00:34:13.130
how would you design
that experiment?

00:34:13.130 --> 00:34:15.830
What might you need
to do to figure out

00:34:15.830 --> 00:34:19.280
how you're going to look
at binding only and not

00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:22.710
binding and uptake?

00:34:22.710 --> 00:34:26.580
What parameter could you change
that would help you do that?

00:34:26.580 --> 00:34:27.150
Temperature.

00:34:27.150 --> 00:34:29.850
So everything-- and
you'll see this also

00:34:29.850 --> 00:34:34.420
in experiments this week-- the
temperature is really critical.

00:34:34.420 --> 00:34:34.920
Why?

00:34:34.920 --> 00:34:39.389
Because hopefully you all know
lipid bilayers are very fluid.

00:34:39.389 --> 00:34:40.889
And if you cool the
temperature, you

00:34:40.889 --> 00:34:42.940
prevent uptake and other things.

00:34:42.940 --> 00:34:44.190
You have to test all this out.

00:34:44.190 --> 00:34:46.750
They did a huge
number of controls.

00:34:46.750 --> 00:34:49.400
So the second thing
that they wanted to do

00:34:49.400 --> 00:34:52.900
is they used temperature.

00:34:52.900 --> 00:34:58.110
So four degrees, they're going
to use to look at binding.

00:34:58.110 --> 00:35:00.750
Or if they're looking at
a time course and they

00:35:00.750 --> 00:35:03.720
want to stop the reaction,
and the reaction is normally

00:35:03.720 --> 00:35:05.420
done at 37 degrees--

00:35:05.420 --> 00:35:14.280
so uptake experiments
would be at 37 degrees.

00:35:14.280 --> 00:35:17.700
OK, so again, temperature
is the key parameter.

00:35:17.700 --> 00:35:19.440
You could, if you
wanted to a time course

00:35:19.440 --> 00:35:22.620
and stop the reaction, you could
cool with down to four degrees.

00:35:22.620 --> 00:35:27.720
I mean, this was a
hypothesis they had.

00:35:27.720 --> 00:35:33.210
And so that's the second tool
that they're going to use.

00:35:33.210 --> 00:35:37.380
And the third tool, which I
think isn't necessarily so

00:35:37.380 --> 00:35:40.440
intuitive, is if you're
looking at something binding

00:35:40.440 --> 00:35:42.540
on the surface, you
have to always worry

00:35:42.540 --> 00:35:44.430
about non-specific binding.

00:35:44.430 --> 00:35:46.710
You'll talk about that
in the recitation.

00:35:46.710 --> 00:35:48.560
On this that's always a problem.

00:35:48.560 --> 00:35:51.130
You're using really hot,
iodine-labeled materials,

00:35:51.130 --> 00:35:53.670
so you could get neuron
specific binding.

00:35:53.670 --> 00:35:56.280
And so how do you-- so
you need to wash it.

00:35:56.280 --> 00:36:03.300
So if the LDL particle bound
loosely to the LDL receptor,

00:36:03.300 --> 00:36:05.220
that makes the problem
extremely challenging

00:36:05.220 --> 00:36:08.250
because when you're trying to
wash away the excess as you

00:36:08.250 --> 00:36:10.860
change the concentration
of the LDL,

00:36:10.860 --> 00:36:12.152
you're going to start to lose--

00:36:12.152 --> 00:36:13.610
you're going to
have an equilibrium

00:36:13.610 --> 00:36:15.830
and you're going to
start to lose binding.

00:36:15.830 --> 00:36:17.960
It binds really
tightly so they had

00:36:17.960 --> 00:36:19.330
to have some kind of a wash.

00:36:19.330 --> 00:36:21.670
So they figured out
and optimized a wash.

00:36:21.670 --> 00:36:22.795
So you need to have a wash.

00:36:25.470 --> 00:36:28.950
So if you have a
wash and then you're

00:36:28.950 --> 00:36:34.290
still looking at the receptor
with the particle bound--

00:36:34.290 --> 00:36:37.890
so that's the LDL-LDL receptor--
then the question is--

00:36:37.890 --> 00:36:39.360
and it's tight binding--

00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:42.180
how do you get that off?

00:36:42.180 --> 00:36:46.590
And remember, you're
also going to have

00:36:46.590 --> 00:36:50.100
LDL that's been internalized.

00:36:50.100 --> 00:36:53.430
So the creative
approach they used

00:36:53.430 --> 00:36:55.790
was to use the molecule heparin.

00:36:55.790 --> 00:36:57.212
OK, so heparin--

00:36:57.212 --> 00:36:58.920
I'm not going to draw
out the structure--

00:36:58.920 --> 00:37:01.485
but this is a third
tool and this was key.

00:37:05.280 --> 00:37:09.480
And so they have
heparin-sensitive

00:37:09.480 --> 00:37:11.020
and heparin-resistant.

00:37:14.130 --> 00:37:15.130
And what does this mean?

00:37:15.130 --> 00:37:19.630
Heparin turns out
to-- it's a sugar.

00:37:19.630 --> 00:37:22.960
Many of you have
probably heard about it.

00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:25.240
It plays a key role
in blood coagulation.

00:37:25.240 --> 00:37:27.490
But anyhow, from the point
of view of today's lecture,

00:37:27.490 --> 00:37:29.160
you just need to
know it's a sugar

00:37:29.160 --> 00:37:31.460
and it's got sulfates all
over the outside of it.

00:37:31.460 --> 00:37:33.130
So it's negatively charged.

00:37:33.130 --> 00:37:36.910
So heparin is a sulfated sugar.

00:37:42.270 --> 00:37:46.680
So basically, you have something
like this with SO3 minuses

00:37:46.680 --> 00:37:48.600
on the outside.

00:37:48.600 --> 00:37:51.930
And so what happens is if--

00:37:51.930 --> 00:37:55.170
what you want to do is
release the LDL particle

00:37:55.170 --> 00:37:57.780
from the receptor.

00:37:57.780 --> 00:38:01.590
And apparently, treatment with
heparin at certain levels--

00:38:01.590 --> 00:38:03.510
I think they tried
a lot of things--

00:38:03.510 --> 00:38:10.020
was able to release
the surface LDL.

00:38:10.020 --> 00:38:16.760
So this is involved in
release of surface bound.

00:38:23.170 --> 00:38:26.230
So then what you have left
after you release this,

00:38:26.230 --> 00:38:31.000
is you could still have radio
label that's been internalized.

00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:35.260
So that then becomes
heparin-resistant.

00:38:35.260 --> 00:38:36.450
And so you can count that.

00:38:39.220 --> 00:38:42.850
And so then you have
bound and internalized.

00:38:42.850 --> 00:38:46.990
Now, if you're studying
this as a function of time,

00:38:46.990 --> 00:38:51.010
what can happen to-- once you
internalize the LDL particle,

00:38:51.010 --> 00:38:56.050
what can happen to the
iodinated LDL particle?

00:38:56.050 --> 00:38:56.770
What can happen?

00:39:00.343 --> 00:39:01.760
So this is something
else you need

00:39:01.760 --> 00:39:04.010
to think about in these assays.

00:39:04.010 --> 00:39:14.500
So now we have internalized
LDL, i125 label.

00:39:14.500 --> 00:39:18.775
What can happen-- if you
remember from recitation

00:39:18.775 --> 00:39:21.025
this past week, you remember
what happened to the LDL?

00:39:24.840 --> 00:39:25.720
So you got protein.

00:39:25.720 --> 00:39:26.470
You got lipids.

00:39:26.470 --> 00:39:27.260
What's going to happen?

00:39:27.260 --> 00:39:28.552
You might not know the details.

00:39:28.552 --> 00:39:30.040
That's what this whole--

00:39:30.040 --> 00:39:31.870
that's what Brian and
Goldstein uncovered,

00:39:31.870 --> 00:39:36.130
which we're going to talk
about in the next few minutes.

00:39:36.130 --> 00:39:37.760
But LDL, you have a protein.

00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:39.850
What can happen to proteins?

00:39:39.850 --> 00:39:41.290
They can get degraded.

00:39:41.290 --> 00:39:47.350
So if you have the apoB,
what can happen is inside

00:39:47.350 --> 00:39:51.010
the cells-- so this is inside--

00:39:51.010 --> 00:39:56.170
you could have proteases that
degrade this down to peptides.

00:39:56.170 --> 00:40:00.340
This happens in a
lysosol where you still

00:40:00.340 --> 00:40:03.810
have iodinated tyrosine.

00:40:03.810 --> 00:40:10.050
Or it can be broken down all the
way to just iodinated tyrosine.

00:40:10.050 --> 00:40:12.140
So if you're breaking this
down all the way here,

00:40:12.140 --> 00:40:16.728
the iodinated tyrosine
could likely exit the cell.

00:40:16.728 --> 00:40:18.270
So you need to really
think-- so what

00:40:18.270 --> 00:40:23.490
do you do to control for this
aspect of the metabolism?

00:40:23.490 --> 00:40:27.970
What happens to the
LDL inside the cell?

00:40:27.970 --> 00:40:33.660
And so to do this, how would
you distinguish LDL itself from,

00:40:33.660 --> 00:40:36.240
say--

00:40:36.240 --> 00:40:39.840
as a chemist, what could you
do to distinguish LDL protein

00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:45.220
from LDL on small peptides
or LDL as an amino acid?

00:40:45.220 --> 00:40:48.930
So the key question was,
what sort of bulk method

00:40:48.930 --> 00:40:52.470
do you use to try to distinguish
between these two things.

00:40:52.470 --> 00:40:55.350
So then you can incorporate
that into the analysis, which

00:40:55.350 --> 00:40:57.660
is what's on the slide here.

00:40:57.660 --> 00:41:01.980
So what happens if you treat
proteins in general with acid?

00:41:06.630 --> 00:41:07.140
They what?

00:41:07.140 --> 00:41:08.970
They hydrolize?

00:41:08.970 --> 00:41:11.640
So peptide bonds
are really strong.

00:41:11.640 --> 00:41:14.190
If you want to break
a peptide bond,

00:41:14.190 --> 00:41:17.880
you have to heat it for
16 hours at 100 degrees.

00:41:17.880 --> 00:41:19.350
So that's not going to happen.

00:41:19.350 --> 00:41:21.750
So that's not an option.

00:41:21.750 --> 00:41:22.800
But what else happens?

00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:27.210
What do you do when you
put a protein into acid?

00:41:27.210 --> 00:41:30.070
What happens to the protein?

00:41:30.070 --> 00:41:31.900
It what?

00:41:31.900 --> 00:41:33.160
Yeah, it crashes out.

00:41:33.160 --> 00:41:36.490
So proteins in general, not
all proteins, most proteins

00:41:36.490 --> 00:41:41.350
precipitate, but these kinds
of things would be soluble.

00:41:44.020 --> 00:41:46.160
So they've been able
to take advantage--

00:41:46.160 --> 00:41:49.120
so you have to, again, treat
the cells in a certain way so

00:41:49.120 --> 00:41:51.010
that you can look
at what's still

00:41:51.010 --> 00:41:58.300
retained in the LDL versus
what's undergone degradation.

00:41:58.300 --> 00:42:00.930
OK, we're going to see
that's key to the model we're

00:42:00.930 --> 00:42:01.870
going to come up with.

00:42:01.870 --> 00:42:06.200
OK, so those are the tools
that they needed to develop.

00:42:06.200 --> 00:42:10.710
And so the question is,
then, what did they observe?

00:42:10.710 --> 00:42:12.630
OK, so we're doing
these same experiments.

00:42:12.630 --> 00:42:15.840
We're looking for binding on
the outside, internalization,

00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:16.490
and breakdown.

00:42:16.490 --> 00:42:18.690
That's what we're looking for.

00:42:18.690 --> 00:42:25.290
And so here is the patient
and here is the control.

00:42:25.290 --> 00:42:30.400
So if we look at here,
these guys are the binding.

00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:33.970
So Brown and Goldstein,
in this particular paper,

00:42:33.970 --> 00:42:37.300
which is underneath here
but in the cell paper,

00:42:37.300 --> 00:42:38.960
looked at 22 patients.

00:42:38.960 --> 00:42:44.950
And out of the 22 patients, most
of them were binding deficient.

00:42:44.950 --> 00:42:47.240
They could see no
binding at all.

00:42:47.240 --> 00:42:51.220
Some of them were
binding modified.

00:42:51.220 --> 00:42:55.150
That is, they had lower
levels of binding.

00:42:55.150 --> 00:43:00.040
And this one patient,
JD, had normal binding.

00:43:00.040 --> 00:43:02.770
So in this experiment,
we're looking at here-- so

00:43:02.770 --> 00:43:11.380
in the PowerPoint, this
is one of 22 patients

00:43:11.380 --> 00:43:14.450
they had normal binding.

00:43:17.060 --> 00:43:18.890
And the others-- and
that's because we'll

00:43:18.890 --> 00:43:22.280
see that there are
multiple ways you can have

00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:24.380
defects in your LDL receptor.

00:43:24.380 --> 00:43:26.110
We'll come back to
that in a minute.

00:43:26.110 --> 00:43:32.300
But you can have
deficient binding

00:43:32.300 --> 00:43:33.540
or you could have no binding.

00:43:37.020 --> 00:43:39.780
Or you could have
normal binding.

00:43:39.780 --> 00:43:41.610
So those are all possible.

00:43:41.610 --> 00:43:44.850
And the one that we've
taken the data for here

00:43:44.850 --> 00:43:48.115
and that's described in the
paper, is normal binding.

00:43:48.115 --> 00:43:49.490
And they did a
lot of experiments

00:43:49.490 --> 00:43:52.260
I'm not describing
to try to show you

00:43:52.260 --> 00:43:55.650
that this experiment, which
suggests normal binding,

00:43:55.650 --> 00:43:56.910
is in fact normal binding.

00:43:56.910 --> 00:43:57.990
They looked at off rates.

00:43:57.990 --> 00:44:02.513
They looked at competition
with HDL and LDL.

00:44:02.513 --> 00:44:03.930
And so if you look
at that, if you

00:44:03.930 --> 00:44:06.570
look at the levels of
binding, they really

00:44:06.570 --> 00:44:11.500
aren't very different between
the experiment and the control.

00:44:11.500 --> 00:44:14.970
And so now what
happens, if you look

00:44:14.970 --> 00:44:19.200
at the normal, what
happens is with time,

00:44:19.200 --> 00:44:21.700
the LDL on the
surface goes away.

00:44:21.700 --> 00:44:24.840
And that's because it's
becoming internalized.

00:44:24.840 --> 00:44:26.970
Whereas down here, what happens?

00:44:26.970 --> 00:44:30.750
You started out the same,
but now you can see over--

00:44:30.750 --> 00:44:33.510
this is hours down
here, it really

00:44:33.510 --> 00:44:35.700
hasn't changed very much.

00:44:35.700 --> 00:44:37.830
It's not becoming internalized.

00:44:37.830 --> 00:44:39.870
And so then they wanted
to use their method

00:44:39.870 --> 00:44:43.620
to look at internalized LDL.

00:44:43.620 --> 00:44:48.540
And so internalized LDL,
using the heparin-resistant

00:44:48.540 --> 00:44:52.230
versus heparin-sensitive,
that's the assay they used,

00:44:52.230 --> 00:44:55.920
what you see is as the
surface binding at least early

00:44:55.920 --> 00:45:00.480
on decreases, the amount
internalized increases.

00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:04.120
But what happens over
here to the patient?

00:45:04.120 --> 00:45:07.460
With the patient, you
get nothing internalized.

00:45:07.460 --> 00:45:11.120
And the other question is,
what happens to the LDL--

00:45:11.120 --> 00:45:13.250
and it's labeled
on the protein--

00:45:13.250 --> 00:45:14.520
does that get degraded?

00:45:14.520 --> 00:45:16.880
And so using a
method with TCA, they

00:45:16.880 --> 00:45:19.760
used a couple of different
methods, what they see

00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:26.510
is that you slowly degrade
the protein into small pieces.

00:45:26.510 --> 00:45:30.030
And again, with the patient,
it's not internalized

00:45:30.030 --> 00:45:34.650
so you can't get degradation.

00:45:34.650 --> 00:45:38.660
So this type of experiment
with this particular patient

00:45:38.660 --> 00:45:45.950
and also with the other patients
that I talked about, one

00:45:45.950 --> 00:45:50.030
through 21, they drew
a strong conclusion

00:45:50.030 --> 00:45:54.590
that there are two things that
have to happen for cholesterol

00:45:54.590 --> 00:45:55.520
to get into the cell.

00:45:55.520 --> 00:45:57.320
Number one, it has to bind.

00:45:57.320 --> 00:45:59.480
And number two, there's
got to be some mechanism

00:45:59.480 --> 00:46:01.010
for internalization.

00:46:01.010 --> 00:46:08.980
So the conclusions from
this is we need binding,

00:46:08.980 --> 00:46:11.760
which is consistent
with the LDL receptor.

00:46:11.760 --> 00:46:17.310
And then we need, in some
way, internalization.

00:46:17.310 --> 00:46:22.200
And of course, JD was the
only one out of all of these

00:46:22.200 --> 00:46:25.670
patients where they can
study internalization

00:46:25.670 --> 00:46:28.320
because in the other patients
they didn't-- they had really

00:46:28.320 --> 00:46:31.560
poor binding or
no binding at all.

00:46:31.560 --> 00:46:34.080
So they needed to have
this spectrum of patients

00:46:34.080 --> 00:46:38.210
to be able to start to
sort out what was going on

00:46:38.210 --> 00:46:39.210
in these experiments.

00:46:39.210 --> 00:46:42.433
So I think on the surface,
the experiments look pretty--

00:46:42.433 --> 00:46:44.850
you'll look at them, they look
like they're really simple.

00:46:44.850 --> 00:46:47.580
But technically,
they're not so simple.

00:46:47.580 --> 00:46:50.460
And if you care about the
technical details, which we'll

00:46:50.460 --> 00:46:53.040
see again in this week's
recitation dealing

00:46:53.040 --> 00:46:55.860
with these membrane
proteins and stickiness,

00:46:55.860 --> 00:46:58.890
becomes the key how
creative you can be.

00:46:58.890 --> 00:47:03.363
And usually, we're not
really plugged into that.

00:47:03.363 --> 00:47:05.280
And you usually don't
do experiments like that

00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:07.080
unless you work in a
lab that is focused

00:47:07.080 --> 00:47:11.940
on membrane-bound proteins.

00:47:11.940 --> 00:47:14.960
So this resulted in the model.

00:47:14.960 --> 00:47:19.980
So this kind of experiment
and many other experiments

00:47:19.980 --> 00:47:31.890
resulted in the model for
receptor mediated endocytosis.

00:47:31.890 --> 00:47:34.140
And you've seen this before.

00:47:34.140 --> 00:47:37.170
You saw this in
recitation last week

00:47:37.170 --> 00:47:42.360
because we saw
interference with the PCSK9

00:47:42.360 --> 00:47:44.850
with receptor
mediated endocytosis.

00:47:44.850 --> 00:47:46.860
So we're back where
we started last week.

00:47:46.860 --> 00:47:49.980
And the first slide I
showed you was this slide.

00:47:49.980 --> 00:47:52.110
And so what is the model?

00:47:52.110 --> 00:47:54.690
So there are many,
many more experiments

00:47:54.690 --> 00:47:56.610
that have gone into
coming up with this model.

00:47:56.610 --> 00:47:59.670
And the model is really
still incomplete.

00:47:59.670 --> 00:48:02.640
I have a cartoon here,
the whole process,

00:48:02.640 --> 00:48:06.300
every step along the pathway,
how you go here and there

00:48:06.300 --> 00:48:09.420
and what the kinetics
are, it's all complicated.

00:48:09.420 --> 00:48:12.730
But this is the
working hypothesis.

00:48:12.730 --> 00:48:17.580
And so the first thing is
you make the LDL receptor.

00:48:17.580 --> 00:48:21.010
It's a membrane protein, has a
single transmembrane spanning

00:48:21.010 --> 00:48:21.510
region.

00:48:21.510 --> 00:48:23.670
Is made in the ER.

00:48:23.670 --> 00:48:26.450
And because of this
transmembrane spanning region,

00:48:26.450 --> 00:48:29.850
it's got to be transported
to the surface.

00:48:29.850 --> 00:48:34.170
And it's done so in
little coded vesicles,

00:48:34.170 --> 00:48:36.000
which keeps things soluble.

00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:38.670
And it does this by passing
through the Golgi stacks, which

00:48:38.670 --> 00:48:41.550
we talked about at
the very beginning.

00:48:41.550 --> 00:48:43.980
Eventually, it gets
to the surface.

00:48:43.980 --> 00:48:46.650
These little things here
are the LDL receptors.

00:48:49.620 --> 00:48:51.480
You can go home
and sleep on this

00:48:51.480 --> 00:48:53.500
and look at it again
because I'm over.

00:48:53.500 --> 00:48:57.150
And it just seems like I just
started and it's already over.

00:48:57.150 --> 00:48:58.070
I'm sorry.

00:48:58.070 --> 00:48:59.617
OK, I must have
spent too much time

00:48:59.617 --> 00:49:01.950
talking about something I
wasn't supposed to talk about.

00:49:01.950 --> 00:49:04.380
But anyhow,
hopefully you now all

00:49:04.380 --> 00:49:06.697
can go back and look
at this and think

00:49:06.697 --> 00:49:09.030
about this, because we're
going to be talking about this

00:49:09.030 --> 00:49:12.770
again in recitation this week.