WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:00.040 align:middle line:90% 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:02.470 align:middle line:84% The following content is provided under a Creative 00:00:02.470 --> 00:00:03.880 align:middle line:90% Commons license. 00:00:03.880 --> 00:00:06.920 align:middle line:84% Your support will help MIT OpenCourseWare continue to 00:00:06.920 --> 00:00:10.570 align:middle line:84% offer high quality educational resources for free. 00:00:10.570 --> 00:00:13.470 align:middle line:84% To make a donation, or view additional materials from 00:00:13.470 --> 00:00:17.875 align:middle line:84% hundreds of MIT courses, visit MIT OpenCourseWare at 00:00:17.875 --> 00:00:20.040 align:middle line:90% OCW.MIT.edu. 00:00:20.040 --> 00:00:22.220 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: Today is pretty much just set aside for 00:00:22.220 --> 00:00:23.080 align:middle line:90% brainstorming. 00:00:23.080 --> 00:00:26.202 align:middle line:84% So we're probably going to do about an hour of that. 00:00:26.202 --> 00:00:28.396 align:middle line:84% Just to throw the ideas that people already have in their 00:00:28.396 --> 00:00:32.246 align:middle line:84% heads about what could be with the problem space that we're 00:00:32.246 --> 00:00:34.442 align:middle line:90% working on. 00:00:34.442 --> 00:00:41.381 align:middle line:84% This whole preparing people to deal with violence and folks 00:00:41.381 --> 00:00:42.840 align:middle line:90% suffering from an illness. 00:00:42.840 --> 00:00:45.922 align:middle line:84% And there's a whole bunch of different things that people 00:00:45.922 --> 00:00:47.070 align:middle line:90% may be working on. 00:00:47.070 --> 00:00:50.150 align:middle line:84% And the idea is that hopefully we can get this all out and 00:00:50.150 --> 00:00:53.020 align:middle line:84% then we can spend the next half-hour, and frankly the 00:00:53.020 --> 00:00:54.920 align:middle line:84% rest of this week, trying to figure out 00:00:54.920 --> 00:00:57.000 align:middle line:90% who's in which team. 00:00:57.000 --> 00:01:00.002 align:middle line:84% Who's collaborating on a similar topic and who's 00:01:00.002 --> 00:01:03.580 align:middle line:90% interested in what. 00:01:03.580 --> 00:01:07.040 align:middle line:84% And then, anyone actually get through any of the readings? 00:01:07.040 --> 00:01:07.760 align:middle line:90% OK, great. 00:01:07.760 --> 00:01:10.160 align:middle line:84% So there's a few things up there. 00:01:10.160 --> 00:01:11.926 align:middle line:84% I realize that we don't have a lot of time to read. 00:01:11.926 --> 00:01:14.550 align:middle line:84% And there's probably more stuff up there to read that 00:01:14.550 --> 00:01:16.550 align:middle line:90% needs to be read necessarily. 00:01:16.550 --> 00:01:18.770 align:middle line:84% But it's all there as resources. 00:01:18.770 --> 00:01:21.555 align:middle line:84% Any ideas that people thought might be 00:01:21.555 --> 00:01:22.805 align:middle line:90% interesting to work on? 00:01:22.805 --> 00:01:24.480 align:middle line:90% 00:01:24.480 --> 00:01:26.220 align:middle line:90% Andrew? 00:01:26.220 --> 00:01:28.560 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: So one of the basic issues I heard from the 00:01:28.560 --> 00:01:31.220 align:middle line:84% presentation, and the papers, was communication. 00:01:31.220 --> 00:01:35.330 align:middle line:84% So this may work as a simulation, but the real world 00:01:35.330 --> 00:01:43.055 align:middle line:84% system would be communication between the psychiatrist and 00:01:43.055 --> 00:01:44.050 align:middle line:90% the patient. 00:01:44.050 --> 00:01:47.990 align:middle line:84% Along with the psychiatrist with the person above them. 00:01:47.990 --> 00:01:49.830 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: Psychiatrist, patient, communication? 00:01:49.830 --> 00:01:51.080 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: Yes. 00:01:51.080 --> 00:01:53.435 align:middle line:90% 00:01:53.435 --> 00:01:55.890 align:middle line:90% What do they call them? 00:01:55.890 --> 00:01:57.250 align:middle line:90% Not the patient. 00:01:57.250 --> 00:01:59.130 align:middle line:90% Patient, psychiatrist? 00:01:59.130 --> 00:02:00.840 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: Orderly? 00:02:00.840 --> 00:02:01.285 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: Nurse? 00:02:01.285 --> 00:02:03.070 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: What function do they have? 00:02:03.070 --> 00:02:04.320 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: Give us more information. 00:02:04.320 --> 00:02:07.360 align:middle line:90% 00:02:07.360 --> 00:02:09.820 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: Psychiatrist-Patient for now that's fine. 00:02:09.820 --> 00:02:11.650 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: You know how talking about psychiatrists 00:02:11.650 --> 00:02:14.055 align:middle line:90% there is patient. 00:02:14.055 --> 00:02:16.180 align:middle line:90% Psychiatrist, resident? 00:02:16.180 --> 00:02:17.920 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: Maybe like nurse, patient, and then nurse 00:02:17.920 --> 00:02:21.420 align:middle line:84% reporting incidents to supervisors? 00:02:21.420 --> 00:02:22.920 align:middle line:90% PROFESSOR:Three levels? 00:02:22.920 --> 00:02:25.002 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: Yes, that's the one. 00:02:25.002 --> 00:02:27.210 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: So it would go supervisor, nurse-- 00:02:27.210 --> 00:02:28.850 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: I'm sorry, guys. 00:02:28.850 --> 00:02:29.806 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: --and you have the patient. 00:02:29.806 --> 00:02:32.196 align:middle line:84% Those kinds of reporting up and reporting down. 00:02:32.196 --> 00:02:35.015 align:middle line:90% All right, yeah? 00:02:35.015 --> 00:02:36.420 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: So I had a couple ideas. 00:02:36.420 --> 00:02:41.040 align:middle line:84% One of them was, every idea you have a patient and there's 00:02:41.040 --> 00:02:44.900 align:middle line:90% two doctors or psychiatrists. 00:02:44.900 --> 00:02:49.350 align:middle line:84% And so one psychiatrist is trying to calm the patient 00:02:49.350 --> 00:02:51.530 align:middle line:84% while the other is doing the opposite and trying to make 00:02:51.530 --> 00:02:53.620 align:middle line:84% this patient as angry as possible. 00:02:53.620 --> 00:02:58.280 align:middle line:84% So the way I was thinking was, the psychiatrist that's trying 00:02:58.280 --> 00:03:00.290 align:middle line:90% to enrage the patient? 00:03:00.290 --> 00:03:03.010 align:middle line:84% That's training in what not to say. 00:03:03.010 --> 00:03:07.720 align:middle line:84% While the doctor who is trying to calm them down is-- 00:03:07.720 --> 00:03:12.820 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: So by showing what's the worst possible way? 00:03:12.820 --> 00:03:15.476 align:middle line:84% OK, I'm going to call that good cop, bad cop. 00:03:15.476 --> 00:03:18.030 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: --Yeah, and then another idea I had which I 00:03:18.030 --> 00:03:21.990 align:middle line:84% thought of with [UNINTELLIGIBLE] yesterday was 00:03:21.990 --> 00:03:26.390 align:middle line:84% have a team of psychiatrists working with one patient. 00:03:26.390 --> 00:03:31.860 align:middle line:84% But interlaced in one of the psychiatrists is a saboteur 00:03:31.860 --> 00:03:36.820 align:middle line:84% trying to enrage the patient as well. 00:03:36.820 --> 00:03:39.594 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: And what are the target audiences going to be 00:03:39.594 --> 00:03:40.844 align:middle line:90% like actual residents. 00:03:40.844 --> 00:03:43.290 align:middle line:90% 00:03:43.290 --> 00:03:48.080 align:middle line:84% I'm just going to say a saboteur in a group of 00:03:48.080 --> 00:03:49.330 align:middle line:90% psychiatrists. 00:03:49.330 --> 00:03:53.600 align:middle line:90% 00:03:53.600 --> 00:03:55.277 align:middle line:84% Because maybe there's an idea under that dynamic 00:03:55.277 --> 00:03:56.470 align:middle line:90% that we can play with. 00:03:56.470 --> 00:03:57.620 align:middle line:90% OK? 00:03:57.620 --> 00:03:59.340 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: OK, so a few quick things. 00:03:59.340 --> 00:04:02.290 align:middle line:84% One would be, I'm not exactly sure how 00:04:02.290 --> 00:04:03.980 align:middle line:90% this fits into a game. 00:04:03.980 --> 00:04:07.690 align:middle line:84% But simulating people who are delusional schizophrenic by 00:04:07.690 --> 00:04:12.700 align:middle line:84% either having every player have a separate audio track 00:04:12.700 --> 00:04:14.250 align:middle line:84% playing in their ear as they play? 00:04:14.250 --> 00:04:16.339 align:middle line:84% So there's voices speaking to them and they have different 00:04:16.339 --> 00:04:17.140 align:middle line:90% audio experiences. 00:04:17.140 --> 00:04:21.350 align:middle line:84% Or having just one speaker that everyone can hear that's 00:04:21.350 --> 00:04:22.175 align:middle line:90% playing audio. 00:04:22.175 --> 00:04:24.250 align:middle line:84% So incorporating audio into the experience to simulate in 00:04:24.250 --> 00:04:26.640 align:middle line:84% some way the internal thought processes and perhaps these 00:04:26.640 --> 00:04:27.560 align:middle line:90% delusional thoughts. 00:04:27.560 --> 00:04:30.308 align:middle line:84% The voice that tells you to go kill your mother and what not. 00:04:30.308 --> 00:04:32.220 align:middle line:90% Which is a documented issue. 00:04:32.220 --> 00:04:33.663 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: This particular game doesn't have to be a 00:04:33.663 --> 00:04:35.330 align:middle line:84% board game, doesn't have to be a card game, you have a lot 00:04:35.330 --> 00:04:37.830 align:middle line:84% more flexibility in what you want to do. 00:04:37.830 --> 00:04:40.137 align:middle line:84% I would suggest steering away from doing anything that 00:04:40.137 --> 00:04:41.270 align:middle line:90% requires digital logic. 00:04:41.270 --> 00:04:44.966 align:middle line:84% But MP3 players would be perfect. 00:04:44.966 --> 00:04:46.820 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: Exactly, something like that. 00:04:46.820 --> 00:04:49.205 align:middle line:84% So the second thing would be a board game where you're in 00:04:49.205 --> 00:04:50.170 align:middle line:90% charge of managing a ward. 00:04:50.170 --> 00:04:51.280 align:middle line:90% It's just a logistical game. 00:04:51.280 --> 00:04:54.690 align:middle line:84% Making sure that you don't leave anyone neglected or 00:04:54.690 --> 00:04:57.445 align:middle line:90% forget anyone. 00:04:57.445 --> 00:05:01.860 align:middle line:84% So your patients have their favorite nurse, and they have 00:05:01.860 --> 00:05:04.500 align:middle line:84% issues that you have to uncover and deal with. 00:05:04.500 --> 00:05:06.670 align:middle line:84% And if you leave somebody unattended and someone goes 00:05:06.670 --> 00:05:07.510 align:middle line:90% over they may become violent. 00:05:07.510 --> 00:05:09.700 align:middle line:84% So you've got to try and make sure. 00:05:09.700 --> 00:05:13.483 align:middle line:84% And then the third idea would be to have one player play as 00:05:13.483 --> 00:05:16.620 align:middle line:84% the patient and to simulate their inability to communicate 00:05:16.620 --> 00:05:18.420 align:middle line:90% properly for whatever reason. 00:05:18.420 --> 00:05:20.803 align:middle line:84% The information of their condition is 00:05:20.803 --> 00:05:21.970 align:middle line:90% hidden from the player. 00:05:21.970 --> 00:05:25.510 align:middle line:84% And so try to create a game experience that is genuinely 00:05:25.510 --> 00:05:29.940 align:middle line:84% frustrating because the player doesn't quite know what's 00:05:29.940 --> 00:05:31.530 align:middle line:84% wrong with them and can't articulate it properly. 00:05:31.530 --> 00:05:33.880 align:middle line:84% And the other players are in charge of finding it out. 00:05:33.880 --> 00:05:35.990 align:middle line:84% And putting some kind of time-constraint things where 00:05:35.990 --> 00:05:37.020 align:middle line:90% it gets heated. 00:05:37.020 --> 00:05:38.653 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: There are a bunch of improv games that are 00:05:38.653 --> 00:05:39.380 align:middle line:90% exactly that. 00:05:39.380 --> 00:05:42.230 align:middle line:84% I have something about me but can't tell you what it is. 00:05:42.230 --> 00:05:46.150 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: But the players know that it can get really, yeah. 00:05:46.150 --> 00:05:47.872 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: That's like the game where you have, I can't 00:05:47.872 --> 00:05:50.530 align:middle line:84% remember what it's called, but the one where you have to try 00:05:50.530 --> 00:05:52.350 align:middle line:84% to make the other person say a word. 00:05:52.350 --> 00:05:54.866 align:middle line:84% But you can't use a certain series of key words. 00:05:54.866 --> 00:05:59.290 align:middle line:90% 00:05:59.290 --> 00:06:02.700 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: I'm simulating schizophrenia with audio tape. 00:06:02.700 --> 00:06:05.920 align:middle line:90% 00:06:05.920 --> 00:06:08.850 align:middle line:84% Being part of RPG's which have done that well. 00:06:08.850 --> 00:06:11.270 align:middle line:84% So like live-action role playing stuff. 00:06:11.270 --> 00:06:12.530 align:middle line:90% Which did it really well. 00:06:12.530 --> 00:06:13.510 align:middle line:90% It actually works. 00:06:13.510 --> 00:06:17.350 align:middle line:90% So I recommend that. 00:06:17.350 --> 00:06:20.561 align:middle line:84% It's been tried in a setting which I've seen before and 00:06:20.561 --> 00:06:21.050 align:middle line:90% worked really well. 00:06:21.050 --> 00:06:23.770 align:middle line:90% So I think it could work out. 00:06:23.770 --> 00:06:28.000 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: You could do a refinement on that idea. 00:06:28.000 --> 00:06:30.770 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: So I know one of the main things that he was 00:06:30.770 --> 00:06:34.080 align:middle line:84% talking about was knowing what to do and just going through 00:06:34.080 --> 00:06:36.530 align:middle line:84% the process of what happens when somebody does something. 00:06:36.530 --> 00:06:39.990 align:middle line:84% And so that brought to mind D & D, and how you have to 00:06:39.990 --> 00:06:42.840 align:middle line:84% prepare for the encounter and then in the encounter you have 00:06:42.840 --> 00:06:44.960 align:middle line:84% certain actions that you can do. 00:06:44.960 --> 00:06:48.290 align:middle line:84% Calm through speech, calm through presenting some 00:06:48.290 --> 00:06:50.780 align:middle line:84% object, or some idea or whatever. 00:06:50.780 --> 00:06:55.210 align:middle line:84% Which I think would map pretty easily into the D & D space. 00:06:55.210 --> 00:06:58.550 align:middle line:84% And then you could also have certain abilities which are 00:06:58.550 --> 00:07:01.240 align:middle line:84% natural to your character like you're very charismatic which 00:07:01.240 --> 00:07:04.790 align:middle line:84% makes some things easier and such. 00:07:04.790 --> 00:07:11.542 align:middle line:84% So simplify D & D to handle interactions with patients. 00:07:11.542 --> 00:07:14.080 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: So table-top RPG style. 00:07:14.080 --> 00:07:16.120 align:middle line:84% And the kind of things you want to emphasize are things 00:07:16.120 --> 00:07:20.950 align:middle line:84% like preparation and playing up your actual skills? 00:07:20.950 --> 00:07:21.742 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: Right. 00:07:21.742 --> 00:07:23.218 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: Things that you're good at. 00:07:23.218 --> 00:07:27.646 align:middle line:90% 00:07:27.646 --> 00:07:28.896 align:middle line:84% So natural skills and preparation. 00:07:28.896 --> 00:07:34.050 align:middle line:90% 00:07:34.050 --> 00:07:36.610 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: So I had an idea for a game that could potentially 00:07:36.610 --> 00:07:37.550 align:middle line:90% be a card game. 00:07:37.550 --> 00:07:40.520 align:middle line:84% Where the player who's playing as the patient and the player 00:07:40.520 --> 00:07:42.310 align:middle line:84% who's playing as the doctor are operating 00:07:42.310 --> 00:07:43.750 align:middle line:90% under different rules. 00:07:43.750 --> 00:07:46.240 align:middle line:84% And one of the main points of the game is they're not 00:07:46.240 --> 00:07:48.150 align:middle line:84% actually aware of the other player's rules. 00:07:48.150 --> 00:07:50.450 align:middle line:84% So, for instance the patient could have certain goals which 00:07:50.450 --> 00:07:52.000 align:middle line:90% he is trying to achieve. 00:07:52.000 --> 00:07:55.020 align:middle line:84% But he is unaware which of these goals is completely 00:07:55.020 --> 00:07:56.780 align:middle line:90% unreasonable to the doctor. 00:07:56.780 --> 00:08:01.220 align:middle line:84% And the doctor has certain actions he can take and is 00:08:01.220 --> 00:08:02.530 align:middle line:84% unaware which of these are going to be 00:08:02.530 --> 00:08:04.150 align:middle line:90% threatening to the patient. 00:08:04.150 --> 00:08:06.970 align:middle line:84% And so, then there could be an instance where the patient 00:08:06.970 --> 00:08:09.330 align:middle line:84% actually believes the only way he is capable of winning the 00:08:09.330 --> 00:08:11.000 align:middle line:90% game is by using violence. 00:08:11.000 --> 00:08:14.184 align:middle line:84% And so that could be one of the end conditions. 00:08:14.184 --> 00:08:15.627 align:middle line:90% PROFESSOR: So, sure. 00:08:15.627 --> 00:08:19.480 align:middle line:84% And you have to deduce that out? 00:08:19.480 --> 00:08:21.020 align:middle line:90% Moving on to Michelle? 00:08:21.020 --> 00:08:23.890 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: I like the idea that a psychiatrist has to really 00:08:23.890 --> 00:08:26.170 align:middle line:84% keep their composure when dealing with a violent person. 00:08:26.170 --> 00:08:27.050 align:middle line:90% They can't raise their voice. 00:08:27.050 --> 00:08:29.200 align:middle line:84% They have to keep at a certain distance. 00:08:29.200 --> 00:08:32.740 align:middle line:84% And they can't seem upset for whatever reason. 00:08:32.740 --> 00:08:37.230 align:middle line:84% Sort of a party game idea, you could have two people. 00:08:37.230 --> 00:08:39.570 align:middle line:84% Basically, one person would just have to be throwing 00:08:39.570 --> 00:08:40.576 align:middle line:90% insults at the other person. 00:08:40.576 --> 00:08:42.659 align:middle line:84% And the person who's receiving the insults would just have to 00:08:42.659 --> 00:08:45.800 align:middle line:84% stay calm the whole time and continue to talking. 00:08:45.800 --> 00:08:47.370 align:middle line:84% Which is really hard to do even if you know it's coming. 00:08:47.370 --> 00:08:49.320 align:middle line:90% PROFESSOR: So keep your cool. 00:08:49.320 --> 00:08:52.050 align:middle line:84% I mean, that could be a game where you're literally 00:08:52.050 --> 00:08:54.210 align:middle line:84% insulting someone or it could be a thing where you're 00:08:54.210 --> 00:08:56.630 align:middle line:84% playing a character with a certain amount of composure 00:08:56.630 --> 00:09:01.045 align:middle line:84% points or something and you're planning actions and 00:09:01.045 --> 00:09:03.812 align:middle line:90% maintaining notes. 00:09:03.812 --> 00:09:06.800 align:middle line:84% And different tactics to be able to increase those or 00:09:06.800 --> 00:09:09.650 align:middle line:90% decrease those. 00:09:09.650 --> 00:09:12.610 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: A co-op type of game where you are a bunch of 00:09:12.610 --> 00:09:14.830 align:middle line:84% nurses trying to take care of the ward. 00:09:14.830 --> 00:09:17.950 align:middle line:84% This is a lot like Jeremy's Diner Dash style game. 00:09:17.950 --> 00:09:20.370 align:middle line:84% Except, you have a limitation to how you can 00:09:20.370 --> 00:09:21.190 align:middle line:90% actually do it once. 00:09:21.190 --> 00:09:23.865 align:middle line:84% So you will be forced to neglect one often. 00:09:23.865 --> 00:09:24.150 align:middle line:90% PROFESSOR: A patient, one? 00:09:24.150 --> 00:09:25.400 align:middle line:90% Neglect one patient? 00:09:25.400 --> 00:09:28.430 align:middle line:90% 00:09:28.430 --> 00:09:29.900 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: So nurses will get sick and 00:09:29.900 --> 00:09:31.150 align:middle line:90% they'll have to leave. 00:09:31.150 --> 00:09:33.470 align:middle line:90% 00:09:33.470 --> 00:09:37.455 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: So, rather you have limited resources. 00:09:37.455 --> 00:09:40.365 align:middle line:84% Not quite nearly enough to deal with every single crisis 00:09:40.365 --> 00:09:42.800 align:middle line:90% that's going to happen. 00:09:42.800 --> 00:09:45.570 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: So the one thing I found interesting in reading 00:09:45.570 --> 00:09:49.580 align:middle line:84% this stuff is statistically the amount of violence that 00:09:49.580 --> 00:09:54.996 align:middle line:84% happens with mental patients is not actually that different 00:09:54.996 --> 00:09:56.324 align:middle line:84% from the amount of violence that happens in the general 00:09:56.324 --> 00:09:57.190 align:middle line:90% population. 00:09:57.190 --> 00:10:00.220 align:middle line:84% And it talks about how people going through this, and 00:10:00.220 --> 00:10:02.210 align:middle line:84% deciding to go into the profession, might actually 00:10:02.210 --> 00:10:03.640 align:middle line:84% second guess themselves because they have this 00:10:03.640 --> 00:10:05.095 align:middle line:84% perception of there's more violence. 00:10:05.095 --> 00:10:08.365 align:middle line:84% So I think incorporating something where you have life 00:10:08.365 --> 00:10:13.050 align:middle line:84% in the ward and life outside of it. 00:10:13.050 --> 00:10:15.670 align:middle line:84% So you incorporate both the things where you're trying to 00:10:15.670 --> 00:10:18.700 align:middle line:84% deal with patients but you're also reinforcing this idea 00:10:18.700 --> 00:10:23.200 align:middle line:84% that it's not significantly more dangerous 00:10:23.200 --> 00:10:24.680 align:middle line:90% than real life is. 00:10:24.680 --> 00:10:26.160 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: None of your patients stab you but you get 00:10:26.160 --> 00:10:26.610 align:middle line:90% mugged on the way home. 00:10:26.610 --> 00:10:29.280 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: Yeah, something like that. 00:10:29.280 --> 00:10:31.140 align:middle line:90% It's just life. 00:10:31.140 --> 00:10:34.100 align:middle line:90% 00:10:34.100 --> 00:10:39.950 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: One thing that could be really attractive is 00:10:39.950 --> 00:10:43.060 align:middle line:84% that now broadens your audience to people who aren't 00:10:43.060 --> 00:10:45.670 align:middle line:90% just psychiatric residents. 00:10:45.670 --> 00:10:49.230 align:middle line:90% 00:10:49.230 --> 00:10:52.230 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: So, I like the idea of the patient and doctor 00:10:52.230 --> 00:10:55.590 align:middle line:84% having different roles, rules, goals, views, et cetera. 00:10:55.590 --> 00:10:59.740 align:middle line:84% But I also like the idea of incorporating an escalation 00:10:59.740 --> 00:11:02.330 align:middle line:84% and de-escalation into the conflict 00:11:02.330 --> 00:11:03.850 align:middle line:90% between the two of them. 00:11:03.850 --> 00:11:07.160 align:middle line:84% So I feel like part of the thing which was really 00:11:07.160 --> 00:11:08.280 align:middle line:84% compelling about the role-playing scenario which 00:11:08.280 --> 00:11:12.250 align:middle line:84% they showed was there was then sense in which the doctor can 00:11:12.250 --> 00:11:17.054 align:middle line:84% say things which can escalate or de-escalate the situation. 00:11:17.054 --> 00:11:20.750 align:middle line:84% Make it more or less likely that things will go a bad way. 00:11:20.750 --> 00:11:24.577 align:middle line:84% And one way which that could be done partially through 00:11:24.577 --> 00:11:29.620 align:middle line:84% roles would be to have hidden keywords which the patient 00:11:29.620 --> 00:11:32.468 align:middle line:84% responds to or what have you and that moves them into a 00:11:32.468 --> 00:11:32.800 align:middle line:90% different state. 00:11:32.800 --> 00:11:36.726 align:middle line:84% And then transitioning between these two states changes the 00:11:36.726 --> 00:11:41.780 align:middle line:84% goals which the patient has so maybe the intent on trying to 00:11:41.780 --> 00:11:43.480 align:middle line:84% get Nurse-- what was the nurse's name? 00:11:43.480 --> 00:11:43.810 align:middle line:90% Dave? 00:11:43.810 --> 00:11:44.210 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: John. 00:11:44.210 --> 00:11:46.000 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: Nurse John. 00:11:46.000 --> 00:11:48.800 align:middle line:84% But as they get de-escalated then they just want to change 00:11:48.800 --> 00:11:49.210 align:middle line:90% their meds. 00:11:49.210 --> 00:11:54.410 align:middle line:84% But then as they get de-escalated from that then 00:11:54.410 --> 00:11:56.010 align:middle line:84% they just want to go run back out. 00:11:56.010 --> 00:12:00.139 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: Just coming up with the rules that model what an 00:12:00.139 --> 00:12:05.290 align:middle line:84% unreasonable patient would do or what are you 00:12:05.290 --> 00:12:06.500 align:middle line:90% willing to give up. 00:12:06.500 --> 00:12:10.144 align:middle line:84% And actually putting somebody in the shoes of that, is 00:12:10.144 --> 00:12:11.675 align:middle line:84% essentially something to think about what 00:12:11.675 --> 00:12:14.710 align:middle line:90% I can do as a doctor. 00:12:14.710 --> 00:12:16.542 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: So, there was this guy we used to play in my 00:12:16.542 --> 00:12:19.700 align:middle line:84% family where you're given a scenario and certain number of 00:12:19.700 --> 00:12:23.830 align:middle line:90% words you can't use. 00:12:23.830 --> 00:12:28.140 align:middle line:84% Essentially, you choose random words and you have a scenario. 00:12:28.140 --> 00:12:30.350 align:middle line:84% Basically what you were saying where certain keywords do 00:12:30.350 --> 00:12:30.950 align:middle line:90% certain things. 00:12:30.950 --> 00:12:35.840 align:middle line:84% But you have to somehow create the best story or the best 00:12:35.840 --> 00:12:39.520 align:middle line:84% calm-down passage to read to the patient. 00:12:39.520 --> 00:12:44.220 align:middle line:84% And then there's some arbitrator, the GM of the 00:12:44.220 --> 00:12:47.640 align:middle line:84% game, that decides which of the three people that were 00:12:47.640 --> 00:12:52.400 align:middle line:84% playing which one had the best story out of those. 00:12:52.400 --> 00:12:56.280 align:middle line:84% To get you to have to come up with something to deal with, 00:12:56.280 --> 00:12:57.532 align:middle line:84% You need Nurse John right away. 00:12:57.532 --> 00:13:00.640 align:middle line:90% 00:13:00.640 --> 00:13:03.480 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: You could do a thing where you had to create 00:13:03.480 --> 00:13:06.995 align:middle line:84% a story about a random explanation 00:13:06.995 --> 00:13:08.960 align:middle line:90% of elements or cards. 00:13:08.960 --> 00:13:14.984 align:middle line:84% But then some number of those cards, specifically the other 00:13:14.984 --> 00:13:16.418 align:middle line:84% player or maybe the game of other players specifically 00:13:16.418 --> 00:13:17.852 align:middle line:90% just saying. 00:13:17.852 --> 00:13:20.720 align:middle line:84% Those internally are supposed to be our keywords. 00:13:20.720 --> 00:13:24.452 align:middle line:84% And there's some 20 questions type of way to try and figure 00:13:24.452 --> 00:13:27.350 align:middle line:90% out what those cards are. 00:13:27.350 --> 00:13:31.710 align:middle line:84% So that would be like a doctor trying to figure out what 00:13:31.710 --> 00:13:34.454 align:middle line:84% they're dealing with while they're [INAUDIBLE]. 00:13:34.454 --> 00:13:37.298 align:middle line:90% 00:13:37.298 --> 00:13:39.668 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: You can make that game like Guess Who. 00:13:39.668 --> 00:13:43.420 align:middle line:84% Where each person draws a card and you have to give a 00:13:43.420 --> 00:13:47.108 align:middle line:84% statement to the other person or ask them something. 00:13:47.108 --> 00:13:49.814 align:middle line:84% And then you see whether they escalate or de-escalate and 00:13:49.814 --> 00:13:52.520 align:middle line:84% each individual card has a trade story. 00:13:52.520 --> 00:13:53.012 align:middle line:84% If you talk about this that's bad. 00:13:53.012 --> 00:13:53.504 align:middle line:84% If you talk about this that's good. 00:13:53.504 --> 00:13:56.456 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: I'm not familiar with Guess Who. 00:13:56.456 --> 00:13:58.178 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: OK, so it's not really that 00:13:58.178 --> 00:14:01.870 align:middle line:90% much like Guess Who. 00:14:01.870 --> 00:14:04.470 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: 20 questions? 00:14:04.470 --> 00:14:06.650 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: What I can think of is everyone just has a whole 00:14:06.650 --> 00:14:09.670 align:middle line:84% bunch of character cards and each of them have traits. 00:14:09.670 --> 00:14:10.695 align:middle line:90% Like, watch this. 00:14:10.695 --> 00:14:14.074 align:middle line:84% If you you say this they'll get upset. 00:14:14.074 --> 00:14:16.504 align:middle line:84% If you say this, it's not very fully fleshed out. 00:14:16.504 --> 00:14:17.962 align:middle line:84% But everyone just randomly draws traits. 00:14:17.962 --> 00:14:20.392 align:middle line:84% And you just take turns speaking to each other. 00:14:20.392 --> 00:14:21.910 align:middle line:84% And then the patients either will 00:14:21.910 --> 00:14:23.980 align:middle line:90% respond or get more angry. 00:14:23.980 --> 00:14:29.130 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: So it's almost like your role is a collection of 00:14:29.130 --> 00:14:36.265 align:middle line:84% randomized traits or randomized behavioral rules. 00:14:36.265 --> 00:14:39.488 align:middle line:90% 00:14:39.488 --> 00:14:45.832 align:middle line:84% So, rules determined by randomized rules. 00:14:45.832 --> 00:14:48.760 align:middle line:90% 00:14:48.760 --> 00:14:50.548 align:middle line:84% For those people in the Assassin's Guild, or are 00:14:50.548 --> 00:14:55.592 align:middle line:84% familiar with the Assassin's Guild, there's the concept of 00:14:55.592 --> 00:14:56.630 align:middle line:90% assignments. 00:14:56.630 --> 00:15:05.055 align:middle line:84% Things that you as an individual player are given at 00:15:05.055 --> 00:15:06.892 align:middle line:84% the beginning of the game as things that you can do and 00:15:06.892 --> 00:15:07.750 align:middle line:90% have to do. 00:15:07.750 --> 00:15:09.220 align:middle line:84% Or if you do something you have to do it in these 00:15:09.220 --> 00:15:10.210 align:middle line:90% specific conditions. 00:15:10.210 --> 00:15:13.150 align:middle line:84% Psychological limitations is what they're called. 00:15:13.150 --> 00:15:14.488 align:middle line:84% It could be something as simple as you have to speak in 00:15:14.488 --> 00:15:17.771 align:middle line:84% an accent all the time or you have to limp. 00:15:17.771 --> 00:15:19.390 align:middle line:84% It could be something more like every time you see blood 00:15:19.390 --> 00:15:24.655 align:middle line:84% you have to run away because there's a [INAUDIBLE]. 00:15:24.655 --> 00:15:26.317 align:middle line:84% It might be interesting to think of a collection of those 00:15:26.317 --> 00:15:30.370 align:middle line:84% things and that crafts how we play. 00:15:30.370 --> 00:15:32.340 align:middle line:84% So this makes me think I should probably do the 00:15:32.340 --> 00:15:36.264 align:middle line:84% live-action class at some point and talk about party 00:15:36.264 --> 00:15:39.722 align:middle line:90% games and role-playing games. 00:15:39.722 --> 00:15:40.710 align:middle line:90% I think you had your hands up? 00:15:40.710 --> 00:15:42.668 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: No, my hands are in my pocket. 00:15:42.668 --> 00:15:45.850 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: Your hands are just up, correct? 00:15:45.850 --> 00:15:48.697 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: Another thing that psychiatrists do when they're 00:15:48.697 --> 00:15:50.370 align:middle line:84% talking to a patient is to try and get the story out of them 00:15:50.370 --> 00:15:52.650 align:middle line:90% as to why they're upset. 00:15:52.650 --> 00:15:57.840 align:middle line:84% So you could have a game where the patient has some set of 00:15:57.840 --> 00:16:03.965 align:middle line:84% cards that has some set of story with some keywords and 00:16:03.965 --> 00:16:07.145 align:middle line:84% the doctor has to try and get these words out of him. 00:16:07.145 --> 00:16:11.520 align:middle line:84% But the patient, himself, doesn't fully know his story 00:16:11.520 --> 00:16:12.720 align:middle line:90% so it keeps on changing. 00:16:12.720 --> 00:16:14.910 align:middle line:84% You can keep modifying your story as you go by drawing 00:16:14.910 --> 00:16:16.620 align:middle line:90% cards and putting them away. 00:16:16.620 --> 00:16:18.720 align:middle line:84% And you can only really get the full picture once you get 00:16:18.720 --> 00:16:20.950 align:middle line:84% all the cards from the patient that you can. 00:16:20.950 --> 00:16:24.500 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: So, does the patient have all the cards? 00:16:24.500 --> 00:16:26.930 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: The patient has his full story 00:16:26.930 --> 00:16:28.180 align:middle line:90% but it keeps changing. 00:16:28.180 --> 00:16:30.820 align:middle line:90% 00:16:30.820 --> 00:16:38.110 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: So, ever-changing story and you want to stay on 00:16:38.110 --> 00:16:39.516 align:middle line:90% top of [UNINTELLIGIBLE]. 00:16:39.516 --> 00:16:41.981 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: Yes. 00:16:41.981 --> 00:16:43.953 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: This isn't really a fleshed out idea. 00:16:43.953 --> 00:16:46.270 align:middle line:90% But as a mechanic? 00:16:46.270 --> 00:16:49.270 align:middle line:84% Say there's a doctor and a patient and the only 00:16:49.270 --> 00:16:50.810 align:middle line:84% communication is through cards. 00:16:50.810 --> 00:16:54.245 align:middle line:84% So the doctor will give the patient two cards, and then 00:16:54.245 --> 00:16:57.906 align:middle line:84% the third card is randomly inserted off of a deck and 00:16:57.906 --> 00:16:58.490 align:middle line:90% shuffled in. 00:16:58.490 --> 00:17:00.090 align:middle line:84% The patient receives all three. 00:17:00.090 --> 00:17:02.790 align:middle line:84% So the patient might be schizophrenic 00:17:02.790 --> 00:17:03.340 align:middle line:90% and imagining things. 00:17:03.340 --> 00:17:06.255 align:middle line:84% And they get what the doctor is saying but they also get 00:17:06.255 --> 00:17:08.700 align:middle line:90% other random things as points. 00:17:08.700 --> 00:17:14.071 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: So as a mechanic that would be-- 00:17:14.071 --> 00:17:15.321 align:middle line:90% man, that's hard to describe. 00:17:15.321 --> 00:17:17.589 align:middle line:90% 00:17:17.589 --> 00:17:19.890 align:middle line:84% The idea that you will be adding the randomized element. 00:17:19.890 --> 00:17:22.290 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: So you get information that is both what 00:17:22.290 --> 00:17:24.460 align:middle line:84% the other person played, and something random, and you 00:17:24.460 --> 00:17:25.710 align:middle line:84% can't distinguish which is which. 00:17:25.710 --> 00:17:28.050 align:middle line:90% 00:17:28.050 --> 00:17:29.296 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: You have a communication channel and 00:17:29.296 --> 00:17:30.490 align:middle line:90% you're adding random noise. 00:17:30.490 --> 00:17:32.940 align:middle line:90% PROFESSOR: Yeah. 00:17:32.940 --> 00:17:34.410 align:middle line:84% Is that a question [INAUDIBLE]? 00:17:34.410 --> 00:17:43.000 align:middle line:90% 00:17:43.000 --> 00:17:44.396 align:middle line:84% I am running out of space, so that's a good thing. 00:17:44.396 --> 00:17:48.229 align:middle line:90% 00:17:48.229 --> 00:17:51.708 align:middle line:90% Any other ideas? 00:17:51.708 --> 00:17:52.958 align:middle line:90% That's creepy. 00:17:52.958 --> 00:18:01.648 align:middle line:90% 00:18:01.648 --> 00:18:02.898 align:middle line:90% Anyone else? 00:18:02.898 --> 00:18:06.618 align:middle line:90% 00:18:06.618 --> 00:18:07.612 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: One concept I thought was interesting, 00:18:07.612 --> 00:18:09.290 align:middle line:84% though I'm not really sure how to turn it into a game 00:18:09.290 --> 00:18:15.490 align:middle line:84% immediately, is the idea of the patient and specifically 00:18:15.490 --> 00:18:18.870 align:middle line:84% the doctor or the rest of the world having at the moment 00:18:18.870 --> 00:18:21.970 align:middle line:90% irreconcilable narratives. 00:18:21.970 --> 00:18:26.670 align:middle line:84% And the goal of bringing those into some type of medium in 00:18:26.670 --> 00:18:31.326 align:middle line:84% which the patient can comfortably exist with this 00:18:31.326 --> 00:18:35.720 align:middle line:84% narrative that's in line with the rest of the world. 00:18:35.720 --> 00:18:41.950 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: So the idea, again, of narrative disruption is why 00:18:41.950 --> 00:18:44.430 align:middle line:84% people get violent in the first place. 00:18:44.430 --> 00:18:48.560 align:middle line:84% So maybe even taking out the question entirely of is this 00:18:48.560 --> 00:18:52.010 align:middle line:84% person going to act violently, but can you even work together 00:18:52.010 --> 00:18:55.886 align:middle line:84% with somebody to change how they see the world until it 00:18:55.886 --> 00:18:59.750 align:middle line:90% makes sense on both sides. 00:18:59.750 --> 00:19:02.548 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: So with that, something I can't actually 00:19:02.548 --> 00:19:07.716 align:middle line:84% think of a game for it right now, be something like you 00:19:07.716 --> 00:19:13.766 align:middle line:90% have the patient and doctor. 00:19:13.766 --> 00:19:16.742 align:middle line:84% One person trying to figure out the other person, the 00:19:16.742 --> 00:19:17.900 align:middle line:84% other person trying to trigger the other. 00:19:17.900 --> 00:19:20.730 align:middle line:84% But there's something in the middle that's changing 00:19:20.730 --> 00:19:22.050 align:middle line:90% everything. 00:19:22.050 --> 00:19:26.292 align:middle line:84% So it's just trying to reconcile the difference. 00:19:26.292 --> 00:19:26.964 align:middle line:90% Figuring out the connection and 00:19:26.964 --> 00:19:28.540 align:middle line:90% communication between the two. 00:19:28.540 --> 00:19:31.010 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: So you have a situation where you actually 00:19:31.010 --> 00:19:32.490 align:middle line:90% have three people playing. 00:19:32.490 --> 00:19:38.671 align:middle line:84% And there's one person who's changing information on some 00:19:38.671 --> 00:19:40.270 align:middle line:84% predictable or unpredictable way. 00:19:40.270 --> 00:19:42.850 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: Maybe they have their own objective in mind. 00:19:42.850 --> 00:19:45.590 align:middle line:90% 00:19:45.590 --> 00:19:48.620 align:middle line:84% The two people on the ends are trying to figure out what the 00:19:48.620 --> 00:19:51.712 align:middle line:84% other one's saying and then one person in the middle has 00:19:51.712 --> 00:19:56.710 align:middle line:84% their own agenda, representing schizophrenia. 00:19:56.710 --> 00:20:01.260 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: So there's a noisy communication channel with an 00:20:01.260 --> 00:20:02.510 align:middle line:90% agenda --I like that. 00:20:02.510 --> 00:20:06.590 align:middle line:90% 00:20:06.590 --> 00:20:11.206 align:middle line:84% That could be an algorithm or that could be a person. 00:20:11.206 --> 00:20:13.520 align:middle line:84% It could be a person running an algorithm in their head. 00:20:13.520 --> 00:20:17.856 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: I mean the noisy communication channel, or the 00:20:17.856 --> 00:20:19.606 align:middle line:84% actual state of mind of the patient, that 00:20:19.606 --> 00:20:22.036 align:middle line:90% is the point right? 00:20:22.036 --> 00:20:25.540 align:middle line:84% And then depending on their level of arousal, that could 00:20:25.540 --> 00:20:28.750 align:middle line:84% change how everything gets screened 00:20:28.750 --> 00:20:32.660 align:middle line:90% into being very combative. 00:20:32.660 --> 00:20:37.682 align:middle line:84% And so everything the doctor says is taken as being. 00:20:37.682 --> 00:20:41.070 align:middle line:90% 00:20:41.070 --> 00:20:43.593 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: Some sort of parable that's actually going 00:20:43.593 --> 00:20:47.200 align:middle line:84% to affect how they were able to [INAUDIBLE]. 00:20:47.200 --> 00:20:50.116 align:middle line:90% 00:20:50.116 --> 00:20:52.730 align:middle line:90% OK. 00:20:52.730 --> 00:20:54.352 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: This would probably only work once, the first time 00:20:54.352 --> 00:20:57.800 align:middle line:84% you play through, but again you've concealed from the 00:20:57.800 --> 00:21:02.510 align:middle line:84% players, or certain players, themselves 00:21:02.510 --> 00:21:04.660 align:middle line:90% what their goals are. 00:21:04.660 --> 00:21:06.760 align:middle line:84% Or what they believe think about the game. 00:21:06.760 --> 00:21:10.080 align:middle line:84% Say, it is in fact a delusion or not true. 00:21:10.080 --> 00:21:16.050 align:middle line:84% So you might tell them that it's about a game set in 2100 00:21:16.050 --> 00:21:18.180 align:middle line:84% when you've been wrongly imprisoned in a psychiatric 00:21:18.180 --> 00:21:20.210 align:middle line:84% ward and you must fight your way out or 00:21:20.210 --> 00:21:21.270 align:middle line:90% something like that. 00:21:21.270 --> 00:21:24.440 align:middle line:84% And there's a voice that will guide you, or whatever. 00:21:24.440 --> 00:21:27.880 align:middle line:84% And then you don't tell that player that they're in fact 00:21:27.880 --> 00:21:29.660 align:middle line:84% playing a schizophrenic player who will [UNINTELLIGIBLE] 00:21:29.660 --> 00:21:30.080 align:middle line:90% these things. 00:21:30.080 --> 00:21:32.629 align:middle line:84% And then you use some sort of live-action role playing or 00:21:32.629 --> 00:21:36.310 align:middle line:84% not, I'm not exactly sure, but this other guy is convinced 00:21:36.310 --> 00:21:38.995 align:middle line:84% that this is what the game is about. 00:21:38.995 --> 00:21:40.610 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: I could write a [UNINTELLIGIBLE] 00:21:40.610 --> 00:21:42.410 align:middle line:90% rivals scenario. 00:21:42.410 --> 00:21:46.364 align:middle line:84% The player's don't know that going in, but folks have seen 00:21:46.364 --> 00:21:49.352 align:middle line:84% the film The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari. 00:21:49.352 --> 00:21:51.620 align:middle line:84% It's an old German expressionist [UNINTELLIGIBLE] 00:21:51.620 --> 00:21:53.290 align:middle line:90% film. 00:21:53.290 --> 00:21:54.476 align:middle line:90% I could spoil it? 00:21:54.476 --> 00:21:56.221 align:middle line:90% Does anyone care? 00:21:56.221 --> 00:21:59.960 align:middle line:90% It's an old 1920s. 00:21:59.960 --> 00:22:02.020 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: I think you're fine. 00:22:02.020 --> 00:22:05.160 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: But the basic idea comes down to the hero of the 00:22:05.160 --> 00:22:07.450 align:middle line:84% horror story is actually just a patient in 00:22:07.450 --> 00:22:08.700 align:middle line:90% a psychiatric ward. 00:22:08.700 --> 00:22:11.930 align:middle line:90% 00:22:11.930 --> 00:22:18.310 align:middle line:84% And everybody who he believes is part of the story he's 00:22:18.310 --> 00:22:20.720 align:middle line:84% conquering is somebody else in the psychiatric ward. 00:22:20.720 --> 00:22:23.800 align:middle line:84% The big villain is actually the person running the ward. 00:22:23.800 --> 00:22:24.730 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: That's like Shutter Island. 00:22:24.730 --> 00:22:27.130 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: Yeah, it's like Shutter Island 00:22:27.130 --> 00:22:31.050 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: Not entirely unlike a lot of different stories. 00:22:31.050 --> 00:22:37.080 align:middle line:84% But similar idea of the information being given is not 00:22:37.080 --> 00:22:38.740 align:middle line:90% to be trusted. 00:22:38.740 --> 00:22:41.490 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: Something to go along like that, a game 00:22:41.490 --> 00:22:43.420 align:middle line:84% mechanic for that would be everyone's assigned a 00:22:43.420 --> 00:22:44.230 align:middle line:90% different role. 00:22:44.230 --> 00:22:46.820 align:middle line:84% And one of those roles is patient. 00:22:46.820 --> 00:22:49.820 align:middle line:84% So you don't know if you're the patient or not. 00:22:49.820 --> 00:22:51.845 align:middle line:84% And so in time as you do your objectives, and as you play 00:22:51.845 --> 00:22:56.200 align:middle line:84% along you may start to realize things aren't 00:22:56.200 --> 00:22:58.515 align:middle line:90% actually as they seem. 00:22:58.515 --> 00:22:59.556 align:middle line:84% So eventually you may figure out I'm 00:22:59.556 --> 00:23:00.830 align:middle line:90% actually the patient here. 00:23:00.830 --> 00:23:04.120 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: Right, almost like primeval 00:23:04.120 --> 00:23:06.500 align:middle line:90% authority in that sense. 00:23:06.500 --> 00:23:08.620 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: Going along with that, I think an interesting 00:23:08.620 --> 00:23:13.260 align:middle line:84% mechanic would be like the Battlestar Gallactica. 00:23:13.260 --> 00:23:15.710 align:middle line:84% The person knows that they're a Cylon but they can 00:23:15.710 --> 00:23:18.330 align:middle line:84% infiltrate by doing that voting system at the end. 00:23:18.330 --> 00:23:20.282 align:middle line:90% What is that? 00:23:20.282 --> 00:23:21.750 align:middle line:90% The [UNINTELLIGIBLE]. 00:23:21.750 --> 00:23:25.141 align:middle line:84% So you know that someone's trying to sabotage you but you 00:23:25.141 --> 00:23:26.391 align:middle line:90% don't know who. 00:23:26.391 --> 00:23:30.470 align:middle line:90% 00:23:30.470 --> 00:23:32.580 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: So that's who's the patient from a 00:23:32.580 --> 00:23:33.310 align:middle line:90% different way, right? 00:23:33.310 --> 00:23:39.040 align:middle line:90% One is, player knows who-- 00:23:39.040 --> 00:23:42.272 align:middle line:84% at least one person knows and the other one is trying to 00:23:42.272 --> 00:23:44.445 align:middle line:84% figure out whether they are it. 00:23:44.445 --> 00:23:47.270 align:middle line:90% 00:23:47.270 --> 00:23:48.520 align:middle line:90% [INAUDIBLE]. 00:23:48.520 --> 00:23:53.222 align:middle line:90% 00:23:53.222 --> 00:23:55.035 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: This is just an interesting mechanic. 00:23:55.035 --> 00:23:58.390 align:middle line:84% There was this RPG called, Great [INAUDIBLE] 00:23:58.390 --> 00:24:02.760 align:middle line:84% Game that had this really interesting mechanic for 00:24:02.760 --> 00:24:04.830 align:middle line:84% handling the dark side that each player had. 00:24:04.830 --> 00:24:07.150 align:middle line:84% Which might be relevant in this situation. 00:24:07.150 --> 00:24:10.560 align:middle line:84% Essentially you had a different person who's also 00:24:10.560 --> 00:24:14.440 align:middle line:84% playing another protagonist also play your antagonist. 00:24:14.440 --> 00:24:17.740 align:middle line:84% And so, they would either talk to you and tell you things or 00:24:17.740 --> 00:24:20.485 align:middle line:84% they would just directly control your character like if 00:24:20.485 --> 00:24:23.070 align:middle line:84% you fail at the composure role. 00:24:23.070 --> 00:24:26.850 align:middle line:84% And taking the adversarial side of your character away 00:24:26.850 --> 00:24:33.060 align:middle line:84% from your control, it means that your character is more 00:24:33.060 --> 00:24:35.220 align:middle line:84% likely to behave in a really disruptive way. 00:24:35.220 --> 00:24:38.080 align:middle line:84% Rather than just a controllably disruptive way 00:24:38.080 --> 00:24:41.870 align:middle line:84% would be if you had a vested interest in your character. 00:24:41.870 --> 00:24:46.430 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: So, open end case control of your character. 00:24:46.430 --> 00:24:48.606 align:middle line:84% And that might work really well with some of the ideas of 00:24:48.606 --> 00:24:51.534 align:middle line:84% the good cop bad cop idea that someone thought of already. 00:24:51.534 --> 00:25:02.270 align:middle line:90% 00:25:02.270 --> 00:25:07.120 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: So, actually going off of the audio idea of 00:25:07.120 --> 00:25:11.115 align:middle line:84% someone is actually hearing voices? 00:25:11.115 --> 00:25:12.930 align:middle line:90% If it was the patient thing. 00:25:12.930 --> 00:25:16.290 align:middle line:84% You could actually have things where you have one player is 00:25:16.290 --> 00:25:19.240 align:middle line:84% actually playing a patient who is schizophrenic and another 00:25:19.240 --> 00:25:21.750 align:middle line:84% player is playing the voices in his head. 00:25:21.750 --> 00:25:24.140 align:middle line:84% But they don't really know that. 00:25:24.140 --> 00:25:28.560 align:middle line:84% They are playing the scenario where they have some delusion 00:25:28.560 --> 00:25:30.310 align:middle line:84% that they're trapped in whatever. 00:25:30.310 --> 00:25:33.680 align:middle line:90% 00:25:33.680 --> 00:25:38.460 align:middle line:84% So having a person actually being the-- 00:25:38.460 --> 00:25:41.830 align:middle line:84% as you're saying-- having an actual person be the dark side 00:25:41.830 --> 00:25:43.340 align:middle line:90% of the patient. 00:25:43.340 --> 00:25:46.422 align:middle line:90% 00:25:46.422 --> 00:25:49.700 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: But neither of them know who's the dark side? 00:25:49.700 --> 00:25:53.300 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: The patient, yeah, you could have it. 00:25:53.300 --> 00:25:55.310 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: One way you could arbitrate it is you could say, 00:25:55.310 --> 00:25:57.560 align:middle line:84% the patient player is just basically able 00:25:57.560 --> 00:25:58.510 align:middle line:90% to do as they please. 00:25:58.510 --> 00:26:02.920 align:middle line:84% But there are rules which govern whether the dark side 00:26:02.920 --> 00:26:04.170 align:middle line:90% character can take over. 00:26:04.170 --> 00:26:06.740 align:middle line:90% 00:26:06.740 --> 00:26:10.540 align:middle line:84% And that means that the patient is genuinely driven by 00:26:10.540 --> 00:26:13.150 align:middle line:84% trying to reach a compromise but they can just be overruled 00:26:13.150 --> 00:26:15.770 align:middle line:90% by the dark side. 00:26:15.770 --> 00:26:18.750 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: There could also be things where it could be more 00:26:18.750 --> 00:26:20.080 align:middle line:84% like a strong role-playing thing? 00:26:20.080 --> 00:26:22.400 align:middle line:84% Where the voice is actually just trying to convince them 00:26:22.400 --> 00:26:24.720 align:middle line:84% that yes, this delusion is real. 00:26:24.720 --> 00:26:26.400 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: So, do you still think you 00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:27.495 align:middle line:90% have a recorded thing? 00:26:27.495 --> 00:26:29.320 align:middle line:90% Or two different? 00:26:29.320 --> 00:26:30.480 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: You could actually have two people just actually 00:26:30.480 --> 00:26:32.850 align:middle line:90% standing there talking. 00:26:32.850 --> 00:26:36.640 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: So two people playing one character at once. 00:26:36.640 --> 00:26:39.140 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: It would potentially require a lot of suspension of 00:26:39.140 --> 00:26:41.500 align:middle line:84% disbelief on the part of the person playing the 00:26:41.500 --> 00:26:41.870 align:middle line:90% psychiatrist. 00:26:41.870 --> 00:26:44.940 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: It might be one of those things that's easier to 00:26:44.940 --> 00:26:50.336 align:middle line:84% mediate by having people talk on screen or 00:26:50.336 --> 00:26:53.312 align:middle line:90% something like that? 00:26:53.312 --> 00:26:55.296 align:middle line:84% Or a microphone in a speaker type thing? 00:26:55.296 --> 00:26:56.546 align:middle line:90% [INAUDIBLE PHRASE] 00:26:56.546 --> 00:26:59.760 align:middle line:90% 00:26:59.760 --> 00:27:01.496 align:middle line:84% I've not seen many games that are designed specifically to 00:27:01.496 --> 00:27:03.460 align:middle line:90% be played on the [INAUDIBLE] 00:27:03.460 --> 00:27:05.960 align:middle line:90% function. 00:27:05.960 --> 00:27:07.466 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: I definitely like that idea, and I think it 00:27:07.466 --> 00:27:08.760 align:middle line:84% could work well in a card game as well. 00:27:08.760 --> 00:27:11.340 align:middle line:84% If you have two players sharing the same hand, and the 00:27:11.340 --> 00:27:13.950 align:middle line:84% player who actually gets to play the cards from the hand 00:27:13.950 --> 00:27:16.610 align:middle line:84% is whoever's in control of the patient. 00:27:16.610 --> 00:27:21.580 align:middle line:84% And so the state basically changes depending on what the 00:27:21.580 --> 00:27:22.690 align:middle line:90% doctor does. 00:27:22.690 --> 00:27:26.110 align:middle line:84% Different players come in control of the patient's hand. 00:27:26.110 --> 00:27:28.300 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: So it seems like we actually have a lot of 00:27:28.300 --> 00:27:32.740 align:middle line:84% different options on how we could mechanic someone who's 00:27:32.740 --> 00:27:33.990 align:middle line:90% going to be unstable. 00:27:33.990 --> 00:27:36.680 align:middle line:90% 00:27:36.680 --> 00:27:39.237 align:middle line:84% And also, a bunch of ideas on how that state switch could 00:27:39.237 --> 00:27:42.950 align:middle line:84% happen or what makes it take over. 00:27:42.950 --> 00:27:44.270 align:middle line:90% So that's pretty cool. 00:27:44.270 --> 00:27:49.170 align:middle line:84% And that's not mutually exclusive from any other ideas 00:27:49.170 --> 00:27:49.930 align:middle line:84% that are specifically about the patient 00:27:49.930 --> 00:27:51.430 align:middle line:90% and the doctor, right? 00:27:51.430 --> 00:27:55.570 align:middle line:84% So we're talking about what happens to the patient. 00:27:55.570 --> 00:27:57.610 align:middle line:84% These are the rules a patient could be operating under. 00:27:57.610 --> 00:27:59.176 align:middle line:84% The doctor could have a different set of rules. 00:27:59.176 --> 00:28:01.860 align:middle line:90% 00:28:01.860 --> 00:28:05.286 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: I was reading about this, and I think that it 00:28:05.286 --> 00:28:09.970 align:middle line:84% turns out most violence in psychiatric wards happens to 00:28:09.970 --> 00:28:13.130 align:middle line:84% the patients themselves or to other patients by patients. 00:28:13.130 --> 00:28:18.270 align:middle line:84% Much more than it actually happens towards practitioners. 00:28:18.270 --> 00:28:21.780 align:middle line:84% And I'm just noticing that I don't think any of our ideas 00:28:21.780 --> 00:28:24.560 align:middle line:90% address any of those issues. 00:28:24.560 --> 00:28:28.570 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: Ward management maybe gets a little closer. 00:28:28.570 --> 00:28:31.410 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: People start turning on themselves. 00:28:31.410 --> 00:28:34.160 align:middle line:84% And I was just thinking another possible way you could 00:28:34.160 --> 00:28:37.230 align:middle line:84% apply a lot of these role-playing multiple role 00:28:37.230 --> 00:28:40.310 align:middle line:84% auditory mechanics is to a situation. 00:28:40.310 --> 00:28:44.490 align:middle line:84% We should probably do research in what situations lead to 00:28:44.490 --> 00:28:48.025 align:middle line:84% patients coming in contact with each other and the 00:28:48.025 --> 00:28:49.980 align:middle line:90% encounter turning violent. 00:28:49.980 --> 00:28:51.940 align:middle line:84% And all players be patients that have various different 00:28:51.940 --> 00:28:56.140 align:middle line:84% mental disorders, and just to help you understand as a 00:28:56.140 --> 00:28:58.840 align:middle line:84% patient what kinds of behaviors and situations would 00:28:58.840 --> 00:29:03.450 align:middle line:84% lead you to going violent on someone else. 00:29:03.450 --> 00:29:05.870 align:middle line:84% Just like one of those, be in someone else's shoes helps you 00:29:05.870 --> 00:29:07.300 align:middle line:84% understand the situation better. 00:29:07.300 --> 00:29:12.520 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: So we're just putting them in an environment 00:29:12.520 --> 00:29:16.857 align:middle line:84% where everything that is necessary for a different 00:29:16.857 --> 00:29:21.828 align:middle line:84% character to become upset and violent and just see how it 00:29:21.828 --> 00:29:22.784 align:middle line:90% naturally occurs. 00:29:22.784 --> 00:29:24.034 align:middle line:90% [INAUDIBLE]. 00:29:24.034 --> 00:29:26.620 align:middle line:90% 00:29:26.620 --> 00:29:27.990 align:middle line:90% OK. 00:29:27.990 --> 00:29:30.500 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: They gave a persuasion that's a cross 00:29:30.500 --> 00:29:32.500 align:middle line:90% between BS and Uno. 00:29:32.500 --> 00:29:34.280 align:middle line:84% So you have two doctors who are trying to get rid of cards 00:29:34.280 --> 00:29:38.560 align:middle line:84% in their hand, and the patient wants a certain set of cards. 00:29:38.560 --> 00:29:40.985 align:middle line:84% And he's saying, I'm looking for John. 00:29:40.985 --> 00:29:45.182 align:middle line:84% And the two doctors pull out a hard and say, oh this is John. 00:29:45.182 --> 00:29:46.829 align:middle line:84% Or they can be like, oh this isn't John but I can 00:29:46.829 --> 00:29:48.079 align:middle line:90% help you out later. 00:29:48.079 --> 00:29:50.520 align:middle line:90% 00:29:50.520 --> 00:29:54.496 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: That almost seems like it's intended to teach 00:29:54.496 --> 00:29:55.490 align:middle line:90% people about lying. 00:29:55.490 --> 00:29:56.981 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: Yes. 00:29:56.981 --> 00:30:02.448 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: So, I'm going to say it's almost 00:30:02.448 --> 00:30:04.436 align:middle line:90% like BS and Go Fish. 00:30:04.436 --> 00:30:17.358 align:middle line:90% 00:30:17.358 --> 00:30:20.360 align:middle line:84% So we have a pretty good pile here. 00:30:20.360 --> 00:30:25.860 align:middle line:84% A lot of these can obviously be combined. 00:30:25.860 --> 00:30:28.890 align:middle line:84% And there's no reason why multiple groups couldn't 00:30:28.890 --> 00:30:30.940 align:middle line:90% attempt to do similar topics. 00:30:30.940 --> 00:30:34.295 align:middle line:84% In fact, you could take exactly the same set and I'm 00:30:34.295 --> 00:30:36.760 align:middle line:84% pretty sure you're going to [INAUDIBLE]. 00:30:36.760 --> 00:30:38.346 align:middle line:90% So that's fine. 00:30:38.346 --> 00:30:42.420 align:middle line:84% Again, a lot of things that could probably be easier done 00:30:42.420 --> 00:30:43.200 align:middle line:90% live-action. 00:30:43.200 --> 00:30:46.280 align:middle line:84% Or easier to do a prototype live-action. 00:30:46.280 --> 00:30:53.020 align:middle line:84% The folks who were here on Monday, they are actually 00:30:53.020 --> 00:30:58.912 align:middle line:84% focused mostly on trying to see what could be moved out to 00:30:58.912 --> 00:31:03.180 align:middle line:84% more resonant things in the future. 00:31:03.180 --> 00:31:04.785 align:middle line:84% Your games don't necessarily need to do that. 00:31:04.785 --> 00:31:08.910 align:middle line:84% But you might want to keep that in mind. 00:31:08.910 --> 00:31:12.834 align:middle line:84% Because this assignment is a game for a client after all. 00:31:12.834 --> 00:31:15.750 align:middle line:84% And if you manage to address that need-- 00:31:15.750 --> 00:31:18.880 align:middle line:84% here's something that doesn't require one person from the 00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:20.477 align:middle line:90% original GM team. 00:31:20.477 --> 00:31:24.149 align:middle line:90% 00:31:24.149 --> 00:31:28.620 align:middle line:84% You can imagine the acting exercise that we ran through, 00:31:28.620 --> 00:31:30.930 align:middle line:84% beyond talented improvising on their feet. 00:31:30.930 --> 00:31:35.280 align:middle line:90% 00:31:35.280 --> 00:31:40.456 align:middle line:84% Requires people and requires responses that may not 00:31:40.456 --> 00:31:44.963 align:middle line:84% necessarily every gaming environment's going to have. 00:31:44.963 --> 00:31:48.330 align:middle line:84% Something that can be turned into a very understandable set 00:31:48.330 --> 00:31:52.974 align:middle line:84% of rules or using technologies that are very accessible. 00:31:52.974 --> 00:31:56.132 align:middle line:84% They're going to play your voice and its going to be a 00:31:56.132 --> 00:32:00.102 align:middle line:84% lot easier than something like formulas or something like a 00:32:00.102 --> 00:32:04.638 align:middle line:84% phone as opposed to [INAUDIBLE]. 00:32:04.638 --> 00:32:07.730 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: It was a phone conversation actually going? 00:32:07.730 --> 00:32:10.244 align:middle line:84% So if it's live, and people are in different rooms, and 00:32:10.244 --> 00:32:12.584 align:middle line:84% actually talking to each other over the phone or Skype or 00:32:12.584 --> 00:32:13.172 align:middle line:90% something like that. 00:32:13.172 --> 00:32:14.980 align:middle line:90% But you're talking to someone? 00:32:14.980 --> 00:32:17.159 align:middle line:84% You have the phone-ups and then that other person can 00:32:17.159 --> 00:32:19.270 align:middle line:84% hear what you're saying and be the evil voice? 00:32:19.270 --> 00:32:21.870 align:middle line:90% 00:32:21.870 --> 00:32:23.229 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: That's the thing, you don't even 00:32:23.229 --> 00:32:23.850 align:middle line:90% need to do it on Skype. 00:32:23.850 --> 00:32:26.830 align:middle line:84% You just get two cell phones with [INTERPOSING VOICES] 00:32:26.830 --> 00:32:29.520 align:middle line:90% 00:32:29.520 --> 00:32:33.140 align:middle line:84% Now, the technology just becomes that much easier for 00:32:33.140 --> 00:32:34.390 align:middle line:90% games [INAUDIBLE PHRASE]. 00:32:34.390 --> 00:32:39.960 align:middle line:90% 00:32:39.960 --> 00:32:43.320 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: Or you could make it like if there's some game that 00:32:43.320 --> 00:32:44.100 align:middle line:90% two people are playing. 00:32:44.100 --> 00:32:46.120 align:middle line:84% The two groups that are playing the same game but they 00:32:46.120 --> 00:32:47.530 align:middle line:90% both hear the other group. 00:32:47.530 --> 00:32:49.230 align:middle line:84% Like this group would hear the other 00:32:49.230 --> 00:32:50.970 align:middle line:90% group's playing the game. 00:32:50.970 --> 00:32:52.725 align:middle line:84% So it's not even just a random conversation. 00:32:52.725 --> 00:32:55.048 align:middle line:84% They're playing the same game you're playing but you're 00:32:55.048 --> 00:32:56.950 align:middle line:90% hearing them play games. 00:32:56.950 --> 00:32:59.390 align:middle line:90% PROFESSOR: Wow. 00:32:59.390 --> 00:33:00.845 align:middle line:90% Wow. 00:33:00.845 --> 00:33:01.611 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: That's deep. 00:33:01.611 --> 00:33:06.030 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: I could say two groups 00:33:06.030 --> 00:33:07.280 align:middle line:90% eavesdropping same game. 00:33:07.280 --> 00:33:10.940 align:middle line:90% 00:33:10.940 --> 00:33:15.562 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: I just wanted to say that I think the thing which 00:33:15.562 --> 00:33:19.496 align:middle line:84% is really hard if you're working with people who like 00:33:19.496 --> 00:33:23.384 align:middle line:84% don't really want to do a role-playing thing is building 00:33:23.384 --> 00:33:28.990 align:middle line:84% a level of emotional intensity and the fear of violence. 00:33:28.990 --> 00:33:31.194 align:middle line:84% Which is the point of the training. 00:33:31.194 --> 00:33:34.330 align:middle line:84% They want them to be able to deal with that kind of 00:33:34.330 --> 00:33:37.520 align:middle line:90% emotional stress on your feet. 00:33:37.520 --> 00:33:39.620 align:middle line:90% So I was just wondering. 00:33:39.620 --> 00:33:41.460 align:middle line:84% Because I don't have any good ideas. 00:33:41.460 --> 00:33:44.554 align:middle line:84% Can anyone think of something which works out? 00:33:44.554 --> 00:33:45.891 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: Which could genuinely create a situation 00:33:45.891 --> 00:33:48.186 align:middle line:84% where one could be afraid of violence? 00:33:48.186 --> 00:33:51.138 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: Without actually having to 00:33:51.138 --> 00:33:53.620 align:middle line:90% threaten another person. 00:33:53.620 --> 00:33:56.260 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: I don't think you're going to be able to do that. 00:33:56.260 --> 00:34:02.750 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: Well, if one player's role is actually not 00:34:02.750 --> 00:34:06.160 align:middle line:84% to understand but to provide the experience for the other? 00:34:06.160 --> 00:34:09.090 align:middle line:84% And they are hearing the recording that's giving them 00:34:09.090 --> 00:34:12.250 align:middle line:90% cues as to what to do? 00:34:12.250 --> 00:34:13.679 align:middle line:84% And the other player's not agreed to this, and one of 00:34:13.679 --> 00:34:17.952 align:middle line:84% their cues is like and now, grab the other player by the 00:34:17.952 --> 00:34:20.949 align:middle line:84% shoulders and shake them violently and say something. 00:34:20.949 --> 00:34:23.575 align:middle line:84% You could possibly create a situation where 00:34:23.575 --> 00:34:26.284 align:middle line:90% you're like, whoa. 00:34:26.284 --> 00:34:27.449 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: The problem is you have to be able to get 00:34:27.449 --> 00:34:30.097 align:middle line:84% somebody who can do that without cracking up in the 00:34:30.097 --> 00:34:30.639 align:middle line:90% middle of it. 00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:33.790 align:middle line:84% Because people do that when they're nervous and 00:34:33.790 --> 00:34:35.710 align:middle line:90% uncomfortable. 00:34:35.710 --> 00:34:37.170 align:middle line:84% So you'd pretty much be reduced to finding 00:34:37.170 --> 00:34:39.060 align:middle line:90% professional actors. 00:34:39.060 --> 00:34:42.676 align:middle line:84% And that's a limited resource that puts a limitation on how 00:34:42.676 --> 00:34:43.911 align:middle line:90% widespread your game is. 00:34:43.911 --> 00:34:45.887 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: Even people who are [INAUDIBLE]. 00:34:45.887 --> 00:34:49.345 align:middle line:90% 00:34:49.345 --> 00:34:52.556 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: I had a thought where you have a patient to 00:34:52.556 --> 00:34:53.791 align:middle line:90% patient interaction. 00:34:53.791 --> 00:34:55.521 align:middle line:84% So you have two people in different rooms on the phone 00:34:55.521 --> 00:34:59.460 align:middle line:84% with each other trying to negotiate something. 00:34:59.460 --> 00:35:01.264 align:middle line:90% I don't know what it would be. 00:35:01.264 --> 00:35:04.228 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: And some other people in each of their rooms 00:35:04.228 --> 00:35:07.192 align:middle line:84% that are talking in their ear and trying to distract them 00:35:07.192 --> 00:35:08.180 align:middle line:90% from the conversation. 00:35:08.180 --> 00:35:13.120 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: OK, so patient talks to patient. 00:35:13.120 --> 00:35:15.096 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: Maybe it could be something like they're trying 00:35:15.096 --> 00:35:16.578 align:middle line:90% to negotiate [INAUDIBLE]. 00:35:16.578 --> 00:35:20.530 align:middle line:90% 00:35:20.530 --> 00:35:23.000 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: With voices in-person? 00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:28.930 align:middle line:90% 00:35:28.930 --> 00:35:33.258 align:middle line:84% There is a specific article on schizophrenia that I uploaded 00:35:33.258 --> 00:35:34.719 align:middle line:90% in your resources. 00:35:34.719 --> 00:35:35.969 align:middle line:90% [INTERPOSING VOICES] 00:35:35.969 --> 00:35:41.050 align:middle line:90% 00:35:41.050 --> 00:35:43.972 align:middle line:90% Patrick first, then Michelle? 00:35:43.972 --> 00:35:46.200 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: So I was thinking something along the lines of 00:35:46.200 --> 00:35:46.540 align:middle line:90% Battleship? 00:35:46.540 --> 00:35:49.445 align:middle line:84% If you have a doctor player and a patient player and 00:35:49.445 --> 00:35:53.860 align:middle line:84% they're both looking at their own version of the same board. 00:35:53.860 --> 00:35:58.640 align:middle line:84% And if the patient wants to get from one end to the other 00:35:58.640 --> 00:36:01.245 align:middle line:84% and the doctor has to allow whether or not they can make 00:36:01.245 --> 00:36:01.920 align:middle line:90% their move. 00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:04.970 align:middle line:84% But on the doctor's board they have different obstacles. 00:36:04.970 --> 00:36:07.306 align:middle line:84% And so the patient will say, I want to move 00:36:07.306 --> 00:36:07.540 align:middle line:90% from here to here. 00:36:07.540 --> 00:36:09.300 align:middle line:84% And the doctor says, I can't let you do that. 00:36:09.300 --> 00:36:11.490 align:middle line:84% I can let you go from here to here. 00:36:11.490 --> 00:36:13.590 align:middle line:84% It'd be a game about compromise. 00:36:13.590 --> 00:36:19.306 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: OK, so sort of a doctor mediated 00:36:19.306 --> 00:36:20.556 align:middle line:90% [UNINTELLIGIBLE PHRASE]. 00:36:20.556 --> 00:36:27.810 align:middle line:90% 00:36:27.810 --> 00:36:32.003 align:middle line:84% And the Battleship analogy is good to help us remember where 00:36:32.003 --> 00:36:34.220 align:middle line:90% the idea came from. 00:36:34.220 --> 00:36:35.170 align:middle line:90% Michelle? 00:36:35.170 --> 00:36:38.030 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: Yeah, so just something that Owen said about 00:36:38.030 --> 00:36:39.890 align:middle line:90% trying to simulate fear. 00:36:39.890 --> 00:36:43.060 align:middle line:84% I mean, if you can add time pressure to any game then I 00:36:43.060 --> 00:36:48.615 align:middle line:84% think that strong of a stress situation can almost be fear. 00:36:48.615 --> 00:36:49.895 align:middle line:90% It can get [UNINTELLIGIBLE]. 00:36:49.895 --> 00:36:54.363 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: Because what you're really going for is stress in 00:36:54.363 --> 00:36:55.000 align:middle line:90% making decisions. 00:36:55.000 --> 00:36:57.876 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: [UNINTELLIGIBLE] created stress without the 00:36:57.876 --> 00:36:59.126 align:middle line:90% [INTERPOSING VOICES] 00:36:59.126 --> 00:37:04.280 align:middle line:90% 00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:08.190 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: So, an idea of how to take the doctor mediated 00:37:08.190 --> 00:37:11.250 align:middle line:84% board movement into the real world? 00:37:11.250 --> 00:37:13.900 align:middle line:84% We're talking about these phone to phone conversations. 00:37:13.900 --> 00:37:19.340 align:middle line:84% You could have the patient in a room but he's blindfolded. 00:37:19.340 --> 00:37:22.210 align:middle line:84% And he's trying to move through the room towards an 00:37:22.210 --> 00:37:23.320 align:middle line:90% exit in the room or something. 00:37:23.320 --> 00:37:25.920 align:middle line:84% And the doctor has some limited information about the 00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:29.700 align:middle line:84% room and has to help him navigate through the room. 00:37:29.700 --> 00:37:32.740 align:middle line:84% And he'll say, I want to move forward. 00:37:32.740 --> 00:37:36.460 align:middle line:84% And he'll say, well I can't really let you do that because 00:37:36.460 --> 00:37:38.910 align:middle line:84% there's a pit fill of spikes in front of you. 00:37:38.910 --> 00:37:40.740 align:middle line:84% And you wouldn't necessarily actually have a real pit full 00:37:40.740 --> 00:37:41.160 align:middle line:90% of spikes in front of them. 00:37:41.160 --> 00:37:44.020 align:middle line:84% But that kind of thing where you're trying to gather 00:37:44.020 --> 00:37:46.690 align:middle line:84% information and help them through this. 00:37:46.690 --> 00:37:50.540 align:middle line:84% And you could put time pressure on it and say, well I 00:37:50.540 --> 00:37:54.205 align:middle line:84% have to make a decision now because he wants to move now. 00:37:54.205 --> 00:37:57.165 align:middle line:84% But I might accidentally move him into an obstacle and have 00:37:57.165 --> 00:37:59.750 align:middle line:90% to deal with that. 00:37:59.750 --> 00:38:03.030 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: You could have a thing where there are some 00:38:03.030 --> 00:38:09.060 align:middle line:84% things that the patient needs to do that the patient can't 00:38:09.060 --> 00:38:11.407 align:middle line:90% talk about. 00:38:11.407 --> 00:38:15.074 align:middle line:84% And it might be something like the patient has to move every 00:38:15.074 --> 00:38:15.808 align:middle line:90% 10 minutes. 00:38:15.808 --> 00:38:16.297 align:middle line:84% And only the patient knows this. 00:38:16.297 --> 00:38:17.770 align:middle line:90% The doctor doesn't. 00:38:17.770 --> 00:38:20.710 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: The patient has a fear of moving to the left. 00:38:20.710 --> 00:38:22.315 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: Or something like that. 00:38:22.315 --> 00:38:22.750 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: Things like that. 00:38:22.750 --> 00:38:23.620 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: Patient has to move left, right. 00:38:23.620 --> 00:38:26.820 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: I think it also emphasizes the thing they were 00:38:26.820 --> 00:38:28.850 align:middle line:84% talking about on Monday in that you are 00:38:28.850 --> 00:38:32.370 align:middle line:90% both trying to not-- 00:38:32.370 --> 00:38:35.840 align:middle line:84% if it escalates to the point where violence happens-- 00:38:35.840 --> 00:38:38.270 align:middle line:84% you're both trying to not let yourself get hurt but you're 00:38:38.270 --> 00:38:40.790 align:middle line:90% also trying to not hurt them. 00:38:40.790 --> 00:38:43.810 align:middle line:84% And I think incorporating that in some way might be cool. 00:38:43.810 --> 00:38:47.290 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: Definitely a lot of these ideas are sort of 00:38:47.290 --> 00:38:51.010 align:middle line:84% mechanicing the patient's limitations are really, 00:38:51.010 --> 00:38:52.250 align:middle line:90% really, cool. 00:38:52.250 --> 00:38:55.700 align:middle line:84% But again, remember the audience is the residents. 00:38:55.700 --> 00:38:57.910 align:middle line:84% So understanding what a patient is 00:38:57.910 --> 00:39:00.168 align:middle line:90% going through is useful. 00:39:00.168 --> 00:39:04.309 align:middle line:84% But also thinking of rules that help a resident 00:39:04.309 --> 00:39:07.385 align:middle line:84% understand what they can do is also really important. 00:39:07.385 --> 00:39:09.114 align:middle line:84% So don't just think about throwing a ton of limitations 00:39:09.114 --> 00:39:12.986 align:middle line:84% on them without also given them a release. 00:39:12.986 --> 00:39:14.922 align:middle line:84% Things that they can actively do. 00:39:14.922 --> 00:39:16.858 align:middle line:90% Words that they can carry out. 00:39:16.858 --> 00:39:20.488 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: So, working off the time pressure thing, I think 00:39:20.488 --> 00:39:23.700 align:middle line:84% that it might make sense for these kinds of escalation, 00:39:23.700 --> 00:39:28.470 align:middle line:84% negotiation type, situations for the person who's 00:39:28.470 --> 00:39:32.600 align:middle line:84% controlling the patient to know what their triggers are. 00:39:32.600 --> 00:39:37.390 align:middle line:84% And every time a bad thing is said, they just reduce the 00:39:37.390 --> 00:39:40.555 align:middle line:84% amount of time that the doctor has to deal with them. 00:39:40.555 --> 00:39:45.400 align:middle line:84% And they say that, they just say minus 10 seconds. 00:39:45.400 --> 00:39:48.015 align:middle line:84% And they have a timer and it ticks down to reach the 00:39:48.015 --> 00:39:50.600 align:middle line:84% conclusion of the doctor getting them to where they 00:39:50.600 --> 00:39:53.166 align:middle line:90% want to be. 00:39:53.166 --> 00:39:56.060 align:middle line:84% And rather than like raising their voice, or being 00:39:56.060 --> 00:40:00.229 align:middle line:84% physically in some way, they just adjust a timer. 00:40:00.229 --> 00:40:03.652 align:middle line:84% And when it gets down to zero it's over. 00:40:03.652 --> 00:40:05.608 align:middle line:90% PROFESSOR: I can see that. 00:40:05.608 --> 00:40:06.858 align:middle line:90% [UNINTELLIGIBLE PHRASE] 00:40:06.858 --> 00:40:14.900 align:middle line:90% 00:40:14.900 --> 00:40:16.720 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: I'd just like to say, one way you could make 00:40:16.720 --> 00:40:18.860 align:middle line:84% your players feel pressure is to give them a really flat 00:40:18.860 --> 00:40:20.870 align:middle line:90% goal hierarchy. 00:40:20.870 --> 00:40:21.160 align:middle line:90% Right? 00:40:21.160 --> 00:40:24.250 align:middle line:84% So a good example is Missile Command. 00:40:24.250 --> 00:40:25.930 align:middle line:90% Does everyone know that game? 00:40:25.930 --> 00:40:27.440 align:middle line:84% Missile Command is just six cities. 00:40:27.440 --> 00:40:29.020 align:middle line:84% And there's missiles coming in and you have to 00:40:29.020 --> 00:40:29.930 align:middle line:90% shoot them all down. 00:40:29.930 --> 00:40:32.460 align:middle line:84% And each city is equally valuable. 00:40:32.460 --> 00:40:37.920 align:middle line:84% So if you lose one you're in a drastically reduced position. 00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:40.870 align:middle line:84% Whereas games that tend to have a more structured goal 00:40:40.870 --> 00:40:44.570 align:middle line:84% hierarchy basically means you can afford a loss. 00:40:44.570 --> 00:40:44.900 align:middle line:90% Right? 00:40:44.900 --> 00:40:46.440 align:middle line:84% So like chess is a good example. 00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:48.450 align:middle line:84% Where you can say, OK I can afford to lose this. 00:40:48.450 --> 00:40:51.720 align:middle line:84% Whereas in Missile Command you can't afford to lose anything. 00:40:51.720 --> 00:40:56.832 align:middle line:84% So by really capping what the player has, what they can 00:40:56.832 --> 00:41:00.340 align:middle line:84% afford to lose, and then making sure that all of their 00:41:00.340 --> 00:41:03.260 align:middle line:84% goals have equal value, that means that every loss and 00:41:03.260 --> 00:41:06.400 align:middle line:84% every failure is felt much more strongly. 00:41:06.400 --> 00:41:11.250 align:middle line:84% And I felt like, Dion when you were doing your role play, 00:41:11.250 --> 00:41:14.932 align:middle line:84% there was this sense, especially coming from Caesar, 00:41:14.932 --> 00:41:19.010 align:middle line:84% that any one thing that goes wrong is really bad. 00:41:19.010 --> 00:41:21.260 align:middle line:84% There's a really thin line there. 00:41:21.260 --> 00:41:23.150 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: That's especially applicable when talking about 00:41:23.150 --> 00:41:25.020 align:middle line:84% the doctor's goals, not necessarily 00:41:25.020 --> 00:41:26.430 align:middle line:90% the patient's goals. 00:41:26.430 --> 00:41:28.820 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: I mean, from the doctors' position right? 00:41:28.820 --> 00:41:31.711 align:middle line:84% You can't really afford a lot of mistakes in these 00:41:31.711 --> 00:41:32.961 align:middle line:90% situations. 00:41:32.961 --> 00:41:37.612 align:middle line:90% 00:41:37.612 --> 00:41:40.738 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: I'm kind of aghast, but I was listening to what 00:41:40.738 --> 00:41:45.700 align:middle line:84% you were saying and I have a thought on how to combine lots 00:41:45.700 --> 00:41:47.895 align:middle line:90% of these different ideas. 00:41:47.895 --> 00:41:50.800 align:middle line:84% I'm envisioning a game where there'd be two types of 00:41:50.800 --> 00:41:52.320 align:middle line:90% players, like you were 00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:54.680 align:middle line:90% mentioning, doctors and patients. 00:41:54.680 --> 00:41:58.180 align:middle line:84% And there'd be one doctor and multiple patients. 00:41:58.180 --> 00:42:00.950 align:middle line:84% It would be a turn based game where you go around and give 00:42:00.950 --> 00:42:01.950 align:middle line:90% each person a turn. 00:42:01.950 --> 00:42:04.500 align:middle line:84% The doctor would always be in relationship to each 00:42:04.500 --> 00:42:06.210 align:middle line:90% individual one. 00:42:06.210 --> 00:42:11.100 align:middle line:84% And limited vocabulary I thought was important, taking 00:42:11.100 --> 00:42:12.660 align:middle line:84% that from a couple of the ideas. 00:42:12.660 --> 00:42:14.950 align:middle line:84% The patient and the doctor each have their own set of 00:42:14.950 --> 00:42:16.970 align:middle line:84% vocabularies and the clash of that would 00:42:16.970 --> 00:42:20.380 align:middle line:90% introduce mechanic there. 00:42:20.380 --> 00:42:25.375 align:middle line:84% Where the patient has their own vocabulary describing to 00:42:25.375 --> 00:42:28.030 align:middle line:84% the doctor what they like, what they don't like. 00:42:28.030 --> 00:42:29.240 align:middle line:90% They know what they like. 00:42:29.240 --> 00:42:37.510 align:middle line:84% You could extract it to describe anything the doctor 00:42:37.510 --> 00:42:39.090 align:middle line:84% would have in their vocabulary. 00:42:39.090 --> 00:42:43.072 align:middle line:84% So, as one example the doctor could give the patient a card 00:42:43.072 --> 00:42:45.530 align:middle line:84% with a shape or some item on it. 00:42:45.530 --> 00:42:48.920 align:middle line:84% And the item has attributes like color, shape, something 00:42:48.920 --> 00:42:51.190 align:middle line:84% that somebody could like or dislike. 00:42:51.190 --> 00:42:56.820 align:middle line:84% In their list they could look at this and see one of these 00:42:56.820 --> 00:43:00.450 align:middle line:84% things clashes with something in my list of dislikes. 00:43:00.450 --> 00:43:01.460 align:middle line:90% I don't like that card. 00:43:01.460 --> 00:43:05.760 align:middle line:84% I'm going to escalate my anger, my displeasure, with 00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:07.170 align:middle line:90% the situation. 00:43:07.170 --> 00:43:10.480 align:middle line:84% And so, the doctor has a limited amount of time to deal 00:43:10.480 --> 00:43:12.270 align:middle line:90% with each patient. 00:43:12.270 --> 00:43:16.800 align:middle line:84% As the patient's escalation increases, they have less and 00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:18.250 align:middle line:90% less time to be dealt with. 00:43:18.250 --> 00:43:21.460 align:middle line:84% After a certain point the doctor loses that patient, so 00:43:21.460 --> 00:43:24.300 align:middle line:90% you have that loss brought in. 00:43:24.300 --> 00:43:27.860 align:middle line:84% And then after all the patients have been lost the 00:43:27.860 --> 00:43:29.050 align:middle line:90% game is over. 00:43:29.050 --> 00:43:32.050 align:middle line:84% The way that it would be won is that the doctor is 00:43:32.050 --> 00:43:34.180 align:middle line:84% discovering the profile of each patient. 00:43:34.180 --> 00:43:39.043 align:middle line:84% Because they are trying to, like in a normal setting or a 00:43:39.043 --> 00:43:42.150 align:middle line:84% real world setting, you're trying to discover the profile 00:43:42.150 --> 00:43:46.620 align:middle line:84% that allows the doctor to deal with the patient in the best 00:43:46.620 --> 00:43:49.140 align:middle line:84% possible way so that they aren't violent. 00:43:49.140 --> 00:43:53.600 align:middle line:90% 00:43:53.600 --> 00:43:57.623 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: So that seems to play off the patient and 00:43:57.623 --> 00:44:01.487 align:middle line:84% doctor have different rules and triggers. 00:44:01.487 --> 00:44:04.481 align:middle line:84% You've got a situation where, in what you're suggesting, you 00:44:04.481 --> 00:44:07.770 align:middle line:84% have one doctor and multiple patients. 00:44:07.770 --> 00:44:08.970 align:middle line:90% Which is accurate. 00:44:08.970 --> 00:44:11.620 align:middle line:84% I'm not quite sure that they'd be dealing with them 00:44:11.620 --> 00:44:13.310 align:middle line:84% simultaneously but it might not matter for the 00:44:13.310 --> 00:44:14.560 align:middle line:90% purposes of the game. 00:44:14.560 --> 00:44:20.280 align:middle line:90% 00:44:20.280 --> 00:44:24.690 align:middle line:84% It might be like those improv games where you manage to 00:44:24.690 --> 00:44:30.720 align:middle line:84% figure out before time runs out what a 00:44:30.720 --> 00:44:31.870 align:middle line:90% person's profile is. 00:44:31.870 --> 00:44:35.510 align:middle line:84% That could be the win condition. 00:44:35.510 --> 00:44:37.450 align:middle line:84% So it's equal win [UNINTELLIGIBLE] 00:44:37.450 --> 00:44:40.649 align:middle line:84% and equal loss if you don't actually get it incorporated 00:44:40.649 --> 00:44:44.416 align:middle line:84% with something like you give a trigger and reduce the amount 00:44:44.416 --> 00:44:46.146 align:middle line:84% of time you have available, the number of turns available. 00:44:46.146 --> 00:44:47.628 align:middle line:84% It doesn't have to be real time. 00:44:47.628 --> 00:44:54.544 align:middle line:90% 00:44:54.544 --> 00:44:55.794 align:middle line:84% So you can use it with multiple patients. 00:44:55.794 --> 00:45:00.472 align:middle line:90% 00:45:00.472 --> 00:45:05.310 align:middle line:84% So that doesn't even necessarily have to deal with 00:45:05.310 --> 00:45:09.050 align:middle line:84% talking about actual psychiatric ward situations. 00:45:09.050 --> 00:45:13.048 align:middle line:84% That could be something like objects and colors. 00:45:13.048 --> 00:45:14.860 align:middle line:90% It's more of a guessing game. 00:45:14.860 --> 00:45:18.480 align:middle line:84% That might be too abstract, possibly, because in the end 00:45:18.480 --> 00:45:23.490 align:middle line:84% you want people to be able to tie it back to the experience. 00:45:23.490 --> 00:45:26.350 align:middle line:84% To be able to make an easy connection to what it's like 00:45:26.350 --> 00:45:27.770 align:middle line:84% to be a resident or what it's going to be 00:45:27.770 --> 00:45:29.860 align:middle line:90% like to be a resident. 00:45:29.860 --> 00:45:36.310 align:middle line:84% So this is where the theme needs to be pretty clear. 00:45:36.310 --> 00:45:37.350 align:middle line:90% But in [UNINTELLIGIBLE] 00:45:37.350 --> 00:45:39.556 align:middle line:90% talked, fear is not meaning. 00:45:39.556 --> 00:45:43.900 align:middle line:84% Meaning is also tied pretty well with your mechanics. 00:45:43.900 --> 00:45:47.310 align:middle line:84% So that's just something to keep in mind. 00:45:47.310 --> 00:45:53.240 align:middle line:90% 00:45:53.240 --> 00:45:55.470 align:middle line:90% OK? 00:45:55.470 --> 00:45:59.692 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: We probably have another half-an-hour class. 00:45:59.692 --> 00:46:04.570 align:middle line:84% I think the plan was just to let everyone figure out teams 00:46:04.570 --> 00:46:06.500 align:middle line:90% you wanted to be in. 00:46:06.500 --> 00:46:12.660 align:middle line:84% This is going to be class time to talk to each other and see 00:46:12.660 --> 00:46:15.770 align:middle line:84% if there's stuff in here that people are 00:46:15.770 --> 00:46:17.280 align:middle line:90% really psyched about. 00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:20.190 align:middle line:84% Is there anyone in this class that's already like, this is 00:46:20.190 --> 00:46:21.440 align:middle line:90% something I really want to do? 00:46:21.440 --> 00:46:23.845 align:middle line:90% 00:46:23.845 --> 00:46:25.855 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: Well, my preference is towards the ward advantage. 00:46:25.855 --> 00:46:28.710 align:middle line:90% 00:46:28.710 --> 00:46:29.960 align:middle line:90% To ward advantage? 00:46:29.960 --> 00:46:38.766 align:middle line:90% 00:46:38.766 --> 00:46:41.256 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: I don't really have a plan [INAUDIBLE]. 00:46:41.256 --> 00:46:45.120 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: I'd be interested in voices and hidden information. 00:46:45.120 --> 00:46:49.860 align:middle line:84% So fooling players and that result in them behaving in 00:46:49.860 --> 00:46:51.220 align:middle line:90% erratic ways. 00:46:51.220 --> 00:46:53.700 align:middle line:84% And as from the point of view of other players, and then the 00:46:53.700 --> 00:46:55.080 align:middle line:84% point of view of player's behaving erratically, other 00:46:55.080 --> 00:46:56.336 align:middle line:84% players are behaving erratically because it's not 00:46:56.336 --> 00:46:59.140 align:middle line:84% in line with what they think is actually going on. 00:46:59.140 --> 00:47:02.398 align:middle line:84% Or voices, or both, or something like that. 00:47:02.398 --> 00:47:04.039 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: So that's the general territory you're 00:47:04.039 --> 00:47:06.150 align:middle line:90% interested in going into? 00:47:06.150 --> 00:47:08.026 align:middle line:90% Who wants to? 00:47:08.026 --> 00:47:09.490 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: I'm very interested in the escalation and 00:47:09.490 --> 00:47:11.200 align:middle line:84% de-escalation by hidden keywords. 00:47:11.200 --> 00:47:12.450 align:middle line:90% [INAUDIBLE]. 00:47:12.450 --> 00:47:15.800 align:middle line:90% 00:47:15.800 --> 00:47:19.252 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: I like basically hidden rules, goals, and 00:47:19.252 --> 00:47:20.925 align:middle line:84% keywords, and two different players 00:47:20.925 --> 00:47:23.322 align:middle line:90% playing the same character. 00:47:23.322 --> 00:47:24.801 align:middle line:84% Those are two mechanics I really like. 00:47:24.801 --> 00:47:31.220 align:middle line:90% 00:47:31.220 --> 00:47:34.930 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: We have a couple of seats out there. 00:47:34.930 --> 00:47:36.180 align:middle line:84% Caffeine helps, there's a bunch. 00:47:36.180 --> 00:47:40.370 align:middle line:90% 00:47:40.370 --> 00:47:42.820 align:middle line:90% What do we have on Friday? 00:47:42.820 --> 00:47:45.270 align:middle line:84% GUEST SPEAKER: On Friday we mostly just have brainstorming 00:47:45.270 --> 00:47:46.250 align:middle line:90% and team-building scheduled? 00:47:46.250 --> 00:47:48.220 align:middle line:90% That time is pretty flexible. 00:47:48.220 --> 00:47:51.735 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: S0 what I can do maybe, if folks can plan to 00:47:51.735 --> 00:47:56.200 align:middle line:84% come into Wednesday with a team, what I'm going to do is 00:47:56.200 --> 00:47:57.590 align:middle line:90% I might move my-- 00:47:57.590 --> 00:47:58.910 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: You mean Friday? 00:47:58.910 --> 00:48:02.320 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: --Sorry, Friday, yeah. 00:48:02.320 --> 00:48:04.695 align:middle line:84% Then I will move my live-action talk 00:48:04.695 --> 00:48:06.410 align:middle line:90% up to Friday instead. 00:48:06.410 --> 00:48:10.640 align:middle line:84% So Wednesday we can just-- since it seems like a lot of 00:48:10.640 --> 00:48:11.890 align:middle line:84% people are going in that direction. 00:48:11.890 --> 00:48:15.180 align:middle line:90% 00:48:15.180 --> 00:48:17.360 align:middle line:84% You don't have to do a live-action game, but it's one 00:48:17.360 --> 00:48:18.610 align:middle line:90% of my favorite games. 00:48:18.610 --> 00:48:19.931 align:middle line:90%