WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:00.090 align:middle line:90% 00:00:00.090 --> 00:00:02.490 align:middle line:84% The following content is provided under a Creative 00:00:02.490 --> 00:00:04.030 align:middle line:90% Commons license. 00:00:04.030 --> 00:00:06.360 align:middle line:84% Your support will help MIT OpenCourseWare 00:00:06.360 --> 00:00:10.720 align:middle line:84% continue to offer high-quality educational resources for free. 00:00:10.720 --> 00:00:13.320 align:middle line:84% To make a donation or view additional materials 00:00:13.320 --> 00:00:17.280 align:middle line:84% from hundreds of MIT courses, visit MIT OpenCourseWare 00:00:17.280 --> 00:00:19.605 align:middle line:90% at ocw.mit.edu. 00:00:19.605 --> 00:00:21.600 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: So let's talk about the reading, 00:00:21.600 --> 00:00:23.538 align:middle line:84% which was about randomness and player choice. 00:00:23.538 --> 00:00:26.130 align:middle line:90% 00:00:26.130 --> 00:00:28.520 align:middle line:84% Everyone has an opinion about randomness and luck, right? 00:00:28.520 --> 00:00:31.490 align:middle line:84% It started off the reading about that kind of thing. 00:00:31.490 --> 00:00:33.120 align:middle line:84% So just to start things off, what 00:00:33.120 --> 00:00:35.792 align:middle line:84% are your opinions about games with luck? 00:00:35.792 --> 00:00:36.500 align:middle line:90% Do you like them? 00:00:36.500 --> 00:00:38.100 align:middle line:90% Do you not like them? 00:00:38.100 --> 00:00:40.590 align:middle line:84% And what do you like about games that have a luck element? 00:00:40.590 --> 00:00:43.560 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: I personally love a mix of skill and luck. 00:00:43.560 --> 00:00:48.209 align:middle line:84% So my favorite example would be poker. 00:00:48.209 --> 00:00:50.000 align:middle line:84% So you could pick up the game really quick, 00:00:50.000 --> 00:00:54.200 align:middle line:84% and you could be a novice, and you could win if you get lucky, 00:00:54.200 --> 00:00:55.770 align:middle line:90% and it makes you feel good. 00:00:55.770 --> 00:00:59.820 align:middle line:84% But in the long run, over a hundred thousand hands or more, 00:00:59.820 --> 00:01:01.320 align:middle line:84% it's the person with more skill that 00:01:01.320 --> 00:01:03.470 align:middle line:90% will end up winning in the end. 00:01:03.470 --> 00:01:08.310 align:middle line:84% So I like that dynamic of being easily accessible, 00:01:08.310 --> 00:01:10.782 align:middle line:84% but also having the skill element. 00:01:10.782 --> 00:01:12.820 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: OK, so that accessibility curve, 00:01:12.820 --> 00:01:15.920 align:middle line:84% that little bit of difficulty curve going in there as well. 00:01:15.920 --> 00:01:16.702 align:middle line:90% Yeah? 00:01:16.702 --> 00:01:21.300 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: I would say that a lack of predictability is good, 00:01:21.300 --> 00:01:25.450 align:middle line:84% and luck isn't, but but luck is necessary to achieve 00:01:25.450 --> 00:01:26.759 align:middle line:90% unpredictability sometimes. 00:01:26.759 --> 00:01:28.050 align:middle line:90% PROFESSOR: OK, how do you mean? 00:01:28.050 --> 00:01:32.610 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: So basically, you need luck 00:01:32.610 --> 00:01:35.970 align:middle line:84% that the game won't go the same way every time, not because you 00:01:35.970 --> 00:01:37.146 align:middle line:90% actually-- 00:01:37.146 --> 00:01:39.450 align:middle line:84% the randomness-- on portions, it has to be random, 00:01:39.450 --> 00:01:43.710 align:middle line:84% but that's the only way to make sure that different games take 00:01:43.710 --> 00:01:45.167 align:middle line:90% different paths. 00:01:45.167 --> 00:01:45.750 align:middle line:90% PROFESSOR: OK. 00:01:45.750 --> 00:01:47.160 align:middle line:90% Yeah? 00:01:47.160 --> 00:01:51.664 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: I like the unknowability aspect of it. 00:01:51.664 --> 00:01:54.080 align:middle line:84% I agree with [? John ?] that I like a balance between luck 00:01:54.080 --> 00:01:55.120 align:middle line:90% and skill. 00:01:55.120 --> 00:01:58.000 align:middle line:84% And what I was thinking of was something like Catan, 00:01:58.000 --> 00:02:00.140 align:middle line:84% where you have this whole plan that you're 00:02:00.140 --> 00:02:01.360 align:middle line:90% trying to work out-- 00:02:01.360 --> 00:02:03.980 align:middle line:84% OK, I'm building my city, and all I need is an ore, 00:02:03.980 --> 00:02:07.050 align:middle line:84% and I just need a [INAUDIBLE], and then I can build my city 00:02:07.050 --> 00:02:08.440 align:middle line:90% and do all this stuff. 00:02:08.440 --> 00:02:12.136 align:middle line:84% But you just have to wait for it and plan around, OK, what 00:02:12.136 --> 00:02:13.260 align:middle line:90% if I don't get what I need? 00:02:13.260 --> 00:02:14.480 align:middle line:90% Things like that. 00:02:14.480 --> 00:02:15.440 align:middle line:90% PROFESSOR: Yeah. 00:02:15.440 --> 00:02:15.940 align:middle line:90% Yeah. 00:02:15.940 --> 00:02:18.440 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: I also think this is incredibly subjective. 00:02:18.440 --> 00:02:18.860 align:middle line:90% PROFESSOR: Absolutely. 00:02:18.860 --> 00:02:19.985 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: So [? John ?] mentioned 00:02:19.985 --> 00:02:21.110 align:middle line:90% that he really likes poker. 00:02:21.110 --> 00:02:22.370 align:middle line:90% He likes [INAUDIBLE]. 00:02:22.370 --> 00:02:25.810 align:middle line:84% Personally, I like games with a lot less luck than poker, 00:02:25.810 --> 00:02:30.050 align:middle line:84% but that still have a little bit. 00:02:30.050 --> 00:02:32.560 align:middle line:84% But then again, I know tons of people who are like, oh, 00:02:32.560 --> 00:02:34.120 align:middle line:90% my favorite game is pokeno. 00:02:34.120 --> 00:02:37.236 align:middle line:84% Sorry, which is all luck, essentially. 00:02:37.236 --> 00:02:39.860 align:middle line:84% And you feel like you're doing stuff, 00:02:39.860 --> 00:02:42.240 align:middle line:84% you do have decisions about which piece to move. 00:02:42.240 --> 00:02:45.467 align:middle line:84% But in the end, it's essentially 90% luck. 00:02:45.467 --> 00:02:46.550 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: Could I comment? 00:02:46.550 --> 00:02:46.790 align:middle line:90% PROFESSOR: Please. 00:02:46.790 --> 00:02:48.185 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: Can I go on what you're saying, Ben? 00:02:48.185 --> 00:02:48.650 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: Yeah. 00:02:48.650 --> 00:02:51.220 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: Even if you take a classic, 100% skill-based game 00:02:51.220 --> 00:02:54.114 align:middle line:84% like chess, for instance, in a professional tournament 00:02:54.114 --> 00:02:55.280 align:middle line:90% setting, there's still luck. 00:02:55.280 --> 00:02:59.995 align:middle line:90% 00:02:59.995 --> 00:03:01.870 align:middle line:84% There's a luck element to who you're playing, 00:03:01.870 --> 00:03:03.328 align:middle line:84% or whether you get white and black, 00:03:03.328 --> 00:03:07.350 align:middle line:84% or whether they're having a good day or a bad day. 00:03:07.350 --> 00:03:09.041 align:middle line:84% I think there's always luck in games, 00:03:09.041 --> 00:03:10.377 align:middle line:90% even if it's 100% skill-based. 00:03:10.377 --> 00:03:12.710 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: Does anybody know how white's determined when 00:03:12.710 --> 00:03:15.040 align:middle line:90% you start a chess tournament? 00:03:15.040 --> 00:03:17.660 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: Usually based on your rating. 00:03:17.660 --> 00:03:20.354 align:middle line:84% And they also, in a fair tournament, will play a match 00:03:20.354 --> 00:03:22.603 align:middle line:84% where each player plays three games of white and three 00:03:22.603 --> 00:03:23.234 align:middle line:90% games of black. 00:03:23.234 --> 00:03:23.900 align:middle line:90% PROFESSOR: Yeah. 00:03:23.900 --> 00:03:26.029 align:middle line:84% So they're trying to work as much 00:03:26.029 --> 00:03:27.320 align:middle line:90% of that luck out of the system. 00:03:27.320 --> 00:03:29.278 align:middle line:84% But you're right-- there is some, a little bit. 00:03:29.278 --> 00:03:31.330 align:middle line:84% And there's reasons for doing that. 00:03:31.330 --> 00:03:33.516 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: I would say chess is-- 00:03:33.516 --> 00:03:36.960 align:middle line:84% I mean, chess [INAUDIBLE] is sort of more predictable 00:03:36.960 --> 00:03:38.810 align:middle line:90% than other games [INAUDIBLE]. 00:03:38.810 --> 00:03:42.706 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE] always going to be [INAUDIBLE]. 00:03:42.706 --> 00:03:46.380 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: Yeah, chess is more predictable. 00:03:46.380 --> 00:03:51.128 align:middle line:90% 00:03:51.128 --> 00:03:56.836 align:middle line:84% I mean, I don't think what I'm [INAUDIBLE] 00:03:56.836 --> 00:03:59.210 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: So it's like, for example, think of round robin 00:03:59.210 --> 00:04:03.320 align:middle line:84% tournament play, where the person you go up against 00:04:03.320 --> 00:04:05.280 align:middle line:84% depends on, to a large extent, how 00:04:05.280 --> 00:04:06.989 align:middle line:90% you've done in a tournament. 00:04:06.989 --> 00:04:08.530 align:middle line:84% But that person who you go up against 00:04:08.530 --> 00:04:10.860 align:middle line:84% is basically chosen from a pool of people 00:04:10.860 --> 00:04:12.810 align:middle line:90% who have scored pretty well. 00:04:12.810 --> 00:04:14.950 align:middle line:84% So there could be a grandmaster in that pool that 00:04:14.950 --> 00:04:17.821 align:middle line:84% gets selected, or there could be a weaker expert player. 00:04:17.821 --> 00:04:19.779 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: A lot it depends on what you consider 00:04:19.779 --> 00:04:20.980 align:middle line:90% part of the game, also. 00:04:20.980 --> 00:04:21.586 align:middle line:90% PROFESSOR: Yeah, exactly right. 00:04:21.586 --> 00:04:23.502 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: You could say the selection process. 00:04:23.502 --> 00:04:25.140 align:middle line:84% You could also say, oh, I got lucky 00:04:25.140 --> 00:04:28.797 align:middle line:84% that my opponent didn't sleep last night. 00:04:28.797 --> 00:04:30.380 align:middle line:84% Is that really part of the game, or is 00:04:30.380 --> 00:04:33.570 align:middle line:84% it just that your opponent was a weaker player on that day? 00:04:33.570 --> 00:04:35.320 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: You have some more, [? John? ?] 00:04:35.320 --> 00:04:37.280 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE] what I wanted to say 00:04:37.280 --> 00:04:40.650 align:middle line:84% is, was that, back to the question, 00:04:40.650 --> 00:04:43.150 align:middle line:84% with [INAUDIBLE] in terms of games, 00:04:43.150 --> 00:04:49.060 align:middle line:84% I prefer games which have skill at certain game elements, 00:04:49.060 --> 00:04:53.054 align:middle line:84% but it's not so much that they don't have luck 00:04:53.054 --> 00:05:02.816 align:middle line:84% as you don't have to deal with the luck instantaneously. 00:05:02.816 --> 00:05:07.630 align:middle line:84% Like, for example, the board setup at the beginning Catan. 00:05:07.630 --> 00:05:14.213 align:middle line:84% Or when you have, say, a deck where the top three cards are 00:05:14.213 --> 00:05:16.065 align:middle line:84% the cards you're choosing out of, 00:05:16.065 --> 00:05:18.804 align:middle line:84% or something, where it's randomized. 00:05:18.804 --> 00:05:20.720 align:middle line:84% And so every time, it's going to be different, 00:05:20.720 --> 00:05:23.700 align:middle line:90% which is the good part. 00:05:23.700 --> 00:05:27.400 align:middle line:84% And yeah, it might favor one person over another, 00:05:27.400 --> 00:05:29.270 align:middle line:84% because of luck, which is that part. 00:05:29.270 --> 00:05:30.980 align:middle line:84% But on the other hand, you still have 00:05:30.980 --> 00:05:34.373 align:middle line:84% time to deal with it with your own strategy. 00:05:34.373 --> 00:05:37.300 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: I'd say that probably colors into that chess, too. 00:05:37.300 --> 00:05:39.440 align:middle line:84% The setup of the board is a lot like the framing 00:05:39.440 --> 00:05:42.230 align:middle line:84% of a tournament, or the context the tournament is played in, 00:05:42.230 --> 00:05:44.754 align:middle line:90% the context of the players. 00:05:44.754 --> 00:05:46.683 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: So I would say that whether or not 00:05:46.683 --> 00:05:48.900 align:middle line:90% a game based on luck on chance-- 00:05:48.900 --> 00:05:52.710 align:middle line:84% it's also dependent on what my purpose for playing that game 00:05:52.710 --> 00:05:53.210 align:middle line:90% is. 00:05:53.210 --> 00:05:53.630 align:middle line:90% PROFESSOR: Absolutely. 00:05:53.630 --> 00:05:55.250 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: So I really like sometimes 00:05:55.250 --> 00:05:58.132 align:middle line:84% playing chance-based games, and I've gone home for break, 00:05:58.132 --> 00:05:59.465 align:middle line:90% and I'm going to see my brother. 00:05:59.465 --> 00:06:01.076 align:middle line:84% And I haven't talked to him, and I 00:06:01.076 --> 00:06:03.919 align:middle line:84% haven't been with him in months, so we can play games. 00:06:03.919 --> 00:06:05.210 align:middle line:90% It's not really about the game. 00:06:05.210 --> 00:06:07.265 align:middle line:84% The game is just to do something while we talk 00:06:07.265 --> 00:06:08.840 align:middle line:90% about what we've been up to. 00:06:08.840 --> 00:06:13.570 align:middle line:84% Whereas once I'm home for a really long time, 00:06:13.570 --> 00:06:14.880 align:middle line:90% we'll play a skill-based game. 00:06:14.880 --> 00:06:16.276 align:middle line:84% And it's really all about the two 00:06:16.276 --> 00:06:19.292 align:middle line:84% of us competing at the game [INAUDIBLE]. 00:06:19.292 --> 00:06:21.390 align:middle line:84% So it's also not necessarily subjective 00:06:21.390 --> 00:06:24.330 align:middle line:90% by person, but by situation. 00:06:24.330 --> 00:06:25.870 align:middle line:90% PROFESSOR: Yeah, absolutely. 00:06:25.870 --> 00:06:26.370 align:middle line:90% Yeah? 00:06:26.370 --> 00:06:33.814 align:middle line:90% 00:06:33.814 --> 00:06:35.230 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: So in the game Dominion, 00:06:35.230 --> 00:06:38.252 align:middle line:84% there are basic [INAUDIBLE] cards all the time. 00:06:38.252 --> 00:06:40.460 align:middle line:84% And then there's a bunch of special sets of 10 cards, 00:06:40.460 --> 00:06:42.786 align:middle line:90% which [INAUDIBLE] game. 00:06:42.786 --> 00:06:46.350 align:middle line:84% The strategy [INAUDIBLE] the special 10 cards, 00:06:46.350 --> 00:06:49.120 align:middle line:84% and just buy-- and to do the optimal strategy on the stuff 00:06:49.120 --> 00:06:55.740 align:middle line:84% that's in every game, often you can win 30% to 40% of the time 00:06:55.740 --> 00:06:58.810 align:middle line:84% against the best possible strategy with [INAUDIBLE], 00:06:58.810 --> 00:07:03.450 align:middle line:84% even if you're using another set of cards, which is why-- 00:07:03.450 --> 00:07:04.680 align:middle line:90% which shows that-- 00:07:04.680 --> 00:07:07.120 align:middle line:84% But they're [INAUDIBLE], but at the same time, 00:07:07.120 --> 00:07:11.285 align:middle line:84% the game has a lot of strategy involved, despite the fact 00:07:11.285 --> 00:07:12.964 align:middle line:90% that it comes down to luck. 00:07:12.964 --> 00:07:14.880 align:middle line:84% And so when people are like, oh, this strategy 00:07:14.880 --> 00:07:17.380 align:middle line:84% is better than this strategy, because when 00:07:17.380 --> 00:07:21.542 align:middle line:84% we simulate 1,000 games, it wins 60%, 70% of the time. 00:07:21.542 --> 00:07:26.844 align:middle line:84% As opposed to actually playing the game and showing one game 00:07:26.844 --> 00:07:27.644 align:middle line:90% won. 00:07:27.644 --> 00:07:28.310 align:middle line:90% PROFESSOR: Yeah. 00:07:28.310 --> 00:07:30.420 align:middle line:84% Well, that's a huge thing, too, of how many times are you 00:07:30.420 --> 00:07:32.050 align:middle line:84% going to play this game, especially the games 00:07:32.050 --> 00:07:33.675 align:middle line:84% that you're making in your assignments? 00:07:33.675 --> 00:07:35.250 align:middle line:84% How often are these games played? 00:07:35.250 --> 00:07:37.000 align:middle line:84% Hopefully, you're testing as best you can, 00:07:37.000 --> 00:07:38.370 align:middle line:90% as much as you can. 00:07:38.370 --> 00:07:40.578 align:middle line:84% But I don't think you're going to get 1,000 plays out 00:07:40.578 --> 00:07:41.370 align:middle line:90% of them, right? 00:07:41.370 --> 00:07:43.250 align:middle line:84% Unless you're going to throw it through a computer. 00:07:43.250 --> 00:07:44.000 align:middle line:90% You don't have to. 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:45.810 align:middle line:90% Please don't. 00:07:45.810 --> 00:07:49.147 align:middle line:84% Getting real people to play it is a huge component of it. 00:07:49.147 --> 00:07:50.730 align:middle line:84% Because there's something about luck-- 00:07:50.730 --> 00:07:54.060 align:middle line:84% I don't think we've talked about yet-- 00:07:54.060 --> 00:07:56.280 align:middle line:84% the ritual aspects and the performative aspects 00:07:56.280 --> 00:07:58.490 align:middle line:90% of luck and chance. 00:07:58.490 --> 00:08:00.540 align:middle line:84% Can anybody think of a game where 00:08:00.540 --> 00:08:03.810 align:middle line:84% there's something very particular to how 00:08:03.810 --> 00:08:06.491 align:middle line:90% luck feels there? 00:08:06.491 --> 00:08:08.240 align:middle line:84% Maybe you can take luck out of the system, 00:08:08.240 --> 00:08:09.448 align:middle line:90% but why you wouldn't want to? 00:08:09.448 --> 00:08:14.610 align:middle line:90% 00:08:14.610 --> 00:08:17.130 align:middle line:84% So I actually think about, in that kind of context-- 00:08:17.130 --> 00:08:18.940 align:middle line:84% but where you're talking about craps, 00:08:18.940 --> 00:08:20.440 align:middle line:84% you're talking about gambling games, 00:08:20.440 --> 00:08:22.590 align:middle line:84% the rituals that go around gambling games-- 00:08:22.590 --> 00:08:24.790 align:middle line:90% blowing on dice, rolling dice. 00:08:24.790 --> 00:08:26.820 align:middle line:84% What's craps if you remove the dice 00:08:26.820 --> 00:08:28.860 align:middle line:84% and replace it with some other kind of-- 00:08:28.860 --> 00:08:32.490 align:middle line:84% technically, getting to the exact same probability system, 00:08:32.490 --> 00:08:33.940 align:middle line:90% but different materials? 00:08:33.940 --> 00:08:36.696 align:middle line:84% Is that going to be a different game or not? 00:08:36.696 --> 00:08:39.434 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: Could you replace it with a spinner [INAUDIBLE]? 00:08:39.434 --> 00:08:40.100 align:middle line:90% PROFESSOR: Yeah. 00:08:40.100 --> 00:08:41.618 align:middle line:84% Is the probability curve the same? 00:08:41.618 --> 00:08:42.159 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: No. 00:08:42.159 --> 00:08:44.286 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: No, but you probably could. 00:08:44.286 --> 00:08:46.285 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: Yeah, you could probably break it down 00:08:46.285 --> 00:08:47.368 align:middle line:90% into [INAUDIBLE] the same. 00:08:47.368 --> 00:08:49.434 align:middle line:90% PROFESSOR: Yeah. 00:08:49.434 --> 00:08:52.188 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: I'm thinking from a pro aspect, where not 00:08:52.188 --> 00:08:55.279 align:middle line:84% exactly like craps, where you're playing against the house, 00:08:55.279 --> 00:08:57.070 align:middle line:84% the house is always going to have the edge. 00:08:57.070 --> 00:08:58.070 align:middle line:84% But the poker aspect, where you're 00:08:58.070 --> 00:08:59.153 align:middle line:90% playing against one other. 00:08:59.153 --> 00:09:03.215 align:middle line:84% And yeah, [INAUDIBLE] if you're that much better 00:09:03.215 --> 00:09:05.580 align:middle line:84% than everyone else, then you can play 00:09:05.580 --> 00:09:07.989 align:middle line:90% professionally [INAUDIBLE]. 00:09:07.989 --> 00:09:10.530 align:middle line:84% In which case, you wouldn't want to take the luck element out 00:09:10.530 --> 00:09:13.680 align:middle line:90% of it, because your customers-- 00:09:13.680 --> 00:09:15.811 align:middle line:84% that is, the people you're playing against-- 00:09:15.811 --> 00:09:17.810 align:middle line:84% aren't going to want to play against you if they 00:09:17.810 --> 00:09:19.910 align:middle line:90% realize that they're so bad. 00:09:19.910 --> 00:09:21.500 align:middle line:84% But if they win every once in a while, 00:09:21.500 --> 00:09:27.470 align:middle line:84% and they feel like they're winning often, but not a lot-- 00:09:27.470 --> 00:09:33.484 align:middle line:84% yeah, [INAUDIBLE] You wouldn't want that [INAUDIBLE]. 00:09:33.484 --> 00:09:34.150 align:middle line:90% PROFESSOR: Yeah. 00:09:34.150 --> 00:09:38.520 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE] typically a large percentage of people 00:09:38.520 --> 00:09:43.800 align:middle line:84% that actually play poker now make money, even when include-- 00:09:43.800 --> 00:09:45.932 align:middle line:84% I believe it's somewhere between 1/5 and 1/2 00:09:45.932 --> 00:09:50.420 align:middle line:84% of people will make money playing poker even 00:09:50.420 --> 00:09:52.182 align:middle line:90% without [INAUDIBLE]. 00:09:52.182 --> 00:09:54.437 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: I think it's a lot lower than that. 00:09:54.437 --> 00:09:57.144 align:middle line:84% It depends on how good the table is. 00:09:57.144 --> 00:09:59.060 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: Are both these cases you're talking 00:09:59.060 --> 00:10:00.860 align:middle line:90% about in casino play? 00:10:00.860 --> 00:10:03.278 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: I'm talking about [INAUDIBLE] poker table 00:10:03.278 --> 00:10:04.730 align:middle line:90% at [INAUDIBLE]. 00:10:04.730 --> 00:10:06.440 align:middle line:84% And that's including [INAUDIBLE]. 00:10:06.440 --> 00:10:10.450 align:middle line:90% 00:10:10.450 --> 00:10:12.825 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: Well, I'm not sure if you mean in that session, 00:10:12.825 --> 00:10:13.890 align:middle line:90% or over the long term. 00:10:13.890 --> 00:10:15.981 align:middle line:90% But I think [INAUDIBLE]. 00:10:15.981 --> 00:10:17.889 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: Even on [INAUDIBLE]? 00:10:17.889 --> 00:10:22.380 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: I think in long-term, probably 10% [INAUDIBLE]. 00:10:22.380 --> 00:10:24.330 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: 98% of poker players are 00:10:24.330 --> 00:10:27.460 align:middle line:90% long-term losers, [INAUDIBLE]. 00:10:27.460 --> 00:10:29.600 align:middle line:90% [LAUGHING] 00:10:29.600 --> 00:10:30.660 align:middle line:90% PROFESSOR: What website? 00:10:30.660 --> 00:10:31.618 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: I don't know. 00:10:31.618 --> 00:10:33.290 align:middle line:90% TexasHoldEm-Poker.com. 00:10:33.290 --> 00:10:35.240 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: Sounds incredibly authentic. 00:10:35.240 --> 00:10:36.127 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: No, yeah. 00:10:36.127 --> 00:10:36.626 align:middle line:90% [LAUGHING] 00:10:36.626 --> 00:10:37.484 align:middle line:90% PROFESSOR: Go ahead. 00:10:37.484 --> 00:10:39.650 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: So to your question about craps, my first, 00:10:39.650 --> 00:10:42.050 align:middle line:90% I guess, response-- 00:10:42.050 --> 00:10:45.980 align:middle line:84% my thought was that if you change the dice to a spinner, 00:10:45.980 --> 00:10:49.100 align:middle line:84% even if it has the same exact distribution, 00:10:49.100 --> 00:10:50.510 align:middle line:90% it seems like a different game. 00:10:50.510 --> 00:10:52.370 align:middle line:84% So I started thinking about it, and if you 00:10:52.370 --> 00:10:55.425 align:middle line:84% have a game like online craps, that's kind of what you did, 00:10:55.425 --> 00:10:57.700 align:middle line:84% except you just show them a picture of dice. 00:10:57.700 --> 00:10:59.510 align:middle line:84% And that feels like it's the same. 00:10:59.510 --> 00:11:01.640 align:middle line:90% So I guess I'm not sure. 00:11:01.640 --> 00:11:02.515 align:middle line:90% PROFESSOR: Yeah. 00:11:02.515 --> 00:11:04.973 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: Maybe new rituals would come up with the spinner. 00:11:04.973 --> 00:11:06.621 align:middle line:84% Like maybe if you're blowing on dice, 00:11:06.621 --> 00:11:07.954 align:middle line:90% you rub your hands or something. 00:11:07.954 --> 00:11:09.212 align:middle line:90% [INAUDIBLE] 00:11:09.212 --> 00:11:12.120 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: And the question of mechanic versus aesthetic. 00:11:12.120 --> 00:11:14.080 align:middle line:84% It's the exact same mechanic, right? 00:11:14.080 --> 00:11:15.580 align:middle line:84% You have the random number generator 00:11:15.580 --> 00:11:18.710 align:middle line:84% that somehow gets you money or loses you money, 00:11:18.710 --> 00:11:21.390 align:middle line:84% with very specific rules on how it works. 00:11:21.390 --> 00:11:26.860 align:middle line:84% Whether it's the die, or the spinner, or a computer, 00:11:26.860 --> 00:11:29.540 align:middle line:84% that's what the user's experiencing. 00:11:29.540 --> 00:11:32.160 align:middle line:84% But at the end of the day, it's just 00:11:32.160 --> 00:11:33.784 align:middle line:84% like Monopoly-- at the end of the day, 00:11:33.784 --> 00:11:35.200 align:middle line:84% you have a random number generator 00:11:35.200 --> 00:11:37.140 align:middle line:84% that's moving you around the board, and you collect stuff. 00:11:37.140 --> 00:11:39.385 align:middle line:84% How they skin Monopoly doesn't really matter-- 00:11:39.385 --> 00:11:40.650 align:middle line:90% it's still Monopoly. 00:11:40.650 --> 00:11:41.441 align:middle line:90% PROFESSOR: Exactly. 00:11:41.441 --> 00:11:43.812 align:middle line:90% And they showed it. 00:11:43.812 --> 00:11:46.630 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: I guess going off of the feel, and the fact 00:11:46.630 --> 00:11:50.320 align:middle line:84% that with dice, some people believe 00:11:50.320 --> 00:11:54.790 align:middle line:90% it takes some type of skill. 00:11:54.790 --> 00:11:58.260 align:middle line:84% They feel like they can roll 6's more often if they, 00:11:58.260 --> 00:11:58.990 align:middle line:90% I don't know-- 00:11:58.990 --> 00:12:00.990 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: There's a lot more tactility to dice. 00:12:00.990 --> 00:12:04.000 align:middle line:84% Like maybe if I'm just cupping it the right way, maybe 00:12:04.000 --> 00:12:06.346 align:middle line:84% if I put the die facing the right side up 00:12:06.346 --> 00:12:08.470 align:middle line:84% on the palm of my hand when I roll it, 00:12:08.470 --> 00:12:10.319 align:middle line:84% maybe there's going to be something there. 00:12:10.319 --> 00:12:11.610 align:middle line:90% Maybe I've got the skill there. 00:12:11.610 --> 00:12:13.359 align:middle line:84% Maybe it's just for the back of the house. 00:12:13.359 --> 00:12:16.420 align:middle line:84% Maybe it's for the casino sites-- who knows. 00:12:16.420 --> 00:12:19.690 align:middle line:84% But yeah, you're tricked into feeling 00:12:19.690 --> 00:12:22.540 align:middle line:84% like there's some choice that you're able to make 00:12:22.540 --> 00:12:25.540 align:middle line:90% to change the outcome. 00:12:25.540 --> 00:12:28.180 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: So to build off of [? Damon's ?] point, 00:12:28.180 --> 00:12:29.960 align:middle line:84% that helps clarify my idea on it. 00:12:29.960 --> 00:12:31.960 align:middle line:84% Because I think part of craps, then, 00:12:31.960 --> 00:12:34.700 align:middle line:90% is the aesthetic experience. 00:12:34.700 --> 00:12:37.390 align:middle line:84% And to me, it feels like the dice, or at least 00:12:37.390 --> 00:12:39.619 align:middle line:84% the idea of dice, is fundamental to craps. 00:12:39.619 --> 00:12:41.160 align:middle line:84% If you don't have it, then it ends up 00:12:41.160 --> 00:12:45.607 align:middle line:84% being a different game, because it's a different aesthetic. 00:12:45.607 --> 00:12:48.190 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: So going back towards the beginning of the reading, 00:12:48.190 --> 00:12:51.020 align:middle line:84% one aspect of this aspect the reading is framing itself in 00:12:51.020 --> 00:12:52.390 align:middle line:90% is target audience. 00:12:52.390 --> 00:12:55.390 align:middle line:84% Who is the target audience for the game you're making? 00:12:55.390 --> 00:12:57.630 align:middle line:84% And it starts off with Candyland. 00:12:57.630 --> 00:13:02.140 align:middle line:84% Candyland, the most random, the least predictable, 00:13:02.140 --> 00:13:06.370 align:middle line:84% the least amount of player choice that there is in a game. 00:13:06.370 --> 00:13:10.570 align:middle line:84% But because of the audience that it's being designed for, 00:13:10.570 --> 00:13:11.280 align:middle line:90% that's OK. 00:13:11.280 --> 00:13:16.180 align:middle line:84% That's actually beneficial in the examples they gave. 00:13:16.180 --> 00:13:18.250 align:middle line:84% So have you thought about the target audience 00:13:18.250 --> 00:13:19.630 align:middle line:90% for your own games right now? 00:13:19.630 --> 00:13:22.460 align:middle line:84% Do you have a clue about what that might be? 00:13:22.460 --> 00:13:23.960 align:middle line:84% Or the context that you were saying, 00:13:23.960 --> 00:13:25.510 align:middle line:90% the framing you might think-- 00:13:25.510 --> 00:13:27.807 align:middle line:84% I know with your game, at least, there's 00:13:27.807 --> 00:13:29.390 align:middle line:84% some kind of party atmosphere going on 00:13:29.390 --> 00:13:33.400 align:middle line:84% in it because of the physicality involved, right? 00:13:33.400 --> 00:13:35.930 align:middle line:90% Any others? 00:13:35.930 --> 00:13:38.560 align:middle line:84% OK, because one thing to think about, especially when you're 00:13:38.560 --> 00:13:40.970 align:middle line:84% coming to this from a designer [INAUDIBLE] 00:13:40.970 --> 00:13:42.880 align:middle line:84% and know the assumptions you have, 00:13:42.880 --> 00:13:45.936 align:middle line:84% and the personal likes and dislikes that you have. 00:13:45.936 --> 00:13:47.310 align:middle line:84% And you're going to be on a team, 00:13:47.310 --> 00:13:48.810 align:middle line:84% you're on a team of multiple people. 00:13:48.810 --> 00:13:51.300 align:middle line:84% You're all going to have different likes and dislikes. 00:13:51.300 --> 00:13:52.950 align:middle line:84% One thing to try to really figure out 00:13:52.950 --> 00:13:55.540 align:middle line:84% early on is who is the person playing the game, 00:13:55.540 --> 00:13:58.486 align:middle line:84% and what is their dislikes, and what are their likes? 00:13:58.486 --> 00:13:59.610 align:middle line:90% At this point, just assume. 00:13:59.610 --> 00:14:02.120 align:middle line:84% Just come up with a random target audience person, 00:14:02.120 --> 00:14:04.620 align:middle line:84% and just make that assumption about what they may or may not 00:14:04.620 --> 00:14:05.340 align:middle line:90% like. 00:14:05.340 --> 00:14:08.940 align:middle line:84% Because I know you're going to have discussions, 00:14:08.940 --> 00:14:10.860 align:middle line:84% arguments over which one is best or not. 00:14:10.860 --> 00:14:13.557 align:middle line:84% How much randomness are we going to include in this game or not? 00:14:13.557 --> 00:14:15.890 align:middle line:84% Are we going to include this mechanic over this mechanic 00:14:15.890 --> 00:14:16.422 align:middle line:90% or not? 00:14:16.422 --> 00:14:18.630 align:middle line:84% Rather than making it about what you personally like, 00:14:18.630 --> 00:14:21.037 align:middle line:84% maybe try taking it to what another person is 00:14:21.037 --> 00:14:21.620 align:middle line:90% going to like. 00:14:21.620 --> 00:14:23.172 align:middle line:84% How it's actually going to played. 00:14:23.172 --> 00:14:25.380 align:middle line:84% And you might not find that out until you're actually 00:14:25.380 --> 00:14:27.505 align:middle line:84% in the middle of play testing and you're getting it 00:14:27.505 --> 00:14:30.040 align:middle line:90% in front of other people. 00:14:30.040 --> 00:14:30.870 align:middle line:90% [SNEEZES] 00:14:30.870 --> 00:14:31.790 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: Bless you. 00:14:31.790 --> 00:14:32.520 align:middle line:90% PROFESSOR: Cool. 00:14:32.520 --> 00:14:34.940 align:middle line:84% So I want to talk about randomness some more later on. 00:14:34.940 --> 00:14:38.790 align:middle line:90% But first, let's spend about-- 00:14:38.790 --> 00:14:41.340 align:middle line:84% I think some of these games can be played in about an hour 00:14:41.340 --> 00:14:43.540 align:middle line:90% and a half, an hour? 00:14:43.540 --> 00:14:46.710 align:middle line:84% So we'll play some of these games until about 2:30 00:14:46.710 --> 00:14:48.120 align:middle line:84% and talk a little bit after them. 00:14:48.120 --> 00:14:50.411 align:middle line:84% What we want to talk about as you're playing the game-- 00:14:50.411 --> 00:14:52.710 align:middle line:84% pay attention to how randomness is used in the game 00:14:52.710 --> 00:14:55.050 align:middle line:84% and how player choice is used in the game. 00:14:55.050 --> 00:14:59.129 align:middle line:84% They're all going to be pretty similar to each other, 00:14:59.129 --> 00:15:01.170 align:middle line:84% but with a different mix and a different balance. 00:15:01.170 --> 00:15:04.168 align:middle line:84% But similar types of mechanics are in each of these games, 00:15:04.168 --> 00:15:06.930 align:middle line:90% if I remember this correctly. 00:15:06.930 --> 00:15:10.200 align:middle line:84% So [? John, ?] you want to describe 00:15:10.200 --> 00:15:11.470 align:middle line:90% the games that you learned? 00:15:11.470 --> 00:15:14.746 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: So I checked out Race for the Galaxy. 00:15:14.746 --> 00:15:16.740 align:middle line:84% How many people have played this game? 00:15:16.740 --> 00:15:19.780 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: How many have played San Juan? 00:15:19.780 --> 00:15:21.376 align:middle line:90% OK. 00:15:21.376 --> 00:15:28.124 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: So I listened to the rules online a few times, 00:15:28.124 --> 00:15:32.462 align:middle line:84% but I didn't actually get a chance to play this game. 00:15:32.462 --> 00:15:37.182 align:middle line:84% But it's a game where you're trying to get victory points. 00:15:37.182 --> 00:15:39.780 align:middle line:84% And the main mechanic-- actually, there's 00:15:39.780 --> 00:15:42.678 align:middle line:84% really cool artwork, so I'd like to pass it around. 00:15:42.678 --> 00:15:52.418 align:middle line:90% 00:15:52.418 --> 00:15:54.590 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: [INAUDIBLE] think of the pieces 00:15:54.590 --> 00:15:56.030 align:middle line:90% in the game [INAUDIBLE]. 00:15:56.030 --> 00:15:59.350 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE] 00:15:59.350 --> 00:16:02.870 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: But I think the unique part about this game 00:16:02.870 --> 00:16:07.500 align:middle line:84% is that there are phases, and each player selects what phase 00:16:07.500 --> 00:16:08.774 align:middle line:90% their setup phase is. 00:16:08.774 --> 00:16:10.190 align:middle line:84% And they each do different things. 00:16:10.190 --> 00:16:13.630 align:middle line:84% One phase lets you gain cards, another phase 00:16:13.630 --> 00:16:14.900 align:middle line:90% lets you bet cards. 00:16:14.900 --> 00:16:18.495 align:middle line:84% You can consume items, which gets you victory points. 00:16:18.495 --> 00:16:21.860 align:middle line:84% You can score planets, et cetera. 00:16:21.860 --> 00:16:24.994 align:middle line:84% And each person selects the phase that they want to play, 00:16:24.994 --> 00:16:27.670 align:middle line:84% and I think they get bonus for doing so. 00:16:27.670 --> 00:16:30.200 align:middle line:84% Everyone simultaneously plays the phase that they want, 00:16:30.200 --> 00:16:36.810 align:middle line:84% and everyone can take part in that phase. 00:16:36.810 --> 00:16:42.247 align:middle line:84% So seems like a really neat game. 00:16:42.247 --> 00:16:45.760 align:middle line:84% Maybe [INAUDIBLE] more granular aspects, 00:16:45.760 --> 00:16:49.315 align:middle line:90% and you can play around. 00:16:49.315 --> 00:16:57.430 align:middle line:84% Agricola-- I had the opportunity to play a few times, actually. 00:16:57.430 --> 00:16:58.850 align:middle line:90% And it's really fun. 00:16:58.850 --> 00:17:00.400 align:middle line:84% So check out the [INAUDIBLE] here. 00:17:00.400 --> 00:17:02.220 align:middle line:84% There's a lot going on, actually. 00:17:02.220 --> 00:17:06.281 align:middle line:84% There's a little-- what would you call this-- player board? 00:17:06.281 --> 00:17:07.614 align:middle line:90% PROFESSOR: Yeah, a player board. 00:17:07.614 --> 00:17:07.890 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: Player board. 00:17:07.890 --> 00:17:09.609 align:middle line:90% Everyone gets one of these. 00:17:09.609 --> 00:17:11.839 align:middle line:84% And then there's a common area as well. 00:17:11.839 --> 00:17:14.950 align:middle line:90% 00:17:14.950 --> 00:17:18.169 align:middle line:90% Multiple things, actually. 00:17:18.169 --> 00:17:19.856 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: Are you going to [INAUDIBLE]? 00:17:19.856 --> 00:17:20.480 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: Yeah. 00:17:20.480 --> 00:17:23.750 align:middle line:84% So there are these major improvements, 00:17:23.750 --> 00:17:26.047 align:middle line:84% which you can invest in, get victory points, 00:17:26.047 --> 00:17:29.570 align:middle line:90% and get power-ups eventually. 00:17:29.570 --> 00:17:31.620 align:middle line:84% There are different rounds to the game, 00:17:31.620 --> 00:17:33.180 align:middle line:84% and it's a worker placement game. 00:17:33.180 --> 00:17:36.823 align:middle line:84% So you start with a couple of workers, you're a family, 00:17:36.823 --> 00:17:40.325 align:middle line:84% and you're farming stuff, roughly. 00:17:40.325 --> 00:17:42.590 align:middle line:84% And you want to expand your farm. 00:17:42.590 --> 00:17:46.730 align:middle line:84% You can either build up your house, you could get livestock, 00:17:46.730 --> 00:17:50.190 align:middle line:90% or you can plow your fields. 00:17:50.190 --> 00:17:54.280 align:middle line:84% And there's different rounds, a finite amount of rounds. 00:17:54.280 --> 00:17:58.460 align:middle line:84% And resources respawn into this board every round, 00:17:58.460 --> 00:18:00.611 align:middle line:84% so it's actually quite cumbersome 00:18:00.611 --> 00:18:03.607 align:middle line:84% to re-up the resources every time. 00:18:03.607 --> 00:18:05.690 align:middle line:84% And the whole point about this game that I thought 00:18:05.690 --> 00:18:09.129 align:middle line:84% was really unique-- oh, you also get 00:18:09.129 --> 00:18:10.670 align:middle line:84% a limited amount of profession cards, 00:18:10.670 --> 00:18:12.062 align:middle line:90% and also minor improvements. 00:18:12.062 --> 00:18:13.940 align:middle line:84% And those are different every game. 00:18:13.940 --> 00:18:16.950 align:middle line:84% There's a pretty big stack of these profession 00:18:16.950 --> 00:18:19.290 align:middle line:84% and minor improvement cards, but you only get seven. 00:18:19.290 --> 00:18:21.640 align:middle line:84% So that's the hand that you have to deal with, 00:18:21.640 --> 00:18:25.336 align:middle line:90% and you don't ever get any more. 00:18:25.336 --> 00:18:26.987 align:middle line:84% Yeah, so there's different rounds. 00:18:26.987 --> 00:18:28.570 align:middle line:84% And you only have a couple of workers. 00:18:28.570 --> 00:18:32.150 align:middle line:84% And the only way you can expand your family over time-- 00:18:32.150 --> 00:18:34.955 align:middle line:84% you have to pick and choose what your strategy is going to be. 00:18:34.955 --> 00:18:36.496 align:middle line:84% You don't have time to do everything, 00:18:36.496 --> 00:18:39.780 align:middle line:84% because the rounds come really quick. 00:18:39.780 --> 00:18:42.820 align:middle line:84% There's also a harvest phase, which is essentially-- 00:18:42.820 --> 00:18:45.960 align:middle line:84% so during the other rounds, you're amassing resources. 00:18:45.960 --> 00:18:48.810 align:middle line:84% And a harvest phase, where you cull the resources out 00:18:48.810 --> 00:18:50.124 align:middle line:90% from your farm. 00:18:50.124 --> 00:18:52.290 align:middle line:84% And you definitely don't have time to do everything. 00:18:52.290 --> 00:18:55.340 align:middle line:84% But at the same time, the scoring, the points at the end, 00:18:55.340 --> 00:18:58.437 align:middle line:90% rewards you for that respawning. 00:18:58.437 --> 00:19:00.520 align:middle line:84% Another thing that I noticed with that-- the cards 00:19:00.520 --> 00:19:03.980 align:middle line:84% that you get dealt, some of them have early game benefits. 00:19:03.980 --> 00:19:06.030 align:middle line:84% For instance, if you play this game, 00:19:06.030 --> 00:19:08.170 align:middle line:84% wood is super awesome at the beginning of the game, 00:19:08.170 --> 00:19:10.030 align:middle line:84% so get the wood thing every time. 00:19:10.030 --> 00:19:13.120 align:middle line:84% But as you go on in the game, wood [INAUDIBLE]. 00:19:13.120 --> 00:19:15.745 align:middle line:84% So it was a fun dynamic that I was able to experience. 00:19:15.745 --> 00:19:17.620 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: Did it come with beginner's rules, 00:19:17.620 --> 00:19:19.434 align:middle line:90% or first-time rules? 00:19:19.434 --> 00:19:20.850 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: I think it's recommended 00:19:20.850 --> 00:19:21.765 align:middle line:90% for younger players. 00:19:21.765 --> 00:19:23.640 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: Yeah, I'd recommend playing those. 00:19:23.640 --> 00:19:26.250 align:middle line:84% You'll get the same feel, and you'll probably 00:19:26.250 --> 00:19:27.650 align:middle line:90% get a full play-- 00:19:27.650 --> 00:19:28.685 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]. 00:19:28.685 --> 00:19:30.810 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: You'll still get a full play experience, 00:19:30.810 --> 00:19:32.290 align:middle line:84% and you can play multiple games a day. 00:19:32.290 --> 00:19:33.250 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: There's lots of bits. 00:19:33.250 --> 00:19:35.370 align:middle line:84% If I had one criticism, there are so many bits, 00:19:35.370 --> 00:19:38.882 align:middle line:84% and it's really tedious to re-spawn all the resources. 00:19:38.882 --> 00:19:40.590 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: And the colors aren't all that 00:19:40.590 --> 00:19:42.006 align:middle line:84% different from each other, either. 00:19:42.006 --> 00:19:45.540 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: I saw some online where actually, the pigs are-- 00:19:45.540 --> 00:19:47.830 align:middle line:84% they just had little pink piggies, 00:19:47.830 --> 00:19:51.484 align:middle line:84% and that box would have been cool. 00:19:51.484 --> 00:19:53.150 align:middle line:84% There's also a bunch of different decks, 00:19:53.150 --> 00:19:54.600 align:middle line:84% so I think there's tons of replayability. 00:19:54.600 --> 00:19:56.610 align:middle line:84% And I actually kind of want to buy this game, 00:19:56.610 --> 00:19:58.810 align:middle line:84% because at first, there's tons of cards. 00:19:58.810 --> 00:20:02.265 align:middle line:84% Really, the whole deck, it's basically all over. 00:20:02.265 --> 00:20:04.676 align:middle line:84% And reading every line is kind of overwhelming. 00:20:04.676 --> 00:20:06.050 align:middle line:84% But after playing it a few times, 00:20:06.050 --> 00:20:12.305 align:middle line:84% I really got the hang of it, and it was a fun experience. 00:20:12.305 --> 00:20:16.504 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: Every time I play this game, I also play 00:20:16.504 --> 00:20:17.670 align:middle line:90% [INAUDIBLE] with my friends. 00:20:17.670 --> 00:20:19.200 align:middle line:84% And every time, someone pulls out 00:20:19.200 --> 00:20:20.750 align:middle line:84% some interesting combination combo 00:20:20.750 --> 00:20:23.630 align:middle line:84% that we haven't seen before, and it's like, oh, well. 00:20:23.630 --> 00:20:26.370 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: So let me ask how you do drafting, because online, I 00:20:26.370 --> 00:20:29.660 align:middle line:84% heard there's rituals around the drafting process. 00:20:29.660 --> 00:20:31.244 align:middle line:90% Did you have house rules? 00:20:31.244 --> 00:20:33.410 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: Usually, you do observation first and then 00:20:33.410 --> 00:20:33.910 align:middle line:90% [INAUDIBLE]. 00:20:33.910 --> 00:20:36.510 align:middle line:84% You deal everyone seven, they take one, 00:20:36.510 --> 00:20:38.017 align:middle line:90% pass the rest to the left. 00:20:38.017 --> 00:20:41.230 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: OK, and it's a public sort of process? 00:20:41.230 --> 00:20:43.340 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: No, you only see the card that you have, 00:20:43.340 --> 00:20:44.548 align:middle line:90% until you can pass. 00:20:44.548 --> 00:20:45.450 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: Oh, so you get passed the same, 00:20:45.450 --> 00:20:46.529 align:middle line:90% you pick one, and then-- 00:20:46.529 --> 00:20:47.820 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: You start with seven. 00:20:47.820 --> 00:20:49.253 align:middle line:90% Everyone has seven in hand. 00:20:49.253 --> 00:20:50.990 align:middle line:84% Everyone picks one from their hand 00:20:50.990 --> 00:20:53.046 align:middle line:84% and passes the remaining six [INAUDIBLE]. 00:20:53.046 --> 00:20:55.467 align:middle line:84% And that person looks at that six. 00:20:55.467 --> 00:20:58.285 align:middle line:84% [INAUDIBLE] know all seven cards or not. 00:20:58.285 --> 00:20:59.910 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: Maybe that was just something 00:20:59.910 --> 00:21:02.635 align:middle line:84% that came up through the community in the ritual 00:21:02.635 --> 00:21:03.510 align:middle line:90% of playing this game. 00:21:03.510 --> 00:21:05.584 align:middle line:84% Or maybe it's written in the rules, but I-- 00:21:05.584 --> 00:21:07.917 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: Both are played professionally and for money. 00:21:07.917 --> 00:21:08.625 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: Oh, OK. 00:21:08.625 --> 00:21:12.150 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: And that's where a lot of the decks came out of. 00:21:12.150 --> 00:21:13.910 align:middle line:84% You'll see people-- just like Magic 00:21:13.910 --> 00:21:15.535 align:middle line:84% the Gathering-- the new decks come out, 00:21:15.535 --> 00:21:17.790 align:middle line:84% you'll get new tournaments going on. 00:21:17.790 --> 00:21:19.842 align:middle line:84% Really popular in Europe and Germany. 00:21:19.842 --> 00:21:21.300 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: So the drafting process-- 00:21:21.300 --> 00:21:23.675 align:middle line:84% is that something that spawned--? 00:21:23.675 --> 00:21:25.830 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: It probably came from a pro play. 00:21:25.830 --> 00:21:27.795 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: Because we just distribute the cards. 00:21:27.795 --> 00:21:29.670 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: Which I think is one of the things 00:21:29.670 --> 00:21:31.387 align:middle line:84% you can do to sometimes balance skill. 00:21:31.387 --> 00:21:32.220 align:middle line:90% Doesn't always work. 00:21:32.220 --> 00:21:33.600 align:middle line:84% You're still going to have people 00:21:33.600 --> 00:21:34.900 align:middle line:84% who are really skilled at drafting 00:21:34.900 --> 00:21:37.380 align:middle line:84% and really skilled at reading the table, based on the cards 00:21:37.380 --> 00:21:40.352 align:middle line:84% and having a good memory of what cards came before them. 00:21:40.352 --> 00:21:41.560 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: OK, I can see that. 00:21:41.560 --> 00:21:42.934 align:middle line:90% So it's a fun game. 00:21:42.934 --> 00:21:44.559 align:middle line:84% Definitely check it out if you haven't. 00:21:44.559 --> 00:21:45.590 align:middle line:90% PROFESSOR: Cool. 00:21:45.590 --> 00:21:49.010 align:middle line:84% Got another more simplified worker placement game called 00:21:49.010 --> 00:21:52.540 align:middle line:90% [INAUDIBLE] by-- 00:21:52.540 --> 00:21:54.040 align:middle line:90% I don't know the name. 00:21:54.040 --> 00:21:58.350 align:middle line:90% 00:21:58.350 --> 00:22:01.710 align:middle line:84% And what this has is a lot of the randomness 00:22:01.710 --> 00:22:06.900 align:middle line:84% in this one coming from not knowing 00:22:06.900 --> 00:22:08.940 align:middle line:90% what's coming up in the tiles. 00:22:08.940 --> 00:22:11.580 align:middle line:84% So you're kind of uncovering this forest area, 00:22:11.580 --> 00:22:16.560 align:middle line:84% discovering new things, placing your workers in these tiles 00:22:16.560 --> 00:22:19.820 align:middle line:90% to basically get victory points. 00:22:19.820 --> 00:22:26.200 align:middle line:84% The victory points are traps around the board. 00:22:26.200 --> 00:22:27.930 align:middle line:84% So you'll see, actually, this conceit 00:22:27.930 --> 00:22:29.640 align:middle line:84% used a lot in these kind of games, 00:22:29.640 --> 00:22:32.135 align:middle line:84% where the victory points are like a race, 00:22:32.135 --> 00:22:33.510 align:middle line:84% the [INAUDIBLE] at the right does 00:22:33.510 --> 00:22:38.820 align:middle line:84% this on a number of things [INAUDIBLE]. 00:22:38.820 --> 00:22:42.280 align:middle line:84% Very basic shapes for the pieces. 00:22:42.280 --> 00:22:45.870 align:middle line:84% Simple color, natural wood colors. 00:22:45.870 --> 00:22:50.950 align:middle line:84% And I think you can tell the difference-- 00:22:50.950 --> 00:22:54.090 align:middle line:84% I'm not sure if they do a colorblind test on this, 00:22:54.090 --> 00:22:57.520 align:middle line:84% but I assume that colorblind folks can 00:22:57.520 --> 00:22:59.265 align:middle line:90% see the different [INAUDIBLE]. 00:22:59.265 --> 00:23:02.650 align:middle line:90% 00:23:02.650 --> 00:23:07.390 align:middle line:84% Puerto Rico is kind of the board game version of, a simpler 00:23:07.390 --> 00:23:09.380 align:middle line:90% version of Race for the Galaxy. 00:23:09.380 --> 00:23:11.145 align:middle line:90% A resource-generation game. 00:23:11.145 --> 00:23:14.160 align:middle line:90% 00:23:14.160 --> 00:23:16.170 align:middle line:90% Again, played around rounds. 00:23:16.170 --> 00:23:18.790 align:middle line:84% Each person has their own plantation 00:23:18.790 --> 00:23:20.530 align:middle line:84% that you're basically building up. 00:23:20.530 --> 00:23:23.443 align:middle line:84% And the big thing with this series of games, 00:23:23.443 --> 00:23:25.692 align:middle line:84% and Race for the Galaxy does this as well, I believe-- 00:23:25.692 --> 00:23:28.770 align:middle line:90% 00:23:28.770 --> 00:23:35.160 align:middle line:84% so if you're the person who chooses what 00:23:35.160 --> 00:23:36.902 align:middle line:90% happens in a round or a phase-- 00:23:36.902 --> 00:23:38.360 align:middle line:84% I forget exactly what it's called-- 00:23:38.360 --> 00:23:39.500 align:middle line:84% then the person who chose it gets 00:23:39.500 --> 00:23:41.916 align:middle line:84% a privilege that they can do something a little bit extra. 00:23:41.916 --> 00:23:44.640 align:middle line:84% So part of the play is choosing the role 00:23:44.640 --> 00:23:46.920 align:middle line:84% based on both whether it's going to be good for you, 00:23:46.920 --> 00:23:49.836 align:middle line:84% or whether it's going to hurt the other people around you. 00:23:49.836 --> 00:23:53.250 align:middle line:84% Basically denying privilege and making something in the game 00:23:53.250 --> 00:23:57.980 align:middle line:84% happen before somebody else might have wanted it to happen. 00:23:57.980 --> 00:24:03.550 align:middle line:84% Dominion, classic Magic-based card drafting game. 00:24:03.550 --> 00:24:07.420 align:middle line:90% 00:24:07.420 --> 00:24:12.910 align:middle line:84% Lots of different types of cards of multiple number. 00:24:12.910 --> 00:24:15.960 align:middle line:84% And again, you're playing for victory points. 00:24:15.960 --> 00:24:18.310 align:middle line:84% If you have played Dominion before, 00:24:18.310 --> 00:24:20.802 align:middle line:84% I recommend playing one of the other games. 00:24:20.802 --> 00:24:23.550 align:middle line:84% If you haven't played Dominion before, 00:24:23.550 --> 00:24:25.100 align:middle line:84% it's really easy and really fast. 00:24:25.100 --> 00:24:26.160 align:middle line:90% So it's 30 minutes. 00:24:26.160 --> 00:24:28.510 align:middle line:84% Your first playthrough will probably be about 45. 00:24:28.510 --> 00:24:29.977 align:middle line:90% I have not played this one. 00:24:29.977 --> 00:24:32.560 align:middle line:84% And I'm going to find out what it's about when I open the box. 00:24:32.560 --> 00:24:39.790 align:middle line:90% 00:24:39.790 --> 00:24:44.130 align:middle line:90% It's in multiple languages. 00:24:44.130 --> 00:24:47.524 align:middle line:84% Again, board with racing numbers around it, 00:24:47.524 --> 00:24:49.370 align:middle line:90% much smaller board this time. 00:24:49.370 --> 00:24:53.370 align:middle line:90% And what are we to be doing? 00:24:53.370 --> 00:24:59.320 align:middle line:90% 00:24:59.320 --> 00:25:00.320 align:middle line:90% You're archaeologists. 00:25:00.320 --> 00:25:03.590 align:middle line:84% You're trying to acquire knowledge 00:25:03.590 --> 00:25:06.470 align:middle line:90% for an excavation exhibition. 00:25:06.470 --> 00:25:09.575 align:middle line:84% You're planning excavations and exhibitions 00:25:09.575 --> 00:25:16.480 align:middle line:84% and getting victory points from digging in [INAUDIBLE] 00:25:16.480 --> 00:25:19.220 align:middle line:90% and finding valuable artifacts. 00:25:19.220 --> 00:25:21.220 align:middle line:84% So yeah, unfortunately, I can't exactly tell you 00:25:21.220 --> 00:25:24.220 align:middle line:90% exactly what this is about. 00:25:24.220 --> 00:25:27.670 align:middle line:84% But it's likely resource gathering and a little bit 00:25:27.670 --> 00:25:30.470 align:middle line:90% of worker placement. 00:25:30.470 --> 00:25:34.190 align:middle line:84% So those are the 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 games. 00:25:34.190 --> 00:25:36.325 align:middle line:90% Grab a game, set up a group. 00:25:36.325 --> 00:25:40.397 align:middle line:84% I'll call time at about 2:30 and see where we're at. 00:25:40.397 --> 00:25:45.240 align:middle line:90% 00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:51.340 align:middle line:90% So don't put your game away yet. 00:25:51.340 --> 00:25:54.570 align:middle line:90% 00:25:54.570 --> 00:25:57.170 align:middle line:84% If you guys could come back over to Race for the Galaxy-- 00:25:57.170 --> 00:26:00.294 align:middle line:84% what I'd like each group, each game being played, 00:26:00.294 --> 00:26:01.960 align:middle line:84% tell us a little bit about-- well first, 00:26:01.960 --> 00:26:03.764 align:middle line:90% tell us what the game was. 00:26:03.764 --> 00:26:04.555 align:middle line:90% And tell us about-- 00:26:04.555 --> 00:26:07.011 align:middle line:90% 00:26:07.011 --> 00:26:09.010 align:middle line:84% this is assuming you were able to get this far-- 00:26:09.010 --> 00:26:13.030 align:middle line:84% how randomness and player choice entered into the game. 00:26:13.030 --> 00:26:17.500 align:middle line:84% How was it used in the game, how did it play through? 00:26:17.500 --> 00:26:20.740 align:middle line:84% Don't just focus on the statistics of probability, 00:26:20.740 --> 00:26:22.740 align:middle line:84% but also talk about performance, and feel, 00:26:22.740 --> 00:26:27.070 align:middle line:84% and the tactileness of the pieces in what you're doing. 00:26:27.070 --> 00:26:29.165 align:middle line:90% So you guys go first. 00:26:29.165 --> 00:26:32.320 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: All right, we had Puerto Rico. 00:26:32.320 --> 00:26:38.240 align:middle line:84% The randomness had to do with, I guess, right here in the tiles 00:26:38.240 --> 00:26:40.900 align:middle line:84% that the plantation tiles that flip up. 00:26:40.900 --> 00:26:44.320 align:middle line:84% The player's choice comes in with the role 00:26:44.320 --> 00:26:48.670 align:middle line:84% that you can use for that round, and also, I 00:26:48.670 --> 00:26:50.710 align:middle line:84% guess, whatever strategy you choose, 00:26:50.710 --> 00:26:53.350 align:middle line:84% be it building up enough money to buy stuff, 00:26:53.350 --> 00:26:59.500 align:middle line:84% or trying to get enough colonists 00:26:59.500 --> 00:27:03.167 align:middle line:84% so that every single one of your tiles is occupied. 00:27:03.167 --> 00:27:04.750 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: So you had a lot of choices. 00:27:04.750 --> 00:27:08.190 align:middle line:84% Basically, at the beginning of the round, you pick a role, 00:27:08.190 --> 00:27:11.040 align:middle line:84% and each role has a special privilege that you get. 00:27:11.040 --> 00:27:13.470 align:middle line:84% And then everybody, including you, 00:27:13.470 --> 00:27:16.560 align:middle line:84% perform an action based on that role. 00:27:16.560 --> 00:27:20.180 align:middle line:84% And so on your turn, you pick a role, keeping in mind 00:27:20.180 --> 00:27:21.680 align:middle line:84% there's a lot of public information. 00:27:21.680 --> 00:27:23.550 align:middle line:84% So you can see what's good for you 00:27:23.550 --> 00:27:27.330 align:middle line:84% and also perhaps not as good for everyone else. 00:27:27.330 --> 00:27:30.690 align:middle line:84% And then each one of these roles, the actions-- 00:27:30.690 --> 00:27:33.500 align:middle line:84% everybody gets a choice on how they perform it. 00:27:33.500 --> 00:27:36.450 align:middle line:84% So for example, he was saying, these little tiles 00:27:36.450 --> 00:27:37.279 align:middle line:90% that flip up-- 00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:39.570 align:middle line:84% one of the roles lets you basically take one and put it 00:27:39.570 --> 00:27:40.365 align:middle line:90% on your board. 00:27:40.365 --> 00:27:45.002 align:middle line:84% So there's choice there between how you compose your board. 00:27:45.002 --> 00:27:47.460 align:middle line:84% And those lead into getting different resources and victory 00:27:47.460 --> 00:27:49.360 align:middle line:90% points and other such things. 00:27:49.360 --> 00:27:51.735 align:middle line:90% PROFESSOR: How did it feel? 00:27:51.735 --> 00:27:54.770 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: It was really annoying to set up. 00:27:54.770 --> 00:28:01.450 align:middle line:84% Tactileness-- nothing special, I guess. 00:28:01.450 --> 00:28:07.316 align:middle line:84% It's a lot of tiles, little bits you use. 00:28:07.316 --> 00:28:09.470 align:middle line:90% These are goods-- 00:28:09.470 --> 00:28:13.830 align:middle line:84% I think this one is tobacoo, maybe? 00:28:13.830 --> 00:28:14.330 align:middle line:90% Corn. 00:28:14.330 --> 00:28:17.190 align:middle line:90% 00:28:17.190 --> 00:28:20.030 align:middle line:84% Those kinds of things, you sell, you 00:28:20.030 --> 00:28:23.700 align:middle line:90% get gold or victory points for. 00:28:23.700 --> 00:28:25.280 align:middle line:90% Here is a gold. 00:28:25.280 --> 00:28:28.290 align:middle line:90% 00:28:28.290 --> 00:28:30.540 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: You mentioned earlier about the affordances 00:28:30.540 --> 00:28:34.290 align:middle line:90% of the pieces to the play mat? 00:28:34.290 --> 00:28:35.176 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: Yeah. 00:28:35.176 --> 00:28:36.730 align:middle line:90% Is there [INAUDIBLE] play map? 00:28:36.730 --> 00:28:38.172 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: Oh, here. 00:28:38.172 --> 00:28:38.850 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: Yeah. 00:28:38.850 --> 00:28:42.212 align:middle line:84% So this is what the play board looks like. 00:28:42.212 --> 00:28:43.670 align:middle line:84% So you can notice, basically, there 00:28:43.670 --> 00:28:46.620 align:middle line:90% are two main types of grid. 00:28:46.620 --> 00:28:48.780 align:middle line:90% One's little rectangles, 2 x 1. 00:28:48.780 --> 00:28:50.790 align:middle line:90% And one's a 1 x 1 square. 00:28:50.790 --> 00:28:58.610 align:middle line:84% And so we have a couple of different-- 00:28:58.610 --> 00:29:01.300 align:middle line:84% so here is one thing [INAUDIBLE] clearly 2 x 00:29:01.300 --> 00:29:04.960 align:middle line:84% 1 and fit in that 2 by 1 square, and same with this one. 00:29:04.960 --> 00:29:08.070 align:middle line:84% And there are also little 1 x 1 squares. 00:29:08.070 --> 00:29:11.610 align:middle line:84% And so one of the interesting things is that with this board, 00:29:11.610 --> 00:29:16.440 align:middle line:84% you can tell there's clearly a limited number of things you 00:29:16.440 --> 00:29:18.319 align:middle line:90% can put on this grid, right? 00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:20.610 align:middle line:84% I don't think there's a mechanic for removing something 00:29:20.610 --> 00:29:21.840 align:middle line:90% once you've placed it. 00:29:21.840 --> 00:29:23.450 align:middle line:90% So it'll fill up eventually. 00:29:23.450 --> 00:29:25.194 align:middle line:90% So you have to keep [INAUDIBLE]. 00:29:25.194 --> 00:29:27.235 align:middle line:84% While you do want to build things quickly and try 00:29:27.235 --> 00:29:29.440 align:middle line:84% to get more resources at the beginning of the game, 00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:31.090 align:middle line:84% you also don't want to just fill your board with crap 00:29:31.090 --> 00:29:32.798 align:middle line:84% and then be stuck at the end of the game. 00:29:32.798 --> 00:29:35.138 align:middle line:84% So it's kind of similar to Dominion, in that sense. 00:29:35.138 --> 00:29:37.429 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: And while they do building [INAUDIBLE] really 00:29:37.429 --> 00:29:39.570 align:middle line:84% well, because [INAUDIBLE], maybe they 00:29:39.570 --> 00:29:42.420 align:middle line:84% could have done the other bits, where they're roughly 00:29:42.420 --> 00:29:43.640 align:middle line:90% the same size and shape. 00:29:43.640 --> 00:29:46.364 align:middle line:84% And it was a little confusing [INAUDIBLE] square 00:29:46.364 --> 00:29:48.100 align:middle line:90% at the very beginning. 00:29:48.100 --> 00:29:51.292 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: How did the rules support those piece sizes? 00:29:51.292 --> 00:29:52.750 align:middle line:84% You've already got some affordacnes 00:29:52.750 --> 00:29:53.960 align:middle line:90% going on with the pieces. 00:29:53.960 --> 00:29:55.710 align:middle line:90% Do the rules piggyback off that? 00:29:55.710 --> 00:29:57.560 align:middle line:90% Do they take advantage of it? 00:29:57.560 --> 00:29:58.740 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: Not really. 00:29:58.740 --> 00:30:00.970 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: There were some diagrams that were pretty. 00:30:00.970 --> 00:30:05.277 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: Some of them, but they also didn't explain very well. 00:30:05.277 --> 00:30:07.110 align:middle line:84% They didn't diagram the player board at all, 00:30:07.110 --> 00:30:09.960 align:middle line:84% so basically, there's nothing here. 00:30:09.960 --> 00:30:13.920 align:middle line:84% This is just buildings and plants, 00:30:13.920 --> 00:30:15.393 align:middle line:90% and these are plantations. 00:30:15.393 --> 00:30:18.682 align:middle line:84% I think you just kind of figured it out, like I guess we did. 00:30:18.682 --> 00:30:20.140 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE] down, though. 00:30:20.140 --> 00:30:21.098 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: Yeah, it did. 00:30:21.098 --> 00:30:22.560 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE] 00:30:22.560 --> 00:30:23.984 align:middle line:90% 00:30:23.984 --> 00:30:25.650 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: We're only on our second round 00:30:25.650 --> 00:30:28.820 align:middle line:84% right now, like our second full, going around. 00:30:28.820 --> 00:30:30.404 align:middle line:84% Because the setup-- first of all, just 00:30:30.404 --> 00:30:32.694 align:middle line:84% sorting all this stuff out, it's kind of like Dominion, 00:30:32.694 --> 00:30:34.425 align:middle line:84% where it's a pain in the butt to sort out 00:30:34.425 --> 00:30:36.420 align:middle line:84% all the tiles, and the cards, and whatever. 00:30:36.420 --> 00:30:39.000 align:middle line:84% But also just trying to figure out what we're doing, 00:30:39.000 --> 00:30:41.525 align:middle line:84% and what's going on for the first round was really slow. 00:30:41.525 --> 00:30:42.900 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: I mean, I guess there's 00:30:42.900 --> 00:30:45.720 align:middle line:84% a little picture of buildings, and a little picture of palm 00:30:45.720 --> 00:30:47.120 align:middle line:90% trees, so-- 00:30:47.120 --> 00:30:48.640 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: It gives a lot of space 00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:51.660 align:middle line:84% on the map to describing these things that are already 00:30:51.660 --> 00:30:53.710 align:middle line:90% described on the card elsewhere. 00:30:53.710 --> 00:30:55.130 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: Kind of. 00:30:55.130 --> 00:30:55.950 align:middle line:90% So these roles-- 00:30:55.950 --> 00:30:57.042 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE] 00:30:57.042 --> 00:30:58.000 align:middle line:90% PROFESSOR: That's true. 00:30:58.000 --> 00:31:00.510 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: This is a very skimmed down 00:31:00.510 --> 00:31:03.387 align:middle line:90% what's going on, basically. 00:31:03.387 --> 00:31:04.220 align:middle line:90% [INTERPOSING VOICES] 00:31:04.220 --> 00:31:06.178 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: --actually a little more information, 00:31:06.178 --> 00:31:08.376 align:middle line:84% and the rulebook is the full information. 00:31:08.376 --> 00:31:09.630 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE] 00:31:09.630 --> 00:31:12.000 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: Yeah, but I don't know how much 00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:14.773 align:middle line:84% I agree with putting the one-line summary 00:31:14.773 --> 00:31:16.809 align:middle line:90% on these little role cards. 00:31:16.809 --> 00:31:18.225 align:middle line:84% Because you could look at this, it 00:31:18.225 --> 00:31:19.934 align:middle line:84% says "trader"-- what does trader do here? 00:31:19.934 --> 00:31:21.349 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE] information. 00:31:21.349 --> 00:31:22.670 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: Yeah, basically. 00:31:22.670 --> 00:31:24.367 align:middle line:84% I can understand putting it on the board instead 00:31:24.367 --> 00:31:25.722 align:middle line:84% of the rulebook, because no one want 00:31:25.722 --> 00:31:27.800 align:middle line:84% to have to look through the rulebook every time. 00:31:27.800 --> 00:31:31.864 align:middle line:84% But on here, it's an immediate I can see the roles, OK, I 00:31:31.864 --> 00:31:32.780 align:middle line:90% can look at the board. 00:31:32.780 --> 00:31:33.320 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: Do you think redundancies 00:31:33.320 --> 00:31:34.132 align:middle line:90% are bad in general? 00:31:34.132 --> 00:31:35.715 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: No, redundancies are great. 00:31:35.715 --> 00:31:36.650 align:middle line:90% Redundancies awesome. 00:31:36.650 --> 00:31:38.160 align:middle line:90% We use them as best we can. 00:31:38.160 --> 00:31:40.746 align:middle line:84% But you have only so much spaces, 00:31:40.746 --> 00:31:42.120 align:middle line:84% in the pieces and boards that you 00:31:42.120 --> 00:31:44.100 align:middle line:84% make you've got to really decide what's 00:31:44.100 --> 00:31:46.296 align:middle line:84% the most important thing for the person to know. 00:31:46.296 --> 00:31:47.920 align:middle line:84% And the most important thing-- probably 00:31:47.920 --> 00:31:50.040 align:middle line:84% need to tell them more than once. 00:31:50.040 --> 00:31:52.630 align:middle line:84% Through rules, through the play mats and pieces, 00:31:52.630 --> 00:31:54.870 align:middle line:84% through the just natural, this fits here 00:31:54.870 --> 00:31:57.120 align:middle line:84% and this doesn't fit there kind of thing. 00:31:57.120 --> 00:31:58.085 align:middle line:90% But yeah, definitely. 00:31:58.085 --> 00:32:01.850 align:middle line:84% And then text-- some people hate it, some people like it. 00:32:01.850 --> 00:32:05.200 align:middle line:84% I'm in-between, use it as it's needed. 00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:06.360 align:middle line:90% Great. 00:32:06.360 --> 00:32:08.734 align:middle line:84% Race for the Galaxy is kind of similar to this, isn't it? 00:32:08.734 --> 00:32:09.590 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: Basically. 00:32:09.590 --> 00:32:10.589 align:middle line:90% PROFESSOR: There you go. 00:32:10.589 --> 00:32:12.150 align:middle line:84% So tell us about Race for the Galaxy. 00:32:12.150 --> 00:32:14.880 align:middle line:84% Randomness, player choice, and then 00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:16.123 align:middle line:90% affordances for the pieces. 00:32:16.123 --> 00:32:17.340 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE] 00:32:17.340 --> 00:32:17.460 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: Yeah. 00:32:17.460 --> 00:32:18.084 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: Yeah. 00:32:18.084 --> 00:32:20.078 align:middle line:90% [LAUGHING] 00:32:20.078 --> 00:32:22.357 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE] 00:32:22.357 --> 00:32:22.940 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: Huh? 00:32:22.940 --> 00:32:23.565 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: Yeah. 00:32:23.565 --> 00:32:30.260 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE] game [INAUDIBLE] 00:32:30.260 --> 00:32:32.845 align:middle line:84% Yeah, [INAUDIBLE] are really just based 00:32:32.845 --> 00:32:35.330 align:middle line:90% on what cards you got dealt. 00:32:35.330 --> 00:32:37.459 align:middle line:90% PROFESSOR: Can you show us how-- 00:32:37.459 --> 00:32:40.000 align:middle line:84% somebody do an example layout while another person's talking? 00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:44.560 align:middle line:90% 00:32:44.560 --> 00:32:46.999 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: You had a starting world, 00:32:46.999 --> 00:32:49.040 align:middle line:84% which was like a starting hand, which contributes 00:32:49.040 --> 00:32:50.165 align:middle line:90% a lot of your initial luck. 00:32:50.165 --> 00:32:54.020 align:middle line:84% And then the card that you drew earlier particularly for-- 00:32:54.020 --> 00:32:58.250 align:middle line:84% you could say [INAUDIBLE], if you don't get any useful cards, 00:32:58.250 --> 00:33:03.950 align:middle line:84% then you're sort of stuck, and you just have to [INAUDIBLE]. 00:33:03.950 --> 00:33:07.610 align:middle line:84% Whereas if you get good cards, then you can sort of-- they'll 00:33:07.610 --> 00:33:11.330 align:middle line:90% allow you to [INAUDIBLE] 00:33:11.330 --> 00:33:13.785 align:middle line:84% So a wrench in the game is that the game is designed to-- 00:33:13.785 --> 00:33:18.440 align:middle line:84% it's like there is sort of a way to have an engine by every turn 00:33:18.440 --> 00:33:20.900 align:middle line:90% by producing points every turn. 00:33:20.900 --> 00:33:25.734 align:middle line:84% But by the time you actually get the engine up 00:33:25.734 --> 00:33:28.391 align:middle line:84% and running, the game ends in one or two turns, anyway. 00:33:28.391 --> 00:33:31.244 align:middle line:90% 00:33:31.244 --> 00:33:31.785 align:middle line:90% I don't know. 00:33:31.785 --> 00:33:32.720 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: Does that feel like what you guys were 00:33:32.720 --> 00:33:33.470 align:middle line:90% doing in this one? 00:33:33.470 --> 00:33:35.720 align:middle line:84% Struggling to build something that 00:33:35.720 --> 00:33:37.065 align:middle line:90% would produce stuff in the end? 00:33:37.065 --> 00:33:37.940 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: Yeah, yeah. 00:33:37.940 --> 00:33:39.564 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: And on the other games, too? 00:33:39.564 --> 00:33:41.920 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: It's producing immediately, actually. 00:33:41.920 --> 00:33:46.310 align:middle line:84% After the first full round, I think every one of us 00:33:46.310 --> 00:33:48.869 align:middle line:84% got something to sell to get stuff back, basically. 00:33:48.869 --> 00:33:50.660 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: It's interesting to me that those 00:33:50.660 --> 00:33:52.780 align:middle line:90% are the same games, sort of. 00:33:52.780 --> 00:33:56.690 align:middle line:84% But this has so many bits, and bobs, and gadgets [INAUDIBLE]. 00:33:56.690 --> 00:33:57.520 align:middle line:90% And [INAUDIBLE] 00:33:57.520 --> 00:34:00.870 align:middle line:90% PROFESSOR: From a deck of cards. 00:34:00.870 --> 00:34:04.202 align:middle line:84% What is this doing that that one is doing, too? 00:34:04.202 --> 00:34:06.352 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: The role selection. 00:34:06.352 --> 00:34:07.810 align:middle line:84% You choose what you're going to do, 00:34:07.810 --> 00:34:11.153 align:middle line:84% but everyone gets to follow suit with that. 00:34:11.153 --> 00:34:15.742 align:middle line:84% Then you get a bonus [INAUDIBLE]. 00:34:15.742 --> 00:34:19.179 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: The little bit there-- they exist here, 00:34:19.179 --> 00:34:22.610 align:middle line:84% but they're in the form of cards face down [INAUDIBLE]. 00:34:22.610 --> 00:34:26.283 align:middle line:84% And so it's not apparent that you have [INAUDIBLE]. 00:34:26.283 --> 00:34:28.699 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: Did you have to sort out those goods beforehand? 00:34:28.699 --> 00:34:29.250 align:middle line:90% Or is it just-- 00:34:29.250 --> 00:34:29.875 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: Nope. 00:34:29.875 --> 00:34:33.589 align:middle line:84% You literally-- it's like if you suddenly 00:34:33.589 --> 00:34:35.130 align:middle line:84% get a mining good on a mining planet, 00:34:35.130 --> 00:34:36.680 align:middle line:84% you take the top card in the deck, 00:34:36.680 --> 00:34:39.639 align:middle line:90% put it face down under there. 00:34:39.639 --> 00:34:42.790 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: So you're taking cards out of play 00:34:42.790 --> 00:34:43.803 align:middle line:90% when you're doing that. 00:34:43.803 --> 00:34:46.469 align:middle line:84% By generating a resource, you're reducing the amount of choices. 00:34:46.469 --> 00:34:48.290 align:middle line:84% Granted, there's a ton of choices up there. 00:34:48.290 --> 00:34:49.489 align:middle line:90% The deck is really large. 00:34:49.489 --> 00:34:51.310 align:middle line:84% So it's not making a huge effort. 00:34:51.310 --> 00:34:54.580 align:middle line:84% Is there a card that you can kind of bury cards 00:34:54.580 --> 00:34:57.376 align:middle line:84% underneath and just completely remove from play for this one? 00:34:57.376 --> 00:34:59.276 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: I mean, [INAUDIBLE] could 00:34:59.276 --> 00:35:01.527 align:middle line:84% be put [INAUDIBLE] until you discard 00:35:01.527 --> 00:35:03.004 align:middle line:90% it and then [INAUDIBLE]. 00:35:03.004 --> 00:35:04.420 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: So in San Juan, there's 00:35:04.420 --> 00:35:08.212 align:middle line:84% a chapel where every time you put a card underneath it, 00:35:08.212 --> 00:35:09.920 align:middle line:84% it creates a victory point, and that card 00:35:09.920 --> 00:35:12.790 align:middle line:84% can never be used for the rest of that play session. 00:35:12.790 --> 00:35:15.130 align:middle line:84% So a good strategy in that game is 00:35:15.130 --> 00:35:19.570 align:middle line:84% to take things like another high points-giving card 00:35:19.570 --> 00:35:21.930 align:middle line:84% that maybe you can't to build, and somebody else could, 00:35:21.930 --> 00:35:23.710 align:middle line:84% and burying it-- removing it from play. 00:35:23.710 --> 00:35:25.480 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: Yeah, this game, you just hold it in your hand, 00:35:25.480 --> 00:35:26.064 align:middle line:90% never play it. 00:35:26.064 --> 00:35:26.730 align:middle line:90% PROFESSOR: Yeah. 00:35:26.730 --> 00:35:28.280 align:middle line:84% Can you talk about the player mats? 00:35:28.280 --> 00:35:31.058 align:middle line:84% The kind of player aids it gives you? 00:35:31.058 --> 00:35:33.896 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: A very expansive cheat sheet. 00:35:33.896 --> 00:35:36.520 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: Yeah, the game uses a lot of iconography on the card. 00:35:36.520 --> 00:35:39.370 align:middle line:90% 00:35:39.370 --> 00:35:42.959 align:middle line:84% One team used a lot of the iconography there. 00:35:42.959 --> 00:35:45.000 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: To somebody who hasn't played before-- 00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:47.584 align:middle line:84% was the iconography helpful or hurtful? 00:35:47.584 --> 00:35:49.250 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: It was certainly very helpful. 00:35:49.250 --> 00:35:52.180 align:middle line:84% I think just thinking along the lines of [INAUDIBLE], 00:35:52.180 --> 00:35:53.660 align:middle line:90% there are very few in this game. 00:35:53.660 --> 00:35:56.910 align:middle line:84% So even though the iconography has 00:35:56.910 --> 00:35:59.470 align:middle line:84% a hand next to a card with a "2" on it, 00:35:59.470 --> 00:36:02.330 align:middle line:84% I still had to work to make sure what that means. 00:36:02.330 --> 00:36:04.260 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: On the other hand, one thing 00:36:04.260 --> 00:36:08.280 align:middle line:84% that they did was hexagons are victory points. 00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:11.250 align:middle line:84% They have the hexagon victory points that are actually 00:36:11.250 --> 00:36:12.500 align:middle line:90% little tiles that you can see. 00:36:12.500 --> 00:36:17.600 align:middle line:84% But then on the cards, you can see that on every card, 00:36:17.600 --> 00:36:20.070 align:middle line:84% there's the victory point value, and that's in a hexagon. 00:36:20.070 --> 00:36:22.950 align:middle line:84% And whenever there's a card that says gain victory points, 00:36:22.950 --> 00:36:25.280 align:middle line:90% you see it has a hexagon. 00:36:25.280 --> 00:36:25.966 align:middle line:90% PROFESSOR: Yeah. 00:36:25.966 --> 00:36:28.507 align:middle line:84% It could have very well just be shitty fireworks just flowing 00:36:28.507 --> 00:36:30.420 align:middle line:84% out, like this is the card to use. 00:36:30.420 --> 00:36:33.320 align:middle line:84% It's calling it out, really clearly out. 00:36:33.320 --> 00:36:33.918 align:middle line:90% That's great. 00:36:33.918 --> 00:36:34.959 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: Or the shapes-- 00:36:34.959 --> 00:36:39.310 align:middle line:84% I don't know, the icons make use of the card shape. 00:36:39.310 --> 00:36:40.810 align:middle line:90% They have a little rectangle-- 00:36:40.810 --> 00:36:42.240 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: There's also diamonds, 00:36:42.240 --> 00:36:43.897 align:middle line:84% and rectangles, and circles, yeah? 00:36:43.897 --> 00:36:44.811 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: Yeah. 00:36:44.811 --> 00:36:49.020 align:middle line:84% Diamonds and circles are for the two types of cards. 00:36:49.020 --> 00:36:52.350 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: Are they in different places than [INAUDIBLE]? 00:36:52.350 --> 00:36:56.310 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: Yeah, each card has a hexagon thing that [INAUDIBLE] 00:36:56.310 --> 00:36:58.437 align:middle line:90% as well as the [INAUDIBLE]. 00:36:58.437 --> 00:37:00.270 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: So yeah, thinking about placement 00:37:00.270 --> 00:37:01.500 align:middle line:84% of where you're putting your numbers, 00:37:01.500 --> 00:37:04.079 align:middle line:84% and where you're putting things on the card, where your eye 00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:05.370 align:middle line:90% goes when you look at the card. 00:37:05.370 --> 00:37:09.283 align:middle line:84% I mean, those are really complex-looking cards there. 00:37:09.283 --> 00:37:12.092 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: They even have a little-- 00:37:12.092 --> 00:37:15.820 align:middle line:84% in the upper right, they have sort of reminder symbols 00:37:15.820 --> 00:37:16.764 align:middle line:90% on the cards there. 00:37:16.764 --> 00:37:21.040 align:middle line:84% Because there's [INAUDIBLE] just to remind you, oh, 00:37:21.040 --> 00:37:22.299 align:middle line:90% this card is-- 00:37:22.299 --> 00:37:24.715 align:middle line:84% you might forget about this power, you should remember it. 00:37:24.715 --> 00:37:26.640 align:middle line:90% PROFESSOR: Yeah. 00:37:26.640 --> 00:37:30.176 align:middle line:84% That game-- I think all of these are made by the same company. 00:37:30.176 --> 00:37:30.698 align:middle line:90% Yeah. 00:37:30.698 --> 00:37:31.198 align:middle line:90% Rio Grande? 00:37:31.198 --> 00:37:34.070 align:middle line:90% Oh, no, [INAUDIBLE]. 00:37:34.070 --> 00:37:36.810 align:middle line:84% So you're going to see different kinds of-- what do you call 00:37:36.810 --> 00:37:37.310 align:middle line:90% it-- 00:37:37.310 --> 00:37:38.960 align:middle line:90% style guides that they're using. 00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:42.680 align:middle line:84% The rules for these three games are very similar. 00:37:42.680 --> 00:37:45.069 align:middle line:84% I think Race has a little bit more advanced layout, 00:37:45.069 --> 00:37:46.610 align:middle line:84% but there's the basic kind of layout, 00:37:46.610 --> 00:37:49.790 align:middle line:84% where the rules on one side, some columns and sidebars 00:37:49.790 --> 00:37:52.940 align:middle line:84% on the other side, the occasional diagram. 00:37:52.940 --> 00:37:56.210 align:middle line:84% But that designer believed in, everything 00:37:56.210 --> 00:37:59.040 align:middle line:90% goes on the cards in some form. 00:37:59.040 --> 00:37:59.914 align:middle line:90% Everything's there. 00:37:59.914 --> 00:38:01.580 align:middle line:84% You can play the game without the rules, 00:38:01.580 --> 00:38:03.686 align:middle line:84% unless you have a really good memory. 00:38:03.686 --> 00:38:08.056 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: I mean, the thing is, you need to use expansions. 00:38:08.056 --> 00:38:12.199 align:middle line:84% And you can introduce expansions, 00:38:12.199 --> 00:38:14.490 align:middle line:84% and you don't need to read the rules in the expansions. 00:38:14.490 --> 00:38:16.560 align:middle line:84% And they'll introduce a whole bunch of iconography, 00:38:16.560 --> 00:38:18.096 align:middle line:84% and you'll look at it, I'm like, oh, I 00:38:18.096 --> 00:38:19.179 align:middle line:90% bet this is a [INAUDIBLE]. 00:38:19.179 --> 00:38:21.364 align:middle line:84% And I'll bet that this is what card means, 00:38:21.364 --> 00:38:22.555 align:middle line:90% and it's usually right. 00:38:22.555 --> 00:38:23.180 align:middle line:90% PROFESSOR: Yep. 00:38:23.180 --> 00:38:25.190 align:middle line:84% Cool, so we're still doing good on time. 00:38:25.190 --> 00:38:27.010 align:middle line:90% [INAUDIBLE] 00:38:27.010 --> 00:38:30.460 align:middle line:84% Randomness, player choice, and then affordances. 00:38:30.460 --> 00:38:32.540 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: Well, the randomness came when we first 00:38:32.540 --> 00:38:36.464 align:middle line:84% dealt out the application cards and the minor flipping cards. 00:38:36.464 --> 00:38:39.416 align:middle line:90% There's the [INAUDIBLE]. 00:38:39.416 --> 00:38:44.024 align:middle line:84% [INAUDIBLE] we deal out seven to eac player, for each. 00:38:44.024 --> 00:38:47.433 align:middle line:84% So that's sort of where the randomness comes in. 00:38:47.433 --> 00:38:51.270 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: And it gets amplified, because these occupations 00:38:51.270 --> 00:38:53.188 align:middle line:84% and improvements seem like, you could just 00:38:53.188 --> 00:38:54.396 align:middle line:90% go creating things with them. 00:38:54.396 --> 00:38:56.804 align:middle line:84% He got something that let him [INAUDIBLE] 00:38:56.804 --> 00:38:58.970 align:middle line:84% throughout the board that he would continue to play. 00:38:58.970 --> 00:39:00.270 align:middle line:84% And then he had another thing that he 00:39:00.270 --> 00:39:02.370 align:middle line:84% could use that allowed him to double that amount. 00:39:02.370 --> 00:39:06.220 align:middle line:90% So it really feels set up for-- 00:39:06.220 --> 00:39:09.470 align:middle line:84% yeah, it seems like you can just make 00:39:09.470 --> 00:39:11.670 align:middle line:84% these crazy combinations that basically give you 00:39:11.670 --> 00:39:14.568 align:middle line:90% farming superpowers. 00:39:14.568 --> 00:39:18.509 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: I forgot about that part [INAUDIBLE]. 00:39:18.509 --> 00:39:20.050 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: What was it like choosing? 00:39:20.050 --> 00:39:22.270 align:middle line:84% How did you decide what to choose, when to choose? 00:39:22.270 --> 00:39:24.200 align:middle line:90% Did you get far enough? 00:39:24.200 --> 00:39:25.230 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: Yeah. 00:39:25.230 --> 00:39:28.010 align:middle line:84% In the beginning, I had no idea what I was doing and why I won. 00:39:28.010 --> 00:39:30.680 align:middle line:84% But as we got through, I started to get a sense of it. 00:39:30.680 --> 00:39:34.332 align:middle line:84% And now, I'm finding it easier to think about, OK, I'm going 00:39:34.332 --> 00:39:35.910 align:middle line:90% to need wood to build a room. 00:39:35.910 --> 00:39:40.180 align:middle line:84% I'm going to need food, because the harvest is coming up. 00:39:40.180 --> 00:39:42.097 align:middle line:84% But at the same time, I feel like I 00:39:42.097 --> 00:39:44.180 align:middle line:84% don't have a good enough sense of what's the deck. 00:39:44.180 --> 00:39:47.106 align:middle line:84% Because he was just pulling out things that I had no idea 00:39:47.106 --> 00:39:47.980 align:middle line:90% it could even happen. 00:39:47.980 --> 00:39:49.480 align:middle line:90% And then like, oh, wow. 00:39:49.480 --> 00:39:51.325 align:middle line:90% OK, that changes a lot. 00:39:51.325 --> 00:39:52.950 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: So what's the choice for him 00:39:52.950 --> 00:39:54.259 align:middle line:90% is random situation for you. 00:39:54.259 --> 00:39:55.800 align:middle line:84% You just have no clue that might even 00:39:55.800 --> 00:39:57.840 align:middle line:84% pop up, because you don't have that information, right? 00:39:57.840 --> 00:39:58.465 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: Yeah. 00:39:58.465 --> 00:40:01.090 align:middle line:90% 00:40:01.090 --> 00:40:03.600 align:middle line:84% So I think it would take a while to get a good sense 00:40:03.600 --> 00:40:06.590 align:middle line:84% and fully understand what's happening. 00:40:06.590 --> 00:40:11.295 align:middle line:84% But I could already plan what I'm trying to do on my end. 00:40:11.295 --> 00:40:12.795 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: Can you talk a little bit 00:40:12.795 --> 00:40:14.149 align:middle line:90% about the affordances of it? 00:40:14.149 --> 00:40:16.690 align:middle line:84% Tactile feel, how did it feel when you were playing the game? 00:40:16.690 --> 00:40:20.690 align:middle line:90% 00:40:20.690 --> 00:40:27.450 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: I like the board setup [INAUDIBLE] know that either 00:40:27.450 --> 00:40:28.428 align:middle line:90% [INAUDIBLE]. 00:40:28.428 --> 00:40:35.056 align:middle line:90% 00:40:35.056 --> 00:40:38.985 align:middle line:84% And the [INAUDIBLE], the [INAUDIBLE] shapes, 00:40:38.985 --> 00:40:40.960 align:middle line:90% [INAUDIBLE]. 00:40:40.960 --> 00:40:42.956 align:middle line:84% In terms of the resources, it felt weird, 00:40:42.956 --> 00:40:46.790 align:middle line:84% because they were all either little circles or cubes. 00:40:46.790 --> 00:40:50.220 align:middle line:84% And you just have to remember what the colors mean. 00:40:50.220 --> 00:40:53.650 align:middle line:84% But then again, they're also [INAUDIBLE]. 00:40:53.650 --> 00:40:57.080 align:middle line:84% The little pictures on the common area 00:40:57.080 --> 00:40:59.550 align:middle line:84% that tells you what they are whenever you [INAUDIBLE]. 00:40:59.550 --> 00:41:02.690 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: Yeah, and there's this interesting thing where 00:41:02.690 --> 00:41:06.190 align:middle line:84% every round, if a resource hasn't been taken, 00:41:06.190 --> 00:41:08.566 align:middle line:90% then it increases. 00:41:08.566 --> 00:41:10.690 align:middle line:84% And now let's say there's three woods sitting here. 00:41:10.690 --> 00:41:13.590 align:middle line:84% The next round, there'll be six, the round after, nine. 00:41:13.590 --> 00:41:15.374 align:middle line:84% And so on, and it keeps building. 00:41:15.374 --> 00:41:17.665 align:middle line:84% And so to make it easy to remember that, what they have 00:41:17.665 --> 00:41:20.100 align:middle line:84% you do is they have you put it on these little squares 00:41:20.100 --> 00:41:23.126 align:middle line:84% to start out with, so you can know what you just added. 00:41:23.126 --> 00:41:24.979 align:middle line:84% And then there's an arrow pointing 00:41:24.979 --> 00:41:26.520 align:middle line:84% into this little bucket, so you know, 00:41:26.520 --> 00:41:29.646 align:middle line:84% OK, place it here to set up the round, put it into the bucket 00:41:29.646 --> 00:41:31.430 align:middle line:90% so that everything's there. 00:41:31.430 --> 00:41:34.430 align:middle line:84% And I feel like it'd be pretty easy to lose track, like, 00:41:34.430 --> 00:41:37.040 align:middle line:90% oh, have we added wood here yet? 00:41:37.040 --> 00:41:40.752 align:middle line:84% We kept forgetting to add sheep [INAUDIBLE]. 00:41:40.752 --> 00:41:41.960 align:middle line:90% PROFESSOR: So you're farming. 00:41:41.960 --> 00:41:45.850 align:middle line:84% There's animals, and there's other things-- vegetation, 00:41:45.850 --> 00:41:48.190 align:middle line:90% stone, raw materials. 00:41:48.190 --> 00:41:49.660 align:middle line:90% It breaks them up, right? 00:41:49.660 --> 00:41:52.684 align:middle line:84% The squares are things that are animated-- they're living? 00:41:52.684 --> 00:41:53.350 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: Mm-hm. 00:41:53.350 --> 00:41:55.520 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: Circles are things that don't animate. 00:41:55.520 --> 00:41:58.300 align:middle line:84% Is there some kind of affordance going on there? 00:41:58.300 --> 00:42:00.730 align:middle line:84% Does that seem useful to you, why those are 00:42:00.730 --> 00:42:01.960 align:middle line:90% being distinguished that way? 00:42:01.960 --> 00:42:06.380 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: Yeah, because animals and resources 00:42:06.380 --> 00:42:07.390 align:middle line:90% behave very differently. 00:42:07.390 --> 00:42:09.280 align:middle line:84% Because these resources, you're usually 00:42:09.280 --> 00:42:13.880 align:middle line:84% expending to either get improvement, or build houses, 00:42:13.880 --> 00:42:15.150 align:middle line:90% things like that. 00:42:15.150 --> 00:42:19.030 align:middle line:84% Whereas animals, you have to manage a little bit more 00:42:19.030 --> 00:42:21.380 align:middle line:84% in terms of OK, I could kill this animal and eat it, 00:42:21.380 --> 00:42:22.800 align:middle line:90% or it'll give me points later. 00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:24.394 align:middle line:84% Or I can breed them, and I'll have 00:42:24.394 --> 00:42:27.220 align:middle line:84% to keep track of spacing them here. 00:42:27.220 --> 00:42:30.160 align:middle line:84% So there's a nice separation of what 00:42:30.160 --> 00:42:31.476 align:middle line:90% you're really doing with them. 00:42:31.476 --> 00:42:33.428 align:middle line:90% PROFESSOR: Cool. 00:42:33.428 --> 00:42:34.350 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE] 00:42:34.350 --> 00:42:35.840 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: No, he's not in today. 00:42:35.840 --> 00:42:36.370 align:middle line:90% He'll be in tomorrow. 00:42:36.370 --> 00:42:37.324 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: OK, thank you. 00:42:37.324 --> 00:42:37.949 align:middle line:90% PROFESSOR: Yep. 00:42:37.949 --> 00:42:40.670 align:middle line:90% 00:42:40.670 --> 00:42:41.210 align:middle line:90% Great. 00:42:41.210 --> 00:42:43.310 align:middle line:84% Anything else you have to say about this one? 00:42:43.310 --> 00:42:44.070 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: It's really fun. 00:42:44.070 --> 00:42:46.445 align:middle line:84% I'll probably go buy it, because I want to play it again. 00:42:46.445 --> 00:42:47.939 align:middle line:90% PROFESSOR: Why is it fun? 00:42:47.939 --> 00:42:49.230 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: Probably the choices. 00:42:49.230 --> 00:42:51.050 align:middle line:84% There's just so much going on, and it 00:42:51.050 --> 00:42:54.350 align:middle line:84% feels like I could really make my own strategy. 00:42:54.350 --> 00:42:55.100 align:middle line:90% And I don't know-- 00:42:55.100 --> 00:42:57.410 align:middle line:84% I just had all these crazy plans of, OK, if he 00:42:57.410 --> 00:42:59.044 align:middle line:84% [INAUDIBLE] a room, that means that I 00:42:59.044 --> 00:43:01.085 align:middle line:84% can, which means I can build my family next turn, 00:43:01.085 --> 00:43:02.751 align:middle line:84% which means that I'll have more actions. 00:43:02.751 --> 00:43:05.690 align:middle line:84% And now I can do even more stuff, and get more resources. 00:43:05.690 --> 00:43:08.660 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: So there's this complicated system going on-- 00:43:08.660 --> 00:43:10.940 align:middle line:84% if I can try to remember it, understand 00:43:10.940 --> 00:43:13.380 align:middle line:84% it-- a complex system going on that you're 00:43:13.380 --> 00:43:14.880 align:middle line:84% going in the right direction, do you 00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:16.830 align:middle line:84% feel like you can kind of switch? 00:43:16.830 --> 00:43:17.520 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: Yeah. 00:43:17.520 --> 00:43:19.200 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: For people who played it multiple times, 00:43:19.200 --> 00:43:20.640 align:middle line:90% did you feel the same way? 00:43:20.640 --> 00:43:23.570 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: Yeah, because if you and your opponent 00:43:23.570 --> 00:43:26.200 align:middle line:84% aren't choosing a choice, it gets juicier 00:43:26.200 --> 00:43:27.275 align:middle line:90% and juicier every round. 00:43:27.275 --> 00:43:30.376 align:middle line:84% And so it's this game of chicken-- like, 00:43:30.376 --> 00:43:31.750 align:middle line:84% are you going to go for the wood? 00:43:31.750 --> 00:43:33.208 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: Yeah, there was one round 00:43:33.208 --> 00:43:34.417 align:middle line:90% where I kept nine or 10 wood. 00:43:34.417 --> 00:43:35.374 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: I don't know. 00:43:35.374 --> 00:43:36.270 align:middle line:90% That was fun for me. 00:43:36.270 --> 00:43:36.960 align:middle line:90% I like that. 00:43:36.960 --> 00:43:39.350 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: Just thinking back on what he said, 00:43:39.350 --> 00:43:41.440 align:middle line:84% I actually like this game a lot, too, 00:43:41.440 --> 00:43:43.610 align:middle line:84% having a lot to do with all the different choices. 00:43:43.610 --> 00:43:46.670 align:middle line:84% And there's a really complicated system 00:43:46.670 --> 00:43:50.280 align:middle line:84% that it took a while to kind of understand. 00:43:50.280 --> 00:43:52.070 align:middle line:84% And I don't understand it completely yet, 00:43:52.070 --> 00:43:55.810 align:middle line:84% but I'm getting a much better feel for it, you know. 00:43:55.810 --> 00:43:57.840 align:middle line:84% And I think that's really appealing, 00:43:57.840 --> 00:44:01.320 align:middle line:84% not having something so absurdly complex that nobody 00:44:01.320 --> 00:44:02.960 align:middle line:90% can actually do it. 00:44:02.960 --> 00:44:06.409 align:middle line:84% But not having something really simple, either. 00:44:06.409 --> 00:44:07.950 align:middle line:84% Just the sheer number of choices here 00:44:07.950 --> 00:44:09.740 align:middle line:84% makes it really interesting to me. 00:44:09.740 --> 00:44:11.634 align:middle line:84% Because I guess one of the things 00:44:11.634 --> 00:44:13.175 align:middle line:84% about having not that many choices is 00:44:13.175 --> 00:44:15.920 align:middle line:84% it almost feels like I could just make a computer play it, 00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:18.600 align:middle line:84% because there are only n possible outcomes 00:44:18.600 --> 00:44:20.470 align:middle line:90% of the eventual game. 00:44:20.470 --> 00:44:24.450 align:middle line:84% But something like this, that's just unbeatable, really, 00:44:24.450 --> 00:44:28.834 align:middle line:84% unless you actually make it a really smart player. 00:44:28.834 --> 00:44:30.217 align:middle line:90% PROFESSOR: Great. 00:44:30.217 --> 00:44:31.620 align:middle line:90% [INAUDIBLE] in the back. 00:44:31.620 --> 00:44:34.020 align:middle line:84% Randomness, player choice, affordances based 00:44:34.020 --> 00:44:36.339 align:middle line:90% on what you got to work with. 00:44:36.339 --> 00:44:38.380 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: So there's definitely randomness in it, 00:44:38.380 --> 00:44:41.859 align:middle line:84% because you draw your initial hand and every subsequent hand. 00:44:41.859 --> 00:44:43.525 align:middle line:84% And a lot of times, you can put together 00:44:43.525 --> 00:44:46.200 align:middle line:84% some ridiculous combination, [INAUDIBLE] 00:44:46.200 --> 00:44:49.434 align:middle line:84% would just get market, market, market, market, smithy. 00:44:49.434 --> 00:44:50.850 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: What about [INAUDIBLE]? 00:44:50.850 --> 00:44:51.290 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: What? 00:44:51.290 --> 00:44:52.110 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: What about [INAUDIBLE]? 00:44:52.110 --> 00:44:53.080 align:middle line:90% Why'd you do that? 00:44:53.080 --> 00:44:55.847 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: Well, so what he said-- right away, 00:44:55.847 --> 00:44:56.430 align:middle line:90% you just draw. 00:44:56.430 --> 00:44:58.471 align:middle line:84% And so what you can do is buy these action cards. 00:44:58.471 --> 00:45:00.920 align:middle line:84% And with these action cards, you can get free moves. 00:45:00.920 --> 00:45:03.395 align:middle line:84% And the market-- I think it's the best one, because you 00:45:03.395 --> 00:45:07.355 align:middle line:84% get an action, a buy, a coin, and something else, whatever. 00:45:07.355 --> 00:45:09.995 align:middle line:84% And so what I would do is I'd play the market one, 00:45:09.995 --> 00:45:10.764 align:middle line:90% then he'd draw. 00:45:10.764 --> 00:45:12.305 align:middle line:84% So I'd play the market one, I'd draw. 00:45:12.305 --> 00:45:13.790 align:middle line:84% And then I'd draw market, I'd play market, 00:45:13.790 --> 00:45:15.275 align:middle line:84% and then I'd draw, and then draw market. 00:45:15.275 --> 00:45:15.770 align:middle line:90% And then I'd play market. 00:45:15.770 --> 00:45:16.329 align:middle line:90% [LAUGHING] 00:45:16.329 --> 00:45:18.245 align:middle line:84% And then when I'd draw, I would draw a smithy. 00:45:18.245 --> 00:45:20.169 align:middle line:84% And then you could draw two more cards, 00:45:20.169 --> 00:45:21.710 align:middle line:84% and I would just draw two more cards. 00:45:21.710 --> 00:45:25.422 align:middle line:84% And I'd be sitting here with 15 coins, or 20 coins, 00:45:25.422 --> 00:45:27.650 align:middle line:84% and I can do literally whatever I want. 00:45:27.650 --> 00:45:30.130 align:middle line:84% I can buy it however many times I want with however 00:45:30.130 --> 00:45:33.772 align:middle line:90% much money I want, [INAUDIBLE]. 00:45:33.772 --> 00:45:35.697 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: So yeah, there are definitely 00:45:35.697 --> 00:45:37.280 align:middle line:84% some really powerful combinations that 00:45:37.280 --> 00:45:38.404 align:middle line:90% plays with the luck factor. 00:45:38.404 --> 00:45:42.180 align:middle line:84% But at the same time, it feels there's 00:45:42.180 --> 00:45:43.660 align:middle line:90% a lot of skill in the game. 00:45:43.660 --> 00:45:48.480 align:middle line:84% It does also feel like if I played it 10, 15 times, 00:45:48.480 --> 00:45:51.910 align:middle line:84% I would have a very good sense of what to do, 00:45:51.910 --> 00:45:55.680 align:middle line:84% and the skill would start to go away. 00:45:55.680 --> 00:45:59.260 align:middle line:84% Like if I played it 10 or 15 times, and everyone else did, 00:45:59.260 --> 00:46:02.400 align:middle line:84% I feel like we would be always much better at it. 00:46:02.400 --> 00:46:04.710 align:middle line:84% And there would be a developed strategy, or maybe 00:46:04.710 --> 00:46:06.610 align:middle line:84% two strategies, and counter-strategies, 00:46:06.610 --> 00:46:09.190 align:middle line:90% something along those lines. 00:46:09.190 --> 00:46:11.812 align:middle line:84% So they were saying it feels like infinite possibilities, 00:46:11.812 --> 00:46:13.980 align:middle line:84% only it didn't feel like infinite possibility. 00:46:13.980 --> 00:46:15.285 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: So there are affordances in the game that 00:46:15.285 --> 00:46:16.384 align:middle line:90% can avoid that. 00:46:16.384 --> 00:46:17.508 align:middle line:90% What do you think they are? 00:46:17.508 --> 00:46:23.280 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE] There are a million cards. 00:46:23.280 --> 00:46:25.510 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: Yeah, so that's the basic set. 00:46:25.510 --> 00:46:28.138 align:middle line:84% How many cards were in the basic set? 00:46:28.138 --> 00:46:29.340 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: 500, [INAUDIBLE]. 00:46:29.340 --> 00:46:32.380 align:middle line:84% Although I don't know how many [INAUDIBLE] that actually 00:46:32.380 --> 00:46:39.380 align:middle line:84% change [INAUDIBLE] 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 00:46:39.380 --> 00:46:41.273 align:middle line:90% 14, 15, 16, 17-- lots. 00:46:41.273 --> 00:46:42.540 align:middle line:90% PROFESSOR: Lots, yeah. 00:46:42.540 --> 00:46:43.185 align:middle line:90% [LAUGHING] 00:46:43.185 --> 00:46:45.030 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: OK, so that should change it up, I guess. 00:46:45.030 --> 00:46:45.410 align:middle line:90% PROFESSOR: Possibly. 00:46:45.410 --> 00:46:47.400 align:middle line:84% I mean, still, your inexperienced players 00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:48.674 align:middle line:90% will say that exact same. 00:46:48.674 --> 00:46:51.090 align:middle line:84% And maybe those expansions-- you can bring an expansion in 00:46:51.090 --> 00:46:52.948 align:middle line:90% and change some things up. 00:46:52.948 --> 00:46:55.710 align:middle line:90% 00:46:55.710 --> 00:46:56.820 align:middle line:90% I don't know. 00:46:56.820 --> 00:46:58.685 align:middle line:84% Anybody else who's played Dominion a lot-- 00:46:58.685 --> 00:47:01.580 align:middle line:84% have there been strategies that you've seen come and go, 00:47:01.580 --> 00:47:02.630 align:middle line:90% like there is in Magic? 00:47:02.630 --> 00:47:04.214 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: I mean, it entirely depends 00:47:04.214 --> 00:47:05.690 align:middle line:90% what's out on the board. 00:47:05.690 --> 00:47:07.620 align:middle line:90% PROFESSOR: Yeah, exactly. 00:47:07.620 --> 00:47:10.906 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: Is there [INAUDIBLE] engine and still 00:47:10.906 --> 00:47:12.690 align:middle line:90% have the money to buy things? 00:47:12.690 --> 00:47:16.504 align:middle line:84% Or is there just really interesting action, 00:47:16.504 --> 00:47:19.260 align:middle line:84% or the other cards [INAUDIBLE] tiny deck. 00:47:19.260 --> 00:47:21.232 align:middle line:84% Or are there no specific [INAUDIBLE]? 00:47:21.232 --> 00:47:23.550 align:middle line:84% And that changes each time you play 00:47:23.550 --> 00:47:25.377 align:middle line:90% depending on how you set it up. 00:47:25.377 --> 00:47:28.080 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: So there's a related game called Ascension, 00:47:28.080 --> 00:47:30.409 align:middle line:84% wish I pretty much prefer more, but probably just 00:47:30.409 --> 00:47:32.700 align:middle line:84% because I've played it more, and that was my first one. 00:47:32.700 --> 00:47:34.366 align:middle line:84% It's really interesting, because instead 00:47:34.366 --> 00:47:36.910 align:middle line:84% of at the beginning, of Dominion, 00:47:36.910 --> 00:47:41.661 align:middle line:84% you randomly select a couple different tiles, basically. 00:47:41.661 --> 00:47:45.090 align:middle line:84% In Ascension, you actually just have a really, really big deck, 00:47:45.090 --> 00:47:46.135 align:middle line:90% and you shuffle that. 00:47:46.135 --> 00:47:50.170 align:middle line:84% And you deal out just hold 'em style, just stick 00:47:50.170 --> 00:47:51.970 align:middle line:90% cards across the board. 00:47:51.970 --> 00:47:53.710 align:middle line:84% And then you take turns just being 00:47:53.710 --> 00:47:55.740 align:middle line:84% able to grab something from the middle 00:47:55.740 --> 00:47:58.620 align:middle line:84% and then replace that [INAUDIBLE]. 00:47:58.620 --> 00:48:01.140 align:middle line:84% So I feel like it makes it a lot more interesting, 00:48:01.140 --> 00:48:05.580 align:middle line:84% because it's much less predictable. 00:48:05.580 --> 00:48:08.460 align:middle line:84% At any point in the game, something amazing or something 00:48:08.460 --> 00:48:09.750 align:middle line:90% crappy could flip. 00:48:09.750 --> 00:48:12.280 align:middle line:84% Rather than you know that you will always be able to buy, 00:48:12.280 --> 00:48:15.930 align:middle line:84% until the pile runs out of a different kind 00:48:15.930 --> 00:48:18.466 align:middle line:90% of card or something like that. 00:48:18.466 --> 00:48:20.257 align:middle line:90% So that's something interesting. 00:48:20.257 --> 00:48:21.840 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: Anything else you guys want 00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:23.048 align:middle line:90% to say about the affordances? 00:48:23.048 --> 00:48:25.690 align:middle line:84% Like the rules or how the cards are laid out? 00:48:25.690 --> 00:48:28.800 align:middle line:84% Anything that you got out of that? 00:48:28.800 --> 00:48:31.000 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: I guess it's kind of a bigger game. 00:48:31.000 --> 00:48:34.390 align:middle line:84% So the rules were incredibly complicated at parts. 00:48:34.390 --> 00:48:36.396 align:middle line:84% But that being said, we did figure out, 00:48:36.396 --> 00:48:38.020 align:middle line:84% I had to ask him a couple of questions. 00:48:38.020 --> 00:48:40.937 align:middle line:84% But after that got settled, I think we all 00:48:40.937 --> 00:48:42.020 align:middle line:90% understood it pretty well. 00:48:42.020 --> 00:48:43.990 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: That one's a great example of look 00:48:43.990 --> 00:48:45.841 align:middle line:84% at all these rules, oh wait, the game's 00:48:45.841 --> 00:48:47.340 align:middle line:84% actually [INAUDIBLE] simple to play. 00:48:47.340 --> 00:48:48.884 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: Yeah, if we had someone 00:48:48.884 --> 00:48:50.300 align:middle line:84% who knew how to play sitting here, 00:48:50.300 --> 00:48:52.350 align:middle line:84% we could have probably started 10 minutes earlier. 00:48:52.350 --> 00:48:52.680 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: Could they have come up 00:48:52.680 --> 00:48:54.554 align:middle line:84% with a different way of writing those things, 00:48:54.554 --> 00:48:57.357 align:middle line:84% or laying them out, or presenting them in a way that 00:48:57.357 --> 00:48:58.440 align:middle line:90% might have helped you out? 00:48:58.440 --> 00:49:00.240 align:middle line:90% I don't know. 00:49:00.240 --> 00:49:00.970 align:middle line:90% I bet. 00:49:00.970 --> 00:49:04.246 align:middle line:90% 00:49:04.246 --> 00:49:05.740 align:middle line:84% Wait, [INAUDIBLE] question there? 00:49:05.740 --> 00:49:07.354 align:middle line:84% Oh, one of the questions for you guys, 00:49:07.354 --> 00:49:08.770 align:middle line:84% why do you think that was included 00:49:08.770 --> 00:49:11.130 align:middle line:84% in the list of these other games? 00:49:11.130 --> 00:49:13.630 align:middle line:84% What about that game is similar to some of these other games 00:49:13.630 --> 00:49:14.255 align:middle line:90% that you heard? 00:49:14.255 --> 00:49:17.692 align:middle line:90% 00:49:17.692 --> 00:49:20.020 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE] 00:49:20.020 --> 00:49:21.870 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: No, but that's an interesting-- 00:49:21.870 --> 00:49:22.830 align:middle line:90% I just noticed that coming out. 00:49:22.830 --> 00:49:24.496 align:middle line:84% That's why I wanted to talk about rules. 00:49:24.496 --> 00:49:25.020 align:middle line:90% That's all. 00:49:25.020 --> 00:49:28.275 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: Definitely the "luck versus skill" dynamic, 00:49:28.275 --> 00:49:31.830 align:middle line:84% I think, is pretty key in terms of, like you said, 00:49:31.830 --> 00:49:33.294 align:middle line:90% there's strings of luck. 00:49:33.294 --> 00:49:35.734 align:middle line:84% But I chose [INAUDIBLE] markets, right? 00:49:35.734 --> 00:49:37.686 align:middle line:84% So I was putting [INAUDIBLE] together, 00:49:37.686 --> 00:49:39.150 align:middle line:90% and that's definitely skill. 00:49:39.150 --> 00:49:42.005 align:middle line:84% So I think the mix is exactly [INAUDIBLE]. 00:49:42.005 --> 00:49:45.070 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: There's a depletion mechanic in that one, right? 00:49:45.070 --> 00:49:46.725 align:middle line:84% Did you read how you end the game? 00:49:46.725 --> 00:49:47.350 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: Yeah. 00:49:47.350 --> 00:49:49.264 align:middle line:84% So we did run out of market-- we never-- we 00:49:49.264 --> 00:49:49.635 align:middle line:90% didn't have time to finish. 00:49:49.635 --> 00:49:50.914 align:middle line:90% We did run out of market. 00:49:50.914 --> 00:49:51.580 align:middle line:90% PROFESSOR: Yeah. 00:49:51.580 --> 00:49:53.190 align:middle line:84% And I think it's once you run out 00:49:53.190 --> 00:49:55.764 align:middle line:84% of a couple of different kinds of cards, then it ends, right? 00:49:55.764 --> 00:50:01.550 align:middle line:84% AUDIENCE: Re-tile before the [INAUDIBLE] card. 00:50:01.550 --> 00:50:02.640 align:middle line:90% [INAUDIBLE] 00:50:02.640 --> 00:50:04.806 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: So you have to always have some kind of-- 00:50:04.806 --> 00:50:06.530 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE] 00:50:06.530 --> 00:50:08.000 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: No, [INAUDIBLE]. 00:50:08.000 --> 00:50:08.980 align:middle line:90% That's not true. 00:50:08.980 --> 00:50:10.075 align:middle line:90% That's [INAUDIBLE]. 00:50:10.075 --> 00:50:10.950 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: Oh, really? 00:50:10.950 --> 00:50:11.575 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: Yeah. 00:50:11.575 --> 00:50:13.584 align:middle line:90% 00:50:13.584 --> 00:50:15.000 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: So all these games have 00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:17.250 align:middle line:84% some kind of Solitaire-ness to them, 00:50:17.250 --> 00:50:19.260 align:middle line:84% where you can be playing on your own. 00:50:19.260 --> 00:50:22.020 align:middle line:84% But even if there's like a Solitaire-like work replacement 00:50:22.020 --> 00:50:23.850 align:middle line:84% style game, there's something that you're 00:50:23.850 --> 00:50:25.620 align:middle line:84% doing is interacting with the other player 00:50:25.620 --> 00:50:30.190 align:middle line:84% and preventing them from moving ahead. 00:50:30.190 --> 00:50:32.640 align:middle line:90% OK, so it is almost 3 o'clock. 00:50:32.640 --> 00:50:34.890 align:middle line:84% You can either continue playing your game 00:50:34.890 --> 00:50:38.760 align:middle line:84% or break into your teams and work on your projects. 00:50:38.760 --> 00:50:39.730 align:middle line:90% It's your choice. 00:50:39.730 --> 00:50:43.740 align:middle line:84% I'm going to go grab all the kits. 00:50:43.740 --> 00:50:45.858 align:middle line:84% We've got one person-- are you one a team? 00:50:45.858 --> 00:50:46.570 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: I'm not on a team. 00:50:46.570 --> 00:50:47.611 align:middle line:90% PROFESSOR: Not on a team. 00:50:47.611 --> 00:50:50.400 align:middle line:84% So we've got one person joined a team. 00:50:50.400 --> 00:50:52.386 align:middle line:90% We've got a three-person team? 00:50:52.386 --> 00:50:53.599 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE] 00:50:53.599 --> 00:50:55.890 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: For a two-player game or a four-player game? 00:50:55.890 --> 00:50:56.570 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: Two to four. 00:50:56.570 --> 00:50:57.528 align:middle line:90% PROFESSOR: Two to four? 00:50:57.528 --> 00:50:59.114 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE] 00:50:59.114 --> 00:51:00.949 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: OK, so I would recommend 00:51:00.949 --> 00:51:02.490 align:middle line:84% hang out with them for the last hour. 00:51:02.490 --> 00:51:04.070 align:middle line:84% And then maybe even scrounging around 00:51:04.070 --> 00:51:05.160 align:middle line:90% to find a team to go onto. 00:51:05.160 --> 00:51:08.607 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE] 00:51:08.607 --> 00:51:09.565 align:middle line:90% PROFESSOR: What's that? 00:51:09.565 --> 00:51:12.270 align:middle line:84% The other teams are four-two people? 00:51:12.270 --> 00:51:13.603 align:middle line:90% You can have a five-person team. 00:51:13.603 --> 00:51:14.490 align:middle line:90% AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE] 00:51:14.490 --> 00:51:19.755 align:middle line:84% PROFESSOR: [INAUDIBLE] check out what [INAUDIBLE] Yeah. 00:51:19.755 --> 00:51:23.732 align:middle line:84% Yeah, not requiring you to be [INAUDIBLE]. 00:51:23.732 --> 00:51:26.285 align:middle line:90%