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TAFT BROOME: What I have in
mind for today is mainly,

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believe it or not, to go through
some vocabulary strengthening.

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We've gotten to
a point now where

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I think the rest of
the semester is going

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to be much on what
you all want to do,

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but next week is
narrative ethics.

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But so I'd like to make
sure we are getting

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a good vocabulary built up.

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And there'll be time
for anything else.

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I brought this in here
in case I need it.

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It's like a-- what
do you call it?

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The coaches have these
blankets, security blankets,

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like a security blanket.

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But I don't intend to use it.

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But if something comes up, then
I've got my security blanket.

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But I'd like to go
through some definitions.

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OK, now, first of
all, I'd like to talk

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about some kinds of definitions,
some kinds of definitions

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of words.

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One is called plain language.

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And the opposite-- not the
opposite, but the contrast,

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contrasting term is term of art.

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So we could use the
word, for example,

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stress in plain language.

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I got stressed out.

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We can use the term stress
in at least two terms of art.

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One is if you are a physician
stress has a specific meaning.

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Next, if you are
a civil engineer,

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stress has a specific meaning.

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And specific, those
are terms of art, OK?

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Now, in engineering--
and I would

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think that the same is true
in medicine and the same

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is true in law that when
you encounter a term of art,

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there is a standard meaning.

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So if you're a lawyer or
if you're not a lawyer--

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believe it or not, I've got a
copy of Black's Law Dictionary

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that thick.

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I can read it, OK?

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Now, some of the terms
are tedious because they

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cross-reference a whole
lot of other terms.

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And when I say tedious, it
becomes too tedious for me

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to get through.

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But I would say that, of the
terms that I've looked up

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in there-- and I don't know
how many terms I've looked up

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in there, may be 30
over the years, I guess,

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but just thumbing
through it, too--

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a lot I can learn
because in Black's, they

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give examples of the usage.

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And I don't think that having--

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it's an interesting
thing about learning.

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I don't think that having
understood those terms

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that I could use them properly.

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But I had to do this when I
was chair of the Faculty Senate

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at Howard [? Hasley ?]
Law School.

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And the lawyers and the
political scientists

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can use their specialty
skills in a faculty meeting.

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The engineers come in
there with no skills.

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So it was helpful
to at least learn

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that there's some differences.

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I also had an
experience once where

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I was in a meeting
and somebody asked me

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to define engineering ethics.

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So I defined it.

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And this person was a physician.

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And she looked in this book,
this encyclopedia of ethics,

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found engineering ethics, and
it said something different,

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said, hold it, something
different, term of art.

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And it just so happened
that she looked

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in the particular
encyclopedia of ethics

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where I wrote the
engineering ethics citation.

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AUDIENCE: You had written the
definition that she looked up?

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TAFT BROOME: Yeah.

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AUDIENCE: But you told
her something different?

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TAFT BROOME: But I told
her something different.

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And then she saw
my name down there.

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And she says, what's
going on here?

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I said, well, when you go
to some other disciplines,

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like philosophy, a term of
art has a definition that's

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usually located in a
particular scholar,

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like Plato or Aristotle.

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And that when you write a paper,
you reference two or three

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usages by certain
scholars, and then you

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tell people how you are going
to use it in that context today.

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An engineer doesn't do that
with the word stress, OK?

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All right.

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So what I'm going to do--

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what I'm going what
I'm going to do

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is to conduct a
class where we're

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going to experience
all three levels

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and we just have to be clear on
which ones we're talking about.

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So when it comes
to certain things,

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I feel authorized to
give a definition,

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just like anybody else.

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You look in the
Encyclopedia of Philosophy,

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you'll find something else, OK?

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I've got to justify my usage.

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You've got to decide which
one you're going to use.

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My experience tells me
that, over time, you'll

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be doing the same thing.

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OK, so you just have to have one
that's defensible in the end.

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So we'll mix them up.

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AUDIENCE: When you say all
three levels, what do you mean?

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TAFT BROOME: One level
is plain language.

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One level is
standardized term of art.

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And the other one is--

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I don't have a name for it.

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AUDIENCE: But it's what you're
talking about in the example?

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TAFT BROOME: The last example.

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AUDIENCE: Both
definition [INAUDIBLE]..

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TAFT BROOME: That you can--
in other words, an individual,

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justifiable--
individually justifiable.

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AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]

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TAFT BROOME: So you
give a name to it.

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Maybe you can find
a name for it.

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I haven't got it yet.

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So if a philosopher is talking,
it's legitimate to say, well,

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what do you mean
by the word ethics?

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And chances are the
philosopher will not

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give you a dictionary or
an encyclopedia definition.

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Chances are, they will
reference what some scholar said

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or how some scholar
used it in certain works

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and say that I will use
it much the same way,

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but change it a little bit.

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They'll have to
change it a little bit

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because most of those scholars
lived 2,000 years ago, to make

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it apply to today at the--

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All right, not only that,
but they're translations.

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OK, so let's go
through some of that.

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Let's see.

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Do I have--

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I do.

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I've got an airport card.

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But for some reason
or another, I

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have not been able to get it
to work in here in this room.

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AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]

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TAFT BROOME: Yeah.

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AUDIENCE: I have my
computer [INAUDIBLE]

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wireless if you want me
to look something up.

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TAFT BROOME: Yeah, why
don't you get it out

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and whenever we want to, we
can just look something up?

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We can-- I think the best
one for the terms we're going

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to look at is--

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how do you pronounce it--

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Wikipedia.

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AUDIENCE: Yeah, that's
how you pronounce it.

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TAFT BROOME: Yeah.

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OK, let me erase this board.

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And let's go through
a couple of them.

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You bring up some.

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You can bring up some that
you want to ask me about,

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bring up some that
you want to say tell.

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It's good practice.

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AUDIENCE: What category of
words are we talking about here?

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TAFT BROOME: Words that we've
used, terms of art, words

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that we've used in this class.

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AUDIENCE: OK.

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TAFT BROOME: Words you
think that if you're

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talking to anybody
about engineering ethics

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may come up in the
conversation and you would

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want to know what they mean.

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AUDIENCE: So one word that
you used in the last press

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was accountability [INAUDIBLE].

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And I think accountability
is an interesting word that

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gets used a lot [INAUDIBLE].

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TAFT BROOME: Well,
let's do it now.

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Let's go back over it.

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I will give you the
term as I understood it

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in my military experience.

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And the term goes
with two other terms.

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Responsibility, authority,
and accountability,

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they all go together, OK?

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All right.

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AUDIENCE: Yeah, so it'd be
interesting to talk about.

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Because in the
military terms, it

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sounded like accountability
is the requirement

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to be able to
explain a situation.

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TAFT BROOME: Yes, with facts.

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AUDIENCE: But I feel like,
in ethics writing and ethics

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literature, the word
accountability [INAUDIBLE]..

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But I don't know.

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That's [INAUDIBLE].

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TAFT BROOME: Right,
you don't hear

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a whole lot of that
word used unless they're

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using it like a person
in a case would use it.

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But no, it's not
used a whole lot.

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But I think that it's
the importance of it

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is to distinguish accountability
from responsibility.

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AUDIENCE: And
responsibility is used.

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TAFT BROOME: Is used.

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And that is you are answerable
and sanctionable for some event

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or for something or something.

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And in order to answer,
you have to have authority.

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So you have to have power.

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And power is given to
the person in order

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to carry out one's
responsibility.

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You're not given any more
and you're really not

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given any less,
given what somebody

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above you in authority--
in the chain of command

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thinks that is what you need to
carry out your responsibility,

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all right?

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So one very important thing
about all of that in life,

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professional life, is that
you can delegate authority.

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The bigger the organization,
the higher up you are in it,

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the only way you can operate
is to delegate authority.

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If you look at the charter, the
charters of some universities--

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and I've looked at some--

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the trustees have all of this
authority that they cannot

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possibly use, right?

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If you look at the original
versions of the charters that

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go back into the
19th century, they

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will give the
trustees the authority

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to prescribe
textbooks for classes.

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Now, you know, even
in the last century,

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trustees couldn't do that.

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They had to delegate
the authority, too.

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But what the trustee cannot do
is delegate the responsibility

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because if the students
aren't taught and the charter,

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which is a contract between
the organization and society--

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if the charter says that
you have to teach students

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and if the higher body-- that
is, the legal body of-- no, not

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legal, let's call it the
body politic of society

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says that it's going to
sanction somebody for that,

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then you're the
one, not the others.

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OK, and accountability,
the judge

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is going to say, well look,
before we get started,

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let's put some
facts on the table.

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Who should know the facts, OK?

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And that's accountability.

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So you see how these
issues can come up.

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When they do come up, they come
up in what is a term of art

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now, sensational cases,
[INAUDIBLE],, all of them, OK?

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AUDIENCE: Now,
responsibility and ethics,

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OK, so in the
military, it's used

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to say you're sanctionable
for [INAUDIBLE]..

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But I feel like I've read
that in ethical cases,

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I've read the word
responsibility

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and it implies the
requirement to take action,

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like so and so has the
responsibility to do this.

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But is that a
correct usage of it?

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Or in ethics,
should it also just

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mean answerable [INAUDIBLE].

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TAFT BROOME: I
also use the word--

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[INTERPOSING VOICES]

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AUDIENCE: --passive.

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[INTERPOSING VOICES]

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AUDIENCE: --what I'm asking.

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Is it an active word
or only passive.

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TAFT BROOME: I see
what you're saying.

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I use the word event also,
which means action, all right?

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So yeah, it's proactive.

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But well, I can't--

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I'm trying to think now.

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Can I think of
something passive?

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Can I say I am
responsible to prevent?

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AUDIENCE: Maybe the
veteran is obligated,

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like you're morally
obligated to do something,

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and then you have a
moral responsibility.

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Maybe the responsibility is
[INAUDIBLE] after the fact.

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TAFT BROOME: Now, you're
getting into an ethical--

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or a term of art in ethics
because Immanuel Kant

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had some specific definitions
for duty and obligation, OK?

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So if you substitute the
word duty for obligation,

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then you get a term
of art in ethics.

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And as a matter of
fact, many people

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call Kant's ethics
duty ethics, OK?

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Duty ethics.

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And that's a very powerful
word in some cultures

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because your duty--

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your duty not only has
military connotations

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that are passed on in
business, but it also

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has moral connotations that
come from Immanuel Kant, OK?

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So put an asterisk beside that.

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Do some reading on that, please.

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A simple definition is not
going to be good enough.

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But Kant's ethics are
often called duty ethics.

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And as you know, his
style is to state

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the categorical imperative
in more than one way.

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He says they mean
the same thing,

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they're just different
statements of the same thing.

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But if they were the same thing,
why state them differently?

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So there are some connotations
that's different in them.

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You have to read a
little bit about that.

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They also have another--

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excuse me-- a political--

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on my honor, I'll do my duty.

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AUDIENCE: Yeah, duty--

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I like that you brought up
culture's perspective on duty.

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I would say the word
duty [INAUDIBLE]..

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TAFT BROOME: That's
a good point.

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Since the '60s, it has been.

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I don't know if
that's going to pass.

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But up until the '60s, people
would say you have a duty.

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And someone would stand back
and say, yes, I have a duty.

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And in the '60s, that
was an adverse term.

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Well, part of the '60s
was anti-Vietnam and part

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of that was anti-war in general.

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And a lot of that
was anti-military.

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I wore my military uniform
in Georgetown on a Saturday

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night in the '60s just
to see what would happen.

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And it was crowded.

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And all of the anti--

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all of the anti-war
people were there.

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And I walked three blocks.

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And I remember the number six.

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I was invited to six
fisticuffs just on account.

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Notice the word I was invited.

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I did not accept the invitation,
nor was the invitation

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foisted on me.

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Nobody took the first punch.

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But yeah, it came to that.

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I just wanted to see.

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I mean, I just wanted to see
what would really happen.

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And I was an objection.

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I objected to the war
when I was in the army.

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I had a talk with my commander.

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My commander said, do you
plan to object to the war

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when you're in uniform?

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I said no.

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He said do you plan to object
to the war when you're on duty?

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I said no.

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He said, well what you do
with your other time is

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none of my business.

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So I did not object
to the military.

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And I did not object to war.

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I thought that there was such
a thing as a defensive war.

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But I just wanted to see
what would happen then.

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And that's what happened.

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So the word duty did
fall in disfavor,

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I think, for many of
those reasons in the '60s.

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And as long as my
generation is around,

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it will probably have
those connotations.

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But we're going out
of the system now.

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And I suspect that
duty will return

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and have its original force
here in the United States.

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What about ethics?

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What's between
ethics and morals?

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Did I ever cover that?

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AUDIENCE: I don't think so.

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[INAUDIBLE]

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TAFT BROOME: OK, well, let's
deal with ethics and morals

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because I'll tell you this
one thing that's for sure.

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And that is that if you ever
start talking about engineering

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ethics and there's anybody in
there who's not a philosopher,

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somebody is going
to say, hold up,

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what's the difference
between ethics and morals?

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And they're going to
say it because they

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will have different responses
to your calling them unethical

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as opposed to immoral.

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And they want to set this up
right at the beginning, OK?

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And so I've had experiences.

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And I'll tell you an
experience that tends to work.

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And that is to say, well,
let's start with a word

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called etymology.

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And that's the study of
the origins of words, OK?

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And now, here's the story.

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There's a piece of it-- and
I'm not sure what it is--

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that's anecdotal,
but I'd like to see

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if you can work
this out and give me

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a cogent etymological answer.

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It seems as though Aristotle had
to his advantage the Greek word

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ethos.

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We still use that
word, all right?

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And depending on who's
translating the word,

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it might have slightly
different meanings

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because this word seems to
give translators into English

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a little bit of a problem.

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Let me pause there for a second.

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No, I'll come back.

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I'll come back.

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And ethos had all
of these meanings

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about what people thought
were behaviors and values that

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were used in a particular
community, so this community.

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And we're talking
about city-states now.

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We're actually going
to talk before nations.

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So when you talk
about a community,

00:24:47.430 --> 00:24:49.097 align:middle line:84%
you're talking about
a city-state, which

00:24:49.097 --> 00:24:52.200 align:middle line:84%
was their equivalent to a
nation because city-states would

00:24:52.200 --> 00:24:53.370 align:middle line:90%
go to war with one another.

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If you don't believe it,
look at Athens and Sparta.

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AUDIENCE: But there are much
more [INAUDIBLE] people,

00:24:59.779 --> 00:25:02.214 align:middle line:84%
I mean, populations
[INAUDIBLE] city-states.

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TAFT BROOME: Are you
saying that there

00:25:07.260 --> 00:25:09.000 align:middle line:90%
weren't a whole lot of riots?

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AUDIENCE: No, I'm just saying--

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TAFT BROOME: They're smaller?

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AUDIENCE: The theory about
the governance of city-states

00:25:16.170 --> 00:25:18.100 align:middle line:84%
is not easily
applied to a nation.

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TAFT BROOME: Oh, right, right.

00:25:19.350 --> 00:25:21.005 align:middle line:90%
Oh yeah, OK, right.

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AUDIENCE: So you said they
were similar to nations.

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TAFT BROOME: No, they weren't.

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No, no, no, they weren't.

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But no, OK?

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It was the best thing
they had to a nation then.

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AUDIENCE: Right, right.

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TAFT BROOME: All
right, is that right?

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In Greece, that was right.

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It wasn't right in Egypt.

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AUDIENCE: In Egypt, that's true.

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There were no city-states.

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TAFT BROOME: They had empires.

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Yeah, OK, so you're
talking about ethos.

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And Aristotle wanted to talk
about the study of ethos

00:26:01.470 --> 00:26:04.590 align:middle line:84%
to determine good and
bad, right and wrong.

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And he didn't have
a word for it.

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So he came up with
this word, ethicos.

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And that were
finally gets itself

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into the English
language as ethics, OK?

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AUDIENCE: Wait, so what does
ethos mean to Aristotle?

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TAFT BROOME: The
habits and values

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that people had in a
particular community.

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AUDIENCE: And then ethicos
was the study of those ethos?

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TAFT BROOME: The
rational study of it.

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So the way I look
at the difference

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is that the first
one is empirical

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and the second one is rational.

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That's the way I look at it.

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I don't if I could
defend it, but that's

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the way I look at it,
that the second one really

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is analyzing the first
one, talking about it, OK?

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So all of this is
in Greek, is Greek.

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Cicero, who was a
Roman, comes along.

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And he was a Roman.

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He was a Roman.

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They called him an orator,
but he was a lawyer.

00:27:38.500 --> 00:27:42.120 align:middle line:84%
He was trained in
Greek philosophy.

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He left Rome when he was young.

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His father sent him over
there to one of the academies.

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I think it was
Aristotle's academy that

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was still alive in those days.

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And he studied over there.

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And he translated some words.

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There was already an
equivalent in Latin for ethos.

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It was mores.

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We still use that word--

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ways, and mores,
and all of that.

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We might take a pause in a few
minutes to get on Wikipedia

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and see some of what they say.

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And when he got to ethicos,
there was no Latin equivalent.

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So my sources are
not unimpeachable,

00:28:44.860 --> 00:28:46.960 align:middle line:84%
but it seems to--
but it seems that--

00:28:46.960 --> 00:28:48.250 align:middle line:90%
but I've got sources.

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I've got references that
say that Cicero came up

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with this word, morales as the
Latin equivalent of ethicos.

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And that works its way into
the English language as morals.

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Now, let's talk about usage
in the English language,

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some usages, OK?

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There is a branch of philosophy,
a major division of philosophy

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called ethics.

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There is an equivalent term
for ethics, moral philosophy.

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It's improper to say
ethical philosophy.

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A great deal of work
in the area of ethics,

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as you know because
we covered it earlier,

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was done by theologians.

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Not just Christian theologians,
but obviously all theologians

00:30:31.850 --> 00:30:34.350 align:middle line:84%
deal with ethics in
one way or another.

00:30:34.350 --> 00:30:38.630 align:middle line:84%
In the Western world, it
was done in-- guess what--

00:30:38.630 --> 00:30:41.370 align:middle line:90%
Latin.

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Now, some great scholars
refer to Greek writings, too.

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But there were
periods, long periods,

00:30:53.440 --> 00:30:57.970 align:middle line:84%
when Christianity was
hostile to Greek learning.

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So what happens when somebody
says that you are immoral

00:31:06.650 --> 00:31:08.870 align:middle line:84%
is that they are
probably talking

00:31:08.870 --> 00:31:14.075 align:middle line:84%
about the Latin treatment
in the context of religion.

00:31:14.075 --> 00:31:18.780 align:middle line:90%


00:31:18.780 --> 00:31:21.660 align:middle line:90%
That's bad, all right?

00:31:21.660 --> 00:31:25.680 align:middle line:84%
There is such a thing
called professional--

00:31:25.680 --> 00:31:28.740 align:middle line:84%
there's a term called
professional ethics, as you

00:31:28.740 --> 00:31:31.380 align:middle line:90%
know, a term of art.

00:31:31.380 --> 00:31:37.160 align:middle line:84%
And engineering ethics
includes professional ethics.

00:31:37.160 --> 00:31:38.990 align:middle line:84%
When they talk about
professional ethics,

00:31:38.990 --> 00:31:41.240 align:middle line:90%
they're usually talking about--

00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:45.110 align:middle line:84%
or in the main, they're
talking about codes of ethics

00:31:45.110 --> 00:31:47.720 align:middle line:90%
and the discussions that--

00:31:47.720 --> 00:31:50.840 align:middle line:84%
and ethical discussions
around codes of ethics

00:31:50.840 --> 00:31:54.460 align:middle line:90%
to include cases, all right?

00:31:54.460 --> 00:31:59.680 align:middle line:84%
But there is a term called
professional ethics.

00:31:59.680 --> 00:32:02.950 align:middle line:84%
But there is no term
called professional morals.

00:32:02.950 --> 00:32:05.266 align:middle line:90%


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AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]

00:32:06.690 --> 00:32:07.960 align:middle line:90%
TAFT BROOME: Right.

00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:12.130 align:middle line:84%
So when somebody says you're
unethical, what that means

00:32:12.130 --> 00:32:14.560 align:middle line:90%
is that--

00:32:14.560 --> 00:32:19.000 align:middle line:84%
this one is an assault on your
character in terms of religion.

00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:21.460 align:middle line:84%
This one is an assault
on your behavior in terms

00:32:21.460 --> 00:32:23.080 align:middle line:90%
of your working environment.

00:32:23.080 --> 00:32:29.760 align:middle line:90%


00:32:29.760 --> 00:32:32.380 align:middle line:84%
All right, so all of this
has to do with usage.

00:32:32.380 --> 00:32:33.850 align:middle line:90%
How does a word get its meaning?

00:32:33.850 --> 00:32:35.710 align:middle line:84%
Just simply by people
using it a certain way

00:32:35.710 --> 00:32:37.345 align:middle line:90%
and not using it another way.

00:32:37.345 --> 00:32:40.220 align:middle line:84%
It's got nothing
to do with logic.

00:32:40.220 --> 00:32:44.690 align:middle line:84%
It's entirely
empirical, all right?

00:32:44.690 --> 00:32:54.720 align:middle line:90%


00:32:54.720 --> 00:32:58.600 align:middle line:84%
OK, so if you are in
some kind of a meeting,

00:32:58.600 --> 00:33:06.040 align:middle line:84%
let's say you're on
some kind of committee,

00:33:06.040 --> 00:33:09.340 align:middle line:84%
and you have to deal with an
issue like this, let's say--

00:33:09.340 --> 00:33:17.430 align:middle line:84%
I don't know-- the PTA and some
students got caught cheating,

00:33:17.430 --> 00:33:19.860 align:middle line:90%
the principal sets up a--

00:33:19.860 --> 00:33:23.010 align:middle line:84%
the president of the PTA
sets up an ethics committee.

00:33:23.010 --> 00:33:25.500 align:middle line:84%
And they say, oh, you
studied ethics in college.

00:33:25.500 --> 00:33:27.810 align:middle line:84%
You be the chair
of the committee.

00:33:27.810 --> 00:33:30.228 align:middle line:84%
Well, you've got 500 people
sitting in the audience.

00:33:30.228 --> 00:33:31.770 align:middle line:84%
And the first thing
they want to know

00:33:31.770 --> 00:33:34.710 align:middle line:84%
is, what's the difference
between ethics and morals,

00:33:34.710 --> 00:33:36.450 align:middle line:90%
all right?

00:33:36.450 --> 00:33:47.050 align:middle line:84%
Today in philosophy, or
among philosophers, they--

00:33:47.050 --> 00:33:50.140 align:middle line:84%
and this is a popular
thing, but no one philosophy

00:33:50.140 --> 00:33:51.980 align:middle line:90%
is constrained to do it.

00:33:51.980 --> 00:33:58.740 align:middle line:84%
But it's most popular to talk
about morals very much like we

00:33:58.740 --> 00:34:00.720 align:middle line:90%
talk about mores.

00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:04.640 align:middle line:84%
What do people say
is good and right?

00:34:04.640 --> 00:34:06.530 align:middle line:84%
What do they say
is bad and wrong?

00:34:06.530 --> 00:34:08.360 align:middle line:90%
AUDIENCE: So it's just the norm.

00:34:08.360 --> 00:34:10.338 align:middle line:84%
TAFT BROOME: Like
normative, yeah, right.

00:34:10.338 --> 00:34:11.880 align:middle line:84%
Now, I'm going to
get into something,

00:34:11.880 --> 00:34:14.330 align:middle line:84%
so let's not get confused
with normative ethics.

00:34:14.330 --> 00:34:15.050 align:middle line:90%
AUDIENCE: OK.

00:34:15.050 --> 00:34:18.320 align:middle line:84%
TAFT BROOME: All
right, all right.

00:34:18.320 --> 00:34:21.500 align:middle line:84%
And I'll tell you one
problem I had with this word

00:34:21.500 --> 00:34:26.219 align:middle line:84%
normative-- the word normative
when I first heard it.

00:34:26.219 --> 00:34:27.120 align:middle line:90%
And that was normal.

00:34:27.120 --> 00:34:29.886 align:middle line:90%


00:34:29.886 --> 00:34:31.951 align:middle line:84%
AUDIENCE: Normative
ethics [INAUDIBLE]..

00:34:31.951 --> 00:34:33.159 align:middle line:90%
I don't know what [INAUDIBLE]

00:34:33.159 --> 00:34:34.449 align:middle line:90%
TAFT BROOME: I'll come back.

00:34:34.449 --> 00:34:36.554 align:middle line:84%
Yeah, let's go-- I'll
come back to that.

00:34:36.554 --> 00:34:37.929 align:middle line:84%
All right, remind
me to come back

00:34:37.929 --> 00:34:40.000 align:middle line:90%
if I don't very soon, all right?

00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:40.960 align:middle line:90%
So what was I saying?

00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:44.278 align:middle line:84%
AUDIENCE: Morals are used to
talk about what people say.

00:34:44.278 --> 00:34:45.070 align:middle line:90%
TAFT BROOME: Right.

00:34:45.070 --> 00:34:52.179 align:middle line:84%
Today in philosophy, morals have
to do with all of those issues.

00:34:52.179 --> 00:34:57.130 align:middle line:84%
And ethics has to do with the
systematic study of them, OK?

00:34:57.130 --> 00:35:09.940 align:middle line:84%
So that is if a person
wants to use the difference.

00:35:09.940 --> 00:35:13.400 align:middle line:84%
If you get a research
paper, you may find

00:35:13.400 --> 00:35:15.138 align:middle line:90%
something altogether different.

00:35:15.138 --> 00:35:17.180 align:middle line:84%
The good news is if they
use something different,

00:35:17.180 --> 00:35:19.340 align:middle line:90%
they'll say it.

00:35:19.340 --> 00:35:23.090 align:middle line:84%
They'll tell you exactly
what their meanings are.

00:35:23.090 --> 00:35:26.990 align:middle line:84%
So if you look up
a journal, ethics.

00:35:26.990 --> 00:35:37.430 align:middle line:84%
OK, now, let's talk
about when I use the word

00:35:37.430 --> 00:35:41.270 align:middle line:84%
ethics, unless it's
clear about the context

00:35:41.270 --> 00:35:44.150 align:middle line:84%
or unless you ask
me, I am talking

00:35:44.150 --> 00:35:47.510 align:middle line:84%
about a branch of
philosophy called ethics.

00:35:47.510 --> 00:35:50.940 align:middle line:84%
And I could very well be
talking about moral philosophy.

00:35:50.940 --> 00:35:52.680 align:middle line:84%
This course is called
engineering ethics,

00:35:52.680 --> 00:35:56.520 align:middle line:84%
so I would choose more
to use ethics, OK?

00:35:56.520 --> 00:35:59.070 align:middle line:90%
But they mean the same thing.

00:35:59.070 --> 00:36:06.750 align:middle line:84%
Now, philosophy, depending
on who you're talking to,

00:36:06.750 --> 00:36:08.507 align:middle line:90%
has three--

00:36:08.507 --> 00:36:10.090 align:middle line:84%
or depending on who
you're talking to,

00:36:10.090 --> 00:36:14.430 align:middle line:84%
may have four major divisions,
big divisions of philosophy.

00:36:14.430 --> 00:36:16.650 align:middle line:90%
And then we'll talk about--

00:36:16.650 --> 00:36:18.000 align:middle line:90%
and here's the way it goes.

00:36:18.000 --> 00:36:23.040 align:middle line:90%


00:36:23.040 --> 00:36:24.940 align:middle line:90%
I want to keep this down.

00:36:24.940 --> 00:36:27.150 align:middle line:84%
I want to keep that on
the board over there.

00:36:27.150 --> 00:36:29.190 align:middle line:90%
We can't see this.

00:36:29.190 --> 00:36:32.520 align:middle line:90%
So what am I going to do?

00:36:32.520 --> 00:36:33.540 align:middle line:90%
I'll erase this.

00:36:33.540 --> 00:36:35.025 align:middle line:90%
AUDIENCE: That's fine.

00:36:35.025 --> 00:36:36.015 align:middle line:90%
[INAUDIBLE]

00:36:36.015 --> 00:36:56.310 align:middle line:90%


00:36:56.310 --> 00:36:58.080 align:middle line:90%
TAFT BROOME: OK, philosophy.

00:36:58.080 --> 00:37:06.610 align:middle line:90%


00:37:06.610 --> 00:37:12.120 align:middle line:84%
All right, now, one of
your great divisions--

00:37:12.120 --> 00:37:15.566 align:middle line:84%
and I think I gave a
short lecture on this--

00:37:15.566 --> 00:37:17.360 align:middle line:90%
is called metaphysics.

00:37:17.360 --> 00:37:23.800 align:middle line:90%


00:37:23.800 --> 00:37:29.500 align:middle line:84%
and metaphysics is about
saying what a thing is

00:37:29.500 --> 00:37:32.890 align:middle line:90%
and what sort of thing it is.

00:37:32.890 --> 00:37:35.380 align:middle line:84%
It talks about the
rational world as opposed

00:37:35.380 --> 00:37:41.170 align:middle line:84%
to the real world and
the real world as opposed

00:37:41.170 --> 00:37:45.340 align:middle line:84%
to the hyperreal
world or hyperspace.

00:37:45.340 --> 00:37:48.460 align:middle line:84%
OK, when you talk about all
of those kinds of discussions,

00:37:48.460 --> 00:37:50.110 align:middle line:84%
you're in the realm
of metaphysics.

00:37:50.110 --> 00:37:54.780 align:middle line:90%


00:37:54.780 --> 00:37:58.860 align:middle line:84%
OK, the next one
is epistemology.

00:37:58.860 --> 00:38:14.790 align:middle line:90%


00:38:14.790 --> 00:38:19.650 align:middle line:84%
And epistemology has another
name, theory of knowledge.

00:38:19.650 --> 00:38:26.750 align:middle line:90%


00:38:26.750 --> 00:38:29.090 align:middle line:84%
What do you know and
how do you know it?

00:38:29.090 --> 00:38:32.562 align:middle line:90%


00:38:32.562 --> 00:38:33.420 align:middle line:90%
All right?

00:38:33.420 --> 00:38:40.850 align:middle line:90%


00:38:40.850 --> 00:38:48.245 align:middle line:90%
The next one is called axiology.

00:38:48.245 --> 00:38:53.830 align:middle line:90%


00:38:53.830 --> 00:38:55.750 align:middle line:84%
And the best way
to define axiology

00:38:55.750 --> 00:38:59.770 align:middle line:84%
is to say that is a word
that has two referents.

00:38:59.770 --> 00:39:03.880 align:middle line:84%
One of the words is ethics and
the other one is aesthetics.

00:39:03.880 --> 00:39:18.270 align:middle line:90%


00:39:18.270 --> 00:39:29.020 align:middle line:84%
OK, so when we steady
ethics, I think

00:39:29.020 --> 00:39:34.090 align:middle line:84%
that it's fair to say that
we are discussing a very

00:39:34.090 --> 00:39:37.720 align:middle line:90%
large division of philosophy.

00:39:37.720 --> 00:39:41.630 align:middle line:90%


00:39:41.630 --> 00:39:52.615 align:middle line:84%
Now, I am going to put in
dotted lines, another division.

00:39:52.615 --> 00:39:57.520 align:middle line:90%


00:39:57.520 --> 00:40:06.450 align:middle line:84%
And this dotted line
is not so much debated

00:40:06.450 --> 00:40:09.540 align:middle line:84%
as it is that when
you start looking

00:40:09.540 --> 00:40:12.870 align:middle line:84%
at all the various areas
of philosophy, some of them

00:40:12.870 --> 00:40:15.590 align:middle line:90%
don't fit into these categories.

00:40:15.590 --> 00:40:22.650 align:middle line:84%
Now, you can imagine, most of
them fit somewhere overlapping.

00:40:22.650 --> 00:40:26.255 align:middle line:84%
None of them-- very few of
them fit directly under.

00:40:26.255 --> 00:40:28.380 align:middle line:84%
You're not going to get an
organizational chart out

00:40:28.380 --> 00:40:28.880 align:middle line:90%
of this.

00:40:28.880 --> 00:40:34.480 align:middle line:84%
You're going to get a
Venn diagram, all right?

00:40:34.480 --> 00:40:37.870 align:middle line:84%
But there's another one over
there that deserves a name.

00:40:37.870 --> 00:40:40.400 align:middle line:90%


00:40:40.400 --> 00:40:42.880 align:middle line:90%
Some people have proposed names.

00:40:42.880 --> 00:40:46.190 align:middle line:90%
Nobody likes them.

00:40:46.190 --> 00:40:50.660 align:middle line:84%
Oh, but I will give you
a name that you can use

00:40:50.660 --> 00:40:54.650 align:middle line:84%
and everybody will know
what you're talking about.

00:40:54.650 --> 00:40:57.470 align:middle line:84%
They will argue with
about using this word,

00:40:57.470 --> 00:41:00.830 align:middle line:84%
but they won't have
another word, OK?

00:41:00.830 --> 00:41:06.033 align:middle line:90%


00:41:06.033 --> 00:41:07.785 align:middle line:84%
I want you to know
that word, praxis.

00:41:07.785 --> 00:41:11.550 align:middle line:90%


00:41:11.550 --> 00:41:17.110 align:middle line:84%
Now, I'll tell you
what praxis means,

00:41:17.110 --> 00:41:21.690 align:middle line:84%
why it's an unpopular
term in the United States

00:41:21.690 --> 00:41:24.720 align:middle line:84%
and some of the
other areas under it.

00:41:24.720 --> 00:41:30.298 align:middle line:90%


00:41:30.298 --> 00:41:34.830 align:middle line:90%
Praxis is a word that was--

00:41:34.830 --> 00:41:40.680 align:middle line:84%
I don't think Karl
Marx invented the word,

00:41:40.680 --> 00:41:41.730 align:middle line:90%
but he popularized it.

00:41:41.730 --> 00:41:52.870 align:middle line:90%


00:41:52.870 --> 00:42:00.610 align:middle line:84%
So you see that if you
use the word praxis,

00:42:00.610 --> 00:42:14.190 align:middle line:84%
then somebody who really has an
emotional aversion to communism

00:42:14.190 --> 00:42:18.270 align:middle line:84%
is going to ask you
if you're a communist.

00:42:18.270 --> 00:42:21.270 align:middle line:90%
I use the word frequently.

00:42:21.270 --> 00:42:24.460 align:middle line:90%


00:42:24.460 --> 00:42:25.450 align:middle line:90%
They don't like it.

00:42:25.450 --> 00:42:26.992 align:middle line:84%
OK, let me give you
some other words.

00:42:26.992 --> 00:42:30.580 align:middle line:84%
There is a branch of
philosophy called--

00:42:30.580 --> 00:42:35.830 align:middle line:90%


00:42:35.830 --> 00:42:39.790 align:middle line:90%
and you could use it eology.

00:42:39.790 --> 00:42:45.952 align:middle line:84%
And you can use it
iology, praxiology.

00:42:45.952 --> 00:42:47.785 align:middle line:84%
Now, but first let me
say what praxis means.

00:42:47.785 --> 00:42:50.780 align:middle line:90%


00:42:50.780 --> 00:43:06.990 align:middle line:84%
Praxis means the
theory about the theory

00:43:06.990 --> 00:43:08.505 align:middle line:90%
that just precedes action.

00:43:08.505 --> 00:43:15.592 align:middle line:90%


00:43:15.592 --> 00:43:19.800 align:middle line:84%
In other words, you've
got an abstract concept,

00:43:19.800 --> 00:43:25.200 align:middle line:90%
like Newton's second law, OK?

00:43:25.200 --> 00:43:29.145 align:middle line:84%
You've got an airplane that has
lost its propulsion, its power,

00:43:29.145 --> 00:43:31.680 align:middle line:84%
and is getting ready
to fall out of the sky.

00:43:31.680 --> 00:43:36.540 align:middle line:84%
And you want to figure out
how long it's going to take.

00:43:36.540 --> 00:43:39.750 align:middle line:84%
The argument is that you don't
go directly-- the mind does not

00:43:39.750 --> 00:43:41.640 align:middle line:84%
go directly from
the abstract theory

00:43:41.640 --> 00:43:42.870 align:middle line:90%
to the practical application.

00:43:42.870 --> 00:43:44.400 align:middle line:90%
Something happens in the middle.

00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:47.440 align:middle line:90%


00:43:47.440 --> 00:43:50.260 align:middle line:84%
AUDIENCE: I've heard it
defined as theory into action.

00:43:50.260 --> 00:43:51.730 align:middle line:90%
TAFT BROOME: Theory into action.

00:43:51.730 --> 00:43:55.150 align:middle line:84%
I've never heard that term,
but I can use that, theory

00:43:55.150 --> 00:43:55.900 align:middle line:90%
into action.

00:43:55.900 --> 00:44:04.370 align:middle line:90%


00:44:04.370 --> 00:44:10.790 align:middle line:84%
Now, in philosophy,
there is a robust body--

00:44:10.790 --> 00:44:14.190 align:middle line:90%


00:44:14.190 --> 00:44:16.670 align:middle line:84%
or a robust category
of philosophy

00:44:16.670 --> 00:44:21.420 align:middle line:84%
called action theory
or theory of action.

00:44:21.420 --> 00:44:24.270 align:middle line:84%
You can write a dissertation
on theory of action in most--

00:44:24.270 --> 00:44:26.040 align:middle line:90%
any big university.

00:44:26.040 --> 00:44:28.530 align:middle line:84%
When I say big university,
any university that

00:44:28.530 --> 00:44:32.010 align:middle line:84%
has a philosophy department
that has enough faculty

00:44:32.010 --> 00:44:32.940 align:middle line:90%
to cover the others--

00:44:32.940 --> 00:44:35.820 align:middle line:84%
AUDIENCE: So theory of
action is not ethics?

00:44:35.820 --> 00:44:39.300 align:middle line:84%
TAFT BROOME: Theory of
action is not ethics.

00:44:39.300 --> 00:44:39.915 align:middle line:90%
It overlaps.

00:44:39.915 --> 00:44:45.380 align:middle line:90%


00:44:45.380 --> 00:44:48.610 align:middle line:84%
This is a term of
art, theory of action.

00:44:48.610 --> 00:44:50.350 align:middle line:84%
AUDIENCE: And it
follows under ethics?

00:44:50.350 --> 00:44:53.990 align:middle line:90%


00:44:53.990 --> 00:44:56.462 align:middle line:84%
TAFT BROOME: Venn diagram,
it falls closer under praxis

00:44:56.462 --> 00:44:57.670 align:middle line:90%
than any of the rest of them.

00:44:57.670 --> 00:45:00.540 align:middle line:90%


00:45:00.540 --> 00:45:04.130 align:middle line:84%
But praxis is really
talking about theory

00:45:04.130 --> 00:45:06.110 align:middle line:90%
just before you act.

00:45:06.110 --> 00:45:09.778 align:middle line:84%
Theory of action is talking
about praxis and action.

00:45:09.778 --> 00:45:12.960 align:middle line:90%
AUDIENCE: OK, got it.

00:45:12.960 --> 00:45:15.750 align:middle line:84%
TAFT BROOME: But if you want
to write your dissertation

00:45:15.750 --> 00:45:20.150 align:middle line:84%
on action theory, you
go to any department

00:45:20.150 --> 00:45:25.610 align:middle line:84%
where they can cover these three
and have faculty left over,

00:45:25.610 --> 00:45:31.126 align:middle line:90%
you will be able to do this, OK?

00:45:31.126 --> 00:45:34.600 align:middle line:84%
All right, so theory
of action is big.

00:45:34.600 --> 00:45:35.620 align:middle line:90%
Hi, Tony.

00:45:35.620 --> 00:45:42.427 align:middle line:84%
We're doing
definitions, vocabulary,

00:45:42.427 --> 00:45:43.510 align:middle line:90%
not a structured approach.

00:45:43.510 --> 00:45:48.340 align:middle line:90%


00:45:48.340 --> 00:45:58.710 align:middle line:90%
Now, people who talk about--

00:45:58.710 --> 00:46:00.810 align:middle line:90%
or let's keep going.

00:46:00.810 --> 00:46:08.310 align:middle line:84%
There is a very interesting
word here, praxiology.

00:46:08.310 --> 00:46:22.920 align:middle line:84%
That is a translation
of a Polish term, OK?

00:46:22.920 --> 00:46:25.640 align:middle line:84%
Interesting background,
I want to elaborate.

00:46:25.640 --> 00:46:30.310 align:middle line:84%
I have a confession as to
why I want to elaborate.

00:46:30.310 --> 00:46:36.500 align:middle line:84%
MacMillan has a new encyclopedia
of philosophy coming out.

00:46:36.500 --> 00:46:38.480 align:middle line:84%
And the most interesting
citation in it

00:46:38.480 --> 00:46:40.150 align:middle line:90%
is the one on praxiology.

00:46:40.150 --> 00:46:43.321 align:middle line:90%


00:46:43.321 --> 00:46:45.850 align:middle line:84%
[INAUDIBLE] is beginning
to get suspicious.

00:46:45.850 --> 00:46:49.030 align:middle line:90%


00:46:49.030 --> 00:46:50.470 align:middle line:90%
Why did I say most interesting?

00:46:50.470 --> 00:46:54.820 align:middle line:84%
That's a very loaded
term for a class like--

00:46:54.820 --> 00:46:56.021 align:middle line:90%
no, I wrote it.

00:46:56.021 --> 00:46:58.280 align:middle line:84%
AUDIENCE: That's
OK, [INAUDIBLE]..

00:46:58.280 --> 00:47:00.910 align:middle line:84%
TAFT BROOME: Well, I
mean that was a label.

00:47:00.910 --> 00:47:03.370 align:middle line:84%
We're not talking about
a whole lot of words.

00:47:03.370 --> 00:47:06.620 align:middle line:84%
I can't remember how
many words it was.

00:47:06.620 --> 00:47:10.450 align:middle line:90%
I think I gave about 10 pages.

00:47:10.450 --> 00:47:13.720 align:middle line:90%
That was a lot of research.

00:47:13.720 --> 00:47:25.420 align:middle line:84%
What happens is that practice
theology got its start

00:47:25.420 --> 00:47:29.210 align:middle line:90%
by a man named Kotarbinski.

00:47:29.210 --> 00:47:29.930 align:middle line:90%
He's Polish.

00:47:29.930 --> 00:47:34.430 align:middle line:84%
Now this, being Polish,
is very significant, OK?

00:47:34.430 --> 00:47:38.090 align:middle line:84%
Because all of the
development of praxiology,

00:47:38.090 --> 00:47:40.700 align:middle line:84%
it reached its-- it
developed from Kotarbinski

00:47:40.700 --> 00:47:44.960 align:middle line:84%
and reached maturity
during a time

00:47:44.960 --> 00:47:48.440 align:middle line:84%
when Poland was politically
cut off from the West.

00:47:48.440 --> 00:47:55.450 align:middle line:84%
We could not get the papers out
and we could not get papers in.

00:47:55.450 --> 00:48:05.570 align:middle line:90%


00:48:05.570 --> 00:48:08.120 align:middle line:90%
So we became aware of--

00:48:08.120 --> 00:48:10.580 align:middle line:84%
when I say we, most
scholars, most of us--

00:48:10.580 --> 00:48:16.520 align:middle line:84%
there were some who traveled
in Poland during those days

00:48:16.520 --> 00:48:21.200 align:middle line:90%
and talked about philosophy.

00:48:21.200 --> 00:48:22.700 align:middle line:90%
Well, I think John Dewey--

00:48:22.700 --> 00:48:24.500 align:middle line:84%
somebody traveled in
there and came back

00:48:24.500 --> 00:48:26.700 align:middle line:90%
talking about pragmatism, OK?

00:48:26.700 --> 00:48:36.938 align:middle line:90%
So praxiology came out when--

00:48:36.938 --> 00:48:38.980 align:middle line:84%
let me see if I can
pronounce his name correctly.

00:48:38.980 --> 00:48:43.000 align:middle line:84%
If I cannot pronounce
his name correctly--

00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:46.590 align:middle line:84%
his first name is
Karol, K-A-R-O-L.

00:48:46.590 --> 00:48:48.990 align:middle line:90%
You know who I'm talking about?

00:48:48.990 --> 00:48:50.168 align:middle line:90%
Yeah?

00:48:50.168 --> 00:48:56.230 align:middle line:84%
AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]
Pope John Paul II.

00:48:56.230 --> 00:48:57.610 align:middle line:90%
TAFT BROOME: Right.

00:48:57.610 --> 00:48:59.860 align:middle line:90%
AUDIENCE: Polish, [INAUDIBLE].

00:48:59.860 --> 00:49:04.630 align:middle line:84%
TAFT BROOME: W-O-L-T
and then more It's hard.

00:49:04.630 --> 00:49:09.980 align:middle line:84%
Now, incidentally-- now, I
qualified in Russian, qualified

00:49:09.980 --> 00:49:12.790 align:middle line:90%
Russian and French.

00:49:12.790 --> 00:49:15.010 align:middle line:90%
I can still read Russian.

00:49:15.010 --> 00:49:17.620 align:middle line:84%
I don't mean read it
with understanding,

00:49:17.620 --> 00:49:21.270 align:middle line:84%
but I can pronounce
the words correctly.

00:49:21.270 --> 00:49:23.130 align:middle line:90%
Polish is different.

00:49:23.130 --> 00:49:29.250 align:middle line:84%
But unless they throw one
of those accents in there

00:49:29.250 --> 00:49:31.200 align:middle line:90%
on top of the letter--

00:49:31.200 --> 00:49:34.890 align:middle line:84%
and they've got a lot
of them in Polish--

00:49:34.890 --> 00:49:38.450 align:middle line:84%
I could pronounce his name,
[INAUDIBLE] I think it's--

00:49:38.450 --> 00:49:41.580 align:middle line:90%


00:49:41.580 --> 00:49:45.630 align:middle line:84%
let's say that's about
70-80% right, all right?

00:49:45.630 --> 00:49:47.880 align:middle line:84%
But if they wrote it in
Polish, I could probably

00:49:47.880 --> 00:49:49.470 align:middle line:90%
get it about 95% right.

00:49:49.470 --> 00:49:55.280 align:middle line:90%


00:49:55.280 --> 00:49:57.860 align:middle line:84%
When he became
Pope, that opened up

00:49:57.860 --> 00:50:01.625 align:middle line:84%
all of this scholarship
from Poland to the West.

00:50:01.625 --> 00:50:05.730 align:middle line:84%
And it was around that
time that praxiology

00:50:05.730 --> 00:50:12.030 align:middle line:90%
got into philosophy and there.

00:50:12.030 --> 00:50:16.080 align:middle line:84%
And what they are doing-- when
I say that they were doing it

00:50:16.080 --> 00:50:22.770 align:middle line:84%
with praxiology was
writing a general theory

00:50:22.770 --> 00:50:24.330 align:middle line:84%
for the learned
disciplines that we

00:50:24.330 --> 00:50:28.030 align:middle line:84%
call the practical learned
disciplines-- law, medicine,

00:50:28.030 --> 00:50:34.110 align:middle line:84%
engineering, social work,
but not sociology, business,

00:50:34.110 --> 00:50:35.550 align:middle line:90%
but not economics.

00:50:35.550 --> 00:50:39.720 align:middle line:90%


00:50:39.720 --> 00:50:40.970 align:middle line:90%
See where I'm going with this?

00:50:40.970 --> 00:50:44.260 align:middle line:84%
AUDIENCE: So the
discipline [INAUDIBLE]

00:50:44.260 --> 00:50:45.340 align:middle line:90%
TAFT BROOME: Yes.

00:50:45.340 --> 00:50:51.940 align:middle line:84%
And they were trying to develop
a branch of philosophy that

00:50:51.940 --> 00:50:56.860 align:middle line:90%
would guide that discussion.

00:50:56.860 --> 00:50:59.200 align:middle line:84%
OK, so what they
were trying to do

00:50:59.200 --> 00:51:04.160 align:middle line:84%
was to get-- open up
this whole new category.

00:51:04.160 --> 00:51:07.190 align:middle line:84%
And they did pretty
good at it, I think.

00:51:07.190 --> 00:51:10.040 align:middle line:84%
They suffered because
they did not have wider--

00:51:10.040 --> 00:51:12.440 align:middle line:90%
wider scope of debate.

00:51:12.440 --> 00:51:13.520 align:middle line:90%
They only had themselves.

00:51:13.520 --> 00:51:16.710 align:middle line:84%
And they were pretty
much sold on--

00:51:16.710 --> 00:51:18.390 align:middle line:90%
you know how it is.

00:51:18.390 --> 00:51:19.890 align:middle line:84%
The four of us get
together and say,

00:51:19.890 --> 00:51:23.920 align:middle line:84%
we're going to invent a whole
new category of philosophy.

00:51:23.920 --> 00:51:26.920 align:middle line:84%
We're pretty much of
one mind from the start.

00:51:26.920 --> 00:51:28.750 align:middle line:84%
Really, to mature
this thing, somebody's

00:51:28.750 --> 00:51:31.510 align:middle line:84%
got to come in from
the field, you know?

00:51:31.510 --> 00:51:33.520 align:middle line:84%
So they were cut off,
politically cut off

00:51:33.520 --> 00:51:36.970 align:middle line:90%
from the Western world.

00:51:36.970 --> 00:51:42.950 align:middle line:84%
All right, so-- but
I think that whatever

00:51:42.950 --> 00:51:48.118 align:middle line:84%
you do with this chart, remember
that when the definitions come

00:51:48.118 --> 00:51:49.910 align:middle line:84%
up, we're talking about
a Venn diagram, not

00:51:49.910 --> 00:51:53.570 align:middle line:84%
an organizational chart
because things don't fit neatly

00:51:53.570 --> 00:51:54.780 align:middle line:90%
into these categories.

00:51:54.780 --> 00:51:58.897 align:middle line:84%
But almost everybody will
agree that these three--

00:51:58.897 --> 00:52:00.230 align:middle line:90%
I'm sorry there's one other one.

00:52:00.230 --> 00:52:06.640 align:middle line:84%
There is one other one that
actually fits in this category.

00:52:06.640 --> 00:52:09.400 align:middle line:84%
And philosophers
want to include it.

00:52:09.400 --> 00:52:14.830 align:middle line:84%
Let's talk about some others
that fit into this category.

00:52:14.830 --> 00:52:16.340 align:middle line:84%
And, sometimes
they'll include it.

00:52:16.340 --> 00:52:26.620 align:middle line:84%
One of them is
philosophy of education

00:52:26.620 --> 00:52:32.470 align:middle line:84%
because there is such a thing
called educational psychology,

00:52:32.470 --> 00:52:37.140 align:middle line:84%
which is a science and fits
very closely under epistemology.

00:52:37.140 --> 00:52:38.310 align:middle line:90%
Notice this science.

00:52:38.310 --> 00:52:39.450 align:middle line:90%
We're going to--

00:52:39.450 --> 00:52:41.160 align:middle line:84%
I'm getting excited
about it now.

00:52:41.160 --> 00:52:42.330 align:middle line:90%
Let me organize my thoughts.

00:52:42.330 --> 00:52:45.370 align:middle line:90%
I want to go back.

00:52:45.370 --> 00:52:48.280 align:middle line:84%
Let's talk about where
some learned disciplines

00:52:48.280 --> 00:52:51.400 align:middle line:84%
fit into these categories,
fit into categories.

00:52:51.400 --> 00:52:59.170 align:middle line:90%
OK, science, a fair--

00:52:59.170 --> 00:53:04.300 align:middle line:84%
the fair-- the most accurate
short statement about what

00:53:04.300 --> 00:53:10.540 align:middle line:84%
science is is that it
is a learned discipline

00:53:10.540 --> 00:53:17.470 align:middle line:84%
for the production of knowledge
about the physical world

00:53:17.470 --> 00:53:20.710 align:middle line:84%
in pursuit of the truth
about the physical world.

00:53:20.710 --> 00:53:27.430 align:middle line:90%


00:53:27.430 --> 00:53:30.510 align:middle line:84%
So therefore, science
would be closer

00:53:30.510 --> 00:53:34.350 align:middle line:84%
to epistemology
with a good overlap

00:53:34.350 --> 00:53:39.330 align:middle line:84%
with metaphysics
than an axiology.

00:53:39.330 --> 00:53:42.180 align:middle line:90%


00:53:42.180 --> 00:53:47.280 align:middle line:84%
Ethics clearly is an
actuality by definition.

00:53:47.280 --> 00:53:56.370 align:middle line:84%
But any theory of
values fits closer

00:53:56.370 --> 00:53:59.770 align:middle line:84%
to archeology than
anything else.

00:53:59.770 --> 00:54:05.710 align:middle line:84%
So if you want to
talk about art,

00:54:05.710 --> 00:54:09.620 align:middle line:84%
that would fit
closer to axiology

00:54:09.620 --> 00:54:12.770 align:middle line:84%
than anything else,
theory of beauty,

00:54:12.770 --> 00:54:14.410 align:middle line:90%
if you want to talk about art.

00:54:14.410 --> 00:54:16.160 align:middle line:84%
That's not the only
way to talk about art,

00:54:16.160 --> 00:54:19.160 align:middle line:84%
but that's one way to talk
about art, aesthetics.

00:54:19.160 --> 00:54:23.120 align:middle line:90%


00:54:23.120 --> 00:54:26.195 align:middle line:84%
Aesthetics, how many
of them do we have?

00:54:26.195 --> 00:54:29.240 align:middle line:90%


00:54:29.240 --> 00:54:30.365 align:middle line:90%
Well, think of your senses.

00:54:30.365 --> 00:54:35.310 align:middle line:90%


00:54:35.310 --> 00:54:39.150 align:middle line:84%
Beauty in the eye is
called aesthetics.

00:54:39.150 --> 00:54:42.680 align:middle line:90%


00:54:42.680 --> 00:54:48.837 align:middle line:84%
There's such a thing
as gustatory values.

00:54:48.837 --> 00:54:52.147 align:middle line:84%
AUDIENCE: Is that
[INAUDIBLE] study?

00:54:52.147 --> 00:54:53.105 align:middle line:90%
TAFT BROOME: Gustatory?

00:54:53.105 --> 00:54:54.230 align:middle line:90%
AUDIENCE: Aesthetics?

00:54:54.230 --> 00:54:54.665 align:middle line:90%
TAFT BROOME: Oh yes.

00:54:54.665 --> 00:54:56.040 align:middle line:84%
AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]
philosophy.

00:54:56.040 --> 00:54:57.290 align:middle line:90%
TAFT BROOME: Oh yes.

00:54:57.290 --> 00:54:59.330 align:middle line:84%
Oh yes, and guess
where they work?

00:54:59.330 --> 00:55:00.530 align:middle line:90%
In art departments.

00:55:00.530 --> 00:55:03.480 align:middle line:90%


00:55:03.480 --> 00:55:05.022 align:middle line:90%
Oh yes.

00:55:05.022 --> 00:55:07.520 align:middle line:84%
AUDIENCE: But gustatory
means like taste?

00:55:07.520 --> 00:55:10.640 align:middle line:90%
TAFT BROOME: Food, yeah, yeah.

00:55:10.640 --> 00:55:15.320 align:middle line:84%
You don't have to go to
France to get a PhD in gusta--

00:55:15.320 --> 00:55:19.100 align:middle line:84%
you're not going to get a PhD in
gustatory philosophy over here.

00:55:19.100 --> 00:55:23.900 align:middle line:90%
But no, gustatory, you know--

00:55:23.900 --> 00:55:25.740 align:middle line:90%
what's another one?

00:55:25.740 --> 00:55:27.560 align:middle line:90%
AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]

00:55:27.560 --> 00:55:30.710 align:middle line:84%
TAFT BROOME: Music, we
can do that over here.

00:55:30.710 --> 00:55:31.460 align:middle line:90%
Yes, music.

00:55:31.460 --> 00:55:35.540 align:middle line:90%


00:55:35.540 --> 00:55:38.990 align:middle line:84%
Tactile, that's
the formal term--

00:55:38.990 --> 00:55:45.140 align:middle line:84%
T-A-C-T-I-L-E-- has to do with
not feelings, but with feeling,

00:55:45.140 --> 00:55:47.870 align:middle line:84%
not the passions, but
with the sense of feeling.

00:55:47.870 --> 00:55:54.790 align:middle line:90%


00:55:54.790 --> 00:55:57.220 align:middle line:90%
Here's another one.

00:55:57.220 --> 00:56:03.265 align:middle line:84%
Probably the most important
one has to do with sight.

00:56:03.265 --> 00:56:04.850 align:middle line:90%
That's the most important one.

00:56:04.850 --> 00:56:08.890 align:middle line:84%
But there's another
one that is very--

00:56:08.890 --> 00:56:09.970 align:middle line:90%
it's coming along now.

00:56:09.970 --> 00:56:14.770 align:middle line:84%
And something is going to
happen in your lifetimes--

00:56:14.770 --> 00:56:19.300 align:middle line:84%
yours too, [? Tori-- ?]
that is only

00:56:19.300 --> 00:56:25.780 align:middle line:84%
going to happen to me when
I'm in full retirement.

00:56:25.780 --> 00:56:39.740 align:middle line:84%
And that's in the area
of olfactory philosophy,

00:56:39.740 --> 00:56:43.220 align:middle line:90%
and praxis, and all of that.

00:56:43.220 --> 00:56:46.070 align:middle line:90%
You know what they've just done?

00:56:46.070 --> 00:56:47.600 align:middle line:90%
I got this-- I get this from--

00:56:47.600 --> 00:56:51.680 align:middle line:84%
I've been following-- well,
first of all, the olfactory--

00:56:51.680 --> 00:56:54.050 align:middle line:84%
the olfactory was
intriguing to me

00:56:54.050 --> 00:56:59.300 align:middle line:84%
when I learned that
the olfactory sense--

00:56:59.300 --> 00:57:01.520 align:middle line:90%
the sense the sense of smell--

00:57:01.520 --> 00:57:10.000 align:middle line:84%
is the only one that does not
go through the cognitive area

00:57:10.000 --> 00:57:13.720 align:middle line:84%
of the mind for
processing before it goes

00:57:13.720 --> 00:57:18.340 align:middle line:84%
other places in the body,
that everything else requires

00:57:18.340 --> 00:57:23.090 align:middle line:84%
some processing first, some
reason, and all of that.

00:57:23.090 --> 00:57:25.570 align:middle line:84%
Well, it's like put the
Necker cube up there.

00:57:25.570 --> 00:57:28.870 align:middle line:84%
It's on a flat surface, but
we see three-dimensional.

00:57:28.870 --> 00:57:30.850 align:middle line:90%
The brain did that.

00:57:30.850 --> 00:57:37.690 align:middle line:84%
Olfactory goes straight
to the psychomotor.

00:57:37.690 --> 00:57:41.530 align:middle line:90%


00:57:41.530 --> 00:57:43.090 align:middle line:84%
And it's supposed
to be the only one.

00:57:43.090 --> 00:57:46.810 align:middle line:84%
I'm talking at the level
of the best documentaries

00:57:46.810 --> 00:57:50.740 align:middle line:90%
on television, all right?

00:57:50.740 --> 00:57:52.620 align:middle line:90%
I can go a little bit further.

00:57:52.620 --> 00:58:01.200 align:middle line:84%
I hang out with a
lot of psychiatrists

00:58:01.200 --> 00:58:02.895 align:middle line:90%
on a friendly basis.

00:58:02.895 --> 00:58:09.990 align:middle line:90%


00:58:09.990 --> 00:58:13.860 align:middle line:84%
But we talk about these
things, so that, too.

00:58:13.860 --> 00:58:14.985 align:middle line:90%
But something has happened.

00:58:14.985 --> 00:58:17.550 align:middle line:90%


00:58:17.550 --> 00:58:19.545 align:middle line:90%
They have now been able to--

00:58:19.545 --> 00:58:24.700 align:middle line:90%


00:58:24.700 --> 00:58:26.195 align:middle line:90%
OK, let me back up a minute.

00:58:26.195 --> 00:58:28.570 align:middle line:84%
There's something that we
engineers understand very well.

00:58:28.570 --> 00:58:31.880 align:middle line:90%


00:58:31.880 --> 00:58:37.040 align:middle line:84%
And that is, in mathematics,
we understand what it means

00:58:37.040 --> 00:58:41.260 align:middle line:90%
to talk about a basis set.

00:58:41.260 --> 00:58:43.450 align:middle line:84%
We can talk about
three spaces-- x, y, z.

00:58:43.450 --> 00:58:50.152 align:middle line:84%
And everything is either on
one of the axes, in a plane--

00:58:50.152 --> 00:58:51.610 align:middle line:84%
I mean, everything
can be described

00:58:51.610 --> 00:58:55.540 align:middle line:84%
in terms of that basic
three categories--

00:58:55.540 --> 00:59:04.700 align:middle line:84%
color, basic colors, everything
else is a mixture of them.

00:59:04.700 --> 00:59:09.200 align:middle line:84%
They've got the olfactory
down to a basic set.

00:59:09.200 --> 00:59:10.380 align:middle line:90%
They've got it down.

00:59:10.380 --> 00:59:13.880 align:middle line:84%
And so now, they're
going to be able to do

00:59:13.880 --> 00:59:15.320 align:middle line:84%
a lot of different
things with it.

00:59:15.320 --> 00:59:18.440 align:middle line:90%


00:59:18.440 --> 00:59:22.068 align:middle line:90%
I went to a movie theater.

00:59:22.068 --> 00:59:24.110 align:middle line:84%
It was a special movie
theater over in Baltimore.

00:59:24.110 --> 00:59:26.750 align:middle line:90%
I don't if they still have it.

00:59:26.750 --> 00:59:28.860 align:middle line:90%
But it was a movie theater.

00:59:28.860 --> 00:59:30.380 align:middle line:84%
But the movies they
played in there

00:59:30.380 --> 00:59:32.510 align:middle line:84%
didn't last for five
minutes and they

00:59:32.510 --> 00:59:34.010 align:middle line:90%
have maybe two or three movies.

00:59:34.010 --> 00:59:34.610 align:middle line:90%
That was all.

00:59:34.610 --> 00:59:35.540 align:middle line:90%
It was part of something else.

00:59:35.540 --> 00:59:37.998 align:middle line:84%
You go in there and it was all
set up like a movie theater.

00:59:37.998 --> 00:59:39.680 align:middle line:84%
But they only had
these small movies.

00:59:39.680 --> 00:59:43.010 align:middle line:84%
It was a movie theater that
had these little spouts right

00:59:43.010 --> 00:59:45.620 align:middle line:84%
by your seat that
gave out smells.

00:59:45.620 --> 00:59:49.910 align:middle line:84%
So when somebody cut an apple
pie, you could smell it.

00:59:49.910 --> 00:59:51.650 align:middle line:90%
God, yeah.

00:59:51.650 --> 00:59:56.870 align:middle line:90%


00:59:56.870 --> 01:00:03.140 align:middle line:84%
But there was this fear of what
would happen to people if you

01:00:03.140 --> 01:00:07.410 align:middle line:90%
tried to control the olfactory.

01:00:07.410 --> 01:00:09.780 align:middle line:90%
Now, you do it with the sound.

01:00:09.780 --> 01:00:14.010 align:middle line:84%
You hear a tiger
in the movies, 3D.

01:00:14.010 --> 01:00:18.870 align:middle line:90%
You clearly do it the eye, OK?

01:00:18.870 --> 01:00:24.650 align:middle line:84%
There have been some
theaters that have had--

01:00:24.650 --> 01:00:28.070 align:middle line:84%
where movies had the
tactile worked in.

01:00:28.070 --> 01:00:31.560 align:middle line:90%
I'll tell you two of them.

01:00:31.560 --> 01:00:39.040 align:middle line:84%
In some movie theaters, this
movie Earthquake actually

01:00:39.040 --> 01:00:45.050 align:middle line:84%
had sound thrown into the
movie below the auditory level,

01:00:45.050 --> 01:00:49.280 align:middle line:84%
but made you feel
like were moving, OK?

01:00:49.280 --> 01:00:51.470 align:middle line:84%
There was another one
down in North Carolina

01:00:51.470 --> 01:00:56.120 align:middle line:84%
when I was a kid where
they had another sound

01:00:56.120 --> 01:00:58.340 align:middle line:90%
below the auditory level.

01:00:58.340 --> 01:01:01.820 align:middle line:84%
And they played it when
the monster was creeping up

01:01:01.820 --> 01:01:03.260 align:middle line:90%
behind this lady.

01:01:03.260 --> 01:01:05.480 align:middle line:84%
And just as the monster
was putting his hands

01:01:05.480 --> 01:01:06.980 align:middle line:90%
they blew that sound in.

01:01:06.980 --> 01:01:08.300 align:middle line:90%
You could feel it.

01:01:08.300 --> 01:01:10.115 align:middle line:90%
People ran out of the theater.

01:01:10.115 --> 01:01:11.240 align:middle line:90%
Well, that's what they say.

01:01:11.240 --> 01:01:18.095 align:middle line:84%
Anyway, the olfactory may
very well get into the movies.

01:01:18.095 --> 01:01:22.140 align:middle line:90%


01:01:22.140 --> 01:01:23.775 align:middle line:90%
But hello.

01:01:23.775 --> 01:01:25.170 align:middle line:90%
Are you joining us?

01:01:25.170 --> 01:01:26.820 align:middle line:84%
Or you're just early
for the other one?

01:01:26.820 --> 01:01:27.720 align:middle line:90%
AUDIENCE: Yeah.

01:01:27.720 --> 01:01:29.940 align:middle line:84%
TAFT BROOME: OK, you
can join us, though.

01:01:29.940 --> 01:01:32.610 align:middle line:90%


01:01:32.610 --> 01:01:36.200 align:middle line:84%
So olfactory may
be in the movies.

01:01:36.200 --> 01:01:38.465 align:middle line:90%
My instincts-- not instincts--

01:01:38.465 --> 01:01:41.090 align:middle line:84%
I like to use the word instinct
because I believe in instincts.

01:01:41.090 --> 01:01:44.630 align:middle line:84%
But I think history
will tell that it's

01:01:44.630 --> 01:01:46.020 align:middle line:90%
going to take a little while.

01:01:46.020 --> 01:01:50.800 align:middle line:84%
First of all, The
Wizard of Oz was not

01:01:50.800 --> 01:01:54.333 align:middle line:90%
the first film to use color.

01:01:54.333 --> 01:01:55.750 align:middle line:84%
A number of others
came out before

01:01:55.750 --> 01:01:56.972 align:middle line:90%
and people didn't like them.

01:01:56.972 --> 01:02:00.070 align:middle line:90%


01:02:00.070 --> 01:02:05.223 align:middle line:84%
So my guess is that if they
start really making films

01:02:05.223 --> 01:02:06.640 align:middle line:84%
with the olfactory--
and now, they

01:02:06.640 --> 01:02:10.013 align:middle line:84%
can do it because they
can put it on a tape

01:02:10.013 --> 01:02:11.680 align:middle line:84%
and they can have the
instruments there.

01:02:11.680 --> 01:02:16.280 align:middle line:84%
And for every smell, you don't
need a different pipe organ

01:02:16.280 --> 01:02:17.530 align:middle line:90%
like they had in this theater.

01:02:17.530 --> 01:02:23.110 align:middle line:84%
For every smell they
had a different tube.

01:02:23.110 --> 01:02:26.530 align:middle line:84%
Here, all you have to
do is have the basic set

01:02:26.530 --> 01:02:32.070 align:middle line:84%
and mix them properly to
get any smell you want.

01:02:32.070 --> 01:02:36.000 align:middle line:84%
Well, they're going
to have to work out

01:02:36.000 --> 01:02:39.540 align:middle line:84%
the danger levels of all that
because some of our smells

01:02:39.540 --> 01:02:42.360 align:middle line:84%
operate below the
level of consciousness.

01:02:42.360 --> 01:02:44.865 align:middle line:84%
And they tell us who we
like and who we don't like.

01:02:44.865 --> 01:02:47.520 align:middle line:90%


01:02:47.520 --> 01:02:53.640 align:middle line:84%
Yeah, yeah, and all
these other things.

01:02:53.640 --> 01:02:56.370 align:middle line:84%
Perfume-- oh,
they're going to be--

01:02:56.370 --> 01:02:59.910 align:middle line:84%
those are going to be
some real ethics problems.

01:02:59.910 --> 01:03:04.320 align:middle line:84%
Perfumes, they come
from these glands

01:03:04.320 --> 01:03:06.480 align:middle line:84%
from these animals,
a lot of them.

01:03:06.480 --> 01:03:10.740 align:middle line:84%
So the animals are using
the perfumes on each other.

01:03:10.740 --> 01:03:12.660 align:middle line:84%
And then we turned
it into perfume.

01:03:12.660 --> 01:03:16.182 align:middle line:84%
And perfume operates at below
the level of consciousness.

01:03:16.182 --> 01:03:18.960 align:middle line:90%


01:03:18.960 --> 01:03:23.720 align:middle line:84%
It's not just a
kind of olfactory--

01:03:23.720 --> 01:03:26.360 align:middle line:84%
well, it's olfactory, but
it's not purely smell.

01:03:26.360 --> 01:03:29.060 align:middle line:84%
Something is working at
the lower levels that's

01:03:29.060 --> 01:03:32.040 align:middle line:90%
telling us about persons.

01:03:32.040 --> 01:03:34.740 align:middle line:84%
And it's going to be
really interesting

01:03:34.740 --> 01:03:37.530 align:middle line:84%
when the olfactory becomes
a part of everybody's life--

01:03:37.530 --> 01:03:40.350 align:middle line:84%
consciously becomes a part of
everybody's life, particularly

01:03:40.350 --> 01:03:41.550 align:middle line:90%
in the movies.

01:03:41.550 --> 01:03:44.682 align:middle line:90%
So look out for that one.

01:03:44.682 --> 01:03:46.890 align:middle line:84%
People are going to be
writing dissertations on that.

01:03:46.890 --> 01:03:49.740 align:middle line:90%


01:03:49.740 --> 01:03:54.630 align:middle line:84%
Now, I'm going to tell
you what mythology can do.

01:03:54.630 --> 01:03:56.025 align:middle line:90%
I read a science fiction book.

01:03:56.025 --> 01:03:59.630 align:middle line:90%


01:03:59.630 --> 01:04:00.590 align:middle line:90%
I got it at home.

01:04:00.590 --> 01:04:03.390 align:middle line:90%


01:04:03.390 --> 01:04:07.860 align:middle line:84%
This guy goes to this--
no, no, these beings

01:04:07.860 --> 01:04:10.620 align:middle line:84%
from another planet come to
Earth and, for some reason,

01:04:10.620 --> 01:04:14.543 align:middle line:84%
want to take this guy back
with them to their planet.

01:04:14.543 --> 01:04:15.960 align:middle line:84%
I think a crime
has been committed

01:04:15.960 --> 01:04:22.420 align:middle line:84%
or their planet and they
don't have a history of crime.

01:04:22.420 --> 01:04:25.510 align:middle line:84%
So they come down here to get
a detective, Sherlock Holmes,

01:04:25.510 --> 01:04:29.890 align:middle line:84%
and take the person back to
help them find this crime.

01:04:29.890 --> 01:04:34.270 align:middle line:84%
But these beings, the sentient
beings on this other planet,

01:04:34.270 --> 01:04:37.480 align:middle line:90%
evolved from lizards.

01:04:37.480 --> 01:04:46.660 align:middle line:84%
And the main character is the
equivalent of Michael Jackson--

01:04:46.660 --> 01:04:51.160 align:middle line:84%
or no, I don't want to
use Michael Jackson.

01:04:51.160 --> 01:04:55.200 align:middle line:90%
No, he's a big rock star.

01:04:55.200 --> 01:04:56.760 align:middle line:90%
But his instrument is not music.

01:04:56.760 --> 01:04:57.630 align:middle line:90%
It's olfactory.

01:04:57.630 --> 01:05:01.542 align:middle line:90%


01:05:01.542 --> 01:05:03.142 align:middle line:90%
AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]

01:05:03.142 --> 01:05:05.100 align:middle line:84%
TAFT BROOME: And he's
able to mix these sounds.

01:05:05.100 --> 01:05:08.790 align:middle line:84%
And everybody goes, oh,
this guy's a great artist.

01:05:08.790 --> 01:05:14.620 align:middle line:84%
And a human being
can't get it, right?

01:05:14.620 --> 01:05:20.490 align:middle line:84%
Yeah, so he's mixing these
olfactory chords and playing.

01:05:20.490 --> 01:05:25.860 align:middle line:84%
And that's how science fiction
can develop a mythology that

01:05:25.860 --> 01:05:29.370 align:middle line:90%
gets us ready for stuff.

01:05:29.370 --> 01:05:32.370 align:middle line:84%
So now, I think I have
a basis for thinking

01:05:32.370 --> 01:05:40.380 align:middle line:84%
about what life would be like if
the olfactory got in there, OK?

01:05:40.380 --> 01:05:44.790 align:middle line:84%
So I believe that
philosophy of engineering

01:05:44.790 --> 01:05:47.280 align:middle line:90%
fits over here in this category.

01:05:47.280 --> 01:05:51.930 align:middle line:84%
Now, we have something
we can start with,

01:05:51.930 --> 01:05:54.510 align:middle line:84%
and then I'm done on this piece
and we can go to some others.

01:05:54.510 --> 01:05:57.810 align:middle line:90%
We've got nine minutes.

01:05:57.810 --> 01:06:04.810 align:middle line:84%
No, we have 14,
which is good time.

01:06:04.810 --> 01:06:17.910 align:middle line:84%
Now, there is-- there exists
two branches of philosophy

01:06:17.910 --> 01:06:19.710 align:middle line:90%
that go together.

01:06:19.710 --> 01:06:22.800 align:middle line:90%
The differences are subtle.

01:06:22.800 --> 01:06:26.995 align:middle line:90%
One is called theory of law.

01:06:26.995 --> 01:06:29.740 align:middle line:90%


01:06:29.740 --> 01:06:31.570 align:middle line:84%
And the other one is
called jurisprudence.

01:06:31.570 --> 01:06:43.700 align:middle line:90%


01:06:43.700 --> 01:06:49.220 align:middle line:84%
And depending on what
encyclopedia you get

01:06:49.220 --> 01:06:51.380 align:middle line:84%
or what dictionary
you're looking at,

01:06:51.380 --> 01:06:56.060 align:middle line:84%
they will either equate
theory of law to jurisprudence

01:06:56.060 --> 01:06:58.190 align:middle line:84%
or they'll go off in
a long dissertation

01:06:58.190 --> 01:06:59.718 align:middle line:90%
about how they're different.

01:06:59.718 --> 01:07:08.180 align:middle line:90%


01:07:08.180 --> 01:07:12.440 align:middle line:84%
And you will think that
they're splitting hairs.

01:07:12.440 --> 01:07:15.870 align:middle line:90%


01:07:15.870 --> 01:07:19.730 align:middle line:84%
I anticipate you'll think
that they're splitting hairs.

01:07:19.730 --> 01:07:21.710 align:middle line:84%
Here's what I think
the difference is.

01:07:21.710 --> 01:07:23.955 align:middle line:84%
When I say I think,
here's my learned judgment

01:07:23.955 --> 01:07:24.830 align:middle line:90%
about the difference.

01:07:24.830 --> 01:07:29.630 align:middle line:90%
There's a difference, OK?

01:07:29.630 --> 01:07:32.000 align:middle line:84%
Theory of law is
when you look at--

01:07:32.000 --> 01:07:34.850 align:middle line:84%
I've looked at the
journals written mainly

01:07:34.850 --> 01:07:41.021 align:middle line:84%
by philosophers, jurisprudence,
but mainly by lawyers.

01:07:41.021 --> 01:07:42.960 align:middle line:84%
You can say that
they're the same thing.

01:07:42.960 --> 01:07:44.520 align:middle line:90%
But, they will be--

01:07:44.520 --> 01:07:48.210 align:middle line:84%
the lawyers will be
interested in different topics

01:07:48.210 --> 01:07:50.370 align:middle line:90%
than the philosophers.

01:07:50.370 --> 01:07:55.560 align:middle line:84%
And the lawyers will write in
an almost legalistic style,

01:07:55.560 --> 01:07:59.160 align:middle line:84%
whereas the philosophers will
write in a philosophical style.

01:07:59.160 --> 01:08:09.020 align:middle line:84%
So when you go to a law
school, any lawyer with a JD

01:08:09.020 --> 01:08:16.290 align:middle line:84%
can teach jurisprudence,
but not every lawyer

01:08:16.290 --> 01:08:19.229 align:middle line:84%
can teach theory of law, and
certainly not every philosopher

01:08:19.229 --> 01:08:20.790 align:middle line:90%
can teach theory of law.

01:08:20.790 --> 01:08:23.550 align:middle line:84%
And I would say
that none of them

01:08:23.550 --> 01:08:27.479 align:middle line:84%
can teach jurisprudence because
they don't practice law.

01:08:27.479 --> 01:08:32.660 align:middle line:90%


01:08:32.660 --> 01:08:37.010 align:middle line:84%
So it's practitioners of
law that do it, all right?

01:08:37.010 --> 01:08:39.590 align:middle line:84%
Now, this statement
is very important

01:08:39.590 --> 01:08:47.060 align:middle line:84%
because I think that all of
this is going to break down

01:08:47.060 --> 01:08:49.340 align:middle line:84%
into categories like
this when it comes

01:08:49.340 --> 01:08:52.910 align:middle line:84%
to the practical disciplines
once we start doing more

01:08:52.910 --> 01:08:56.060 align:middle line:84%
work in the practical
disciplines,

01:08:56.060 --> 01:08:59.120 align:middle line:84%
that what you're going to
see-- what you see already

01:08:59.120 --> 01:09:01.760 align:middle line:84%
is that in philosophy
of education,

01:09:01.760 --> 01:09:04.189 align:middle line:84%
there are people whose
dissertations were

01:09:04.189 --> 01:09:06.319 align:middle line:90%
in philosophy of education.

01:09:06.319 --> 01:09:09.770 align:middle line:84%
And nobody else teaches
philosophy of education.

01:09:09.770 --> 01:09:12.770 align:middle line:84%
But then there are journals that
talk about philosophical issues

01:09:12.770 --> 01:09:15.590 align:middle line:84%
in education written by
educators who've never

01:09:15.590 --> 01:09:17.450 align:middle line:84%
taken a course in
philosophy, but who

01:09:17.450 --> 01:09:19.460 align:middle line:84%
are talking to each
other about what

01:09:19.460 --> 01:09:22.580 align:middle line:90%
their discipline constitutes.

01:09:22.580 --> 01:09:25.880 align:middle line:84%
So please anticipate
in your lifetime

01:09:25.880 --> 01:09:27.439 align:middle line:84%
that much more
discussion is going

01:09:27.439 --> 01:09:29.870 align:middle line:90%
to take place in this category.

01:09:29.870 --> 01:09:35.689 align:middle line:84%
And when it does, it will break
out into these two categories.

01:09:35.689 --> 01:09:39.800 align:middle line:84%
And that philosophy
of engineering

01:09:39.800 --> 01:09:41.630 align:middle line:84%
will essentially
break out, like I

01:09:41.630 --> 01:09:46.100 align:middle line:84%
think it is already,
between philosophical issues

01:09:46.100 --> 01:09:50.520 align:middle line:84%
that practicing engineers
talk to each other about

01:09:50.520 --> 01:09:54.140 align:middle line:84%
and philosophical
issues that philosophers

01:09:54.140 --> 01:09:59.280 align:middle line:84%
or philosophers/engineers,
like myself, want

01:09:59.280 --> 01:10:03.340 align:middle line:84%
to talk to mainly the
general public about, not so

01:10:03.340 --> 01:10:04.060 align:middle line:90%
much each other.

01:10:04.060 --> 01:10:09.395 align:middle line:90%


01:10:09.395 --> 01:10:12.725 align:middle line:84%
Now, there was a term I
said I was going to get to.

01:10:12.725 --> 01:10:13.850 align:middle line:90%
I asked y'all to remind me.

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01:10:19.350 --> 01:10:20.250 align:middle line:90%
Maybe I got to it.

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AUDIENCE: I think you said that
there was a branch [INAUDIBLE]

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essentially of philosophy.

01:10:32.324 --> 01:10:33.791 align:middle line:90%
AUDIENCE: Oh, yeah.

01:10:33.791 --> 01:10:35.361 align:middle line:90%
[INAUDIBLE]

01:10:35.361 --> 01:10:36.153 align:middle line:90%
TAFT BROOME: Where?

01:10:36.153 --> 01:10:37.340 align:middle line:90%
AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE].

01:10:37.340 --> 01:10:40.770 align:middle line:90%


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TAFT BROOME: Oh,
I said education?

01:10:42.690 --> 01:10:43.530 align:middle line:90%
It was education.

01:10:43.530 --> 01:10:48.750 align:middle line:84%
Education exists out
there only because there's

01:10:48.750 --> 01:10:51.990 align:middle line:84%
been a whole lot of
philosophical discussion

01:10:51.990 --> 01:10:52.800 align:middle line:90%
devoted--

01:10:52.800 --> 01:10:55.950 align:middle line:90%
oh, I know what it was.

01:10:55.950 --> 01:11:01.296 align:middle line:90%
It was normative ethics.

01:11:01.296 --> 01:11:04.550 align:middle line:90%
AUDIENCE: Oh, right.

01:11:04.550 --> 01:11:10.310 align:middle line:84%
TAFT BROOME: But I think
that education really belongs

01:11:10.310 --> 01:11:12.090 align:middle line:90%
in the practice category.

01:11:12.090 --> 01:11:15.980 align:middle line:90%
AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]

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TAFT BROOME: They don't
know what to do with it.

01:11:18.480 --> 01:11:20.480 align:middle line:84%
They just know that there's
a lot of work that's

01:11:20.480 --> 01:11:22.460 align:middle line:84%
been done by a lot
of great thinkers

01:11:22.460 --> 01:11:25.150 align:middle line:84%
who've used the tools
and methods of philosophy

01:11:25.150 --> 01:11:26.180 align:middle line:90%
to discuss education.

01:11:26.180 --> 01:11:29.090 align:middle line:84%
But they don't know where
to put it because most of it

01:11:29.090 --> 01:11:33.800 align:middle line:90%
is still not knowledge.

01:11:33.800 --> 01:11:40.580 align:middle line:84%
You just don't come into a
classroom with 30 12-year-olds

01:11:40.580 --> 01:11:42.920 align:middle line:84%
and start using a
systematic approach

01:11:42.920 --> 01:11:44.570 align:middle line:90%
to teach them mathematics.

01:11:44.570 --> 01:11:46.340 align:middle line:90%
There's something else involved.

01:11:46.340 --> 01:11:49.303 align:middle line:90%
It's an art form.

01:11:49.303 --> 01:11:50.220 align:middle line:90%
It's like engineering.

01:11:50.220 --> 01:11:59.950 align:middle line:84%
There's something that
is not parts of that, OK?

01:11:59.950 --> 01:12:01.930 align:middle line:84%
So they don't really
know where to put it.

01:12:01.930 --> 01:12:03.470 align:middle line:84%
Like I said, there's
so much of it.

01:12:03.470 --> 01:12:07.870 align:middle line:84%
And so many great minds have
been put to the task on it

01:12:07.870 --> 01:12:10.590 align:middle line:90%
that they can't ignore it.

01:12:10.590 --> 01:12:17.190 align:middle line:84%
And in a school of education
in a big state university,

01:12:17.190 --> 01:12:20.430 align:middle line:84%
you will find at least
one faculty member who

01:12:20.430 --> 01:12:24.200 align:middle line:90%
does philosophy of education.

01:12:24.200 --> 01:12:26.900 align:middle line:84%
I think that's a fair statement
I don't know of any that don't.

01:12:26.900 --> 01:12:29.258 align:middle line:90%


01:12:29.258 --> 01:12:31.300 align:middle line:84%
You've got to take a course
in it if you're going

01:12:31.300 --> 01:12:33.200 align:middle line:90%
to get a graduate degree in it.

01:12:33.200 --> 01:12:39.340 align:middle line:90%


01:12:39.340 --> 01:12:44.350 align:middle line:84%
Now, when we go
to ethics, ethics

01:12:44.350 --> 01:12:48.670 align:middle line:90%
breaks out into two divisions.

01:12:48.670 --> 01:12:57.590 align:middle line:90%


01:12:57.590 --> 01:12:58.860 align:middle line:90%
I'm going to use some terms.

01:12:58.860 --> 01:13:04.395 align:middle line:84%
This is what this class is all
about-- terms, terminology, OK?

01:13:04.395 --> 01:13:10.370 align:middle line:90%


01:13:10.370 --> 01:13:15.390 align:middle line:84%
I'm going to use
three terms, OK?

01:13:15.390 --> 01:13:22.650 align:middle line:90%


01:13:22.650 --> 01:13:24.210 align:middle line:90%
One is called normative ethics.

01:13:24.210 --> 01:13:31.980 align:middle line:90%


01:13:31.980 --> 01:13:34.170 align:middle line:84%
And the other one is
called descriptive ethics.

01:13:34.170 --> 01:13:42.380 align:middle line:90%


01:13:42.380 --> 01:13:49.640 align:middle line:84%
Normative ethics has
as its goal to say what

01:13:49.640 --> 01:13:52.710 align:middle line:90%
you should do or should not do.

01:13:52.710 --> 01:13:55.810 align:middle line:90%


01:13:55.810 --> 01:13:57.873 align:middle line:84%
Descriptive ethics
says what you did

01:13:57.873 --> 01:13:59.290 align:middle line:84%
and whether it was
right or wrong.

01:13:59.290 --> 01:14:05.510 align:middle line:90%


01:14:05.510 --> 01:14:07.820 align:middle line:84%
OK, so [INAUDIBLE]
blew the whistle.

01:14:07.820 --> 01:14:09.700 align:middle line:90%
Was that right or wrong?

01:14:09.700 --> 01:14:11.620 align:middle line:90%
What should he have done?

01:14:11.620 --> 01:14:13.497 align:middle line:84%
You see, there are two
different questions.

01:14:13.497 --> 01:14:18.170 align:middle line:90%


01:14:18.170 --> 01:14:29.890 align:middle line:84%
Most ethics done by philosophers
is called theoretical ethics.

01:14:29.890 --> 01:14:35.545 align:middle line:90%
And they do normative ethics.

01:14:35.545 --> 01:14:38.130 align:middle line:90%


01:14:38.130 --> 01:14:42.900 align:middle line:84%
Most applied ethics-- that is,
applying ethics to specific

01:14:42.900 --> 01:14:47.770 align:middle line:84%
kinds of cases, which
constitutes the greater part

01:14:47.770 --> 01:14:50.830 align:middle line:90%
of engineering ethics--

01:14:50.830 --> 01:14:51.790 align:middle line:90%
is descriptive.

01:14:51.790 --> 01:14:56.440 align:middle line:84%
You get a case, and you
say what somebody did,

01:14:56.440 --> 01:15:00.440 align:middle line:84%
and you ask whether they did the
right thing or the wrong thing.

01:15:00.440 --> 01:15:03.593 align:middle line:84%
I have given equal weight
to both in this class

01:15:03.593 --> 01:15:04.760 align:middle line:90%
because I want you to know--

01:15:04.760 --> 01:15:07.180 align:middle line:84%
I want you to be able
to do normative ethics.

01:15:07.180 --> 01:15:09.513 align:middle line:84%
I want you to be able to say
what they should have done.

01:15:09.513 --> 01:15:22.670 align:middle line:90%


01:15:22.670 --> 01:15:24.110 align:middle line:90%
Now, I've said with sciences.

01:15:24.110 --> 01:15:26.390 align:middle line:90%
Let's talk about science.

01:15:26.390 --> 01:15:29.330 align:middle line:84%
Let's talk about--
we've talk about ethics,

01:15:29.330 --> 01:15:30.540 align:middle line:90%
science, philosophy.

01:15:30.540 --> 01:15:33.660 align:middle line:84%
Let's see if we can find
some learned disciplines

01:15:33.660 --> 01:15:35.370 align:middle line:84%
with the next four
minutes that we have.

01:15:35.370 --> 01:15:38.850 align:middle line:84%
Science, a learned
discipline for--

01:15:38.850 --> 01:15:41.925 align:middle line:84%
on the production of knowledge
about the physical world.

01:15:41.925 --> 01:15:51.710 align:middle line:90%


01:15:51.710 --> 01:15:56.250 align:middle line:84%
Ethics, in its most
general statement,

01:15:56.250 --> 01:16:00.830 align:middle line:84%
a learned discipline on
the production of values.

01:16:00.830 --> 01:16:06.950 align:middle line:90%


01:16:06.950 --> 01:16:10.030 align:middle line:90%
We can get more specific.

01:16:10.030 --> 01:16:11.900 align:middle line:90%
And we should get more specific.

01:16:11.900 --> 01:16:24.000 align:middle line:84%
But if you take that definition,
however so cursory it may be,

01:16:24.000 --> 01:16:27.770 align:middle line:84%
it does make a distinction
between ethics and science.

01:16:27.770 --> 01:16:30.350 align:middle line:84%
One studies the facts and the
other ones studies the value.

01:16:30.350 --> 01:16:33.780 align:middle line:90%


01:16:33.780 --> 01:16:36.120 align:middle line:84%
Over in this
category, we're going

01:16:36.120 --> 01:16:40.420 align:middle line:84%
to be talking about engineering,
and law, and others.

01:16:40.420 --> 01:16:45.030 align:middle line:84%
All of them have to do
with changing the world

01:16:45.030 --> 01:16:47.790 align:middle line:84%
or controlling
it, more precisely

01:16:47.790 --> 01:16:51.800 align:middle line:84%
to intervene into it
with an end in mind.

01:16:51.800 --> 01:16:55.990 align:middle line:90%


01:16:55.990 --> 01:17:00.120 align:middle line:84%
So we are not about creating
knowledge about the world.

01:17:00.120 --> 01:17:05.273 align:middle line:84%
We're not about-- our specialty
is not about creating knowledge

01:17:05.273 --> 01:17:05.940 align:middle line:90%
about the world.

01:17:05.940 --> 01:17:07.830 align:middle line:84%
We may create
knowledge as we go,

01:17:07.830 --> 01:17:10.080 align:middle line:90%
but that's not our specialty.

01:17:10.080 --> 01:17:13.950 align:middle line:84%
Our specialty is not
about valuing the world.

01:17:13.950 --> 01:17:17.520 align:middle line:84%
We have to include values in it,
but that's not our specialty.

01:17:17.520 --> 01:17:21.100 align:middle line:84%
Our specialty has to
do with changing it.

01:17:21.100 --> 01:17:22.930 align:middle line:84%
Now, here's the
subtlety in changing it.

01:17:22.930 --> 01:17:26.860 align:middle line:84%
A scientist says, we
change the world, too.

01:17:26.860 --> 01:17:29.350 align:middle line:84%
Well, we have to change
the world in response

01:17:29.350 --> 01:17:33.340 align:middle line:90%
to certain kinds of imperatives.

01:17:33.340 --> 01:17:35.360 align:middle line:90%
We've got to do it now.

01:17:35.360 --> 01:17:38.802 align:middle line:84%
In military, the enemy
is coming over the hill.

01:17:38.802 --> 01:17:40.510 align:middle line:84%
Engineering, we've
got to go to the moon.

01:17:40.510 --> 01:17:44.010 align:middle line:90%


01:17:44.010 --> 01:17:45.960 align:middle line:90%
In medicine, you're sick.

01:17:45.960 --> 01:17:50.450 align:middle line:84%
I can't go in the laboratory and
do some more experiments, OK?

01:17:50.450 --> 01:17:54.560 align:middle line:84%
So we have a systematic
approach to dealing

01:17:54.560 --> 01:17:59.840 align:middle line:84%
with situations that are
knowledge deficient as well

01:17:59.840 --> 01:18:02.470 align:middle line:90%
as values deficient.

01:18:02.470 --> 01:18:05.170 align:middle line:84%
That's what makes the
engineering, medicine, law,

01:18:05.170 --> 01:18:08.640 align:middle line:84%
and these other learned
disciplines what they are.

01:18:08.640 --> 01:18:13.830 align:middle line:84%
It's when we're able to take
that leap in a systematic way.

01:18:13.830 --> 01:18:14.990 align:middle line:90%
We'll talk more about that.

01:18:14.990 --> 01:18:16.790 align:middle line:84%
I think we've just
about gotten to the end.

01:18:16.790 --> 01:18:20.480 align:middle line:90%


01:18:20.480 --> 01:18:21.950 align:middle line:90%
This is a continuing saga.

01:18:21.950 --> 01:18:24.620 align:middle line:84%
We'll always talk about
terminology from here out.

01:18:24.620 --> 01:18:27.300 align:middle line:90%


01:18:27.300 --> 01:18:30.350 align:middle line:84%
But I think I've gotten
some of the main ones.

01:18:30.350 --> 01:18:31.000 align:middle line:90%