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JOHN SOUTHARD: This is
where we ended last time.

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Vito Vanoni, a senior
colleague of mine at Caltech,

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did this interesting experiment.

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He had a flume running.

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And he had a microscopic,
down-looking view of an area

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on the bed, right about
at critical conditions.

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He used two sediments.

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I don't know whether you can
read this-- glass beads, about

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0.4 millimeters, and quartz,
about a tenth of a millimeter.

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And he counted the number of
grain movements per unit time.

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And he thought
that this would be

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negligible transport way down--
this is the Shields curve way

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down below here,
small transport, what

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he thought was critical
transport, and then general.

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So this shows you how well--

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arbitrary, guess you'd say,
it is to try to pin it down.

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There he is, Vito Vanoni,
one of all-time greats

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in sedimentation engineering,
really nice person.

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He'd already retired.

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He was the head of the
hydraulic lab at Caltech.

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Now, the sediment
load-- what I mean

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by the load is all the sediment
particles being transported

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at a given time-- is
called the sediment load.

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And now I'm going to do some
of my thought experiments here.

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Did I tell you about
thought experiments?

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They're really important.

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You figure out in
your mind how things

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are going to work in some
system or experiment.

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And then you do it.

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And if it's the same as
what you thought, you say,

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I've learned something.

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That's nice.

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And if it's something totally
different, you say, oh, shit,

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I need to go back
and think about it.

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So it's nice to have
thought experiments.

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So you can think about
instantaneously freeze a block,

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take it out, melt it.

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And that sediment's the load.

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That's one way you can think
about the sediment load.

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Now, you probably know there's
bed load and suspended load.

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And I'll tell you a
little bit about it.

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They integrate.

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It's not a sharp division.

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But all the particles
moving on or near the bed--

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and by near, I mean
pretty close to the bed

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relative to the overlying
turbulent flow--

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is called bedload.

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And then suspended load
is everything moving well

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above the bed.

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Now, remember, we had the
little thought experiment

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in which you magically shrink
yourself to micro size.

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And you're down there
among the grains.

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Well, if you were down here
among some of the bed grains

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and you're watching
what was happening,

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you could imagine
things landing and about

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to take off, just
landed, sitting there,

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and part of the bed.

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You've got to make
sure that you're not

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getting flattened between some
grain hitting another grain.

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But this gives you
a picture of what's

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happening with the grains
moving near the bed.

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This is important.

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Most particles travel
more slowly in the flow,

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or they can get up
to speed of the flow.

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But they tend to
lag behind the flow.

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Now, you've probably
heard of saltation.

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Saltation is the big thing
in aeolian environments.

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But a lot of people
think that there's

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a saltation layer of
particles taking off, moving

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fairly close to the
bed, and landing again.

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And it's controversial.

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And I've never
thought much about it.

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It doesn't seem to make
that much sense to me.

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But a lot of people think that
there is saltation near the bed.

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Wash load is the part of
the suspended load that

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gets washed through the
reach of a channel or a flow

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or a river or a tidal current.

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And it's not
represented in the bed.

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Bed material load is
stuff that's in the bed.

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And it can go into suspension.

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But it's not washed
right through.

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Grains can be put
up into suspension.

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They travel some distance.

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And they come down to the bed
at some distance downstream.

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And this may help you.

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I don't know.

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Wash load is part of
the suspended load.

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But bed material load can
also be in the suspended load.

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And of course, the bedload
is clearly bed material load.

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So-- in case that
helps you a little bit.

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By transport stages, I
mean, how is it working?

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Once you get past
the initiation,

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the Shields curve, where
there's no movement,

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first you have rolling.

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And then the person who--

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I copied this from somebody--

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thinks that saltation
is important--

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so that's saltation and rolling.

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And then when you get up
to a certain criterion,

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it goes into suspension.

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And you have suspension,
saltation, unrolling,

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all at the same time.

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If you want to know more
about transport modes,

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there's a thing in the
notes you can look at.

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Now, this is a big deal in
engineering practice, sediment

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transport rates.

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How much sediment is going
to go through the system?

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You think of the--

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a unit sediment transport
rate in any given slice,

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or the whole flow could be a
total sediment transport rate.

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And many formulas
have been developed

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to try to predict sediment load
for that-- sediment transport

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rates because of its importance
in hydraulic engineering.

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There's no analytical solution.

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So you have to work
semi-empirically and have--

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make some assumptions
and then work from there.

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And I'm not going to do
anything with it here.

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But you should recognize
that sediment transport

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rate is an important
consideration in sedimentation.

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And here's how you
could conceptualize it.

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There's my magic
screen stretching right

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across the flow.

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And you somehow
magically pick out

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all the particles that are
going past into that screen

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or through that screen
at-- per unit time.

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And that's the sediment
transport rate.

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Here's another way of doing it.

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Here's my magic
vacuum suction trap.

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There's no such thing.

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But it's nice to think about.

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And so it catches
everything that's going by,

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coming along in the flow.

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And all the sediment transport
and that pile of sediment,

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if you normalize per unit time,
is the sediment transport rate.

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So now you know something about
the sediment transport rate.

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How do you measure the
sediment being transported?

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And that's a tricky business.

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Suspended load is not
too difficult to do.

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You can have an array of
little flip-top bottles

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that you can remotely flip.

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You take a sample here, a
sample here, a sample here.

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And then you integrate it,
and you get a suspended load

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transport rate.

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Bedload is tougher.

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Various bedload traps
have been devised.

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You put it on the bed.

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And you somehow let the
sediment get into the trap.

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It's almost like catching
an animal in a trap.

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And you close the
trap and bring it up.

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And they work sort of well,
but not really that great.

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So you just keep in
mind that it's not

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easy to measure
sediment transport rate.

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So that's my pitch on
sediment transport in water.

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So now let's think
about the wind.

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That's an important
consideration as well.

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Why is it so great?

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Here's a mistake.

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I have discovered a few serious
mistakes, thoughtless mistakes,

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in my notes.

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And I'm making an addendum
before the next presentation

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to show them to you.

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This should be rho s over rho.

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How did I do that?

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So the density ratio, sediment
density over fluid density,

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is far greater in
wind than in water.

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And that has implications for
the independence of movement

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of sediment particles.

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If the density
difference isn't great,

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they can do their inertial
thing more or less unaffected

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by the turbulent flow that
they're in, the wind flow.

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Ralph Alger Bagnold, the biggest
figure in aeolian sand transport

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that's ever lived--

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I almost had a chance to meet
him because he was visiting MIT

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here in the late '50s,
when I was an undergrad.

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And my advisor had him
over for dinner one night.

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But of course, I wasn't invited.

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So I never got a
chance to meet Bagnold.

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He did his work in the
years before the First World

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War and the Second World
War in the Libyan desert.

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And he went out on expeditions
and did all kinds of things.

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This book-- you can look
at it because I parked--

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I bought a copy.

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And I parked it
in Kristin's lab.

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It's a classic.

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And it's worth looking through.

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So I figured I'd
like to get one.

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So I went to
AbeBooks, which is a--

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I don't know what you
know about AbeBooks.

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But you can buy
books, used books,

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from hundreds and
hundreds of booksellers

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all around the world.

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I typed this in.

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And I copied-- $5, a good copy.

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And I bought it.

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And I got it.

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It's one of these
Dover reprints.

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It was brand new.

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The next most
expensive cost $50.

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So fortunately, I was able
to get this thing for $5.

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So how do you study
sediment moved by the wind?

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Well, you build a wind tunnel.

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And we've built
two wind tunnels,

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one small and one pretty big.

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The one we built, the person
would have been like this tall,

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not that tall.

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That's the extent of my
artistic ability, stick figure.

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I never got beyond
stick figures.

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So you have a flared
entrance, a rectangular duct

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with a sand bed, and a collector
that keeps the sand in.

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And the air is
sucked out by a fan.

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And it's very effective.

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But if you want to really
see the grains moving,

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here's the channel, the side
view of the channel of the duct.

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You have a strobe light--
blink, blink, blink--

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and a collimator and a slit.

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So you can look from
the side and watch

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the saltating particles-- bloop,
bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop.

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It's really a nice
way of seeing--

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or you go out into
the wind and look

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at a sand bed on a windy day.

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That's a lot of fun.

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Grotzinger and I and
a couple other people

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were out on the White Sands
in New Mexico, gypsum sands.

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It was a windy day,
really windy day.

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It was a hot day.

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And we were sweaty.

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And we ended up looking like
snowmen at the end of the day.

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It stuck to us.

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It was hilarious.

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[LAUGHING]

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So saltation is a big
deal in aeolian transport.

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Saltation trajectories-- they
take a pretty steep angle

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up into the wind flow.

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And then they arch over
and splash down later on.

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It's very, very characteristic.

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And that's what you can see if
you did your strobe experiment

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that I just mentioned.

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And the amazing thing
is that the spin rates

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are fantastically high.

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And I've never really
understood why.

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I must-- must be
theories about it.

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But I haven't managed
to get into it.

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But they're spinning at hundreds
of revolutions per second, which

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seems incredible.

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But it's true.

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And one more point
I want to make--

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there's an
aerodynamic threshold.

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You have a flat, planar sediment
surface in the wind tunnel.

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Crank up the wind velocity
till some particles finally

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starts to move.

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And that's called the
aerodynamic threshold.

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But suppose you already
have a saltating system

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and you gradually
decrease the velocity.

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Because of the effect of
the saltating grains hitting

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other grains when
they land, you have

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to go to a much lower
velocity of wind velocity

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before the saltation stops.

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There's a-- I
don't know what you

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call it-- a hysteresis effect.

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You can call it that.

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What causes the particle to
be launched at the high angle?

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That's always been a
somewhat controversial issue.

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And it has to be some
combination of lift forces.

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Remember I told you about
lift forces on an airfoil?

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It's because of the
pressure differences

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in the bottom and the top.

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Well, clearly, there are lift
forces on these particles.

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And of course, the
splashing down particles

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can kick up more
particles and make

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them vulnerable to high
angles of launching.

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And we're talking
about a saltation

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carpet about this high.

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It's down around your legs
and up to your waistline.

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And seldom in-- even in
the very strongest winds,

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it wouldn't be more
than about 2 meters.

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So you hear about sandstorms.

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You often read about
big sandstorms.

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You're choking and the--
because you can't see anything.

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Those are dust storms.

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They're not sandstorms.

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They're dust storms.

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Keep in mind they're sandstorms.

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Now, I don't know whether any
of you are planetary people.

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But you can think about the
threshold, shear stress needed

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to get saltation going.

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Mars is much greater than Earth.

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And Earth is much
greater than Venus.

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And it mainly has to do with
differences in the air density,

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the atmospheric density.

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Is anybody in
planetary stuff here?

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There you go.

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I just have to mention this.

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We're dealing with
stuff on Earth.

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And now they're doing
great things on Mars.

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But there are zillions-- not
literally, but figuratively--

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zillions of planets out--

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Earth-like planets with
saltation going on.

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And I don't think
we're ever going

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to know anything about them.

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But there they are.

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I figure that there are probably
10 to the 20 something stars

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in the observable universe.

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And some non-negligible
percentage of them

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would have Earth-like planets.

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Now, it might be 10 to
the 17th, 10 to the 18th.

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And so there are these
people like us out there

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watching this stuff.

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And we're never going
to know about it.

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That's what I think, anyway.

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All right.

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So even on Earth--

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I made this up once.

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And we looked at
the density ratios.

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This time, I did it
right, rho s over rho.

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And you start at 1.

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And anything on the left
is just floating sediment.

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But when the sediments are
denser than the water-- here's

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sand and water.

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Golden water--
gold is very dense.

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We did some experiments once
with tungsten particles.

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Tungsten is almost
as dense as gold.

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And we had some interesting--
the ripples are much smaller.

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Snow in air-- and I have a
surprise slide for you later

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about that--

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sand in air, and sand
on Mars would be way

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over there, 10 to the fifth.

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This is a big topic for us,
for sedimentary geologists.

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And I've been dealing with
it for decades and decades.

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So there's a strong coupling.

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Flow makes the sediment move.

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And the sediment movement
develops a geometrical bed

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configuration.

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But there's an
inverse effect here

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because the bed configuration,
once it's formed,

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greatly influences the sediment
transport, and also the flow.

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So there's a forward problem
and an inverse problem

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here you have to deal with.

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This is just a
terminological thing.

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A bed configuration
for me-- it's

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a distinctive pattern of
geometrical features on the bed

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caused by a flow.

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And a bedform is any one
of those individual things

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that are in the configuration.

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Now, most people nowadays
lump these together

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and call it bedform, one word.

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I'm fighting a losing
battle on this.

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Well, I'm not even
in the fight anymore.

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And I think of a
bed state as a kind

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of existence field for some
kind of bed configuration.

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And we'll be dealing with that
considerably pretty soon here.

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Why are we doing this?

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Well, there's a great
variety of bed configurations

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that can be produced by
flows, given the flow

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velocity and the sediment size.

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And so we have a lot of
sedimentary structures,

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current-generated
sedimentary structures,

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that we would like to
be able to interpret.

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So if there's only one
kind of bed configuration,

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it would be a dull world
for sedimentologists

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because there wouldn't be this
great variety of structures

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to see.

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But yet we have an
enormous variety

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of structures-- is possible.

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Some we understand.

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Some we don't understand.

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And I'll get to that, also.

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So we'll start with
unidirectional flows.

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There's my flume.

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And it's about the right scale,
given the person standing there.

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It can be small or it
can be even larger.

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But what you do
is have a channel

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that you can tilt by
means of a screw jack.

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And there's a pump
of various kinds

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that circulate the
water in the sediment.

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So the flow starts
at the head box,

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flows down, moves the sediment.

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The water and sediment go into
the tail box and is pumped out.

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So it's a closed-circuit
recirculating flume.

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You're recirculating both
the sediment and the water.

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There's another kind, similar,
but not quite the same.

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You can have a freefall
into the tail box.

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The sediment collects.

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The water gets recirculated.

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And you have to keep adding
sediment at the upstream end.

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They both work.

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They're useful for
different purposes.

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But that's basically what--

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this was my living,
basically, for decades.

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So in a very general way,
this is what you would see.

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This is the first cut.

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With increasing flow velocity,
we finally get to the point

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where sediments move.

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Ripples develop.

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This is the right medium--
fine to medium sand.

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And then eventually
they disappear

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and dunes form, larger features.

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Then it all washes
out to a plain bed.

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And eventually, if the
water is shallow enough

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and the velocity is high
enough, you get antidunes.

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You may have heard
of these terms.

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I don't know.

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But we'll deal with them.

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And I want to introduce the
concept of flow regimes.

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This is something
that developed mainly

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among hydraulic engineers.

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There's a lower flow regime
and an upper flow regime.

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The lower flow
regime are examples

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of a rugged bed, a rugged
bed of ripples and dunes.

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And they wash out
to have a plain bed.

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And that's called the
upper flow regime.

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Just it's a
terminological matter.

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You should know about it.

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So ripples-- it's
pretty clear, I guess.

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I do have a pointer here.

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That's the crest, trough,
trough, et cetera.

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This is called
the stoss surface.

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And this is called
the lee surface.

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It's just terminology.

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But we'll be using that.

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And typically, what happens
you'll see in a moment.

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Sediment comes up to
the crest, gets dumped,

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slides down in little miniature
gravity flows, grain flows,

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to cause the slip
face to advance.

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That's very cartoonish.

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But now this tells you a little
bit more about what's going--

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and this is sort of complicated.

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The flow is from left to right.

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There's a ripple profile.

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These little arrows
going up the stoss side

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are bedload
transport, basically.

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This can be stuff in
suspension as well.

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And for reasons I'll tell you
in a minute, a lot of sediment--

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some sediment can get
suspended in the trough

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and continues on
as suspended load.

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The grains reach the
crest, flow down.

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So that helps.

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But this is going to be
better to understand.

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Here's a crest, a trough.

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The flow is this way.

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So the flow separates.

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I told you about
that in the last one.

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They separate.

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The flow separates as the
turbulent shear layer develops

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a wake, an expanding wake,
which, incidentally, has

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to go far, far down the flow--

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I may have mentioned it-- before
it comes back to invisibility.

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And you get a rotating
vortex in there,

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which tends to carry sediment
up onto at least the lower

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part of the slip face.

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And keep that in mind.

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And then the wake
reattaches at this point.

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And then it's-- flow up the
stoss side of the next ripple.

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That's typically
how ripples work.

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But ripples are very changeable.

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They're fickle things.

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They move along and
sometimes disappear.

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A new ripple forms.

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Ripples can divide into two,
or they can merge together.

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And so we did this once.

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This is a cartoon.

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But we did this once, stationed
a whole lot of students

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down along the flume.

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And each one of them
keeps track of a ripple

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as a function of time, along
with a scale along the--

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and then we plot it all up.

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And these are the-- what
do you want to call them--

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the trajectories of ripples.

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And you can see how
they come and go.

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They divide.

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They merge.

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They disappear.

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They reappear.

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So they're very
changeable things.

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This is just a
non-climbing ripple.

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There's a train of
ripples along a surface.

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But if the sediment
is not much available,

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if not enough sediment
is available to maintain

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the ripples, you get what's
called starved ripples.

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And I'll show you a nice
slide of starved ripples.

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But if the bed is aggrading
while the ripples are moving,

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then we build up the
bed in the form of what

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are called climbing ripples.

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Each ripple climbs up
the back of the last one.

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This is a little fakey
because they don't throw

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right up on top, typically.

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But they can shear off
the top of the ripple

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and be deposited on that.

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I'll get to that very soon.

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I'm going to show you
some photos of how ripples

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develop from a planar bed.

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It's an interesting problem.

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You're going to see that they--
first, they're two-dimensional.

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And then they're
three-dimensional.

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Now, this is tricky.

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This is a hydraulics term.

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Two-dimensional features are
those that have straight crests.

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And so they look the same
at every flow-parallel

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cross-section.

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Three-dimensional features,
that I'm going to talk,

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but every section is
going to look different.

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So there's 2D bedforms,
and there's 3D bedforms.

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That can confuse people if they
don't-- if they're thinking

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in a different way.

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And this is sort of like what I
said about saltation and wind.

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The flow velocity needed for--
to keep pre-existing ripples

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going is a lot less than
the need for initiation

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of plane bed.

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And again, because the
sediment is already in motion--

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has already created
these features.

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And so they keep
operating until finally,

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the current gets so low
that the ripples shut off.

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And you get a static
bed configuration.

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And you may have sediment
coming along, draping it.

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There's a lot of draping
involved, sometimes.

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This would be a not
quite starved ripple.

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There's a nice ripple
moving from left to right.

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And you can see that the trough
is almost bare of sediment.

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And the next ripple over here,
which isn't in the picture,

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looks a lot like the one
you were just looking at--

00:24:01.140 --> 00:24:03.420 align:middle line:84%
so almost starved,
but not quite.

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It's from northern Maine.

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This is from my flume.

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It's about a meter wide
flow from top to bottom.

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That's a foot rule there.

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And you can see that the ripples
have very irregular shapes.

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But they're dominantly
flow transverse.

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And I want to especially point
out that there are deep troughs.

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Here's a trough
with water in it.

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Here's a trough with water.

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And it's reflecting a light.

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And that's going to
figure importantly

00:24:32.760 --> 00:24:35.500 align:middle line:84%
when we talk about sedimentary
structures produced

00:24:35.500 --> 00:24:39.540 align:middle line:84%
by movement of ripples during
aggradation, during bed

00:24:39.540 --> 00:24:41.380 align:middle line:90%
aggradation--

00:24:41.380 --> 00:24:43.383 align:middle line:90%
nice picture of ripples.

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Here's a side view
of the ripples.

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And you can see this
is in very fine sand.

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And it had some fine
organic matter in it.

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And so that accentuates
the foreset.

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Those are foreset laminae.

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The foreset is toward the flow.

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And the backset is on
the back of the ripple.

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And they're dominantly
flow transverse.

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But you can see they're
rather irregular--

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classic ripple picture.

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I have some pictures
from the ancient.

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Sometimes, you see bedding
surfaces that are rippled,

00:25:16.300 --> 00:25:19.100 align:middle line:90%
which are nice to see.

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I wish I'd put a scale in this.

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It's a closeup of ripples.

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And you can see the sharp
crests, the irregular shapes,

00:25:29.160 --> 00:25:32.940 align:middle line:84%
planform shapes, the deep
troughs here and there.

00:25:32.940 --> 00:25:36.380 align:middle line:84%
That gives you the
essence of these ripples.

00:25:36.380 --> 00:25:39.240 align:middle line:84%
There's another bedding plane
from the Dakota sandstone.

00:25:39.240 --> 00:25:42.460 align:middle line:90%


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A closeup-- I can't
remember where I took that.

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But it's a nice closeup
of a curved crest

00:25:48.540 --> 00:25:50.000 align:middle line:90%
of a ripple and a trough.

00:25:50.000 --> 00:25:54.180 align:middle line:90%


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Sometimes, you see
an interesting thing

00:25:56.060 --> 00:25:58.260 align:middle line:90%
called linguoid ripples.

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I've seen this very seldom.

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I saw this once in Utah,
near the Green River.

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They're shaped
convex downstream.

00:26:12.580 --> 00:26:15.800 align:middle line:84%
But they come
together and be just--

00:26:15.800 --> 00:26:22.640 align:middle line:84%
the crest is just downstream
of the next trough upstream.

00:26:22.640 --> 00:26:24.400 align:middle line:84%
So they have a very
regular pattern.

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I don't understand it at all.

00:26:26.180 --> 00:26:27.515 align:middle line:90%
But it's not very common.

00:26:27.515 --> 00:26:29.640 align:middle line:84%
There's something going on
that I don't understand.

00:26:29.640 --> 00:26:32.280 align:middle line:84%
And I don't think anybody
else understands, either.

00:26:32.280 --> 00:26:36.620 align:middle line:90%


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Spacing ripples is almost
always in the range

00:26:41.300 --> 00:26:43.740 align:middle line:90%
of 10 to 15 centimeters.

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It depends on the grain size.

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The spacing is a weakly
increasing function

00:26:49.780 --> 00:26:53.460 align:middle line:84%
of the sediment size
within the range of flow

00:26:53.460 --> 00:26:54.920 align:middle line:90%
for which ripples are formed.

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But they're very stable
in this size range.

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So if you see
something much bigger,

00:27:00.980 --> 00:27:02.300 align:middle line:90%
you know it's not a ripple.

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Now, on other planets,
this may be different.

00:27:04.840 --> 00:27:08.140 align:middle line:84%
And I'll make a brief
mention of that later.

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All right.

00:27:08.640 --> 00:27:10.580 align:middle line:90%
So we did this experiment.

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This was, I think,
the second paper

00:27:12.580 --> 00:27:15.560 align:middle line:84%
I ever published with one
of my graduate students.

00:27:15.560 --> 00:27:17.540 align:middle line:90%
A guy did a master's thesis.

00:27:17.540 --> 00:27:21.500 align:middle line:84%
And we're looking down on a
planar sediment bed in the flume

00:27:21.500 --> 00:27:23.280 align:middle line:90%
and make a little indentation.

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And that indentation
produces erosion deposition

00:27:26.860 --> 00:27:29.150 align:middle line:90%
to produce an incipient ripple.

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And that one
triggers two others.

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And you can see that
it keeps on going.

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And eventually, it
fills the whole channel.

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And I'll show you
that in a minute.

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Bob?

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AUDIENCE: So that sort of looks
like your linguoid ripples

00:27:39.810 --> 00:27:40.930 align:middle line:90%
that you showed before.

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JOHN SOUTHARD: Well,
sort of like, yes.

00:27:42.555 --> 00:27:45.710 align:middle line:84%
But this gallops off
into total irregularity.

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Why it stays regular
in that pattern

00:27:49.370 --> 00:27:53.730 align:middle line:84%
when the ripples are fully
established, I don't know.

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I think it's an
interesting question.

00:27:56.230 --> 00:28:02.810 align:middle line:84%
So my colleague, Venditti,
and Mike Church, his advisor,

00:28:02.810 --> 00:28:05.290 align:middle line:84%
did an interesting
study in which they

00:28:05.290 --> 00:28:06.470 align:middle line:90%
did the same kind of thing.

00:28:06.470 --> 00:28:07.450 align:middle line:90%
They triggered it.

00:28:07.450 --> 00:28:09.010 align:middle line:84%
And it expanded
somewhat differently

00:28:09.010 --> 00:28:12.290 align:middle line:90%
from what I showed you.

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The initial ripples are
almost two-dimensional,

00:28:15.485 --> 00:28:17.610 align:middle line:84%
although there are some
irregularly developing down

00:28:17.610 --> 00:28:17.870 align:middle line:90%
here.

00:28:17.870 --> 00:28:19.970 align:middle line:84%
But you could see if you
went far enough down,

00:28:19.970 --> 00:28:23.085 align:middle line:84%
it would develop into
three-dimensionality.

00:28:23.085 --> 00:28:23.710 align:middle line:90%
Here's another.

00:28:23.710 --> 00:28:25.730 align:middle line:84%
Here's a closeup-- we
did this ourselves--

00:28:25.730 --> 00:28:29.490 align:middle line:84%
in which you can see that
the ripples are just--

00:28:29.490 --> 00:28:31.390 align:middle line:84%
flow from right to--
from left to right.

00:28:31.390 --> 00:28:33.650 align:middle line:84%
Ripples are just
forming each other.

00:28:33.650 --> 00:28:35.390 align:middle line:84%
And at first, as
they're growing,

00:28:35.390 --> 00:28:36.930 align:middle line:90%
they're two-dimensional.

00:28:36.930 --> 00:28:39.210 align:middle line:84%
They're already getting
three-dimensional.

00:28:39.210 --> 00:28:41.210 align:middle line:84%
The ones that are
older are already

00:28:41.210 --> 00:28:43.970 align:middle line:90%
getting three-dimensional.

00:28:43.970 --> 00:28:45.090 align:middle line:90%
Yeah, so we--

00:28:45.090 --> 00:28:47.170 align:middle line:84%
AUDIENCE: --might be a
naive question, but--

00:28:47.170 --> 00:28:47.830 align:middle line:90%
JOHN SOUTHARD: I'm sorry?

00:28:47.830 --> 00:28:49.570 align:middle line:84%
AUDIENCE: This might
be a naive question.

00:28:49.570 --> 00:28:50.950 align:middle line:84%
JOHN SOUTHARD: There
are no naive questions.

00:28:50.950 --> 00:28:52.783 align:middle line:84%
AUDIENCE: How do you
tell the flow direction

00:28:52.783 --> 00:28:54.310 align:middle line:84%
from the configuration
of the bed?

00:28:54.310 --> 00:28:55.890 align:middle line:84%
And can you always
tell what the--

00:28:55.890 --> 00:28:57.015 align:middle line:90%
JOHN SOUTHARD: Yes, always.

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Remember, go back
to the cross-section

00:28:58.770 --> 00:29:00.290 align:middle line:90%
of a typical ripple.

00:29:00.290 --> 00:29:04.610 align:middle line:84%
So the upstream, stoss side
is always fairly gentle.

00:29:04.610 --> 00:29:09.070 align:middle line:84%
The downstream side typically is
at or near the angle of repose,

00:29:09.070 --> 00:29:11.550 align:middle line:84%
although it can be
smoothed out a little bit.

00:29:11.550 --> 00:29:19.970 align:middle line:84%
So that's a good word for it,
the definitive parallel current

00:29:19.970 --> 00:29:21.610 align:middle line:90%
indicator.

00:29:21.610 --> 00:29:23.030 align:middle line:90%
I'm glad you pointed that out.

00:29:23.030 --> 00:29:26.130 align:middle line:90%


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Here's another example in which
the ripples down here-- they're

00:29:31.303 --> 00:29:31.970 align:middle line:90%
already forming.

00:29:31.970 --> 00:29:34.050 align:middle line:84%
And they're
two-dimensional, gradually

00:29:34.050 --> 00:29:36.250 align:middle line:84%
passing into pretty--
three-dimensional.

00:29:36.250 --> 00:29:37.310 align:middle line:90%
It's pretty typical.

00:29:37.310 --> 00:29:39.930 align:middle line:90%


00:29:39.930 --> 00:29:41.050 align:middle line:90%
I love this photo.

00:29:41.050 --> 00:29:46.250 align:middle line:84%
I took this photo on a
tidal sandbar at low tide

00:29:46.250 --> 00:29:47.670 align:middle line:90%
up there at Plum Island.

00:29:47.670 --> 00:29:49.990 align:middle line:84%
And you can see
this is a lens cap.

00:29:49.990 --> 00:29:51.930 align:middle line:90%
And those are bird tracks.

00:29:51.930 --> 00:29:53.810 align:middle line:84%
And the same kind of
thing was happening

00:29:53.810 --> 00:29:56.390 align:middle line:90%
on this planar surface.

00:29:56.390 --> 00:29:59.730 align:middle line:84%
As the tide changed and
it came across the bar

00:29:59.730 --> 00:30:03.850 align:middle line:84%
and increased in velocity, it
produced these growing patterns

00:30:03.850 --> 00:30:05.890 align:middle line:84%
of ripples, which
eventually would

00:30:05.890 --> 00:30:10.890 align:middle line:84%
have merged and become a
total three-dimensional field.

00:30:10.890 --> 00:30:15.970 align:middle line:84%
What was always--
mystified me is,

00:30:15.970 --> 00:30:18.890 align:middle line:84%
why did we have a nice
totally planar bed

00:30:18.890 --> 00:30:21.250 align:middle line:90%
surface in the first place?

00:30:21.250 --> 00:30:23.450 align:middle line:84%
Somehow, during
the falling tide,

00:30:23.450 --> 00:30:26.610 align:middle line:84%
it went from high-velocity
flow plane bed

00:30:26.610 --> 00:30:30.210 align:middle line:84%
to being exposed without
developing ripples

00:30:30.210 --> 00:30:31.350 align:middle line:90%
during that time.

00:30:31.350 --> 00:30:31.870 align:middle line:90%
It happened.

00:30:31.870 --> 00:30:33.350 align:middle line:84%
But I'm not sure
how it happened.

00:30:33.350 --> 00:30:36.290 align:middle line:84%
But once we had the plane bed,
once the plane bed was there

00:30:36.290 --> 00:30:38.830 align:middle line:84%
and the tide came in and
velocity increased again,

00:30:38.830 --> 00:30:41.650 align:middle line:84%
it produced new
ripples just like that.

00:30:41.650 --> 00:30:43.630 align:middle line:84%
It looks like dinosaur
tracks, doesn't it?

00:30:43.630 --> 00:30:44.610 align:middle line:90%
[LAUGHING]

00:30:44.610 --> 00:30:46.050 align:middle line:90%


00:30:46.050 --> 00:30:50.250 align:middle line:84%
Now, here's a mystery
slide for you.

00:30:50.250 --> 00:30:52.783 align:middle line:84%
This is a parting
surface in a sandstone.

00:30:52.783 --> 00:30:54.450 align:middle line:84%
You can see the parting
lineation, which

00:30:54.450 --> 00:30:57.410 align:middle line:84%
I'll mention later, gives you
the flow direction-- or the flow

00:30:57.410 --> 00:30:58.690 align:middle line:90%
orientation.

00:30:58.690 --> 00:31:03.450 align:middle line:84%
And here are these depressions
with little ridge marks

00:31:03.450 --> 00:31:05.770 align:middle line:90%
that are--

00:31:05.770 --> 00:31:09.450 align:middle line:84%
if this is a ripple trough
that just was starting to form,

00:31:09.450 --> 00:31:10.930 align:middle line:84%
you can see the
curvature is such

00:31:10.930 --> 00:31:12.682 align:middle line:84%
that the flow is
in that direction.

00:31:12.682 --> 00:31:13.890 align:middle line:90%
I think I'm right about that.

00:31:13.890 --> 00:31:16.330 align:middle line:84%
And I've never seen
anything like that before.

00:31:16.330 --> 00:31:18.193 align:middle line:84%
Just this one time
I've seen this.

00:31:18.193 --> 00:31:19.610 align:middle line:84%
It gives you an
idea what could be

00:31:19.610 --> 00:31:22.150 align:middle line:84%
happening when the ripples
are just getting going.

00:31:22.150 --> 00:31:24.840 align:middle line:90%


00:31:24.840 --> 00:31:30.680 align:middle line:84%
There's a really good paper
in 2014 by my close colleague,

00:31:30.680 --> 00:31:35.220 align:middle line:84%
Mauricio Perillo, on
genesis of ripples,

00:31:35.220 --> 00:31:37.553 align:middle line:84%
both unidirectional flow,
oscillatory flow, and combined

00:31:37.553 --> 00:31:38.053 align:middle line:90%
flow.

00:31:38.053 --> 00:31:39.140 align:middle line:90%
It's a really nice paper.

00:31:39.140 --> 00:31:41.760 align:middle line:90%


00:31:41.760 --> 00:31:44.080 align:middle line:84%
Now let's talk
about barchan dunes.

00:31:44.080 --> 00:31:46.800 align:middle line:84%
It looks like I'm changing
the subject, but not entirely.

00:31:46.800 --> 00:31:48.620 align:middle line:84%
You probably know what
a barchan dune is.

00:31:48.620 --> 00:31:51.160 align:middle line:84%
In the desert, you find
these masses of sediment

00:31:51.160 --> 00:31:56.480 align:middle line:84%
with horns tailing
off downstream.

00:31:56.480 --> 00:31:57.500 align:middle line:90%
That's just a diagram.

00:31:57.500 --> 00:32:00.560 align:middle line:90%
You've seen that before.

00:32:00.560 --> 00:32:05.600 align:middle line:84%
We made them in a flume in
very coarse silt underwater.

00:32:05.600 --> 00:32:09.340 align:middle line:84%
Now, this channel is
only 17 centimeters wide.

00:32:09.340 --> 00:32:11.340 align:middle line:90%
So these are very small dunes.

00:32:11.340 --> 00:32:14.520 align:middle line:84%
And my feeling is we
had a sand surface.

00:32:14.520 --> 00:32:19.600 align:middle line:84%
It was actually coarse silt. It
was even finer than sand size.

00:32:19.600 --> 00:32:21.340 align:middle line:84%
And it was just
about a threshold.

00:32:21.340 --> 00:32:22.980 align:middle line:90%
And some grains started to move.

00:32:22.980 --> 00:32:24.720 align:middle line:90%
But most grains weren't moving.

00:32:24.720 --> 00:32:28.590 align:middle line:84%
And I think that the
origin of the barchans

00:32:28.590 --> 00:32:30.080 align:middle line:84%
is there's some
place where there's

00:32:30.080 --> 00:32:33.960 align:middle line:84%
enough irregularity in the bed
to catch some of the moving

00:32:33.960 --> 00:32:34.720 align:middle line:90%
grains.

00:32:34.720 --> 00:32:38.760 align:middle line:84%
And the moving grains
then build a structure

00:32:38.760 --> 00:32:44.180 align:middle line:84%
with a stoss slope and
a lee slope downstream.

00:32:44.180 --> 00:32:47.280 align:middle line:84%
And I think the horns are
there because the flow starts

00:32:47.280 --> 00:32:51.000 align:middle line:84%
to diverge and carries
sand around both sides

00:32:51.000 --> 00:32:52.960 align:middle line:90%
to make the horns.

00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:55.585 align:middle line:84%
And I'd have to go back
and read Bagnold's book

00:32:55.585 --> 00:32:56.460 align:middle line:90%
to make sure of that.

00:32:56.460 --> 00:32:58.440 align:middle line:90%
But I think that's how it works.

00:32:58.440 --> 00:32:59.900 align:middle line:90%
And these are very small.

00:32:59.900 --> 00:33:01.020 align:middle line:90%
It's like this size.

00:33:01.020 --> 00:33:04.440 align:middle line:90%


00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:07.380 align:middle line:84%
This is what I just told you
about how they might form.

00:33:07.380 --> 00:33:10.060 align:middle line:84%
But that's my picture
of it, anyway.

00:33:10.060 --> 00:33:13.000 align:middle line:90%


00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:14.660 align:middle line:84%
This is my favorite
current ripple.

00:33:14.660 --> 00:33:15.840 align:middle line:90%
I love this ripple.

00:33:15.840 --> 00:33:16.880 align:middle line:90%
We made it in a flume.

00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:18.440 align:middle line:90%
And I took a nice photo of it.

00:33:18.440 --> 00:33:20.120 align:middle line:90%
These are centimeters down here.

00:33:20.120 --> 00:33:22.780 align:middle line:84%
So here are all the features
that I was telling you about.

00:33:22.780 --> 00:33:28.280 align:middle line:84%
We have a stoss
surface, a lee surface.

00:33:28.280 --> 00:33:31.700 align:middle line:84%
The sand is transported as
bedload up to the crest.

00:33:31.700 --> 00:33:35.280 align:middle line:90%


00:33:35.280 --> 00:33:39.000 align:middle line:84%
It moves down by way of
little miniature grain flows

00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:41.040 align:middle line:90%
out into the trough.

00:33:41.040 --> 00:33:44.160 align:middle line:84%
But you can see that there is
some sediment being carried

00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:48.520 align:middle line:84%
back up onto the lee side by
the reverse flow in the wake

00:33:48.520 --> 00:33:49.660 align:middle line:90%
that I told you about.

00:33:49.660 --> 00:33:52.880 align:middle line:84%
And you can see how if
you follow laminae down,

00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:55.620 align:middle line:90%
they tail out and get planar.

00:33:55.620 --> 00:33:57.280 align:middle line:90%
And you can see that--

00:33:57.280 --> 00:34:03.200 align:middle line:84%
the dark material being
worked up onto the lee slope.

00:34:03.200 --> 00:34:05.640 align:middle line:84%
But there are other
things I can talk about.

00:34:05.640 --> 00:34:10.760 align:middle line:84%
Earlier on, the ripple had a
stoss side which was erosional.

00:34:10.760 --> 00:34:13.520 align:middle line:84%
And in total equilibrium,
the stoss side

00:34:13.520 --> 00:34:15.199 align:middle line:90%
would always be erosional.

00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:18.420 align:middle line:84%
But things happen
upstream somewhere.

00:34:18.420 --> 00:34:19.560 align:middle line:90%
Ripples change.

00:34:19.560 --> 00:34:22.280 align:middle line:84%
The supply of-- local supply
of sediment coming along

00:34:22.280 --> 00:34:24.840 align:middle line:84%
to feed this ripple
can be great enough so

00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:30.880 align:middle line:84%
that now we have a stoss
surface with aggradation.

00:34:30.880 --> 00:34:34.880 align:middle line:84%
Those would be called
foreset stratifications.

00:34:34.880 --> 00:34:36.719 align:middle line:90%
And it goes down on that way.

00:34:36.719 --> 00:34:40.020 align:middle line:84%
The other thing is this ripple
is riding over another one.

00:34:40.020 --> 00:34:42.199 align:middle line:90%
There was an earlier ripple.

00:34:42.199 --> 00:34:43.400 align:middle line:90%
This one came along.

00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:47.340 align:middle line:84%
And its trough eroded down
into the earlier ripple,

00:34:47.340 --> 00:34:49.639 align:middle line:84%
but left some of
the ripple foreset

00:34:49.639 --> 00:34:51.280 align:middle line:90%
from the previous ripple.

00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:53.620 align:middle line:84%
You get a lot out of
this picture, I think.

00:34:53.620 --> 00:34:56.600 align:middle line:90%


00:34:56.600 --> 00:34:58.100 align:middle line:90%
Now let's talk about dunes.

00:34:58.100 --> 00:35:01.040 align:middle line:90%


00:35:01.040 --> 00:35:02.880 align:middle line:90%
Too bad.

00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:05.550 align:middle line:84%
At flow velocity-- no, dunes
are much larger than ripples.

00:35:05.550 --> 00:35:07.820 align:middle line:90%
And I'll get to that.

00:35:07.820 --> 00:35:10.160 align:middle line:84%
Low flow velocities
are two-dimensional

00:35:10.160 --> 00:35:12.300 align:middle line:84%
and-- at higher velocities
are three-dimensional.

00:35:12.300 --> 00:35:14.040 align:middle line:90%
I have some pictures for you.

00:35:14.040 --> 00:35:16.500 align:middle line:84%
Here are 2D dunes in that same
channel that I showed you,

00:35:16.500 --> 00:35:18.520 align:middle line:90%
medium sand.

00:35:18.520 --> 00:35:21.030 align:middle line:84%
They're not perfectly
two-dimensional.

00:35:21.030 --> 00:35:22.310 align:middle line:90%
They're somewhat sinuous.

00:35:22.310 --> 00:35:26.070 align:middle line:84%
But they're close
to being regular,

00:35:26.070 --> 00:35:28.730 align:middle line:84%
whereas at a higher flow
velocity in that same sand,

00:35:28.730 --> 00:35:30.350 align:middle line:84%
in the same channel,
you can see they

00:35:30.350 --> 00:35:31.870 align:middle line:90%
get highly three-dimensional.

00:35:31.870 --> 00:35:35.790 align:middle line:84%
And what I think is important
is to see these deep scour

00:35:35.790 --> 00:35:36.965 align:middle line:90%
pits here and there.

00:35:36.965 --> 00:35:38.590 align:middle line:84%
And they're going to
figure prominently

00:35:38.590 --> 00:35:41.350 align:middle line:84%
in the stratification that
develops when these ripples are

00:35:41.350 --> 00:35:44.350 align:middle line:90%
moving on the bed.

00:35:44.350 --> 00:35:48.810 align:middle line:84%
This is actually a big, big dune
because, first of all, it's big.

00:35:48.810 --> 00:35:51.790 align:middle line:84%
And second, we built
this enormous duct.

00:35:51.790 --> 00:35:54.590 align:middle line:84%
And we ran 80-degree
seawater through it.

00:35:54.590 --> 00:35:56.870 align:middle line:84%
Now, I didn't tell you
about scale modeling.

00:35:56.870 --> 00:35:59.630 align:middle line:84%
And if you want to know, I can
tell you about scale modeling.

00:35:59.630 --> 00:36:03.590 align:middle line:84%
And using the lower viscosity
water gives you a scale ratio

00:36:03.590 --> 00:36:04.990 align:middle line:90%
of about 2 and 1/2.

00:36:04.990 --> 00:36:10.630 align:middle line:84%
So what's going on in here is 2
and 1/2 times as big as it would

00:36:10.630 --> 00:36:13.270 align:middle line:90%
be if we didn't have the water.

00:36:13.270 --> 00:36:15.850 align:middle line:84%
This is about 4 or 5
meters along that distance.

00:36:15.850 --> 00:36:16.770 align:middle line:90%
It's a big dune.

00:36:16.770 --> 00:36:19.510 align:middle line:84%
And you can see the same
way the Dune at first was--

00:36:19.510 --> 00:36:24.470 align:middle line:84%
it had a lot of
curvature, it finally

00:36:24.470 --> 00:36:30.910 align:middle line:84%
built up to a good,
strong stoss surface.

00:36:30.910 --> 00:36:33.190 align:middle line:84%
And you can see
the sediment being

00:36:33.190 --> 00:36:37.010 align:middle line:84%
moved in bedload or low
temporary suspension.

00:36:37.010 --> 00:36:39.390 align:middle line:84%
And when it gets to
the separation point,

00:36:39.390 --> 00:36:42.430 align:middle line:84%
the sediment which was being
carried along to the crest

00:36:42.430 --> 00:36:44.810 align:middle line:84%
is raining out
onto that surface.

00:36:44.810 --> 00:36:46.910 align:middle line:84%
So it's not just a
matter of grain flows

00:36:46.910 --> 00:36:48.050 align:middle line:90%
going on the surface.

00:36:48.050 --> 00:36:50.110 align:middle line:84%
That stuff can be settling
out onto the surface

00:36:50.110 --> 00:36:53.510 align:middle line:90%
at the same time.

00:36:53.510 --> 00:36:54.730 align:middle line:90%
That's not the same dune.

00:36:54.730 --> 00:36:56.950 align:middle line:90%
But it's the same duct.

00:36:56.950 --> 00:37:00.050 align:middle line:84%
In this case, the ripple
was building upward.

00:37:00.050 --> 00:37:02.950 align:middle line:84%
So if you picked the
crest point where

00:37:02.950 --> 00:37:04.630 align:middle line:84%
the-- changes from
this to this, you

00:37:04.630 --> 00:37:07.150 align:middle line:84%
can see it moving upward
as the ripple is growing.

00:37:07.150 --> 00:37:08.670 align:middle line:90%
And you get the same--

00:37:08.670 --> 00:37:09.490 align:middle line:90%
you have same view.

00:37:09.490 --> 00:37:13.290 align:middle line:84%
I love the way this is falling
out in little sheets of sand.

00:37:13.290 --> 00:37:16.390 align:middle line:90%


00:37:16.390 --> 00:37:20.750 align:middle line:84%
Same duct-- this is
an even bigger dune.

00:37:20.750 --> 00:37:22.510 align:middle line:90%
This is all one big dune.

00:37:22.510 --> 00:37:24.950 align:middle line:84%
But there are dunes,
smaller dunes,

00:37:24.950 --> 00:37:28.030 align:middle line:84%
on the big ones, superimposed
upon the big ones.

00:37:28.030 --> 00:37:32.230 align:middle line:84%
And so whenever you have
a stretch of surface,

00:37:32.230 --> 00:37:35.990 align:middle line:84%
whether it's a planar bed or
the back of a very large dune,

00:37:35.990 --> 00:37:38.630 align:middle line:84%
smaller dunes can develop
if they have enough distance

00:37:38.630 --> 00:37:39.250 align:middle line:90%
to develop.

00:37:39.250 --> 00:37:42.210 align:middle line:84%
In this case, you have
superimposed dunes.

00:37:42.210 --> 00:37:45.030 align:middle line:90%


00:37:45.030 --> 00:37:47.410 align:middle line:84%
So 2D dunes-- I don't
remember where I took that.

00:37:47.410 --> 00:37:49.930 align:middle line:84%
It may be up in the North
Shore of Massachusetts.

00:37:49.930 --> 00:37:52.150 align:middle line:90%
But I don't remember for sure.

00:37:52.150 --> 00:37:54.990 align:middle line:84%
This is the Arkansas
River near Tulsa,

00:37:54.990 --> 00:37:57.590 align:middle line:84%
nice two-dimensional
dunes, not very big.

00:37:57.590 --> 00:37:58.610 align:middle line:90%
There's no scale here.

00:37:58.610 --> 00:38:00.390 align:middle line:84%
But you can imagine
from the trees

00:38:00.390 --> 00:38:04.470 align:middle line:84%
what it looked like, with
lots of superimposed ripples.

00:38:04.470 --> 00:38:06.870 align:middle line:90%
Now, that leads to a question.

00:38:06.870 --> 00:38:10.150 align:middle line:84%
Were those ripples in
equilibrium with the dunes

00:38:10.150 --> 00:38:17.150 align:middle line:84%
as the river stage fell and
became exposed subaerially,

00:38:17.150 --> 00:38:22.270 align:middle line:84%
or were they produced when the
flow decreased to the point

00:38:22.270 --> 00:38:25.470 align:middle line:84%
where it couldn't maintain the
dunes, but could make ripples?

00:38:25.470 --> 00:38:27.510 align:middle line:84%
And I don't know how
you tell the difference.

00:38:27.510 --> 00:38:30.310 align:middle line:84%
I know from our
experiments in the lab

00:38:30.310 --> 00:38:33.830 align:middle line:84%
that you can have ripples
superimposed on dunes.

00:38:33.830 --> 00:38:36.430 align:middle line:84%
You can even have
ripples superimposed

00:38:36.430 --> 00:38:39.190 align:middle line:84%
upon dunes, which
themselves are superimposed

00:38:39.190 --> 00:38:40.418 align:middle line:90%
on even larger dunes.

00:38:40.418 --> 00:38:42.210 align:middle line:84%
I don't think you can
go farther than that.

00:38:42.210 --> 00:38:43.090 align:middle line:90%
But you can do that.

00:38:43.090 --> 00:38:44.210 align:middle line:90%
I've seen it happen.

00:38:44.210 --> 00:38:47.170 align:middle line:90%


00:38:47.170 --> 00:38:48.850 align:middle line:84%
So "opportunistic"
is a nice word.

00:38:48.850 --> 00:38:51.490 align:middle line:84%
Current ripples and even
dunes are opportunistic.

00:38:51.490 --> 00:38:53.990 align:middle line:84%
Whenever there's a stretch
of temporarily planar bed,

00:38:53.990 --> 00:38:56.890 align:middle line:84%
there's enough distance, and
enough-- strong enough flow,

00:38:56.890 --> 00:38:58.630 align:middle line:84%
you can make
dunes-- you can make

00:38:58.630 --> 00:39:01.870 align:middle line:84%
ripples of dunes that are
superimposed on other dunes.

00:39:01.870 --> 00:39:05.310 align:middle line:84%
I think "opportunistic" is a
good adjective to use for that.

00:39:05.310 --> 00:39:08.610 align:middle line:84%
Parker River estuary, covered
with ripples-- and again,

00:39:08.610 --> 00:39:11.990 align:middle line:84%
there's the same problem,
whether those ripples

00:39:11.990 --> 00:39:13.990 align:middle line:84%
were in equilibrium
with the dunes

00:39:13.990 --> 00:39:17.460 align:middle line:84%
when the dunes were moving or
superimposed during waning flow.

00:39:17.460 --> 00:39:18.800 align:middle line:90%
I would vote for the latter.

00:39:18.800 --> 00:39:19.740 align:middle line:90%
But I'm not sure.

00:39:19.740 --> 00:39:21.320 align:middle line:90%
That's a meter stick for scale.

00:39:21.320 --> 00:39:24.980 align:middle line:90%


00:39:24.980 --> 00:39:28.820 align:middle line:84%
Another view-- this
is from Bay of Fundy,

00:39:28.820 --> 00:39:32.980 align:middle line:84%
Cobequid Bay, part of the Bay of
Fundy, largely straight-crested.

00:39:32.980 --> 00:39:36.140 align:middle line:90%
You can see superimposed dunes--

00:39:36.140 --> 00:39:39.380 align:middle line:84%
not too clearly, but they're
there-- on the large dune.

00:39:39.380 --> 00:39:41.100 align:middle line:90%
This is an island.

00:39:41.100 --> 00:39:42.820 align:middle line:84%
Isn't that a
strange-looking island?

00:39:42.820 --> 00:39:46.260 align:middle line:84%
The spring tidal range up in
this end of the Bay of Fundy

00:39:46.260 --> 00:39:48.100 align:middle line:90%
is 50 feet.

00:39:48.100 --> 00:39:49.340 align:middle line:90%
Isn't that amazing?

00:39:49.340 --> 00:39:52.260 align:middle line:84%
So when you go work on this,
you have three, four, maybe

00:39:52.260 --> 00:39:53.800 align:middle line:90%
five hours at most to work.

00:39:53.800 --> 00:39:55.760 align:middle line:84%
You have to get off
as the tide comes in.

00:39:55.760 --> 00:39:57.420 align:middle line:84%
And the saying around
the Bay of Fundy

00:39:57.420 --> 00:39:59.720 align:middle line:84%
is, the bay never
gives up its dead.

00:39:59.720 --> 00:40:01.500 align:middle line:90%
[LAUGHING]

00:40:01.500 --> 00:40:03.035 align:middle line:90%
It's tricky.

00:40:03.035 --> 00:40:04.660 align:middle line:84%
Otherwise, you lose--
you swim to shore

00:40:04.660 --> 00:40:07.180 align:middle line:90%
and you lose all your equipment.

00:40:07.180 --> 00:40:08.592 align:middle line:90%
It happens.

00:40:08.592 --> 00:40:09.800 align:middle line:90%
Here's a better view of that.

00:40:09.800 --> 00:40:12.800 align:middle line:84%
Here's a better view, close
to it, from the right to left,

00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:14.900 align:middle line:84%
where you can see
the typical troughs

00:40:14.900 --> 00:40:17.100 align:middle line:84%
of the superimposed
dunes and ripples

00:40:17.100 --> 00:40:18.760 align:middle line:90%
on the superimposed dunes.

00:40:18.760 --> 00:40:22.060 align:middle line:90%


00:40:22.060 --> 00:40:25.740 align:middle line:84%
Another place in the Bay of
Fundy where the flow is stronger

00:40:25.740 --> 00:40:28.560 align:middle line:84%
and it makes
semi-three-dimensional dunes,

00:40:28.560 --> 00:40:30.420 align:middle line:90%
not grossly three-dimensional.

00:40:30.420 --> 00:40:33.820 align:middle line:84%
And you can see as the water--
the water stands in the troughs

00:40:33.820 --> 00:40:34.660 align:middle line:90%
here and there.

00:40:34.660 --> 00:40:39.220 align:middle line:84%
That's Gerry Middleton, my older
colleague, one of my mentors.

00:40:39.220 --> 00:40:41.080 align:middle line:90%
He took me out.

00:40:41.080 --> 00:40:46.020 align:middle line:84%
He had three students working on
the Bay of Fundy at one point.

00:40:46.020 --> 00:40:48.060 align:middle line:84%
Even more
three-dimensional-- there's

00:40:48.060 --> 00:40:51.420 align:middle line:84%
some small river whose name I
don't remember near Atlanta.

00:40:51.420 --> 00:40:53.900 align:middle line:84%
I was there doing
consultation from some guy who

00:40:53.900 --> 00:40:55.660 align:middle line:90%
had a business next to this.

00:40:55.660 --> 00:40:58.100 align:middle line:84%
That's a Dr. Pepper
scan right there--

00:40:58.100 --> 00:40:58.660 align:middle line:90%
can.

00:40:58.660 --> 00:41:01.580 align:middle line:84%
And you can see
the prominent scour

00:41:01.580 --> 00:41:05.800 align:middle line:84%
pits in this three-dimensional
pattern of dunes.

00:41:05.800 --> 00:41:08.500 align:middle line:90%


00:41:08.500 --> 00:41:09.840 align:middle line:90%
Dave Mohrig gave me this.

00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:12.340 align:middle line:84%
You know who Dave
Mohrig is, I guess.

00:41:12.340 --> 00:41:14.400 align:middle line:84%
He did his thesis work
on the Platte River.

00:41:14.400 --> 00:41:16.380 align:middle line:84%
He had a balloon
that he parked in

00:41:16.380 --> 00:41:18.520 align:middle line:90%
some big, cavernous warehouse.

00:41:18.520 --> 00:41:21.380 align:middle line:84%
And every day, he
would bring it out.

00:41:21.380 --> 00:41:22.780 align:middle line:90%
It was inflated.

00:41:22.780 --> 00:41:26.493 align:middle line:90%
And it was positively buoyant.

00:41:26.493 --> 00:41:28.160 align:middle line:84%
He and his assistant
would bring it out,

00:41:28.160 --> 00:41:31.320 align:middle line:84%
park it above the river with
a camera, down-looking camera,

00:41:31.320 --> 00:41:32.460 align:middle line:90%
and they would--

00:41:32.460 --> 00:41:33.600 align:middle line:90%
these are people.

00:41:33.600 --> 00:41:34.680 align:middle line:90%
That's a person.

00:41:34.680 --> 00:41:36.220 align:middle line:90%
That's a person.

00:41:36.220 --> 00:41:37.460 align:middle line:90%
I think that's a person.

00:41:37.460 --> 00:41:39.660 align:middle line:90%
I know that's a person.

00:41:39.660 --> 00:41:42.100 align:middle line:84%
It gives you a good idea
of what ripples really

00:41:42.100 --> 00:41:43.680 align:middle line:90%
look like in a river system.

00:41:43.680 --> 00:41:47.020 align:middle line:90%


00:41:47.020 --> 00:41:48.940 align:middle line:90%
Dunes can get enormous.

00:41:48.940 --> 00:41:52.340 align:middle line:84%
Here we are on the
crest of a big dune

00:41:52.340 --> 00:41:58.060 align:middle line:84%
on the left flank of the
Mississippi River near Kentucky.

00:41:58.060 --> 00:42:00.820 align:middle line:84%
And we're all
standing at the crest.

00:42:00.820 --> 00:42:05.780 align:middle line:84%
And the lee slope
goes way down there.

00:42:05.780 --> 00:42:09.940 align:middle line:84%
So dunes can get as
big as the flow allows.

00:42:09.940 --> 00:42:12.020 align:middle line:84%
You're going to see
very soon that ripples

00:42:12.020 --> 00:42:14.020 align:middle line:90%
form in sands coarser than a--

00:42:14.020 --> 00:42:15.820 align:middle line:84%
finer than about
half a millimeter.

00:42:15.820 --> 00:42:18.080 align:middle line:84%
Dunes can form in a
wider range of sizes.

00:42:18.080 --> 00:42:20.740 align:middle line:84%
We did some experiments at
the University of Tsukuba

00:42:20.740 --> 00:42:23.603 align:middle line:84%
in Japan, north of
Tokyo, using gravels.

00:42:23.603 --> 00:42:25.020 align:middle line:84%
And the reason
they're all colored

00:42:25.020 --> 00:42:27.640 align:middle line:84%
is we colored each
size a different color

00:42:27.640 --> 00:42:32.480 align:middle line:84%
so we could see sorting during
the motion of the dunes.

00:42:32.480 --> 00:42:34.220 align:middle line:84%
And you can see some
of these particles

00:42:34.220 --> 00:42:37.060 align:middle line:84%
are whipping up the
stoss side and being

00:42:37.060 --> 00:42:39.320 align:middle line:90%
projected over the crest.

00:42:39.320 --> 00:42:41.540 align:middle line:84%
And that's the big one
right there that came in.

00:42:41.540 --> 00:42:44.580 align:middle line:84%
It's going to fall
down on the trough.

00:42:44.580 --> 00:42:45.840 align:middle line:90%
It's exciting to watch.

00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:48.460 align:middle line:90%


00:42:48.460 --> 00:42:50.860 align:middle line:90%
We're back to Cobequid Bay.

00:42:50.860 --> 00:42:55.300 align:middle line:84%
We cut a section through
one of these dunes.

00:42:55.300 --> 00:42:56.980 align:middle line:84%
I don't know how
well you can see.

00:42:56.980 --> 00:42:59.900 align:middle line:84%
But you see a set
of laminae up here.

00:42:59.900 --> 00:43:02.260 align:middle line:84%
And you can see a set
of laminae down here.

00:43:02.260 --> 00:43:04.740 align:middle line:84%
And then there are other things
going the other direction.

00:43:04.740 --> 00:43:09.260 align:middle line:84%
And my feeling is that
because of the tide--

00:43:09.260 --> 00:43:13.773 align:middle line:84%
there's a strong
tide going one way.

00:43:13.773 --> 00:43:14.690 align:middle line:90%
And then it shuts off.

00:43:14.690 --> 00:43:16.270 align:middle line:84%
And there's a weaker
tide going the other way,

00:43:16.270 --> 00:43:17.450 align:middle line:90%
current going the other way.

00:43:17.450 --> 00:43:19.170 align:middle line:84%
And it flips things
over and makes

00:43:19.170 --> 00:43:22.590 align:middle line:84%
the inner structure of
this dune very complicated

00:43:22.590 --> 00:43:26.477 align:middle line:84%
rather than being all
nicely regular foresets.

00:43:26.477 --> 00:43:28.310 align:middle line:84%
And that tells you
something about the flow.

00:43:28.310 --> 00:43:29.810 align:middle line:90%
The flow is reversing.

00:43:29.810 --> 00:43:31.070 align:middle line:90%
There's an asymmetry of flow.

00:43:31.070 --> 00:43:35.032 align:middle line:90%
But it's a reversing flow.

00:43:35.032 --> 00:43:36.990 align:middle line:84%
That's the same picture--
shows the same thing.

00:43:36.990 --> 00:43:38.150 align:middle line:84%
I thought this
would look better.

00:43:38.150 --> 00:43:40.030 align:middle line:84%
But the other one
looks pretty good, too.

00:43:40.030 --> 00:43:44.770 align:middle line:90%


00:43:44.770 --> 00:43:48.450 align:middle line:84%
Out offshore, you can
take sonar images.

00:43:48.450 --> 00:43:56.210 align:middle line:90%
We were doing a survey in the--

00:43:56.210 --> 00:44:00.250 align:middle line:84%
what's the name of the water
body between the coast--

00:44:00.250 --> 00:44:02.850 align:middle line:84%
south coast and
Martha's Vineyard?

00:44:02.850 --> 00:44:03.650 align:middle line:90%
Vineyard Sound.

00:44:03.650 --> 00:44:04.150 align:middle line:90%
That's it.

00:44:04.150 --> 00:44:05.510 align:middle line:90%
This is in Vineyard Sound.

00:44:05.510 --> 00:44:10.370 align:middle line:84%
And they look sort of like
the other ones I've shown you.

00:44:10.370 --> 00:44:15.530 align:middle line:84%
Snow dunes-- it was a bitter,
bitter, cold day, January day.

00:44:15.530 --> 00:44:21.850 align:middle line:84%
This was back-- must have been
in the early '70s, mid '70s.

00:44:21.850 --> 00:44:23.550 align:middle line:90%
And I saw these dunes.

00:44:23.550 --> 00:44:26.530 align:middle line:84%
And I couldn't resist going
out on the Harvard Bridge

00:44:26.530 --> 00:44:29.890 align:middle line:84%
on the west side and taking
this photograph of snow dunes

00:44:29.890 --> 00:44:32.650 align:middle line:84%
because snow particles
are particles.

00:44:32.650 --> 00:44:35.090 align:middle line:84%
And they're less dense
than quartz sand.

00:44:35.090 --> 00:44:36.490 align:middle line:90%
They make dunes.

00:44:36.490 --> 00:44:38.150 align:middle line:90%
And they're not all flakes.

00:44:38.150 --> 00:44:43.010 align:middle line:84%
There are all kinds of
different shapes of snowflakes.

00:44:43.010 --> 00:44:48.330 align:middle line:90%
And so I'm glad I did that.

00:44:48.330 --> 00:44:51.210 align:middle line:84%
Now, here's a factor that's
different from ripples.

00:44:51.210 --> 00:44:53.810 align:middle line:84%
The spacing goes
as the flow depth.

00:44:53.810 --> 00:44:57.130 align:middle line:84%
And with a factor of something
like 7 for fully developed

00:44:57.130 --> 00:44:59.850 align:middle line:84%
dunes, if you have a flow,
an open channel flow,

00:44:59.850 --> 00:45:02.210 align:middle line:84%
over a sand bed and you
make dunes, the dunes,

00:45:02.210 --> 00:45:06.370 align:middle line:84%
when they reach equilibrium, are
something like a factor of 1/7

00:45:06.370 --> 00:45:08.330 align:middle line:90%
of the depth of the water.

00:45:08.330 --> 00:45:09.870 align:middle line:90%
It varies, plus or minus.

00:45:09.870 --> 00:45:10.910 align:middle line:90%
But it's-- Lyle?

00:45:10.910 --> 00:45:14.378 align:middle line:84%
AUDIENCE: Is that pure
empirical-- purely empirical?

00:45:14.378 --> 00:45:15.170 align:middle line:90%
JOHN SOUTHARD: Yes.

00:45:15.170 --> 00:45:15.863 align:middle line:90%
Yeah.

00:45:15.863 --> 00:45:17.530 align:middle line:84%
I don't know whether
anybody has tackled

00:45:17.530 --> 00:45:22.010 align:middle line:84%
the problem of predicting why
they're the size they are.

00:45:22.010 --> 00:45:23.090 align:middle line:90%
I don't know.

00:45:23.090 --> 00:45:25.690 align:middle line:84%
But that's a
general observation.

00:45:25.690 --> 00:45:27.290 align:middle line:84%
But of course,
they may be smaller

00:45:27.290 --> 00:45:29.550 align:middle line:84%
because they haven't
fully developed, or may

00:45:29.550 --> 00:45:32.010 align:middle line:84%
be-- they may be larger as
a function of water depth

00:45:32.010 --> 00:45:34.050 align:middle line:90%
because the flow is decreasing.

00:45:34.050 --> 00:45:39.770 align:middle line:84%
But in equilibrium, that's
a pretty good predictor.

00:45:39.770 --> 00:45:40.270 align:middle line:90%
All right.

00:45:40.270 --> 00:45:41.790 align:middle line:90%
Now it's almost time to quit.

00:45:41.790 --> 00:45:44.712 align:middle line:90%
But I'll get started on this.

00:45:44.712 --> 00:45:46.670 align:middle line:84%
Now we're going to do
the dimensional analysis.

00:45:46.670 --> 00:45:49.250 align:middle line:84%
You probably suspected that
I'm going to get into this.

00:45:49.250 --> 00:45:50.890 align:middle line:84%
Remember the-- from
the first lecture,

00:45:50.890 --> 00:45:52.190 align:middle line:90%
you do dimensional analysis?

00:45:52.190 --> 00:45:54.530 align:middle line:84%
And it's very useful
as a framework.

00:45:54.530 --> 00:45:56.170 align:middle line:90%
So what do we have to deal with?

00:45:56.170 --> 00:45:58.330 align:middle line:84%
Well, depth and
velocity of flow,

00:45:58.330 --> 00:46:03.370 align:middle line:84%
obviously, particle
size, fluid density.

00:46:03.370 --> 00:46:05.150 align:middle line:84%
And you know what I
forgot in this slide?

00:46:05.150 --> 00:46:07.730 align:middle line:90%


00:46:07.730 --> 00:46:09.130 align:middle line:90%
The viscosity of the water.

00:46:09.130 --> 00:46:13.010 align:middle line:84%
Sediment density, specific
weight, and gravity, g--

00:46:13.010 --> 00:46:15.390 align:middle line:84%
Now, I don't want
to belabor this.

00:46:15.390 --> 00:46:17.858 align:middle line:84%
But you clearly need
the specific weight,

00:46:17.858 --> 00:46:19.650 align:middle line:84%
the weight per unit
volume of the sediment,

00:46:19.650 --> 00:46:20.470 align:middle line:90%
because it has a weight.

00:46:20.470 --> 00:46:21.670 align:middle line:90%
That's what makes it fall.

00:46:21.670 --> 00:46:25.610 align:middle line:84%
But you also need the
fluid density in itself

00:46:25.610 --> 00:46:26.830 align:middle line:90%
because of inertia.

00:46:26.830 --> 00:46:29.330 align:middle line:84%
And I'll talk about
that in a minute.

00:46:29.330 --> 00:46:30.430 align:middle line:90%
But I left off--

00:46:30.430 --> 00:46:33.610 align:middle line:90%
I knocked off the viscosity.

00:46:33.610 --> 00:46:37.010 align:middle line:84%
So I got to think about
that for next time.

00:46:37.010 --> 00:46:40.330 align:middle line:84%
So why do we need specific
weight rather than just density

00:46:40.330 --> 00:46:41.770 align:middle line:90%
and viscosity?

00:46:41.770 --> 00:46:43.990 align:middle line:84%
Well, it has to
do with buoyancy.

00:46:43.990 --> 00:46:46.030 align:middle line:84%
You know about
Archimedes' principle,

00:46:46.030 --> 00:46:48.850 align:middle line:84%
I guess, about buoyancy,
why things pop up

00:46:48.850 --> 00:46:50.910 align:middle line:84%
when they're less
dense in the water,

00:46:50.910 --> 00:46:53.650 align:middle line:84%
because the water
pressure forces above

00:46:53.650 --> 00:46:56.590 align:middle line:84%
are less than the water
pressure forces below.

00:46:56.590 --> 00:46:58.490 align:middle line:90%
And they go up to the surface.

00:46:58.490 --> 00:47:01.610 align:middle line:84%
He's one of my all-time heroes,
Archimedes, one of the greatest

00:47:01.610 --> 00:47:03.050 align:middle line:90%
minds in human history.

00:47:03.050 --> 00:47:07.360 align:middle line:84%
Anyway, so given that, you
need sediment density as well

00:47:07.360 --> 00:47:08.780 align:middle line:90%
as the weight per unit volume.

00:47:08.780 --> 00:47:09.320 align:middle line:90%
Why?

00:47:09.320 --> 00:47:13.000 align:middle line:84%
Because solid particles moving
through the flow to the fluid

00:47:13.000 --> 00:47:14.040 align:middle line:90%
have inertia.

00:47:14.040 --> 00:47:19.760 align:middle line:84%
They want to travel in straight
lines without any interruption.

00:47:19.760 --> 00:47:24.160 align:middle line:84%
And so this inertial
effect is really separate

00:47:24.160 --> 00:47:26.200 align:middle line:84%
and had to be in
addition to the-- and so

00:47:26.200 --> 00:47:29.080 align:middle line:90%
I did a thought experiment.

00:47:29.080 --> 00:47:31.040 align:middle line:90%
We're in a spaceship--

00:47:31.040 --> 00:47:34.360 align:middle line:90%
no gravity, a big tank of water.

00:47:34.360 --> 00:47:35.600 align:middle line:90%
You can do that.

00:47:35.600 --> 00:47:39.640 align:middle line:84%
And then you have a
little port-- gunport

00:47:39.640 --> 00:47:44.440 align:middle line:84%
that you shoot a particle, a
dense particle, into the water.

00:47:44.440 --> 00:47:45.740 align:middle line:90%
Now, it has no weight at all.

00:47:45.740 --> 00:47:46.407 align:middle line:90%
It's weightless.

00:47:46.407 --> 00:47:47.320 align:middle line:90%
It's no weight.

00:47:47.320 --> 00:47:50.600 align:middle line:84%
But it still interacts
with the fluid in the tank.

00:47:50.600 --> 00:47:52.198 align:middle line:90%
It has inertia.

00:47:52.198 --> 00:47:53.740 align:middle line:84%
If the flow is
turbulent in the tank,

00:47:53.740 --> 00:47:55.020 align:middle line:90%
it would want to make it move.

00:47:55.020 --> 00:47:56.820 align:middle line:84%
But it has this inertia--
does this thing.

00:47:56.820 --> 00:47:59.560 align:middle line:84%
So you need density as
well as specific weight.

00:47:59.560 --> 00:48:00.940 align:middle line:90%
That's a side point, I guess.

00:48:00.940 --> 00:48:03.440 align:middle line:90%
But it's important to deal with.

00:48:03.440 --> 00:48:08.920 align:middle line:84%
So there are various ways
of non-dimensionalizing.

00:48:08.920 --> 00:48:11.600 align:middle line:84%
Remember Buckingham's
theorem that I mentioned

00:48:11.600 --> 00:48:15.160 align:middle line:90%
in the first presentation?

00:48:15.160 --> 00:48:17.640 align:middle line:84%
And there are various
ways of doing it.

00:48:17.640 --> 00:48:20.880 align:middle line:84%
But the way that's most useful
for us as sedimentologists

00:48:20.880 --> 00:48:23.640 align:middle line:84%
is to non-dimensionalize
the flow depth and the flow

00:48:23.640 --> 00:48:25.500 align:middle line:90%
velocity and the sediment size.

00:48:25.500 --> 00:48:29.000 align:middle line:84%
And of course, you have
the density ratio, too.

00:48:29.000 --> 00:48:34.440 align:middle line:84%
And so the natural thing would
be, and we're going to do it--

00:48:34.440 --> 00:48:37.600 align:middle line:84%
oh, incidentally, I
don't know whether you--

00:48:37.600 --> 00:48:40.160 align:middle line:90%
I said that you can do this.

00:48:40.160 --> 00:48:42.120 align:middle line:84%
And there's a little
section in the notes,

00:48:42.120 --> 00:48:45.160 align:middle line:84%
if you want to look at my
notes, on how you do it.

00:48:45.160 --> 00:48:46.260 align:middle line:90%
It's a simple procedure.

00:48:46.260 --> 00:48:48.520 align:middle line:84%
You pick out three
repeating variables.

00:48:48.520 --> 00:48:51.947 align:middle line:84%
And the rest fall into place
to make these dimensionless.

00:48:51.947 --> 00:48:53.780 align:middle line:84%
And it's just basically
high school algebra.

00:48:53.780 --> 00:48:57.520 align:middle line:84%
It's easy to do,
just so you know.

00:48:57.520 --> 00:48:59.240 align:middle line:84%
So we can draw
three-dimensional--

00:48:59.240 --> 00:49:02.240 align:middle line:84%
dimensionless diagram--
dimensionless flow

00:49:02.240 --> 00:49:04.100 align:middle line:84%
velocity, dimensionless
flow depth,

00:49:04.100 --> 00:49:05.580 align:middle line:90%
dimensionless sediment size.

00:49:05.580 --> 00:49:08.720 align:middle line:84%
And we can make sections
through it in various ways.

00:49:08.720 --> 00:49:11.295 align:middle line:84%
I'm going to be almost
out of time here.

00:49:11.295 --> 00:49:12.420 align:middle line:90%
And I'm going to show you--

00:49:12.420 --> 00:49:14.795 align:middle line:84%
I think this is probably where
I'm going to have to quit.

00:49:14.795 --> 00:49:17.640 align:middle line:84%
I want to show you some
sections, some depth velocity

00:49:17.640 --> 00:49:22.080 align:middle line:84%
sections for a given grain size
and some velocity size sections

00:49:22.080 --> 00:49:23.720 align:middle line:90%
for a given flow depth.

00:49:23.720 --> 00:49:25.500 align:middle line:90%
I did this long ago.

00:49:25.500 --> 00:49:28.760 align:middle line:84%
And I got all the
literature data I could find

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and plotted up some of
these section graphs.

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And I'm going to say quite
a bit more about them.

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But I have to quit.

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So this is a good place to stop.

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And so any further questions?

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AUDIENCE: I was wondering if
I could ask a quick question

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about [INAUDIBLE]?

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JOHN SOUTHARD: I wish people
would ask more questions here.

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AUDIENCE: So is it well
understood why you jump from

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ripple spacing to dune
spacing without some gradual--

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are you going to get--

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JOHN SOUTHARD: I think
I have a slide in here.

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There's a spectral gap between
the standard ripple size

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and dune size, which is always
larger than the ripple size.

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But they vary with
flow conditions.

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And that's the way it is.

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And I'm getting ahead of myself.

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But I'll say that there
have been various attempts

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to do theoretical
solutions to figure out

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the mechanics of why there are
ripples and why there are dunes.

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And I've read through
the literature.

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I can't tell you anything
really intelligent about it.

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But you do a stability analysis.

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You start out with a planar bed.

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You introduce a disturbance.

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Is the disturbance--
is wiped out

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as for when we're dealing with
high-speed plane bed flow,

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or does it magnify itself until
it reaches an equilibrium?

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And there have been several
attempts at stability analyses

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like that.

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And we just have to
accept that it works

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that way for our purposes.

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That's all I can say about it.

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Does that make sense to you?

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AUDIENCE: Yeah.

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JOHN SOUTHARD: All right.

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So I will hope to see
you-- oh, I'm sorry.

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Kristen?

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AUDIENCE: I have one more.

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And so I can
understand in a flume

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that you're most often
starting from a lower plane

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bed that gets disturbed--

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JOHN SOUTHARD: Well,
typically, you screed the bed.

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You use a screed.

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You mount a blade that goes a
little bit deeper in the sand.

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And you run it down some guide
bars parallel to the bottom.

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And you screed it off very
nicely, and you start.

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But of course,
that's unrealistic.

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It seldom works.

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And I showed you the
dinosaur footprints.

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Sometimes, it works.

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Yes?

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AUDIENCE: So the beach example--
how often is it an upper plane

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bed that then you initiate
ripples from as opposed

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to a lower plane bed,
like in a storm to--

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JOHN SOUTHARD: Oh,
well, if you're dealing

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with pretty fine sands--

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you will see soon, in
the next few slides,

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that there's a range of flow
for which there's no movement,

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and then ripples set in.

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And then there's plain
bed and no dunes.

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Dunes don't develop
in very fine sands.

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And so then you could wash
the ripples out to plain bed.

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And then if the flow
velocity decreases again,

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you develop ripples on it.

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I have a slide that shows
that that we did in the lab.

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So does that answer
your question?

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AUDIENCE: Yeah.

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JOHN SOUTHARD: So I hope
to see you next week.

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But if not, it'll be maybe the
week after, or maybe even later.

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So we're about halfway through
this PowerPoint number 3.

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And that'll leave us,
I think, enough time

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to do all of number 4, which
is pretty long and heavy.

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