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SPEAKER: And Juliet, we can't
wait to hear about the model.

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JULIET SIMPSON: Maybe?

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Oh, OK.

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I was a little too fast.

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Well, hello, everyone.

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My name is Juliet Simpson.

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I'm a researcher at NREL.

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I'm excited to be talking to
you about the modeling work

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that we've been doing.

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I know I've gotten a
lot of great feed-ins

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from earlier today.

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I will just start by noting that
this is geared a little bit more

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towards teaching people about
generally the modeling that

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happens for these systems and a
little bit less towards results.

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So if you're interested in
that, feel free to talk to me.

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And also, I'm going to
be talking about modeling

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for these systems within
the context of a model

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that we've been building
out on the Leg Up Project.

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But just know that there are
a lot of other models out

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there, each tailored to do
some slightly different things

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and a lot of great options.

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And I'm just doing this
within one context.

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So to get started, I'm
talking specifically today

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about techno economic modeling.

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And that involves
two components,

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if you're familiar
with it, as you

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might guess by the name,
the technical model

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and the economic model.

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And this is really
important because it

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allows us to think about
trade-offs between impacts

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to technical design, how
that impacts operation

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and performance of
a system, and then

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looking at the costs of
that, the economic impact.

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Now, why does all of this
modeling-- why does it matter?

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Why is it important?

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This really helps us to
answer a lot of questions

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without having to go
dig holes in the ground.

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We can start to think a little
more critically ahead of time

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before the design
and before the build.

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We can think about
what communities

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does a geothermal
network make sense in?

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Does it make sense to just
go for geothermal boreholes,

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or should we pull in some of
the other thermal resources

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that have been mentioned today?

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What kind of monthly
payment might

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be required from
customers, or what expected

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total cost might there be?

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There's lots of questions on
that side of the economics

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as well.

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So having something
that can help people

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start to think about the
finance side as well.

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And then after you build,
what would happen if you added

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one more house to the loop?

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Or what would
happen if you wanted

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to change a little bit
the performance set

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point for the temperatures
or the operation

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or the speeds of the loop?

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So being able to work with
some sort of modeling option,

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digital twin,
something that lets you

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change those parameters
before going out and impacting

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your customers in
the real world.

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A couple of components
that I'm then

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going to talk
through in a minute,

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both on the physical
system side, a lot

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of the major components that
we've already mentioned today,

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understanding your
building loads,

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knowing when they're
going to need heating

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and cooling throughout the
year and how much of it,

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understanding your opportunities
for thermal resources

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in an area, capturing the
distribution system correctly.

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That could include
knowing whether you

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want to go for a one-pipe
system or two pipes.

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How big is the pipe going to be?

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How much thermal
inertia is there

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in the water or
whatever working fluid

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you have moving in that pipe?

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How well are your heat
pumps going to perform?

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What's their coefficient
of performance look

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like with different
entering temperatures?

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And then something we've
discussed a little less today,

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the economic side.

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Estimating capital
costs, operating costs,

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maintenance is all
really difficult.

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It's something that we
certainly struggle with.

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But it's really important
to these systems.

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And then also thinking about
the finance plan, what's

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your cost recovery look like?

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Who is paying for it?

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It's probably going to
have a big impact on that.

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But that then has
an impact at the end

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of the day on what customer
payments look like as well.

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Now, we've tried to put
both halves of those models

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into something we're working
on at NREL called heat nets.

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This stands for Heat and
Economic Analysis Tool

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for Networked Thermal Systems.

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NREL has been building out this
tool in collaboration with HEET

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as part of the Leg Up Project.

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And so we're really excited
to have both halves of it up

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and running now.

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So we have this code that
is written in Python.

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It's intended to
long-term be open source,

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and we're working towards having
that being a public GitHub

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repository.

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The first half is the
physics-based model.

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That's a reduced order model,
as Isabel mentioned earlier.

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The idea there is that it's
a little bit more high level.

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It really builds on a lot of
other more detailed models

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to capture the energy flow
around the network and the use

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of electricity over time.

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The second model is
the economic model

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used to calculate economic
metrics of the system as well.

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So I'm going to give a little
bit of high-level information

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about both of those
models before talking

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about what kind of questions
we can answer with them.

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So first, on the
reduced order side,

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this is for capturing
the physics of what's

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actually happening on the loop.

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Where is heat moving over time?

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Where is water moving?

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How much electricity is being
used for that whole process?

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The major components
that we're capturing

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are shown here in
this simple diagram.

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But know that this is
showing one building when

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you might have 50.

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And these are just going
to be repeated over time.

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The main backbone of this model
is the ambient temperature loop.

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So a lot of the
modeling effort here

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goes into the
effort of capturing

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how does heat move
physically around this loop?

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How much thermal
inertia is in there?

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So if you dump in
some heat, how quickly

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is it going to
change temperature?

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And how quickly is that going to
then propagate around the loop

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and affect all of the customers?

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Then, plugging in and
exchanging heat with that,

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we have all of the buildings.

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So that requires doing
some building modeling,

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understanding their
loads over time,

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understanding how
the heat pumps are

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going to perform given
different entering temperatures

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from that main thermal loop.

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There's also all of your
thermal sources and sinks.

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So in this case, we're mostly
focused on borehole fields,

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but there could be
other ones as well.

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This modeling is being
done, like I mentioned,

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at a reduced order level.

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So we're relying
on collaborators

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who are doing some more detailed
modeling, including models

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that we're getting from
Lawrence Berkeley National Labs,

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to be able to look at what does
our borehole performance look

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like over time?

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And then, finally, having some
of central control station,

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being able to model
the circulation

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pumps to move the fluid around.

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In our models right
now, we always

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account for the option of an
auxiliary heating and cooling

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system.

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And that allows us to really
play with our temperature bounds

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and how many buildings
we have on the loop.

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And then having a control
decision architecture

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that determines how do all
of these pieces run together?

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Just as a quick example
of some of the outputs

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we can get from that, on
the left we're showing

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one that shows spatial trends.

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So as you move around the loop,
this is done in a straight line.

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We can imagine the end feeds
back into the beginning.

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This relates back to what
Isabel was saying earlier,

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that you see changes
in temperature

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as you move around the loop.

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And then you also see
things happen over time.

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So the one on the
right-hand side

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is showing every hour
throughout a year.

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How is heat being
exchanged with the loop?

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So in this case, we're showing
building loads and borehole

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loads in blue and green.

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And those are
generally opposite.

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So in the winter time buildings
take heat out of the loop,

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and the borehole
field puts heat in.

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We see the opposite
trend in the summertime.

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And then some additional
auxiliary heat

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in this model, and so
you could see maybe

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where those areas that you
might need some additional heat.

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And you can consider
trade-offs for.

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Is it worthwhile to have some
of electric boiler provide that

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or to drill more
boreholes/ And again,

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this comes down to
a lot of trade-offs.

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The other half of this
model is economic.

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I will warn you that this is the
side that I spend a little bit

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less time on at work, but
this takes in a lot of inputs

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from the physics-based model.

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So the physics-based
model will tell you

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how much electricity are all
the components using over time?

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Also, what were the design
specs you chose for the system/

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And then you have to give it
some additional information.

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So what financial assumptions
are you putting in?

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How much of this
project, how much

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is financed with debt,
how much is upfront?

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What kind of assumptions
are you making on incentives

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you might received?

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That all comes together
into a variety of outputs

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that we can look at.

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One that we're particularly
excited about right

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now is something
we're calling LCOx.

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This builds off of the
standard levelized cost

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of energy equation.

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But here we're allowing for
pulling in multiple energy

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flows.

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So it's no longer just energy.

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Our costs are including
both capital costs

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and the cost of the electricity
to operate the system.

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And then our thing that
we're producing in this case

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is heating and
cooling to buildings.

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Right now we're looking at that
as just the absolute values

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of them, how much total help are
you putting into these buildings

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to maintain their climate?

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So heat and cool are equally
valued at the moment.

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And we can then get more
granular with those outputs

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as well.

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So just an example of something
that you could look at,

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this is just using, not random
numbers, but example numbers

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for some example building.

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You could start to look at
how much energy consumption do

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you expect throughout a year.

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How does that then
trickle down into what

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might that user, depending on
what cost recovery is being

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used, what might their
monthly bill payment

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look like, things like that.

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So now we can start to go all
the way from design decisions

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down to monthly bills
for individual homes.

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So just to wrap up
that this idea showing

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how the data flows altogether,
we have first this reduced order

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model.

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This is physics-based.

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We have a lot of different
inputs that come into this.

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It really relies on high-level
modeling done elsewhere

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that all can come together.

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A major output from that is
the time series electricity

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consumption.

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There are some other
inputs that we're

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going to need to get
to the economic model.

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So we start to have to
think about component costs,

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estimating those, knowing what
our financial assumptions are,

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and then eventually feeding
that all into an economic model

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where we can get outputs
like that LCOx value I was

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mentioning, also net present
value, internal rate of return,

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and something we're calling
thermal energy price.

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And then you get to
answer the fun questions.

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So this is what we're
really here for.

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We build out all
of this modeling

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so that we can start to
answer interesting questions.

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So I have two quick
examples here to wrap up.

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The first is what if you changed
the minimum loop temperature/

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So in this case, we're assuming
with the way our control system

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that we've built is set up, you
have to decide when do the pumps

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ramp up?

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When does the borehole get used?

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When does auxiliary
heat turn on in order

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to maintain some
minimum temperature?

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In this case study
that we did, we

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found that as you increase
that minimum loop temperature,

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the cost to the utility
goes up greatly.

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This makes sense.

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They're having to work really
hard to maintain a higher

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temperature.

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But the cost to the
consumer goes down slightly

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because their heat pump is
working more efficiently now.

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So you see this trade-off
here, well in this case,

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we're talking about
annual electricity costs,

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not considering capital
cost that goes into that.

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But we have to think
about how benefits

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are shared to all
parties involved

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in a geothermal network.

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And as one final
example, you can also

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think about what happens as you
change the number and location

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of boreholes around the loop.

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And here, we see
that if you just

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think about electricity
system costs,

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electricity usage,
more boreholes

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means less energy
is used in this case

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because we're not needing any
of auxiliary electric boiler.

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But you have to
consider that weighed

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against economic impacts.

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So how much did they cost?

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Was that cost worth it/ What's
your trade-off look like there/

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So thank you all for listening
to me talk about modeling.

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I think that modeling
can really help

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us to answer a lot
of key questions

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as we move forward with building
out geothermal networks.

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One model that we're
excited about for it

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is heat nets, which I've talked
through some examples of today.

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But again, a lot of great
modeling going on in the space

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that we're excited for.

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But we're looking forward
to the opportunity

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to think about the
analysis of how

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these design and
operational decisions

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impact both performance and
economics of these systems.

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So thank you.

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[APPLAUSE]

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