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NICK FRY: All right.

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Thank you, Cary.

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So next up we have Mark.

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MARK METZNER: Hello.

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I've got--

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NICK FRY: Oh yeah.

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MARK METZNER: I'm wired.

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I need that though.

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Good afternoon.

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And the last session
of the day, so I'll

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be quick because everybody
wants to get out of here, right?

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Pardon me?

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AUDIENCE: I have a hook.

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MARK METZNER: Excellent.

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Please use it.

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I'm going to do
a brief overview.

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This has been looked
at, obviously,

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a number of times over
the last two days.

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But this is a milestone
project in the USA any way

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you look at it.

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Again, it's Eversource
Energy, the owner of it.

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Single-pipe system, ambient
loop, mild distribution, 37

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or 38 buildings.

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I thought I heard an extra
building somehow got attached.

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I'm not quite sure
how that worked.

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That's fine.

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There's commercial
buildings, and there's

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residential buildings.

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So your upside there is
you've got good diversity.

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They're all single-family homes.

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A district loop would
not have made sense.

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So site selection
was very important.

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It made sense for the
residents as well as the system

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itself and the owner.

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90 vertical and
angled boreholes.

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So I think everyone knows that
there was two configurations.

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Two borefields were
vertical, and then there

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was another borefield that's
kind of two borefields that

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are angled.

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So the verticals were
600 feet in depth,

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and the angles were 720 feet,
approximately, with quad loops.

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Quad loops, what I mean is
two U-bends in each borehole.

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What I thought was very
interesting, and looking

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at what was I going
to be talking about,

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is you have some very
interesting dynamics at play

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here.

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It's a unique coming together,
if you think about it.

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Credit to Zeyneb, HEET,
being able to pursue

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this over all this time,
and convincing a natural gas

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utility that theoretically
can't sell any gas.

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It's kind of an interesting
concept when you think about it.

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I thought it was just
absolutely amazing because it's

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a successful project.

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And you had two really
very disparate entities

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coming together.

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And what I did want to do
is have a bit of an applause

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for Zeyneb and her team, because
I don't think anyone's really

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recognized what they did.

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It was incredible.

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[APPLAUSE]

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When you get into
some of the weeds--

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and I won't go too
far because I know--

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How many minutes do I
have left? because I

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was overtime last time.

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I'm good.

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All right.

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There's a lot that goes into it.

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I mean, it's not simply a matter
of sketching out a few drawings,

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writing up a couple paragraphs,
and we're off to the races.

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There was over 1,200
pages of detailed design.

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It's the nuts and
bolts, making it work.

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And you got to hammer
out the details,

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otherwise you have an
unsuccessful project.

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So approximately 37
detailed drawings.

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I looked at it again,
and it's actually more

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because there are
subsets of drawings.

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That said, there was
about 37 main ones.

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You go through the
process once you

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get into construction of
clarification questions

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and submissions and approvals.

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And it's not a straight
path to success.

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There's back and forth.

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There's going to be--

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let's be really candid.

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There's going to be
arguments because that's

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the nature of the beast.

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You should be doing that.

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No, I'm doing this.

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And sometimes there's not
clarity in the written

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specification.

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As much as you want to do
it, you can't take everything

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into consideration.

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That's kind of life.

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Some of the changes--

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and I was exposed to
it during the process.

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And again, I'm not trying
to beat up here on anything,

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and I want everyone
just to realize

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what some of the challenges
were during the process.

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So initially, the
borefields, the three of them

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were all in a vertical
configuration.

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There was a change made into
the angled boreholes in one

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of the three bore fields.

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That in and of itself causes
some issues understanding,

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Will the angled borefield with
now quad loops, as opposed

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to single U-bends, perform
to the level required

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for the system to
operate properly

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and support the building
loads anticipated?

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So you can probably
imagine there

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was a lot of back and forth.

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What's going on with
these angled boreholes?

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We had to remodel
this, remodel that.

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It's not simple as,
OK, we're just going

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to start angling them out.

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It doesn't work that way.

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Again, the single U-bend
versus the quad loop,

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you're looking, What
is the capacity?

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Is there an increase?

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And if so, what's the
impact on the total system?

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Those have all got
to be calculated.

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And again, this is something
that doesn't happen quickly.

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There's a lot of back and forth.

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There's a whole hierarchy of, I
have a question as an engineer--

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I'm not an engineer, but
from an engineering firm--

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over to the owner, Eversource,
back down to a contractor.

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There's a whole system
of checks and balances

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that's also meaning
time consumption.

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An interesting
change that happened

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is the North America
compliant collection vaults.

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Does everyone know what I
mean by a collection vault,

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or am I talking Greek here?

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That's where we have
a bunch of boreholes

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that come into a
collection point,

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and that box, if you like--
and it's usually made

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from high-density polyethylene.

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There are concrete
boxes as well.

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They are subterranean.

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They're buried.

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And then from there, you
have a supply and return

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going in over to the
pump house in this case.

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There was a change made between
the North American compliant

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vaults and what was put in on
the angled borehole vaults,

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a European spec.

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On the face of it, you
go, What's the difference?

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There is.

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You end up with different pipe
sizes between a European spec,

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which is a DIN spec, versus a
North American spec, which is,

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in this particular case, we use
IPS, which is Iron Pipe Size.

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Getting those two to
marry up, sounds easy.

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It's not.

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And it ends up being a potential
area of concern into the future.

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The other last point
on changes and impact,

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those angled boreholes now
were going under wetlands.

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Before they weren't.

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So there's a whole
regulatory process

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that has to be adhered to,
applications, approvals,

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et cetera.

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So back to what Nickki Bruno was
saying yesterday, this started--

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and Zeyn, correct
me if I'm wrong--

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2019 is when things
really got moving.

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AUDIENCE: The initial
proposal was in the fall 2019

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to the Department
of Public Utility

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MARK METZNER: Until today.

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So you can imagine
one more step that's

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going to unfortunately delay
things or potentially delay

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things.

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And that's the whole
communication component that's

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vital between all parties.

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And is it smooth?

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Is it confrontational?

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These are all things you have
to look at when you're doing

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a large project like this.

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You've seen the picture.

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That's what the angled
boreholes look like.

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It's a proven technology and
makes a whole lot of sense.

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You're having a very small
footprint up top at surface.

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And then those
boreholes splay out

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and you have the separation
between the boreholes,

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so you're not having thermal
interference between them.

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It allows at the surface to
have less impact, if you like.

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You're not taking
up as much room.

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In this particular
case, the project

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didn't have to redo the
whole parking lot and repave.

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They had a smaller area.

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Some of the areas, and
they're a little hard to see,

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but this is the one--

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I'm just going to point, it out.

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And you've probably
seen this picture

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here, as well as up there.

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Those are the European vaults
that I was talking about.

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They are substantially different
from a North American vault.

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That's an area of
concern moving forward,

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I'm going to pick on you, Brock.

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Those pipes, your best guess,
is it a good idea or a bad idea?

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On the left.

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As far as--

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AUDIENCE: Sounds like a trap.

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MARK METZNER: [LAUGHS] Boing.

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In comparison to
a regular vault.

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AUDIENCE: Yeah.

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It's unconventional for
what I'm used to seeing,

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just the way it's laid out.

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MARK METZNER: Yep.

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OK.

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And that's the basic consensus.

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People looked at this
picture and went, wow,

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there's some potential
concerns down the road.

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The picture on
the right is where

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those boreholes, where you
can see them coming up here.

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These ones here.

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They're all like that.

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They get tied together.

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The problem with
air-- not problem.

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The issue, the
concern, is if you

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look at the pipe on the right,
you can see some of those

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are basically being compressed.

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That shouldn't be happening
for a long-term reliability

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because ultimately,
this gets backfilled,

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gets paved, and then
you can potentially--

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this is a parking lot--
have big trucks on top

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pushing down, pushing down.

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So it's an area of
concern that, again,

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in retrospect, may have
been addressed differently.

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That's the vault.

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They're used in
Europe all the time.

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There's nothing wrong with them.

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They're just not North
America compliant.

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They have components inside,
particularly PCV plastic.

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If anyone was here this morning,
the standard in North America

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says you're not using PVC in
these systems, subterranean.

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So that's below the wetlands.

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It's not a huge issue so long
as you get the proper approvals.

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The wetlands are an area
of concern for everybody.

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And you have to make sure you're
dotting Is and crossing Ts.

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Again, just the quick takeaways.

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Communication is key.

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I mean, I know we've
heard that repetitively.

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It came to the forefront.

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And this one in particular,
when changes happened.

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And they were somewhat
unconventional.

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We'll leave it at that.

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That change from the single
U-bend to the double U-bend,

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again, adds some complexity
to the whole issue.

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And from a modeling and
performance point of view,

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required a lot of redoing.

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And then the materials used are
not North American compliant.

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Not that's the end of the world.

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It's just to be recognized.

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And that's it.

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oh, good.

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I didn't go overtime.

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I'm zero minutes.

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Perfect.

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[APPLAUSE]

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